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| 01:16 | chris_n2 | @wunder 28334 |
| 01:18 | * chris_n2 | looks around for munin |
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| 04:24 | Amit | heya pianohacker |
| 04:25 | pianohacker | Hi Amit |
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| 06:45 | kmkale | Good afternoon |
| 07:02 | magnus | good morning! ;-) |
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| 08:01 | pianohacker | good night |
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| 08:19 | Amit | heya kmkale |
| 08:30 | kmkale | HI amit |
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| 09:00 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 09:08 | jransom | hi all |
| 09:09 | do we have Koha meetings in early June? | |
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| 09:31 | magnus | jransom: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ting,_June_2_2010 |
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| 09:34 | jransom | Thank you :) |
| 09:34 | I couldn't find it onthe koha-community calendar | |
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| 09:39 | magnus | looks like there is no handover meeting scheduled: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-05-04#i_433675 |
| 09:41 | * magnus | ponders better ways to name the meetings, so http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]gory:IRC_Meetings could make more sense |
| 09:42 | magnus | jransom: yep, looks like it needs to be added to the calendar |
| 09:44 | jransom | yeah no community meeting planned |
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| 10:34 | chris | theres the general meeting |
| 10:35 | no really anything to talk about in the handover meeting that cant be handled in the general meeting | |
| 10:36 | jransom | i was talking with magnus along the same lines |
| 10:36 | did you see how many we updated today? | |
| 10:40 | magnus | just curious: what are you updating? ;-) |
| 10:41 | jransom | we are reregistering our borrwers - updating the borrowers database and issuing new cards |
| 10:42 | and its insanely busy - like 5 fulltime staff reregistering all day, queues of people, | |
| 10:42 | and they all want to chat and look at the new site | |
| 10:42 | so its useful and fun and important but killing us staffing wise. | |
| 10:43 | chris | 503 today |
| 10:43 | jransom | since are a 15 FTE orgs over 3 sites, hence why 3 on desk and 5 registering at 1 branch alone is nt sustainable |
| 10:43 | cool :) | |
| 10:43 | heaps more than yesterday | |
| 10:44 | i'm still editing data from yesterday -havnt started on todays but I am hoping after the growling they all got this morning that it will be heaps better quality | |
| 10:44 | chris | :) |
| 10:44 | magnus | that traffic probably wont last for ever, though? ;-) |
| 10:45 | jransom | no |
| 10:45 | but we havnt really started advertising yet either | |
| 10:45 | we hope to get 20,000 dne over next 3 months | |
| 10:55 | magnus | that's a lot of people |
| 10:56 | chris | close to 30k in the db at the mo |
| 10:56 | was closer to 40 before we did a clean out in the upgrade | |
| 10:57 | so i reckon will be somewhere round 35ish after the reregistrations | |
| 10:57 | thats my guesstimate | |
| 10:58 | magnus | and koha is holding up under the pressure, of course? |
| 10:58 | chris | its mostly typing, it doesnt really touch koha much at all |
| 11:02 | magnus | which is good of course - a bad design might have meant lots of stress on the system from that level of activity... |
| 11:03 | chris | well thats pretty low activity really :) |
| 11:04 | did 1514 issues and 1607 returns at the same time | |
| 11:11 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 11:11 | chris | no munin |
| 11:12 | gmcharlt | yep, trying to figure out what happened to it |
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| 11:13 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 11:13 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #49: "wizzyrea: KOHAKONG: Stomping all other ILS's" (added by a user that is no longer registered at 11:20 AM, December 22, 2009) |
| 11:15 | gmcharlt | chris: in case you haven't seen already, check your IRC logs; somebody was asking last Friday or so about working on fastcgi |
| 11:15 | jransom | all went well until half the town lost power |
| 11:16 | hi galen :) | |
| 11:16 | chris | gmcharlt: ah yep, ive kinda moved on to plack now |
| 11:16 | gmcharlt | enh request: supply spot power generator with each Koha database |
| 11:16 | hi jransom | |
| 11:16 | congratulations on your go-live, btw | |
| 11:17 | chris | oh i meant to ask, did the reporter guy do an article btw? |
| 11:18 | jransom | not yet but he will |
| 11:18 | but ... | |
| 11:19 | chris | ah thats right, its only published once a week now eh? |
| 11:19 | jransom | the dominion post may be doing an article for the weekend magazine insert about HLT and how we are doing things differently, and compare it to wgtn and tauranga and the other high profile libraries who have been told to save money / raise money. |
| 11:19 | chris | ohhh nice |
| 11:19 | jransom | so that will have to be played very carefully to not get wgtn feeling cornered |
| 11:20 | chris | i had to be politic talking to him, cos the chronicle is an apn paper :) |
| 11:20 | didnt tell him i work on stuff :) | |
| 11:20 | jransom | fair enough |
| 11:21 | chris | you're in pittsburgh gmcharlt ? whereabouts are you staying? |
| 11:21 | gmcharlt | in the Oakland area, AKA the U of Pitt district |
| 11:21 | chris | yep, i know the area |
| 11:22 | its near cmu too | |
| 11:22 | gmcharlt | yup |
| 11:23 | chris | if you get a chance the art museum is really really cool |
| 11:24 | i liked the natural history one too, but i like museums in general :) | |
| 11:24 | gmcharlt | :) |
| 11:25 | I've been there several times; I like the cathedral of learning | |
| 11:26 | chris | west view is way out of your way, but thats where laurel is from, and they have a great diner there, islays |
| 11:26 | isaly even | |
| 11:29 | http://www.pittsburghcitypaper[…]ent?oid=oid:19667 | |
| 11:29 | its like a step back in time | |
| 11:31 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=2535 <-- isalys full of nzers :) | |
| 11:31 | gmcharlt | diners++ |
| 11:33 | anyway, off to work | |
| 11:34 | chris | good luck, hope it all goes well |
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| 11:59 | jransom | rights me - good night all |
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| 12:06 | * jdavidb | says, "harrrumph!" and flops into his chair. |
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| 12:09 | * jwagner | doesn't have the energy to harrumph.... |
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| 12:13 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 12:14 | Did everyone get lots of work done with no 'muricans around yesterday? | |
| 12:14 | jwagner | morning, owen |
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| 12:53 | francharb | hello all |
| 12:54 | is there anyone who already used the HOLD_PRINT notice? | |
| 12:54 | I can't find where to use it... | |
| 12:56 | if by any chance you find out, just let me know, thanks! | |
| 12:56 | :) | |
| 12:56 | jwagner | francharb, see But 3482 -- you need a HOLD_PRINT notice file & a cron job |
| 12:56 | Bug 3482 even | |
| 12:56 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses |
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| 12:57 | francharb | great! thanks jwagner!! |
| 12:58 | i check this out! | |
| 12:59 | jwagner | Note that there was a later bug from the work BibLibre did expanding the print notices; I think a patch has been pushed for that so if you're up to date you should be OK. |
| 13:00 | francharb | ok thanks |
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| 13:04 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 13:04 | owen | Hi chris_n |
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| 13:48 | reva | Hi We are the Antigua and Barbuda Bureau of Standards. We tested the staff client demos of Koha (Express and the one profiled for public libraries) at the liblime site. We run Windows XP workstations on a Peer Group Lan Ethernet enabled topology. What is the latest version of stable and free version of Koha for Windows? |
| 13:49 | Is the z 39.50 search and import function working with this version on the Windows install? | |
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| 13:52 | reva | Anyone able to respond to my above query on Koha Library Management System? |
| 13:53 | magnus | reva: i'm trying to find something recent on koha and windows... |
| 13:53 | sekjal | reva: are you looking to install Koha on a Windows server, or just access it from Windows machines? |
| 13:54 | reva | just on work station console, but making it our "server". |
| 13:54 | Thanks for answering:). | |
| 13:55 | magnus | of course: koha is 100% web based, so you could run it on a linux server (or a virtual linux server on a windows host) and access everything you need through a browser (preferably Firefox for the staff functions) on any client |
| 13:55 | jwagner is now known as jwagner_meeting | |
| 13:56 | reva | I am not familiar with linux install and configure and of course, virtualization will be very new to us here. We have Windows xp workstation, and they are Ethernet connected. |
| 13:57 | owen | I wonder if anyone is using Koha in production with a VM setup? |
| 13:57 | magnus | i think this is a very detailed, techy status of Koha on windows: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/StrawberryPerl |
| 13:58 | owen: i run mine on slicehost - that's vm, but i don't own the hardware | |
| 13:58 | jdavidb | owen: Aside from cloud virtualization, we're not. Got a bunch of test servers in VMs, but no production. |
| 13:58 | reva | So thinking of dedicating one of the workstation consoles as a server and installing Koha, MySQL, and Apache on it as the documents and instruction pages on the web site says. |
| 13:58 | owen | reva: Setting up Koha on Windows via a virtual machine is not too difficult |
| 13:58 | jcamins | owen: We are. |
| 13:58 | It's not pretty. | |
| 13:59 | owen | jcamins: :( |
| 13:59 | jcamins | We are going to be outsourcing our catalog very soon. |
| 13:59 | owen | jcamins: Too slow? What's not pretty about it? |
| 14:00 | jcamins | The major problem is that our host machine (a Mac) doesn't like VirtualBox, so every day or so, it crashes hard. |
| 14:00 | reva | I will check out the link, Magnus. Ok how would I go about setting it up? I have someone who may be able to help me. |
| 14:00 | wizzyrea | well I probably wouldn't do a production install in a VM |
| 14:00 | jcamins | The other problem is that we ran out of space, several times, but that could happen if you only had a 5gig drive on a physical server, too. |
| 14:00 | wizzyrea | uh, yea |
| 14:00 | that would do it | |
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| 14:01 | magnus | reva: i think you should get in touch with chris - but he's in nz - he'll probably be here in 4-5 hours |
| 14:01 | owen | wizzyrea: I just wondered if there is any size collection that would be small enough to recommend it as a possibility |
| 14:01 | reva | Ok first off, the ABBS (that is our Bureau of Standards here) can only go in for Open Source. Isn't VMbox proprietary? |
| 14:01 | jdavidb | we've got some VMWare virtualization going on, and our big problem is that at near-peak loads, all the VMs on a box are a leetle bit sensitive to what's going on with the busiest one. (when the ArchivalWare devs do something, it slows our box, and vice versa.) |
| 14:02 | jcamins | If you limited yourself to one virtual machine, I don't see why it wouldn't work (we have an internal VM, which is copied to the external VM every few weeks), provided you can avoid the whole "host machine crashing hard" issue. |
| 14:02 | And plan ahead for space requirements. | |
| 14:02 | VirtualBox is open source, I think. | |
| 14:02 | reva | Ok, Magnus. i will try again in a few hours to see if Chris is logged on. |
| 14:03 | owen | reva: http://www.virtualbox.org/ |
| 14:03 | magnus | reva: i *think* he's the one who knows the most about koha on windows |
| 14:03 | owen | No, chris isn't the one to ask about Koha on Windows |
| 14:03 | reva | Another thing, at this point I am not even clear about which is the latest version of Open Source Koha. Is it 3.2 or 3.0.6? |
| 14:04 | magnus | owen: oops? |
| 14:04 | reva: 3.0.6 is the latest *stable* release | |
| 14:04 | owen | chris_n I think is the one who was working with Strawberry Perl |
| 14:05 | reva | Owen, the Koha community newsletter had an article on 3.2 alpha release on May 4th. But their download site says the latest community supported version is 3.0.6. So we are confused. |
| 14:05 | owen | reva: the "alpha" means it is not stable yet |
| 14:06 | reva | Thanks Magnus for that 3.0.6 clarification. |
| 14:06 | owen | 3.0.6 is the latest *stable* version |
| 14:06 | magnus | oops - my eyes slipped on the revision history in the wiki: http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]rl&action=history sorry, reva: chris_n is the guy you want |
| 14:06 | reva | Oh, I did not know that that was what alpha meant. |
| 14:07 | magnus | but then, HLT have just gone live on alpha... http://koha-community.org/horo[…]nched-3-2-alpha2/ |
| 14:08 | reva | Ok, I will contact chris_n, Magnus. When is he likely to be around in the chatroom? |
| 14:08 | magnus | i would go for the 3.2 alpha 2 version, but that's just me... |
| 14:08 | reva: he was here about an hour ago, probably just busy with something else | |
| 14:09 | reva | Lots of good leads in those links you have provided, Magnus. I never receive any responses from either Koha community contact page (filled out form twice) or their win32 forum. |
| 14:10 | owen | reva: "Koha community contact page?" |
| 14:10 | Where do you mean? | |
| 14:11 | reva | Do you know whether it has Windows release? And is the Z39.50 search and import working (in either 3.0.6 or the alpha 3.2)? |
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| 14:13 | owen | reva: Were you submitting this form? http://koha.org/contact-info |
| 14:13 | magnus | or this one? http://koha-community.org/get-involved/ |
| 14:13 | reva | I meant the Koha.org contact page, not the koha-community.org page. But I registered at the Koha-community.org about a week ago so I can ask questions. But the server is yet to send me a link to click on! |
| 14:13 | owen | I can't imagine the owners of koha.org answer support requests via their contact form |
| 14:14 | (nor should they, since there is a mailing list and an IRC channel) | |
| 14:14 | reva | Yeah, magnus., that is the link (http://koha.org/contact-info) I filled out form and submitted two times but no one has responded. |
| 14:15 | magnus | i too tried to register at http://koha-community.org/ today, but i have not gotten the confirmation email (and it's not in spam either) |
| 14:16 | owen | wizzyrea: Have you ever gotten a submission from the "for library users" form? |
| 14:17 | reva | Wizzyrea, I am not sure where I would find "for library users" form. I have filled out a few forms by now, so I am a little confused:). |
| 14:17 | owen | reva: My question was directed at wizzyrea |
| 14:19 | reva | I check the spam, no it is not there either for me. The funny thing is when I tried to re-register, it would not allow me the same name as that was already reserved for another user. So something wrong that it knows there is a registration under that name, but did not send any confirmation link to the email address. |
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| 14:21 | reva | sorry, Maguns, mistook it for me, getting cross-eyed looking at the chat screen name tags:) |
| 14:22 | wizzyrea | 1. there is no request help form on k-c.org |
| 14:23 | I think reva is talking about koha.org. | |
| 14:23 | and no one answers requests from koha.org anymore | |
| 14:23 | that I know of | |
| 14:23 | owen | I wonder if anyone ever answered support questions submitted to koha.org? |
| 14:23 | wizzyrea | no clue |
| 14:25 | magnus: sometimes the k-c.org emails get tagged as spam | |
| 14:25 | :( | |
| 14:25 | and sometimes rejected altogether | |
| 14:26 | reva | Not only that, someone out there administering the listserv for koha for win32 needs to check their server. There are only archives (though there are posts from May 2010), but no place to post anything. I emailed the general address given and have not heard yet.So I wait for chris_n to get some clarifications? |
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| 14:27 | magnus | wizzyrea: i'm using Gmail, and it's not in the spam folder (unless it's cleverly disguised with a subject like "OFFICIAL WINNING NOTIFICATION!!!" or something like that ;-) |
| 14:27 | reva | I searched my spam box using koha as the keyword. Maybe suggest some other keyword? |
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| 14:27 | libtek | Good morning. |
| 14:28 | owen | reva: Did you sign up for the mailing list here? http://lists.koha-community.or[…]stinfo/koha-win32 |
| 14:28 | reva | maguns, that was funny. my gmail spam box did not have anything but winning lottery numbers either:). |
| 14:29 | magnus | hehe - the spam-folder is truly a treasure trove... |
| 14:29 | * owen | wonders how to get a record's biblionumber into the XSL view |
| 14:29 | reva | owen, that is the one I signed up for. But there is no response to the all member query I emailed. Nor can I find it in the archive as unanswered. I am not sure I know the protocol for list servs; I am more of a forum person. |
| 14:30 | libtek | I'm about to report what appears to be a bug. I have 3.00.06, and the holds over tab in the Holds Awaiting Pickup section of circulation appears to be broken. The tab is there, but when I click on it, the page displays an error in the status bar, and the page never displays. |
| 14:31 | owen | It doesn't look like anyone is answering questions on the koha-win32 mailing list. |
| 14:32 | reva | At our Bureau we do not circulate material. We are mainly interested for now in the Cataloging module and the OPAC. Ours is a small library and mostly we fetch standards for industry patrons for "a small fee". |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | magnus what username did you try to register with? You can msg me if you want |
| 14:32 | libtek | IE8 shows the error. Firefox 3.6.3 doesn't even acknowledge a problem. It does not do anything. |
| 14:33 | reva | So open source means you are left out in the open, casting about for answers? |
| 14:33 | libtek | Does anyone else see this issue? |
| 14:33 | reva | I used reva |
| 14:33 | owen | reva: There are no promises of support. But many people generously give it |
| 14:33 | magnus | wizzyrea: magnusenger |
| 14:33 | owen | libtek: What's the error? |
| 14:34 | reva | FF has its own issued now, with crashes even when only a couple of tabs are open. I think there is some incompatibility with Java 6.20 |
| 14:35 | libtek | owen: I'd paste the error details, but the paste.workbuffer.org is down. Just a sec... |
| 14:35 | reva | sorry, i answered what was meant for someone else, yet again. |
| 14:37 | chris_n | heya reva |
| 14:37 | reva | Ok thanks everyone; I will definitely follow the links and see where I get. If anyone knows that 3.2. is available for windows install, please let me know; i will stay logged on. |
| 14:37 | chris_n | are you looking for the status of koha on win32 + strawberry? |
| 14:37 | libtek | owen: Exception thrown and not caught / ui.tabs.js / Code: 0 / URI:http//10.100.30.53:8080/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/ui.tabs.js |
| 14:38 | reva | Hi chris_n. I am looking for help and was told you are the man. |
| 14:38 | libtek | Line 324 Char: 21 |
| 14:38 | wizzyrea | 3.2 is not yet ported to win32 |
| 14:38 | chris_n | reva: using the latest strawberry release, you should be able to install koha, however |
| 14:38 | it is very unstable atm | |
| 14:38 | reva | Yes; but you will have to start with what strawberry is. |
| 14:38 | libtek | I didn't see this in the bugs, so I am going to report it. |
| 14:38 | chris_n | there are additional coding changes that will have to be worked through |
| 14:39 | reva | Ok, that means I will have to go with 3.0.6, correct? |
| 14:39 | chris_n | reva: the same issue will exist for all versions 3.x.x |
| 14:39 | * chris_n | actually has koha running on an xp machine at home |
| 14:39 | chris_n | but as I say, some things remain very broken atm |
| 14:40 | mason | reva: if you *really* gotta use windows, go with a virtualbox, or vmplayer setup |
| 14:40 | chris_n | reva: mason is right for now |
| 14:40 | reva | chris_n, so I will have to go with 2.x.x version that is stable for windows install? |
| 14:40 | chris_n | reva: if you want a native install, yes |
| 14:40 | but I highly recommend against it | |
| 14:41 | as 2.x is *very* old | |
| 14:41 | reva | so what virtualization software is free? |
| 14:41 | owen | reva: And as you can see from the koha_win32 mailing list, you won't be able to get help with it through the normal channels |
| 14:41 | chris_n | iirc there are some virtualbox images of koha which are ready to go out of the box |
| 14:41 | reva: yes | |
| 14:42 | mason | start with the vmplayer one, of kyle's... |
| 14:43 | * chris_n | plans on getting back to work on koha win32 fixes sometime |
| 14:44 | reva | chris_n so that means I install the vmplayer first, before I install Koha? |
| 14:44 | mason | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]9-May/018652.html |
| 14:44 | chris_n | reva: I'm not 100% sure, but I think so |
| 14:44 | mason | http://kylehall.info/index.php[…]irtual-appliance/ |
| 14:44 | owen | libtek: I think I see where the bug is in the template |
| 14:45 | reva | chris_n Ok, I will read up on the vmplayer site. Could you kind of describe to me what it does? |
| 14:45 | mason | reva: spend your time learning to setup koha3-stable on ubuntu, *not* windows ;) |
| 14:46 | libtek | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]lla3/post_bug.cgi |
| 14:46 | http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4843 | |
| 14:46 | munin | 04Bug 4843: critical, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Hold Over tab broken |
| 14:47 | mason | unless you are an expert with windows-VMs, or setting up a native windows LAMP setup, you will have much problems |
| 14:47 | reva | chris_n Ok, I will read up on the vmplayer site. Could you kind of describe to me what it does? and we are going to "dedicate" one console to act as server. So can I have dual OS (the XP and the Ubuntu on it) and go like that? |
| 14:47 | mason | and only chris_n here has a windows-koha install, to help you |
| 14:48 | chris_n | reva: I do not use vmplayer and so am unfamiliar with the details of it |
| 14:48 | you should be able to run the images mason pointed you to with it, however | |
| 14:49 | and that on win32 | |
| 14:49 | mason | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VMware_Player |
| 14:49 | reva | mason I see you are the one advising against the VM set up. But is ubuntu easy to install and configure for a commerical off the shelf install expert like me:) |
| 14:49 | owen | libtek: I could send you a revised version of the template to test. I don't have a 3.0.x install |
| 14:50 | mason | trust me, you'll have windows specific problems, that know one here has any experience to help you with ;) |
| 14:52 | reva | chris_n; I will follow the links provided by mason. |
| 14:53 | libtek | owen: sure, if you can guide me on how to apply it. I've never done anything like this before. |
| 14:54 | owen | libtek: I went ahead and attached the full revised template (not a patch) to the bug report |
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| 14:54 | CGI039 | Are the patron categories modifiable? |
| 14:54 | owen | If you want to test, save that file in place of your existing copy of waitingreserves.tmpl (keep a backup of course) |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | CGI039: yep. |
| 14:54 | mason | reva: http://git.koha-community.org/[…];f=INSTALL.ubuntu |
| 14:55 | ubuntu install guide | |
| 14:55 | reva | mason, chris_n if I install vmplayer do I need to have ubuntu as my os necessarily? |
| 14:55 | owen | CGI039: The "super-categories" are not modifiable, but the sub-categories are |
| 14:55 | mason | reva: no - vmplayer clients for both |
| 14:56 | CGI039 | Please give an example of the "super categories" |
| 14:56 | reva | mason, thanks, that is one few new configurations to learn. I am new to open source and vmplayer, etc. but I am getting a little confidence now. |
| 14:56 | libtek | owen: I'm not sure how to get the file onto the ubuntu server yet. I've only done an install from CD and downloaded installs per install instructions. |
| 14:57 | owen | CGI039: Have you been to the "patron types and categories" page in Administration? |
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| 14:57 | CGI039 | Not yet..but I've screen screenshots..So far, I've seen "Adult" "Child" |
| 14:58 | Are these the supercategories..The reason i ask is because our library doesn't have many categories... | |
| 14:58 | Just student, staff, faculty and guest.. | |
| 14:59 | reva | Thanks chris_n, mason, owen and magnus for all the help and links provided. I have my work cut out for me for this week. Bye for now. |
| 14:59 | CGI039 | Excuse me I've seen screen shots.. |
| 14:59 | owen | CGI039: You'll be able to configure your categories just fine I think |
| 14:59 | magnus | bye reva, and welcome back |
| 15:00 | mason | bug 4239 |
| 15:00 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4239 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Allow holds on multiple items of selected titles |
| 15:01 | reva | Thanks chris_n from super sunny Antigua, one of the Leeward islands in the Lesser Antilles, in short in the Caribbean:). |
| 15:02 | chris_n | reva: sounds like a nice place to be :) |
| 15:05 | * owen | signs up for the Koha-installation strike team helicopter-bound for Antigua |
| 15:06 | CGI039 | thanx |
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| 15:07 | * chris_n | can be persuaded to join as well if they serve some of their excellent coffee |
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| 15:08 | * jwagner | will go too, if the trip can be on cruise ship instead of helicopter :-) |
| 15:08 | owen | Aw, man... |
| 15:08 | Next you'll be telling me you won't parachute in! | |
| 15:09 | * jwagner | LIKES cruise ships :-) |
| 15:10 | wizzyrea | it's not a strike team if there are no parachutes |
| 15:11 | so you can be part of the "leisurely arriving koha helper people" that come on the cruise ship, and arrive very relaxed. | |
| 15:11 | owen | wizzyrea: If you want to join our strike team you can choose which A-Team member you want to play |
| 15:11 | jcamins | What about submarines? Submarines don't have parachutes, and they can be part of a strike team. |
| 15:12 | * jwagner | sees my role as more of a support one -- logistics via cruise ship will work. |
| 15:13 | wizzyrea | ooh! |
| 15:14 | chris_n | jwagner can be part of the JFO |
| 15:15 | * wizzyrea | can't even remember who all of the A Team members are, but is motivated by getting to hum the theme song. |
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| 15:16 | owen | Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L[…]A-Team_characters |
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| 15:20 | wizzyrea | owen: take a look at http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library any other tips you'd like to add (i'm about to add a few of my mods in there) |
| 15:23 | jdavidb | hi, cait! :) |
| 15:23 | owen | wizzyrea: Will do. |
| 15:24 | * jwagner | gets ready for another meeting but would prefer to get ready for a cruise :-( |
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| 15:28 | cait | hi jdavidb :) |
| 15:31 | libtek | owen: how do I get the patch? I'm out of my element on this one. |
| 15:31 | owen | libtek: Do you know where Koha is intalled on your machine? |
| 15:31 | libtek | owen: or replacement file, I should say. |
| 15:32 | yes | |
| 15:32 | owen | And can you find the existing waitingreserves.tmpl file in your installation? |
| 15:35 | libtek | yes. And I just made a backup copy of it. |
| 15:35 | owen | Here's the revised template from the bug report: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]hment.cgi?id=2190 |
| 15:36 | libtek | okay. This just opens an odd looking webpage |
| 15:37 | do I save the source to a file? | |
| 15:37 | owen | Actually I don't think that will work, if your browser opened it by default. |
| 15:38 | Go to the bug page: http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4843 | |
| 15:38 | munin | 04Bug 4843: major, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Hold Over tab broken |
| 15:38 | owen | Look for the attachment link ("Revised version of the 3.0.5 release template") |
| 15:38 | libtek | Already there. Found that link. It did the same thing. I'm looking at it from my Windows machine, if that makes any difference. |
| 15:39 | owen | Right click and "save link as..." waitingreserves.tmpl |
| 15:39 | libtek | Okay. |
| 15:39 | owen | ...but you should do it from the machine you have Koha on so you can save it in place of the existing one |
| 15:40 | libtek | I have no idea how to do that. I am just saving it to a flash drive at this point and I was going to copy it over. |
| 15:40 | owen | That'll work I think |
| 15:41 | libtek | My command line knowledge in ubuntu server is limited. |
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| 15:43 | wizzyrea | ok I've added most of my more useful jquery mods to http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ki/JQuery_Library |
| 15:44 | I should note that in many cases there's probably a better way to do it | |
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| 15:45 | owen | wizzyrea: It might be nice to add a version number to each one in case a later upgrade fixes whatever the jquery is needed for |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | good point |
| 15:45 | owen | For instance, I think the cataloging search one is fixed now |
| 15:45 | wizzyrea | it is, I fixed it :P |
| 15:45 | ^.^ | |
| 15:46 | but it's not in our system yet hiss | |
| 15:46 | I will add version | |
| 15:48 | there | |
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| 15:48 | owen | jeeze, took you long enough ;) |
| 15:52 | libtek | owen: you fixed it. :) You are a genius. |
| 15:53 | owen | Not a genius libtek, but I have seen how jquery tabs break often enough |
| 15:53 | I'm glad that worked | |
| 15:54 | I'll submit that as a real patch | |
| 15:55 | libtek | owen: it's more than I could do at this point. I appreciate the fix. Thank you. |
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| 16:43 | brendan | quick question - when items are aged to Lost using long_overdue.pl --> is there any notice that is sent? |
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| 16:44 | jdavidb | I don't think so, brendan. that would be handled through a notice trigger set up for the same number of days. |
| 16:44 | brendan | yeah that's what I was doing - just wasn't sure |
| 16:44 | thanks jdavidb and good morning | |
| 16:45 | jdavidb | :) you're welcome, and good afternoon. |
| 16:45 | brendan | not yet ;) |
| 16:54 | nengard | the dontmerge preference says "Don't automatically update attached biblios when changing an authority record. If this is off, please ask your administrator to enable the merge_authorities.pl cronjob". -- it shouldn't say OFF what should it say? "if this is set to 'do'" - which is off? do or don't? |
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| 17:02 | libtek | I've submit a new bug I've seen in 3.0.6. http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4846 |
| 17:02 | munin | 04Bug 4846: normal, P5, ---, kyle.m.hall, NEW, Pending Holds/Reserves lists undefined item |
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| 17:57 | owen | Congratulations tomascohen |
| 17:57 | http://blogs.unc.edu.ar/koha/l[…]gration-complete/ | |
| 17:58 | tomascohen | owen: thanks! bgkriegel is not online to receive the congrats too, a pity |
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| 18:00 | owen | Congratulations bgkriegel ! |
| 18:00 | bgkriegel | thanks :) |
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| 18:20 | chris | morning |
| 18:21 | congrats tomascohen and bgkriegel | |
| 18:23 | cait | morning chris |
| 18:23 | hm | |
| 18:23 | and grats to tomascohen and bgkriegel from me too | |
| 18:23 | * jdavidb | waves to chris and cait. |
| 18:23 | bgkriegel | thank you all |
| 18:24 | * cait | waves back |
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| 18:28 | cait | @eightball javaserver pages homework? |
| 18:28 | munin | cait: You know the answer better than I. |
| 18:28 | cait | hmpf. |
| 18:29 | my parents did that to me, when I did not want to go to school... it always worked. | |
| 18:29 | jdavidb | @eightball workload ever going to be rational? |
| 18:29 | munin | jdavidb: Maybe... |
| 18:29 | owen | @eightball Quit early and go to the pool? |
| 18:29 | munin | owen: It is possible. |
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| 18:30 | cait | owen: is there a way to bribe the eightball? |
| 18:30 | jdavidb | @eightball personal implosion in the next three weeks? |
| 18:30 | munin | jdavidb: I doubt it very much. |
| 18:30 | jdavidb | darn thing is much more confident than I am. |
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| 18:31 | collum | @eightball will I ever catch up on work accumulated because of the holiday? |
| 18:31 | munin | collum: NO! |
| 18:31 | collum | Thought so |
| 18:32 | cait | jdavidb: im with eightball on that :) |
| 18:34 | jdavidb | Thanks, cait...good to hear, even if I'm not so sure of it myself. It's been a rough patch lately. |
| 18:34 | cait | @eightball can I make the jsp program do what it is supposed to do? |
| 18:34 | munin | cait: _I_ don't know. |
| 18:36 | * cait | grumbles |
| 18:37 | chris | @wunder wellington,nz |
| 18:37 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0�C (6:00 AM NZST on June 02, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:37 | chris | mostly cloudy is an understatement |
| 18:38 | nengard | heh |
| 18:38 | we had hail here yesterday | |
| 18:38 | chris | http://metservice.com/national[…]z-rain-last-6-hrs |
| 18:38 | cait | its raining here since begin of may... |
| 18:38 | nengard | after a 90 degree day - can you say global warning? |
| 18:39 | cait | @wunder Reutlingen |
| 18:39 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Reutlingen, Germany is 14.8�C (8:40 PM CEST on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 61%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1011.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:39 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 18:39 | munin | nengard: The current temperature in Mercer County, Ewing, New Jersey is 25.9�C (2:41 PM EDT on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.82 in 1009.7 hPa (Rising). |
| 18:39 | nengard | that doesn't mention the thunder I keep hearing.... |
| 18:40 | collum | chris: does the rain in NZ just spin around Wellington? |
| 18:41 | * collum | thinks it's odd that the clouds don't move west. |
| 18:41 | chris | hehe, today it does |
| 18:41 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ped-by-heavy-rain | |
| 18:42 | * wizzyrea | still wonders why mm instead of cm. |
| 18:42 | chris | we arent even getting the worst of it |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | but will let it go. :) |
| 18:42 | collum | oops. east rather. Long day. |
| 18:42 | chris | wizzyrea: you and your imprecise measurements :) |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | pbbbt |
| 18:48 | owen | wizzyrea: Did you get this poll on that page? "Should the size of a scoop of chips be standardised?" Talk about hating the imprecise! |
| 18:48 | chris | well light rain is .25mm/hour |
| 18:48 | * owen | voted, naturally. |
| 18:48 | chris | which is 0.0025cm which just looks silly .. its mostly mm just cos usually we dont get that much :) |
| 18:50 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-st[…]-size-does-matter | |
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| 18:51 | chris | we have no real news obviously |
| 18:52 | jwagner | fake news is always more interesting anyway |
| 18:53 | jdavidb | scoop size on....oh! |
| 18:53 | * jdavidb | thought y'all were talking about what everyone but America calls "crisps"--fritos "scoops" for instance. |
| 18:53 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 18:53 | oh my | |
| 18:54 | collum | jwagner: Not really. Here's some real news. http://www.finextra.com/news/f[…]?newsitemid=21431 |
| 18:56 | wizzyrea | ok, I can see now why you like mm, I think. That is a good reason... .0025cm *is* a silly way to write it |
| 18:56 | (though no less silly than .02in) | |
| 18:57 | owen | Expressing a decimal fraction of an inch is double-silly. |
| 18:57 | jdavidb | In Texas, rain is measured in the following increments, "just a sprinkle", "little bit", "a good soak", and "gully-washer." |
| 18:57 | owen | jdavidb: You left out "toad-strangler" |
| 18:57 | * wizzyrea | really did lol |
| 18:57 | jdavidb | heh. |
| 18:58 | The phase above "gully-washer" is when the animals start lining up two by two. | |
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| 18:58 | cait | :) |
| 19:00 | wizzyrea | oh I like this headline: "Kim Kardashian 'brutally teased'" |
| 19:01 | I guess it is in the life and style section | |
| 19:01 | so I suppose I couldn't expect it to be serious news | |
| 19:01 | chris | unless its in world, or national, its all pretty much not serious |
| 19:04 | jwagner | collum, stupid pet/criminal tricks don't count :-) |
| 19:05 | chris | ok time to make the kids breakfast bbiab |
| 19:05 | tomascohen | @wunder Cordoba, Argentina |
| 19:06 | munin | tomascohen: The current temperature in Cordoba Aerodrome, Argentina is 16.0�C (3:00 PM ART on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 40%. Dew Point: 6.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa (Falling). |
| 19:06 | jwagner | If I can interrupt with a serious question, though -- a site has a very long 520 field and has been using HTML markup tags in the MARC to make it display nicely under the OPAC title notes tab. (Sigh) The 520 in XSLT shows in the main summary area, though, and pays no attention to the markup tags, except to display them prominently. How do people deal with lengthy note fields other than having them display as one very large runon paragraph? |
| 19:07 | owen | jwagner: I don't think anyone has come up with a solution yet |
| 19:07 | jwagner | I tried splitting some of the content into a second 520 field, and the XSLT helpfully tacked it onto the end of the first one. |
| 19:08 | So right now the only solution is "don't use XSLT" which has its own drawbacks :-( | |
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| 19:19 | zico | hi |
| 19:20 | suddenly i am facing problem regarding "Hold Issue" buttons | |
| 19:20 | till last night... it was working | |
| 19:20 | but... Suddenly... though there are some holdings...but... my "Hold Queue" is not showing anything | |
| 19:21 | can anyone bring some advice? | |
| 19:22 | cait | is your cron job running? |
| 19:22 | * jdavidb | waves |
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| 19:25 | chris | well, you could turn off the html scrubbing for the xslt, then you are open to xss attacks though |
| 19:25 | (kids are eating porridge ..well kahu is, atarau is kinda smearing it around, so i have about 10 mins to read email before work) | |
| 19:27 | jwagner | chris, thanks but I don't want to make it vulnerable. I've told them to turn off XSLT if they don't mind losing the other features.... |
| 19:30 | chris | the real fix is to allow certain tags through, <p> <br /> etc .. and escape everything else, ie have a whitelist |
| 19:33 | wizzyrea | nengard: I added the jquery bits you were asking for to the wiki |
| 19:33 | nengard | wizzyrea you rock!! |
| 19:34 | owen | chris: HTML scrubbing? Why would there be HTML in the 520 field? |
| 19:34 | zico | cait: yes, my cron job is running |
| 19:36 | owen | Sounds more like there are line feeds in the 520 field that need to be converted to HTML for output |
| 19:36 | Or jwagner do you want them to be able to add HTML tags? | |
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| 19:43 | jwagner | owen, no they're actually adding HTML into the 520, like <P> and <li> etc. to format the output. It works nicely in the Title Notes tab, but looks horrible in the main XSLT-controlled display. |
| 19:43 | "then don't do that" doesn't seem to be a workable solution for them :-( | |
| 19:44 | I frankly don't want to encourage adding HTML into MARC, but there should be some way for XSLT to break up lengthy entries. | |
| 19:44 | owen | I wonder if there are MARC-legal formatting rules: line breaks allowed? |
| 19:45 | jwagner | Not that I've ever seen. I've run into people trying to do this before, in Unicorn. No good solution there either. |
| 19:45 | Maybe it would help if the XSLT didn't put all the 520s on one line. Then breaking the entry into multiple 520s would achieve some screen separation. | |
| 19:48 | owen | XSLT puts multiple 505s on separate lines but not multiple 520s? |
| 19:48 | jwagner: You're going to become the oracle of complicated MARC records at this rate. | |
| 19:49 | * owen | advises, Seek jwagner for the complicated MARC example you seek |
| 19:49 | * jwagner | gracefully but definitively refuses the mantle of oracle |
| 19:50 | jwagner | Actually, I don't know what it does with 505s, haven't looked. I did try creating a separate 520 and it just appended it. |
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| 19:51 | jwagner | Also, this is an older system, I don't know what current XSLT might be doing....Need to research more when I have a few brain cells (and minutes) to spare. I was hoping someone had a quick answer though :-( |
| 19:51 | owen | Your last troublesome example showed the multiple 505s: http://hartford.waldo.kohalibr[…]blionumber=302822 |
| 19:51 | Do you have an example online of the 520 problem? | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | I wonder if what you really need there is something like http://perishablepress.com/pre[…]wrapping-content/ |
| 19:51 | so whitelist <pre> and add a style for it and put that in your record. | |
| 19:52 | collum | Just went over to cataloging and tried to add line breaks to a 520 field through connexion. We couldn't. |
| 19:53 | wizzyrea | or maybe i'm high. |
| 19:53 | jwagner | owen, see http://cmbsc.kohalibrary.com/c[…]iblionumber=21620 |
| 19:54 | compare the top-of-page display with the Title Notes tab | |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | if you suppress it, it's gone in both places? |
| 19:57 | jwagner | wizzyrea, suppress? Switching to non-XSLT takes it off the top part. |
| 19:58 | owen | Hmmm.... Really the XSLT view shouldn't even put the 520 there, since we have the title notes tab. Either that or the notes tab should be suppressed |
| 19:59 | jwagner | Sorry, but I have to hit the road (in between thunderstorms). Maybe we can pick up the discussion tomorrow? Thanks |
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| 20:03 | owen | @later tell jwagner In HEAD multiple 520s are output on separate lines |
| 20:03 | munin | owen: The operation succeeded. |
| 20:07 | cait | good night all |
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| 20:13 | owen | good night all from me too |
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| 20:15 | libtek | nengard: are you avaialble? |
| 20:15 | available? | |
| 20:15 | nengard | yes |
| 20:15 | libtek | I'm looking at one of the bugs your name is attached to. #2367 |
| 20:16 | wizzyrea | bug 2367 |
| 20:16 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha-community.org[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2367 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharlt, NEW, Holds Awaiting Pickup not limiting by library |
| 20:16 | libtek | I'm confused about the version. Is this version even available? I thought the latest was 3.0.6 |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | this is for the next version, 3.2 |
| 20:17 | the latest stable release is 3.0.6 | |
| 20:18 | libtek | Okay, so the bugs that list later than 3.0 are for upcoming versions, and these are issues being addressed before release? |
| 20:18 | before stable release then? | |
| 20:23 | jcamins_mib | So far as anyone knows, no one has branched off my git repository, right? |
| 20:23 | (errr... that is, github.com/jcamins/koha ) | |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | yes, that's the idea |
| 20:26 | not afaik, but I'm not really the one to ask jcamins_mib | |
| 20:28 | jcamins_mib | I'll ask again once or twice, to make sure that I don't break anyone else's repository (worse than I already have!). |
| 20:29 | It occurred to me I ought to check, before I rewrite the git history. | |
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| 20:33 | richard | hi |
| 20:35 | libtek | Is there a way to point koha to an SMTP relay rather than rely on a mail service on the same machine? I haven't set up any service on this machine, and am not sure what it would involve. I can't find any instructions on setting up the mail service for koha. |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | http://www.linuxforums.org/for[…]buntu-9-04-a.html may help |
| 20:44 | chris | back |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | at the risk of starting a "which MTA is better" war. |
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| 20:45 | chris | libtek: no, but you can set up exim4 or postfix or whatever to be a smarthost (ie just relay all mail) |
| 20:50 | if you dont want to run a full mailserver yourself, i would just do that, (ie set your MTA up to just send all mail up to a relay) | |
| 20:56 | libtek | Thanks for the info guys. I'll see what I can figure out here. |
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| 21:28 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:28 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.6�C (2:30 PM PDT on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Falling). |
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| 22:07 | chris | still raining here |
| 22:13 | reed | it's because Al and Tipper split up |
| 22:14 | chris | heh |
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| 22:16 | larsw | ho hum, kohacon road trip |
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| 22:33 | larsw | http://lists.koha-community.or[…]0-May/thread.html has a long list of "No subject" mails at the bottom |
| 22:33 | including one that discusses how chris is the release manager for 1.2 (http://lists.koha-community.or[…]-May/017014.html) | |
| 22:35 | date stamps missing, too... but some quoted mails have them, from 2003 | |
| 22:40 | chris | i suspect they got busted in the migration from lists.koha.org |
| 22:40 | larsw | yeah, that'd be my guess as well |
| 22:40 | many of the mails look like they're only partial | |
| 22:40 | (distributed version control, bug tracking, and now mailing list archives... hmm) | |
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| 22:45 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 21.1�C (5:45 PM CDT on June 01, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 71%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006.0 hPa (Falling). |
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