| Time |
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| 00:29 |
mason |
aaah, heres the fix for me... |
| 00:29 |
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./rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -x |
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using the '-x' arg, handles the bad record better, and skips/succeeds - rather than barfing |
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chris |
handy |
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* chris_n |
adds color-coding to about->Perl Modules to indicate when modules need updating relative to Koha's requirements |
| 02:37 |
SelfishMan |
pretty |
| 02:40 |
chris |
nice |
| 02:41 |
* chris_n |
notices that git rebase -i has new options |
| 02:41 |
chris_n |
# p, pick = use commit |
| 02:41 |
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# r, reword = use commit, but edit the commit message |
| 02:41 |
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# e, edit = use commit, but stop for amending |
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# s, squash = use commit, but meld into previous commit |
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# f, fixup = like "squash", but discard this commit's log message |
| 02:41 |
chris |
oh cool |
| 03:17 |
chris_n |
g'night |
| 03:17 |
chris |
night |
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Amit_G |
heya chris |
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| 05:00 |
chris |
http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]th-ptfs/#comments |
| 05:00 |
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ben is back |
| 05:00 |
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and quoting jo out of context, ie merging 2 separate comments |
| 05:00 |
* brendan |
goes to look |
| 05:01 |
brendan |
ben always seem to take anything out of context... |
| 05:01 |
larsw |
not just merging, but also picking words to make it look like she said something she didn't |
| 05:02 |
chris |
yep |
| 05:02 |
larsw |
which is a vile form of lying |
| 05:02 |
chris |
yes, yes it is |
| 05:05 |
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not sure what to do about it |
| 05:05 |
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i think ill sleep on it |
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hopefully someone else will do something and i will no longer feel the need to :) |
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kmkale |
humph no local trains running in Mumbai today. Everything almost at a standstill |
| 05:20 |
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good morning all |
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Amit_G |
heya kmkale |
| 05:46 |
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kmkale: have u solve your problem |
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? |
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kmkale |
hey amit lost connection for a while |
| 06:35 |
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yes i solved it |
| 06:46 |
Amit_G |
good |
| 06:47 |
robin |
chris: don't suppose you're about? |
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hdl_laptop |
hi |
| 06:57 |
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chris around ? |
| 06:57 |
Ropuch^_ |
Morning #koha |
| 07:02 |
magnus |
g'day #koha |
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kf |
good morning #koha |
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| 07:32 |
chris |
am now |
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| 07:33 |
robin |
chris: hey. koha fields are like 'biblio.title', but I'd like to have people just say 'title'. At the moment I'm iterating through the three prefixes checking for the right one. Is that sufficient? |
| 07:33 |
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Importantly, will they ever duplicate? |
| 07:34 |
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so 'biblioitems.title' and 'biblio.title'? |
| 07:34 |
chris |
some things duplicate, title isnt one of them, |
| 07:35 |
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not between items, biblio and biblioitems anyway |
| 07:35 |
robin |
But others can duplicate between them? (title was just an example) |
| 07:35 |
chris |
im trying to think if any do |
| 07:36 |
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maybe just do a describe on each of those tables and eyeball them |
| 07:36 |
robin |
yeah OK |
| 07:36 |
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tomorrow though :) |
| 07:36 |
chris |
:) |
| 07:36 |
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off the top of my head, its just the biblionumber |
| 07:36 |
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which we wont be importing, but creating instead |
| 07:37 |
robin |
now my script can take a CSV, load it, build an array of MARC records from that, and all without errors :) |
| 07:37 |
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However, there is currently no validation and no output. |
| 07:37 |
chris |
its a darn good start :) |
| 07:38 |
robin |
e.g. ./csvtomarc.pl -m title=title -m author=author -i EROlibrary.csv -o test.xml --kohaconf /home/robin/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml |
| 07:38 |
chris |
sweet |
| 07:38 |
robin |
will extract author and title and apply them to the MARC records that match those koha field names. |
| 07:39 |
chris |
awesome, doing it that way, means that it will work for MARC21 and UNIMARC too |
| 07:39 |
robin |
yeah, that's what I figured. Putting an 'output' switch on it won't be hard. |
| 07:39 |
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but now, there's a SOBA get-together at Bodega, so I'm going to the pub :) |
| 07:39 |
chris |
sounds good |
| 07:40 |
robin |
catch you tomorrow |
| 07:40 |
chris |
yep, have fun :) |
| 07:51 |
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hdl_laptop: you wanted me? |
| 08:31 |
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hdl_laptop |
chris : I just wanted to say thanks for your hints on fcgi |
| 08:32 |
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? |
| 08:32 |
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. |
| 08:35 |
chris |
no problem |
| 08:35 |
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you see the FCGI::Async script? |
| 08:36 |
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ill commit my ngnix conf too |
| 08:38 |
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http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]e935219e5951c0671 |
| 08:38 |
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im playing with psgi now to see how that performs |
| 08:38 |
hdl_laptop |
good. let me know |
| 08:38 |
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I saw that patch |
| 08:39 |
chris |
i just committed it now :) |
| 08:39 |
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it has the nginx config too |
| 08:40 |
hdl_laptop |
psgi require some heavy work on scripts |
| 08:41 |
chris |
nope |
| 08:42 |
hdl_laptop |
not at first. |
| 08:42 |
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But will still. |
| 08:42 |
chris |
not if you use CGI::Compile and CGI::Emulate |
| 08:42 |
hdl_laptop |
sure, but then you donot really use psgi |
| 08:43 |
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at its full but kind of emulation of CGI |
| 08:43 |
chris |
it compiles them into psgi, and runs them persistently |
| 08:43 |
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and persistent is the main thing that psgi gives you |
| 08:45 |
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its worth benchmarking anyway, to see if its any faster than FCGI::Async |
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| 08:59 |
chris |
Test total duration was 24 seconds and CAPS average 16: |
| 08:59 |
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H/F Req:310,1xx:0,2xx:310,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:5406ms,D-2xx:5406ms,Ti:87962B/s,To:2289B/s |
| 08:59 |
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H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s |
| 09:00 |
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hdl_laptop: does http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org:82/opac-main.pl |
| 09:00 |
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work for you? |
| 09:00 |
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thats what i just benchmarked |
| 09:00 |
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im running it like this |
| 09:01 |
hdl_laptop |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]ch.pl?idx=&q=John |
| 09:01 |
chris |
yeah that wont work |
| 09:01 |
hdl_laptop |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 09:01 |
chris |
neither will that |
| 09:01 |
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only the url i pasted |
| 09:01 |
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ive only set it up for that url just for testing |
| 09:01 |
hdl_laptop |
it works |
| 09:01 |
chris |
cool |
| 09:02 |
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so opac-main.pl served 310 requests in 24 seconds |
| 09:02 |
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under this |
| 09:02 |
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plackup -MPlack::App::CGIBin -e 'Plack::App::CGIBin->new(root => "/home/chris/git/koha.git/opac")->to_app' |
| 09:02 |
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with ngnix in front |
| 09:03 |
hdl_laptop |
I tried this but css and js was not loaded. |
| 09:04 |
chris |
yep, nginx is doing the css and js |
| 09:04 |
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that might have been the missing piece |
| 09:04 |
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i just ramped it up |
| 09:05 |
Amit_G |
hdl_laptop around |
| 09:05 |
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i m just reading your comment on http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]nuary/005276.html |
| 09:06 |
hdl_laptop |
Amit_G: ? |
| 09:07 |
Amit_G |
st-numeric is not correct for lexile searching |
| 09:11 |
chris |
Test total duration was 182 seconds and CAPS average 13: |
| 09:11 |
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H/F Req:1502,1xx:0,2xx:1502,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:5992ms,D-2xx:5992ms,Ti:56201B/s,To:1315B/s |
| 09:11 |
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H/F/S Req:0,1xx:0,2xx:0,3xx:0,4xx:0,5xx:0,Err:0,T-Err:0,D:0ms,D-2xx:0ms,Ti:0B/s,To:0B/s |
| 09:13 |
hdl_laptop |
Amit_G: I am not using MARC21 neither lexile. |
| 09:13 |
Amit_G |
ok |
| 09:14 |
hdl_laptop |
I was just suggesting another way ro do things. |
| 09:15 |
Amit_G |
but pubdate also using the same st-numeric |
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| 09:21 |
chris |
hdl_laptop: http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]ch.pl?idx=&q=fish |
| 09:21 |
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all urls should work now |
| 09:21 |
hdl_laptop |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]?biblionumber=155 |
| 09:22 |
chris |
yeah thats not psgi tho |
| 09:22 |
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thats me breaking opac-detail.pl |
| 09:23 |
hdl_laptop |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]opac-topissues.pl |
| 09:23 |
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Same thing. |
| 09:26 |
chris |
yep Can't use an undefined value as a HASH reference at /home/chris/git/koha.git/opac/opac-topissues.pl line 101. |
| 09:26 |
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valid perl errors |
| 09:29 |
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login works tho |
| 09:30 |
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so far, it seems just those 2 |
| 09:30 |
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interesting opac-topissues.pl works fine if you are logged |
| 09:30 |
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in |
| 09:31 |
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ah yep i see why |
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$template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop(C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'})); |
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| 09:31 |
chris |
http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]opac-topissues.pl |
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its broken in apache2 as well |
| 09:32 |
* chris |
fixes |
| 09:32 |
chris |
fixed that one |
| 09:32 |
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http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]opac-topissues.pl work for you now? |
| 09:34 |
hdl_laptop |
yes |
| 09:34 |
chris |
what i did was this |
| 09:35 |
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if (C4::Context->userenv){ $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop(C4::Context->userenv->{'branch'})); |
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} |
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else { $template->param( branchloop => GetBranchesLoop()); |
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} |
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should have been done anyway so thats fine, ill look at opac-detail now |
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* magnus |
admires the effect of switching from the deprecated zebraqueue-daemon to running rebuild_zebra from cron every 2 minutes http://div.libriotech.no/files[…]oha-load-week.png |
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zico |
hi |
| 10:17 |
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i have a little bit problem with book of Bangla language |
| 10:17 |
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i am from Dhaka, Bangladesh |
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the problem is |
| 10:18 |
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i can generate english barcode label with koha |
| 10:18 |
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but, when Bangla book comes, when i tries to generate barcode in pdf.. it don`t work |
| 10:19 |
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pdf reader shows me the error that, "unable to open" |
| 10:19 |
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can anyone help me a little? |
| 10:19 |
Amit_G |
heya zico |
| 10:22 |
zico |
hello Amit_G |
| 10:23 |
dan_paris |
Hello!! |
| 10:23 |
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do you know how change the first administrator login/password after install ? |
| 10:24 |
kmkale |
Hey anybody upgraded to Lucid yet? I did and am now stuck with "error: unexpectedly disconnected from boot status daemon" system wont boot beyond this point. |
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kf |
dan_paris: its in the xml config file of koha |
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greenmang0 |
@wunder mumbai |
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munin |
greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (3:40 PM IST on May 04, 2010). Conditions: Smoke. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 10:56 |
greenmang0 |
thanks munin |
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chris_n |
kmkale: I did last week and all is well |
| 10:57 |
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and good morning #koha |
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kmkale: that sounds like a nasty error though :-P |
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chris |
hi chris_n |
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chris_n |
heya chris |
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chris_n |
@later tell kmkale: I succesfully upgraded to lucid last week |
| 11:07 |
munin |
chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:09 |
kmkale |
chris_n: did you do a upgrade via upgrade manager or from a cd / dvd? |
| 11:11 |
chris_n |
upgrade manager (using -d) |
| 11:12 |
* chris_n |
is not fully awake yet |
| 11:18 |
kmkale |
i wonder how you guyz wonder aloud like that :( |
| 11:20 |
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i did too but now am locked out of ubuntu trying to boot into fedora partition and repair ubuntu boot and cursing myself as all the work is stuck |
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dan_paris |
chris: thank KF! |
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kf |
huh? |
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chris |
huh? |
| 11:25 |
nengard |
first thing I see after logging in - 'huh?' -- that's not a nice greeting chris :) hehe |
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good morning all!! |
| 11:26 |
Colin |
g'day #koha (huh?) |
| 11:27 |
chris |
Colin: thanks for the plack hint |
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http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 11:28 |
Colin |
It looks nice... has defiite potential |
| 11:28 |
chris |
running with nginx in front, plack behind |
| 11:28 |
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everying but opac-detail.pl works |
| 11:28 |
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contrast with |
| 11:28 |
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http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
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exact same code |
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but with apache2 |
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and cig |
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cgi too |
| 11:30 |
Colin |
There's a definite difference |
| 11:30 |
chris |
yep, tis faster but the main win is throughput |
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if i hit that url with 100 concurrent connection on apache2 |
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the machine bursts into flames |
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(or at least load gets to 120+ and it starts swapping like mad) |
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with nginx and plack it barely notices |
| 11:34 |
Colin |
Nice thing is that it dosen't require too much rethinking of existing code to take advantage of that |
| 11:34 |
chris |
yeah, pretty much none at all |
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(thats why i was testing FCGI::Async) because it didnt need much either |
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jdavidb |
hello, #koha! :) |
| 11:38 |
Colin |
welcome jdavidb |
| 11:38 |
chris |
hiya jdavidb |
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magnus_lunch is now known as magnus |
| 11:40 |
chris |
ok, time for sleep |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
| 11:45 |
jwagner |
Morning.... |
| 11:46 |
kf |
good morning jdavidb, Colin, jwagner and gmcharlt :) |
| 11:47 |
Colin |
morning or afternoon as it is here |
| 11:49 |
jwagner |
Good [time of day of choice] :-) |
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Any French speakers online? I need a syspref translation. |
| 11:51 |
* magnus |
thinks the biblibre gang is in a meeting |
| 11:54 |
jwagner |
Oh well..... |
| 11:55 |
jdavidb |
If I was feeling mean-spirited, jwagner, I'd suggest that you use Google Translate, so they'd point and laugh when they read what you use from it.... |
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* jwagner |
looks over the tops of her glasses at jdavidb |
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| 11:58 |
jwagner |
AHA! A French speaker! |
| 11:58 |
* jdavidb |
cowers in fear |
| 11:58 |
chris_n |
lol jdavidb |
| 11:58 |
jwagner |
Was just asking for one, for a translation :-) |
| 11:59 |
hdl_laptop |
jwagner: sure |
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jwagner |
I'm changing the description of opaccolorstylesheet, and I'll have a couple of new ones later. Here's the 1st one: |
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Define an auxiliary stylesheet for OPAC use, to override specified settings from the primary opac.css stylesheet. Enter the filename (if the file is in the server's css directory) or a complete URL beginning with http (if the file lives on a remote server). |
| 12:00 |
kf |
jdavidb: more chocolate? |
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hdl_laptop |
hi all |
| 12:01 |
jdavidb |
Just a little, kf. Things are much better today than yesterday. (funny what nine hours of sleep will do) |
| 12:02 |
* kf |
hands jdavid some chocolate |
| 12:02 |
kf |
sleep is a fascinating thing, would like to get more of it |
| 12:03 |
* jwagner |
wants chocolate too! |
| 12:03 |
* jdavidb |
found a recipe for home-made Snickers bars, and is thinking of making a 9x13" panful for jwagner |
| 12:04 |
jwagner |
Mmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:05 |
* jdavidb |
makes a note on the recipe card: "jwagner approves." |
| 12:05 |
hdl_laptop |
Définit une feuille de style auxiliaire pour l'OPAC qui prend le pas sur la feuille de style primaire. Entrez le nom du fichier (si le fichier est sur le serveur) ou une URL commencant par http (si le fichier est sur un serveur distant) |
| 12:05 |
jwagner |
Well, I haven't approved YET -- I was indicating approval of the idea! |
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Merci, hdl_laptop! |
| 12:06 |
dan_paris |
An other question please; An administrator can reset or change user password ? i don't find where is it.. |
| 12:07 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: do you have any patches to fix the translateable templates errors in admin/aqplan.tmpl |
| 12:08 |
hdl_laptop |
Un administrateur peut réinitialiser ou changer le mot de passe utilisateur. |
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gmcharlt: think so. |
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gmcharlt: will search and send you |
| 12:09 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop++ |
| 12:10 |
dan_paris |
hdl_laptop> oky merci |
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* kf |
hands out chocolate to jwagner too |
| 12:11 |
* jwagner |
thanks kf |
| 12:11 |
kf |
I thought jdavidb would share |
| 12:11 |
jwagner |
Share? CHOCOLATE??? You must be joking! (I wouldn't share either.....) |
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kmkale |
@quit |
| 12:15 |
munin |
kmkale: Error: You don't have the owner capability. If you think that you should have this capability, be sure that you are identified before trying again. The 'whoami' command can tell you if you're identified. |
| 12:15 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: aqbudgets.tmpl has a similar issue of tmpl_if embeded in a <td> element |
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| 12:15 |
hdl_laptop |
will fix that either. |
| 12:16 |
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any #bug ? |
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jwagner |
hdl_laptop, see Bug 4394 -- I think the revised version takes care of your concerns with it. |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4394 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, opaccolorstylesheet syspref won't allow an external URL |
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owen |
jwagner++ # for opaccolorstylesheet pref enhancement |
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hdl_laptop |
k |
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jwagner |
owen, thanks. Hope it takes care of the themes directory problem with the first patch. |
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nengard |
I have an amazon question. I'm on my test system and have all amazon content turned on, yet when i click on reviews it says there aren't any - but on amazon there are |
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and i don't see any similar items even though i know i have similar items in my catlaog |
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do i need to do something other than turn the preferences on? |
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* owen |
is wondering why he clicked through to that comment from Ben Ide. Terrible way to start the day. |
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nengard |
:( |
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* chris_n |
wonders if anyone has a patch to fix a bug he has... ie. a bad cold |
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owen |
chris_n: I have a patch for that, but it takes a week to ten days to merge it properly. |
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chris_n |
:D |
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nengard |
goofy boys |
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jwagner |
chris_n, it's on the development list, right after the cloning and time travel modules.... |
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* chris_n |
has to admit cloning should be at the top :) |
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owen |
Man I really wish the tag moderation page linked to the record/records which users have added tags to. |
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nengard |
owen - me too! |
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I'd also like to approve tags on a per title basis |
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in addition to as a blanket 'this word is bad' |
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type |
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i'd also like there to be a tagging utility for the staff client |
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chris_n |
critiques: http://www.screencast.com/t/OTE0MWJk |
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chris_n |
wb hdl_laptop |
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nengard |
chris_n are you suggesting color coding that page? are you asking what we think? |
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it works for me :) |
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chris_n |
yes, yes, great |
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nengard |
:) |
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what does yellow mean? |
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collum |
nengard: what do you envision the functionality of a tagging utility to be? |
| 13:23 |
chris_n |
but that is just the skin of an overhaul of the underlying code |
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yellow = need to upgrade relative to Koha's requirements |
| 13:23 |
collum |
I would like there to be a way to populate tags based on librarything. |
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nengard |
collum I envision a lot of changes - in order to pull tags from LT I think you need to pay for LT4L |
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chris_n |
nengard: ie. Koha is looking for a newer version than that installed |
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nengard |
chris_n figured that |
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owen |
chris_n: I'd say don't highlight the good ones with green, just highlight the problems |
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nengard |
collum i think that first, librarians should be able to add tags in bulk to items if they want. second, tags should be searchable - or else they're just there for fun. third, i think librarians should be able to approve/reject tags both per title and as a word (ex. if i tag harry potter as 'devil worshipping' a librarians should be able to reject that tag on harry potter but let it still be used on books about 'devil worshippi |
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ng') |
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chris_n |
owen: yeah, I thought all the green might be a bit overwhelming |
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not to mention ugly imho |
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nengard |
:) |
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collum |
all good things. Bulk and searchable would be nice. |
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nengard |
patrons can add tags in bulk now - and techincally so can staff if they log into the opac- but it should be in the staff client as well |
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collum, john blyberg mentioned some neat ideas for tags in his sopac talk: http://www.web2learning.net/archives/3712 |
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owen |
Here's an interesting case from my catalog: Someone just added a tag to this title http://search.myacpl.org/cgi-b[…]blionumber=208268 |
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Their tag, " Wings in the Night bk. 3 " |
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collum |
It's been a while since I played with tags. I really like the concept of rejecting or approving on a per title basis. |
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owen |
Helpful because the record doesn't contain that information. But since a regular search won't hit on the tag, it doesn't end up helping anyone else |
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And since this "tag" really only applies to one title, I question whether it should be approved |
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* collum |
wonders if a tag, after it is approved, could be incorporated into a repeatable option field in the marc record, possibly in the 900s. |
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chris_n |
hi Nate |
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Nate |
morning chris_n! |
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and everyone |
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sekjal |
morning, Nate! |
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Nate |
hiya sekjal |
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magnus |
yay! http://git.koha-community.org/[…]3_2_0.txt;hb=HEAD |
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sekjal |
is anyone else out there having issues with renewals on the latest code? I'm noticing on several machines that I can't renew anything, even if I override. |
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* wizzyrea |
goes to check |
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kf |
sekjal: let me check, we just updated our system |
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sekjal |
thanks, wizzyrea and kf! |
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kf |
kf: I used an account with already checked out items, i marked 2 and renewed, it worked, but I see Renewal Failed for all other items - although I didnt mark them for renewal |
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hm, and override renewal limit automagically marks all items not for renewal, I think this is a new behaviour (that I dont like9 |
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wizzyrea |
sekjal: it seems to be working for me |
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kf |
hm |
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wizzyrea |
let me try again |
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kf |
when I click on override renewal on check out tab no items are marked |
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when I click on override renewal on details tab all not renewable items are marked |
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this is not consistend |
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consistent |
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swap the tabs |
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sekjal |
there was just a new patch that fixed some of the SQL in CanBookBeRenewed, but I'm still getting a failure when I run that function. |
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it's called twice, once when the page is rendered to determine what checkboxes to show, and again when you actually try to renew an item |
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wizzyrea |
I personally don't think we should allow any processing of items on the details page |
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display only |
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gmcharlt |
wizzyrea: staff or OPAC? |
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wizzyrea |
staff |
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patron detail |
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it's a lot to try and keep consistent, and it's not that hard to click over to the checkout tab |
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to do work with it |
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but I may be a cuckoo, too |
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kf |
I think it is fixed now, but in our 3.0.61 you could only set a specific renewal date on details tab |
| 14:08 |
wizzyrea |
yea, that needs to be moved to the checkout if it's not there |
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kf |
my librarians got confused |
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wizzyrea |
it's there on the checkout page |
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< mine definitely would have as well |
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kf |
yes, look ok now |
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wizzyrea |
and good morning |
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kf |
but the error message is confusing |
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it shows renewal fail for those item that I did not mark for renewal |
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wizzyrea: can you confim? |
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hm letters missing... renwal failED for those itemS... |
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wizzyrea |
how did you test it? checked out a bunch of items, checked only a couple for renewal, clicked renew/return checked items? |
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(making sure I'm doing the same thing you are) |
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kf |
yes |
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wizzyrea |
k sec |
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kf |
hm, not sure this is new: I opened another account with overdue items and the items are already checked for renewal. |
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owen |
Not new kf |
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kf |
hi owen |
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wizzyrea |
kf: I wasn't able to duplicate that |
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the renewal fail for unchecked items |
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kf |
wizzyrea: I tested with another account and it didnt happen again |
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* kf |
confused |
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wizzyrea |
were the items overdue or otherwise restricted? |
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like, maybe someone had a hold? |
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kf |
overdue |
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wizzyrea |
ah all of mine were current... |
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one sec |
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kf |
hm |
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wizzyrea: wait, I think I have an idea - our templates might not have been updated |
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wizzyrea |
Ah! |
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I have the newest stuff as of about 10 minutes ago |
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it's all out of the bo |
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kf |
wizzyrea: I tested with German - English is ok |
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wizzyrea |
box* |
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sekjal |
I think the problem I'm having is somewhere in the SQL... when working on a system with only two, simple loan rules, it behaves itself. The SQL for CanBookBeRenewed is very complex |
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wizzyrea |
what kind of rules are you working with? |
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where you see the problem? |
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kf |
i dont use default values, too many problems with other ils in the past |
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I have every combination of borrowercategory and itemtype |
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wizzyrea |
oh wow |
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< impressed by your tenacity |
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:) |
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that must have been a bear to set up |
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(rather, it would have been in our system) |
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sekjal |
one of the systems I'm working on has mostly default branchcode, and only two enumerated patron categories. |
| 14:23 |
schuster |
Before I start beating my head against a wall... in the Main nav in the opac what have people used there? My boss wants some widgets and as I start "building" them I am getting lots of options, javascript, iframe, html, what have others used? |
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jwagner |
schuster, anything from bare text to elaborate menu links :-) |
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wizzyrea |
we have tested all of those |
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they all seem to work |
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what kidn of widgets? |
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schuster |
I've got bare text... So I'm looking at some widgets.. Do some work better than others? Database type widgets mainly... I'm looking at word of the day, this day in history, ebsco, gale etc... |
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jwagner - do you have any Koha instances that I can go and look at what you may have done? I'm also thinking about the three boxes that I have seen others do in the middle |
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jwagner |
The main thing, I think, is to keep it self-contained and make sure the HTML/scripts don't clash. |
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wizzyrea |
ckls.mykansaslibrary.org uses librarything |
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er |
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sorry |
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that's not the right URL at all |
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jwagner |
schuster, not offhand -- I'd have to dig some up. It's been a while. |
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wizzyrea |
ckls.kohalibrary.com |
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schuster |
That is the trick isn't it... The vendors don't like to play nicely. |
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wizzyrea |
? |
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oh you mean the widget vendors |
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schuster |
I have to be careful what I put there as it is pertinent to ALL levels k-12(database vendors that is - the Gale widget wants to over right the ebsco widget and take over the page. |
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wizzyrea |
ah |
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you could do what we did |
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and put them in the nav bar |
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jwagner |
schuster, I didn't create this page, but I did some updates on it: http://cate.kohalibrary.com/ |
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nengard |
I have an amazon question. For some reason only amazon cover images are working for me - none of the other content - and I'm wondering if it's possible that the slash in my awsprivatekey is causing errors in koha code - anyone think that might be it? |
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owen |
schuster: http://nyack.waldo.kohalibrary.com/ |
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schuster: http://rfpl.kohalibrary.com/ |
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wizzyrea |
a lot of it is putting pretty graphics over links |
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nyack is pretty |
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rfpl definitely likes their widgets |
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kf |
wizzyrea: I added my issuingrules with sql... ;) |
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wizzyrea |
kf: very smart. |
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:) |
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we also add things to the detail pages: http://screencast.com/t/MjQ5MmE4ZWI |
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though there's a pref for that now I think |
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(which I thank your diety of choice for) |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, I think the diety for that one is named nengard :-) |
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nengard |
huh? what? have I been promoted?? |
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wizzyrea |
we also need to remember to change the text in the system preferences for OCLCAffiliateID: they allow 1k requests/day for users with no ID now |
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jwagner |
According to wizzyrea, you have.... |
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wizzyrea |
you made the editable block pref for the opac detail pages, right? |
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nengard |
yes |
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the one for search in other |
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wizzyrea |
then yes, you would be the diety of choice, in this case |
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;) |
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nengard |
hehe :) wow - why thanks :) hehe |
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wizzyrea |
lordy bugs is slow today |
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jwagner |
It was fine earlier -- an hour or so ago. |
| 14:42 |
kf |
bug 4386-- |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4386 blocker, P2, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, New print notice feature not obeying email address for hold notices |
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kf |
fine here too |
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wizzyrea |
man it took like 2 minutes for it to even come up here... everything else is speedy |
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now that I'm in it's ok though |
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oh well |
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sekjal |
ah ha! error in the SQL syntax! but only on one machine.... and they are supposedly running the same code... |
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wizzyrea |
!! |
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sekjal |
well, obviously they are not... time to do some git-blaming |
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ah. the same patch was applied, but resulted in a different commit. |
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kf |
gmcharlt++ #3.2alpha2 |
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owen |
gmcharlt: I'd like to lobby for the inclusion of my patch for Bug 4387 |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4387 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Cart popup shadow fails to hide itself consistently |
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schuster |
all owen patches get my vote - as my boss says "it makes it look pretty..." |
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gmcharlt |
owen: no string changes, and failure mode in IE is hardly going to raise hackles, so fine |
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I will roast anybody who makes a blocker bug complaining about a missing shadow in IE8 |
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:) |
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sekjal |
owen++ |
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kf |
:) |
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hay anybody tested syspref translation? my colleague told me he got no error message but everything is still English |
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cant type today |
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*sigh* |
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owen |
Bug 2375 says "fixed," but it doesn't look like my patch was approved. Is the "fixed" status an error? |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2375 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, RESOLVED FIXED, Serials holdings data does not display in opac-detail |
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gmcharlt |
owen: nengard closed it, maybe she was staistfied with the current display? duno |
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chris_n |
gmcharlt++ #3.2alpha2 |
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wizzyrea |
woo alpha2! |
| 15:09 |
* owen |
points his browser to bugs.koha.org and settles down for a game of solitaire |
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wizzyrea |
! mine was slow too! |
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owen |
Maybe it's from furious bug-fixing |
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nengard |
owen gmcharlt, i don't remember why i closed it .... |
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schuster |
New question about widgets and boxes and news... So if you are running a "custom" template you can't use news in the opac as that isn't an option.. |
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owen |
schuster: By custom do you mean using opacmainuserblock? |
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wizzyrea |
^^ |
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I thought the news went above that |
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owen |
Right, you should be able to use both |
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schuster |
Yes. |
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we are not using prog - templates and so when I put something in the OPAC(en) as a "news" item nothing shows up above the opacmain or nav...??? |
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hmmm I'll go back and switch the template back to prog and see if it works then. |
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wizzyrea |
oh, then yea, maybe your template is different |
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owen |
Bug 2375 reopened and revised patch submitted |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2375 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, REOPENED, Serials holdings data does not display in opac-detail |
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wizzyrea |
changing the text of system preferences: you only have to change the text in the template file for that section? (enhanced-preferences.pref, for example) |
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or is there more I need to do |
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(get translations, for example) |
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owen |
gmcharlt: I resubmitted another patch which is now described as Bug 4446. I didn't see it in the patches list archive so I wasn't sure if it made it through |
| 15:25 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4446 enhancement, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, ASSIGNED, Style changes to cart popup window more compact display |
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kf |
owen: did your patch remove display of 952 serial enumeration? |
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owen: or only if its not used? |
| 15:30 |
owen |
My patch removed some things from the holdings display which are correctly displayed under the subscriptions tab |
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kf |
owen: ah, i think I figured it out from the patch code |
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wajasu |
nengard: i was wondering if anything else beside book covers should show for amazon content. |
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nengard |
wajasu not for me |
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oh - sorry - yes more should show |
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if you have those preferences turned on |
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but they're not working for me right now |
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wajasu |
maybe i just need to find something with a review.... |
| 15:34 |
kf |
I can test tomorrow - perhaps remind me. we use amazon in our catalogs |
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wajasu |
i also wonder if on the item detail page, when i hover/click over the book cover it links to amazon, but is there a way to get the AmazonAssociateTag added to the end of the link? |
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if thats how thats supposed to work to get credit if my patron make a purchase. |
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owen |
That's how one would expect it to work. In reality the AmazonAssocTag preference doesn't seem to be used at all in Koha's code. |
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wajasu: Could you file a bug report for that? |
| 15:43 |
wajasu |
sure. I'll file bug. |
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* owen |
wonders if that was ever used... in 2.x maybe? |
| 15:47 |
jwagner |
owen and anyone else interested in XSLT, see Bug 4447 -- discussion? |
| 15:47 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4447 enhancement, P5, ---, jwagnerptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Allow external URL/storage location for XSLT stylesheets |
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wizzyrea |
I'm for that |
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jwagner |
The code makes it tricky -- it's building the path on the fly, based on the suffix (results or details), so it seems to be all or nothing. |
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kf |
jwagner: I wonder if this could lead to problems with ie and https |
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jwagner: translation is another problem |
| 15:50 |
jwagner |
Good one -- hadn't thought of that. "I don't know" is the answer :-) |
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wajasu |
i had also added the AmazonAssociateTag in my "more searches" drop down that I added. It would be nice to have {AMAZONASSOCID} available as well. Should that be a separate enhancement? |
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wizzyrea |
presumably, if you were using an external XSLT, you would be localizing it to your language anyway |
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i.e. as far as translating it, you wouldn't need to, because your files aren't in the project, if that makes sense. |
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hdl_laptop |
jwagner: I wrote a patch to allow usage of alternative xslts |
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I sent it. |
| 15:52 |
jwagner |
Yeah, my contemplated workflow is to ftp the two .xsl files from the server, customize them however you want, & stick them off on another server. For translation, you'd copy the other language ones. |
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hdl_laptop, really? I missed that. Do you have a bug #? |
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hdl_laptop |
But it just needed to use different system preference |
| 15:53 |
schuster |
OK throw the brick at me... On the news it works - I had today as the publish date, as soon as I set it to yesterday guess what - It shows up! |
| 15:53 |
wizzyrea |
yea, that's a bug |
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one I think I fixed, actually |
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so you probably just don't have the update that fixes that |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, bug # for that fix? |
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hdl_laptop |
bug 3042 |
| 15:54 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3042 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, RESOLVED DUPLICATE, Add more details to OPAC search results RSS |
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wizzyrea |
1s lemme look |
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sekjal |
mysql claims I have a syntax error. There is in fact none. Unfortunately, you can't argue with a machine. |
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kf |
wizzyrea: we are using mroe than one language in opac :) |
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jwagner |
hdl_laptop, that bug doesn't seem to be related to XSLT files. |
| 15:55 |
wizzyrea |
bug 3685, but I didn't attach the patch to it. Will look for it and do that. |
| 15:55 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3685 enhancement, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, tools / news = error with date |
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wizzyrea |
but it's fixed in head |
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regardless. |
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hdl_laptop |
patch sent on the 05 02 |
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And was numbered bug 3042 |
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jwagner |
wizzyrea, please do attach the patch -- we can grab it from there. |
| 15:57 |
wizzyrea |
also this |
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http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3289 |
| 15:57 |
munin |
04Bug 3289: normal, P5, ---, wizzyreagmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, News items do not appear on current date, must be backdated. |
| 15:58 |
wizzyrea |
...you can't get it from git? sorry, I'm a bit thick. |
| 15:59 |
jwagner |
wizzyrea, I dunno. Patch files are always safe :-) |
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hdl_laptop |
http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg04447.html |
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* chris_n |
tries to imagine a thick wizzyrea |
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hdl_laptop |
http://markmail.org/message/lhz34uen3ljxd6za |
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jwagner you can look at thos two patches |
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kf |
ok, really time to leave, will be back later for the meeting |
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jwagner |
hdl_laptop, thanks. Looks like a similar approach but yours is more elaborate. I'll update my bug report with those references. |
| 16:02 |
hdl_laptop |
jwagner: al you would have to add is changing xslt syspref names |
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+ adding a default to present xslt filenames |
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in case XSLTOPACResult (for instance) is on And XSLTWhateveryounameit would not. |
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wizzyrea |
coopetition++ |
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hdl_laptop |
those two patches however are a step into the desired direction and seems to me more general than a hardcoded path. |
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A problem not really easy to solve is the usage of OPAC stylesheets at intranet for Results. |
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Since at the moment, C4::Search is not "aware" of templates. |
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and, at the moment, the display of biblios is done not at the pl level, but in the getRecords Level, which in my opinion, is a crazy thing. |
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jwagner |
hdl_laptop, thanks. I'll take a look at yours & see if it does what I'm wanting. |
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hdl_laptop |
let me know |
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Will be online tonight |
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schuster |
wizzyrea - I saw you linked on the detail page to novel list - was it easy? what did you do? |
| 16:12 |
wizzyrea |
I did it with jquery |
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one sec I'll go grab the code |
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schuster |
Cool. - I was thinking of doing something similar with a webservice that finds websites... |
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wizzyrea |
$("li:contains('in This Series')").after("<li><a target='_blank' href='http://ksuc-agent.auto-graphic[…]d&dataid=183'>NoveList</a></li>"); |
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I am SURE there is a better way to pinpoint that location in the list |
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owen |
wizzyrea: What's an example of this in use? |
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wizzyrea |
but when I wrote it I didn't know what it was |
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search for this title in: |
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http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=147824 |
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schuster |
I'm not in Kansas anymore dorothy so the click on novel list doesn't go anywhere. Can you do a screen shot? |
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owen |
wizzyrea: You could try the eq() method in that kind of situation |
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http://www.tutorialspoint.com/[…]/traversal-eq.htm |
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wizzyrea |
hm. |
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schuster |
OK you two are talking jquery which to me is as good as french - sorry don't understand any of it... |
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wizzyrea |
schuster: novelist looks just like novelist anywhere else |
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you would paste that code (or something like it) into your opacuserjs |
| 16:18 |
schuster |
So wizzyrea - does it actually pull the series into Novel list or just goes there and then you type in your series you are looking for? |
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wizzyrea |
goes there and you type in the series |
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they asked me for a link |
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so I gave them one ;) |
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i'm certain it could be better |
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schuster |
It would be way cool if it actually could pull the series authority into the search! |
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wizzyrea |
yep, though NEKLS doesn't use authorities |
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(yet) |
| 16:20 |
schuster |
But they may already be in the MARC record... |
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wizzyrea |
I agree in principle it would be cool, but 1. i'm not that smart and 2. I'm not that smart. |
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;) |
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schuster |
ah but we know someone who is.... "oh owennnnn..." |
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* jwagner |
offers owen a desk to hide under |
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owen |
I've got a great hiding-under desk! |
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If I had a nice mat I could nap under it |
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schuster |
http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]blionumber=267697 - you already have a series heading in the display... |
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chris_n |
wonderful memories... the days when we were able to take naps; if my kids could know what I do, they'd love taking naps |
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jwagner |
I've been lobbying for a nap room for years, at various jobs. No luck. Of course, I also once proposed to turn the rare book room into a staff spa complete with jacuzzi.... |
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chris_n |
hehe |
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schuster |
OK looking at your cataloging wizzyrea - and that bib oh my... creative cataloging 101... in the series heading. |
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* wizzyrea |
points to Sharon and Heather. They are the ones who train on that. |
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schuster |
I can also see you are anxiously awaiting as I am for the bib merge tool! |
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wizzyrea |
yep. |
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schuster |
http://koha-community.org/docu[…]-manual/?ch=x8278 nengard / wizzyrea - in reading this should "item" really be "Title"? as it doesn't track items per say as it keeps lists of Titles. |
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nengard |
i can change it |
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* wizzyrea |
only puts the manual on the web ;) |
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wizzyrea |
nengard writes it :D |
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nengard |
git updated |
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wajasu |
there sure are lots of systems being integrated. are we heading into an N-to-N integration problem? where a change to a biib or item, requires code changes in lots of modules? |
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maybe there should be plans for some sort of ESB(enterprise service bus) or message bus that modules can listen on to decouple things. anyone thinking about that these days? |
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schuster |
Thank you Ladies. |
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cait |
hi #koha |
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CGI480 |
Hello |
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wizzyrea |
hi |
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CGI480 |
have an query |
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wizzyrea |
go ahead :) |
| 17:01 |
CGI480 |
what computer language is Koha developed on |
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wizzyrea |
Perl |
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CGI480 |
we are planning to use Koha for a client |
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who needs a library management system |
| 17:02 |
wizzyrea |
you may want to check out the official website for Koha at http://www.koha-community.org |
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lots of info there |
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wizzyrea |
hi kmkale |
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I have bad news, I don't think your patch went through :( |
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CGI480 |
since we are .Net guys we want to stay within .net so that we can modify the stuff that we want to |
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wizzyrea |
Ah |
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yea, Koha doesn't go there. |
| 17:05 |
CGI480 |
oh |
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okay, thanks for the info. |
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wizzyrea |
sure thing :) |
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CGI480 |
are you aware of some product htat you can suggest using .Net ? |
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wizzyrea |
not FOSS |
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that I know of |
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cait |
dont know one |
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wizzyrea |
ILS's in general don't go .NET (that I am aware of) |
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CGI480 |
:( |
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wizzyrea |
lots of java, C, Perl, and PHP |
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kmkale |
hi wizzyrea |
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hi all |
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CGI480 |
okay thanks for the info |
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kmkale |
whew!!! back up on ubuntu |
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wizzyrea |
sure thing :) |
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kmkale |
had to reinstall grub after upgrade to lucid |
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wizzyrea |
owch |
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zico |
hi |
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i am facing problem with barcode generation |
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our koha can generate barcode of english titles |
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kmkale |
chris_n: i read in the irc log that my email never reached anybody. true still? |
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zico |
but, if we go for Bangla lanugage barcode generation... pdf file shows ... "Unable to read" |
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nengard |
wizzyrea i was wrong before - git is updated now - it wasn't before - anyway -is the script running nightly? |
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kmkale |
zico i remember reading somewhere its a bug in the perl module. I am unable to generate barcode in Marathi or Hindi |
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I use Kbarcode |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: did the patch mail reach you? |
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wizzyrea |
sunday, actually |
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I can run it anytime though |
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want me to update it? |
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(also, did you see the french manual?) |
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nengard |
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nengard |
wizzyrea - no need to update now |
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still writing |
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but maybe tomorrow would be good |
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nengard |
and yes i saw the french!! :) |
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also - I updated the French so you shouldn't have errors anymore |
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wizzyrea |
who was it that helped with that script to update? he was polish |
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super nice guy, and I CANNOT remember his name |
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ah ok will fetch french too. |
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* wizzyrea |
resolves to get a master script that does all of the manuals |
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nengard |
that would be ideal :) |
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of course only English and French are actively being worked on |
| 17:14 |
cait |
Ropuch |
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nengard |
I have volunteers for the others but they're not actually working on it yet - not that I cna see |
| 17:14 |
wizzyrea |
YES |
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thanks you |
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cait |
nengard: guilty |
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nengard |
:) hehe |
| 17:15 |
cait |
and I have to go through this ssh key thing again :( |
| 17:15 |
nengard |
cait actually you just send gmcharlt the same thing you sent hdl |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: no, it hasn't shown up |
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nengard |
you don't have ot do it again |
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that's what i ddi |
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did |
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I can't type today |
| 17:15 |
cait |
me too :) |
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nengard |
cait if you'd rather you can always start the edits and just email me the file once in a while and i'll take care of the git part |
| 17:16 |
cait |
spend all free time on distance study and no time at work for translating the manual right now |
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nengard |
got it! |
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no prob |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: how do I test my git-email setup? |
| 17:16 |
cait |
but we will write some German documentation for serials soon and put it in our wiki |
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nengard: thx -will remember you :) never pushed to a git repo |
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nengard |
send us the link when it's done and I'll add it to the 'Other docs' page on the site |
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cait of course you do have to pull the files down from the repo before starting |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: first let's try testing your basic mail config |
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try the following |
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cat README |mailx -s "test message" gmcharltgmail.com |
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where README is any text file that is OK for me to see |
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kmkale |
k |
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cait |
http://wiki.bsz-bw.de/doku.php[…]ha-handbuch:start |
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it still needs a ton of work and updates |
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we dont explain configuration and its a bit special because its for ourl ibraries that use our union catalog for cataloging, not koha |
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chris_n |
zico kmkale: the issue with barcodes has as its root a fundamental problem with how the pdf standard handles glifs, etc. The code in the perl modules could be fixed, but it will take a great deal of time |
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cait |
nengard: pull is no problem, I already figured out how to do that :) |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: |
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The program 'mailx' can be found in the following packages: |
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* chris_n |
wonders if it would not be better to write a module to handle printing from koha rather than having the browser do it, but that presents issues as well |
| 17:19 |
kmkale |
* heirloom-mailx |
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* mailutils |
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Try: sudo apt-get install <selected package> |
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chris_n: i remember reading its a problem of some perl module Koha uses so its really deeper than Koha. correct? |
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chris_n |
both to some extent, but the standard is the more costly problem |
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zico |
chris_n kmkale: is there any option to handle this? |
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i mean.. we have 10,000 Bangla books in our library, many of them are really rare! |
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so.. it is very necessary for us |
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chris_n |
atz and I had some conversation on this awhile back on the list and the issues were presented there |
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zico: kmkale says kbarcode will do the trick |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: I have sendmail running on localhost |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: in that case, see what |
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sudo mailq |
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tells you |
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chris_n |
zico: I've never used it and it requires some extra leg work as I understand, but many do use it |
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kmkale |
k |
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chris_n |
zico: search the list archives |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: both client and MTA ques empty with total requests zero |
| 17:24 |
zico |
kbarcode?? as far as i can understand.. this is third party software from kde.. right? |
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kmkale |
zico: correct |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: ok, try installing mailutils and do the mailx |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: i have just installed mailx from mailutils and sent a mail with the cat command you gave |
| 17:25 |
gmcharlt |
kmkale: ok, I"ll let you know if I get it |
| 17:25 |
kmkale |
gmcharlt: please and thanks.. |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: hasn't shown up; I'll ping you if it does, but I suspect that it got hung up somehwere |
| 17:33 |
zico |
chris_n: can u please bring me any link regarding this pdf issue? i searched with "pdf + bangla language" in mailing archive |
| 17:33 |
gmcharlt |
in meantime, you can sftp your patch off your server, then send it to the patches list as an attachment |
| 17:33 |
zico |
but, didnot find anything |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: I have attached it to the bug report for bug 4440 |
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munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4440 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Adding feature to print fines/fees receipts |
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chris_n |
zico: http://www.mail-archive.com/ko[…]org/msg02764.html (note it is still a low priority project for me) |
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vickiteal |
Hey folks. I have another meeting prior to the community handoff meeting. I hope to be back, but may be late. |
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nengard |
gmcharlt do you know if the template for the patron privacy setting has been pushed yet? |
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gmcharlt |
nengard: not yet, it's on my list |
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nengard |
no prob - just making sure I'm not missing it |
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owen |
What setting blocks the librarian from checking out to a patron with XX amount in fines? |
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nm, found it: noissuescharge |
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owen |
I have a question about uploading a barcode file to batch item mod |
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What format is expected? |
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One barcode per line? |
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CSV? |
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chris |
one barcode per line |
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owen |
Hi chris. Neither one is working for me |
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chris |
if you just type in the box, one barcode per line .. it does though? |
| 18:37 |
owen |
Yes |
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Let me test in an unmodified branch before I go crying wolf. |
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* owen |
has been tweaking the template |
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owen |
No, same results |
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chris |
the code does look like it expects one barcode per line |
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ahh actually |
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do you have radio buttons to choose the type of file? |
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owen |
Yes |
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chris |
and barcode file is chosen eh? |
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owen |
Yes |
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chris |
right im out of silly questions |
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cait |
not sure I can stay awake till meeting time |
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chris |
:( |
| 18:45 |
cait |
will try :) |
| 18:45 |
owen |
Itemnumber upload works fine |
| 18:45 |
cait |
just very tired |
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nengard |
it did work in a previous version because I did it for documentation |
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chris |
ohhh interesting owen |
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* chris_n |
hands cait coffee |
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cait |
thx chris_n |
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chris |
nengard: can you remember about when you tested it? |
| 18:51 |
owen |
Hmmm... Making items "lost" through the batch mod interface doesn't remove them from the patron's account and add a charge |
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nengard |
months ago |
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when it first was added |
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owen - sounds like a not good bug to me |
| 18:51 |
owen |
Yeah :( |
| 18:52 |
chris |
yep, that needs a bug filed |
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chris_n |
regressions-- |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: it is not a regression on a feature. It is a lack of specification in what "marking item lost" should do |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: i found smtp connectoins from my ip are being refused by both gmail and yahoo ( correctly :( as its a dsl connection) thats may be why it never reached you. |
| 18:54 |
owen |
there is an established outcome based on the behavior of the interface on moredetail.pl |
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gmcharlt |
kmkale: sound likely; you'll have to find somebody to relay mail for you |
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chris_n |
hdl_laptop: I was referring to the fact the upload of a barcode file worked at one time and now does not |
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kmkale |
gmcharlt: but now that I am trying to put in my company smtp server details in git config and do git send-email I get a Command unknown: 'AUTH' at /usr/lib/git-core/git-send-email line 981, <FIN> line 4. |
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hdl_laptop |
owen: Is this behaviour "centralised" in C4/Items.pm ? |
| 18:56 |
kmkale |
any hint? |
| 18:56 |
chris_n |
kmkale: could it be your isp blocking those ports? |
| 18:56 |
hdl_laptop |
Is it also done on additem.pl ? |
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coherence problem |
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kmkale |
chris_n : no I can telnet and get the standard smtp greeting |
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any hints on " Command unknown: 'AUTH' at /usr/lib/git-core/git-send-email line 981, <FIN> line 4. " ?? |
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DRULM |
Hello. |
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Starting at 3pm I assume. |
| 18:58 |
chris_n |
kmkale: not sure on that one |
| 18:58 |
gmcharlt |
DRULM: correct |
| 18:58 |
owen |
hdl_laptop: True, when setting the status via the additem interface I don't have the same expectation |
| 18:58 |
larsw |
kmkale, http://freerelay.err.no/ may also be useful for relaying purposes |
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hdl_laptop |
owen: why so ? |
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sekjal |
I'm doing some enhancements of Auth_with_ldap which require another perl module to be installed. it is fortunately debian packaged. where else should I update this information besides install-misc/debian.packages? |
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gmcharlt |
sekjal: about.pl, Makefile.PL |
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at least until chris_n finishes his Koha dependency registry |
| 19:01 |
owen |
hdl_laptop: It's entirely subjective, sloppy reasoning probably. |
| 19:01 |
sekjal |
thanks, gmcharlt. on it! |
| 19:01 |
owen |
hdl_laptop: Setting a lost status should have the same effect anywhere unless the interface offers alternatives |
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nengard |
owen i get is - if i'm adding an item why would it be lost? and if i'm adding a lost item to the collection for some strange reason then i can assume that it's not checked out by a patron |
| 19:02 |
chris_n |
kmkale: the only thing I find suggests just setting sendmail.smtpserver and nothing else |
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chris_n |
ie. let it prompt you for your un/passwd |
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larsw |
sekjal, you could also patch debian/control with the new dependency |
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gmcharlt |
looks like it's 19:00 UTC+0 |
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hdl_laptop |
nengard: additem.pl can be used also as a update |
| 19:03 |
gmcharlt |
so let's get starte |
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hdl_laptop |
hi |
| 19:03 |
gmcharlt |
page for meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10may04 |
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current agenda is |
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1. |
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Welcomes and introductions. |
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2. |
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Report on Subcommittee |
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3. |
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Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains. |
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4. |
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Possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations. |
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5. |
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Next issues if negotiations have concluded. |
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6. |
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Agree time of next meeting. |
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so let's start with roll-call |
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* gmcharlt |
= Galen Charlton, 3.2 release manager, Equinox |
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* owen |
= Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 19:03 |
* nengard |
= Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions & Documentation Manager |
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magnus_away |
Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 19:03 |
Nate |
Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions |
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* wizzyrea |
Liz Rea Northeast Kansas Library System |
| 19:04 |
chris_n |
chris_n = Chris Nighswonger, 3.2 release maintainer, FBC |
| 19:04 |
sekjal |
Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:04 |
Colin |
Colin Campbell, PTFS Europe Ltd. |
| 19:04 |
vickiteal |
Vicki Teal Lovely, South Central Library System, Madison, WI |
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* reed |
Reed Wade, Catalyst, IT, NZ |
| 19:04 |
* chris |
= Chris Cormack, Catalyst IT, 3.2 translation manager, 3.4 Release manager |
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* hdl_laptop |
3.0 release maintainer, BibLibre |
| 19:04 |
jransom |
phew .. |
| 19:04 |
vokalr |
vokalr = Richard Pritsky, Tech Director, vokal |
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DRULM |
Darrell Ulm, SMFPL |
| 19:04 |
jransom |
Joann Ransom. Horowhenua Library Trust |
| 19:04 |
* cait |
Katrin Fischer, Germany |
| 19:04 |
* larsw |
= Lars Wirzenius, Catalyst IT, NZ, currently working on Koha Debian packaging |
| 19:04 |
collum |
Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library, KY |
| 19:05 |
* robin-home |
is robin sheat @ catalyst it, helping Chris |
| 19:05 |
cm |
Cindy Murdock Ames, CCFLS |
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ksundin |
kelly sundin, california institute of integral studies |
| 19:06 |
rhcl |
Greg Lawson, Rolling Hills Consolidated Library |
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| 19:07 |
chris |
Bob Birchall sends his apologies |
| 19:07 |
joetho |
Joe Tholen -Tech Coordinator - SEKLS - Kansas |
| 19:08 |
johnindy |
John Long Net admin Independence Public Library- kansas |
| 19:08 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
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latecomers feel free to chime in with intros |
| 19:08 |
kmkale |
Koustubha Kale Anant Corporation and Granthalaya.org |
| 19:09 |
gmcharlt |
next agenda item: |
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2. Report on Subcommittee |
| 19:09 |
jransom |
th eblog post on the koha-community.org site was fairly complete |
| 19:09 |
wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]ssions-with-ptfs/ |
| 19:11 |
jransom |
I'm happy to answer any questions people have |
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DRULM |
Any progress, or still the same? |
| 19:11 |
jransom |
as I'm the entire committee is - we acted together throughout, agreeing on words and courses of action |
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jransom |
no contact other than Kelly's post which I fear was very poorly judged |
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can someone postthe link to that one here toplease |
| 19:13 |
nengard |
http://www.liblime.com/news/liblime-thoughts |
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reed |
is there anyone here who can speak for PTFS? |
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| 19:14 |
owen |
PTFS doesn't speak for itself on IRC |
| 19:14 |
genji |
greetings all |
| 19:14 |
chris |
genji: we are in the community meeting so you might like to intro yourself |
| 19:15 |
richard |
sorry, for being late - richard from katipo |
| 19:15 |
genji |
uh... drat.... when did it start? |
| 19:15 |
chris |
13 mins ago |
| 19:15 |
genji |
wheres the log? |
| 19:15 |
jransom |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2010-05-04 for what you've missed |
| 19:15 |
genji |
Thanks. |
| 19:16 |
owen |
No questions for jransom? |
| 19:16 |
nengard |
sounds to me the posts in question answer both the 1st & 2nd agenda items |
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both were very clear |
| 19:16 |
jransom |
ok - well I guess thats the report from the cubcom done |
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* owen |
agrees |
| 19:16 |
joetho |
The failed conference call was unfortunate. |
| 19:17 |
chris |
for the record the nz tm application still is in place, ie has not been withdrawn .. so nothing has changed |
| 19:17 |
joetho |
However, it seemed doomed from the start. |
| 19:17 |
owen |
PTFS failed to agree to terms for a call which would maintain openness, as I understand it |
| 19:17 |
genji |
Hi, Im Waylon Robertson, 33rd committer to Koha, currently developer for mandumah.com, an arabic digital archive library. |
| 19:17 |
jransom |
I increasingly felt that it would be counter productive |
| 19:18 |
rhcl |
so what, if anything, does the community need to do at this point? |
| 19:18 |
chris |
release alpha2 |
| 19:18 |
joetho |
It seemed that way to me too, as an outsider looking in. |
| 19:18 |
chris |
oh wait, we just did |
| 19:18 |
owen |
I appreciate all who refused to sign an NDA just they could talk to PTFS |
| 19:18 |
chris |
:) |
| 19:18 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 19:18 |
nengard |
+1 |
| 19:18 |
wizzyrea |
+! |
| 19:18 |
genji |
... |
| 19:18 |
wizzyrea |
+1, even |
| 19:18 |
joetho |
The NDA was ridiculous. |
| 19:19 |
genji |
NDA, just so one could talk? |
| 19:19 |
vokalr |
+! |
| 19:19 |
chris |
i think it needs to be stated the NDA was prior to the conference call |
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that was with individual people |
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in discussions going back months |
| 19:19 |
joetho |
but - moving forward - how to deal with this? |
| 19:19 |
gmcharlt |
correct, the NDA was not meant as a condition for discussion between PTFS and the Koha subcommitee collecitvely |
| 19:20 |
chris |
i was only semi joking when i said release alpha2 |
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| 19:20 |
joetho |
initiate communication between PTFS CEO and ... _____________ (who?) |
| 19:20 |
nengard |
I'm with Chris - to move forward we just do - we continue to do what we're doing |
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continue adding content to the new official site and keep working on pushing koha 3.2 out |
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| 19:21 |
joetho |
I wonder if it would help to have a single person attempt communication with the Koha trademark holder? |
| 19:21 |
genji |
Well, it seems PTFS doesn't understand that Koha is biggerr than HLT? |
| 19:21 |
rhcl |
Would somebody from NZ care to comment briefly on the meaning of PTFS's NZ trademark app? |
| 19:21 |
jransom |
george: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2010-05-04 |
| 19:21 |
vickiteal |
I agree on moving forward, but also as Joanna posted, it was the Committee that canceled the call. |
| 19:21 |
owen |
I agree... Koha will move forward without PTFS. But: Is there something more we can do to fight the trademark application? |
| 19:21 |
chris |
Joann vickiteal |
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-a |
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vickiteal |
Sorry Joann! |
| 19:21 |
jransom |
sorry - with goeorge on phone |
| 19:22 |
joetho |
I think there is a process to contest trademark applications in the United States- something similar in NZ? |
| 19:22 |
chris |
yes, the call was cancelled, i think we have been clear with the reasons why |
| 19:22 |
jransom |
my apologies |
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Georeg Sue is here now - Chair, HLT |
| 19:22 |
owen |
Pointing at who canceled the call isn't helpful IMO |
| 19:22 |
joetho |
agree w owen |
| 19:22 |
chris_n |
and is beside the point as the reasoning was sound |
| 19:22 |
chris |
joetho: if it is accepted in NZ |
| 19:22 |
Nate |
Here in the US, assets held by indegenous (sp) cultures are held very close to those cultures |
| 19:22 |
chris |
joetho: then we have 3 months to object |
| 19:22 |
chilts |
oopse, missed the start ... Andrew Chilton, Catalyst IT :) |
| 19:23 |
jransom |
we get to challenge the application |
| 19:23 |
chris |
joetho: and we will |
| 19:23 |
Nate |
so if the Maori were made aware of this application they may be interested in taking action |
| 19:23 |
genji |
And have us in the papers... |
| 19:23 |
jransom |
we have spoken to the Ministrty of Maori affairs already |
| 19:23 |
Nate |
just a thought? |
| 19:23 |
gmcharlt |
Nate: that is a standard part of NZ trademark review, as I understand |
| 19:23 |
jransom |
yes it is |
| 19:23 |
chris |
it would nice to not have to waste time and money |
| 19:23 |
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though |
| 19:23 |
joetho |
irc log for today, current within a minute or two: http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]g/koha/2010-05-04 |
| 19:24 |
genji |
trademark challenges are a popular thing to appear in the dominion post, especially david vs goliath, indigenous vs overseas use. |
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| 19:24 |
jransom |
Sharon thought it would be a very interesting story for Wired or some Tech magazine |
| 19:24 |
chris |
yeah going after a small library trust in nz factor too .. it wont be good pres |
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s |
| 19:25 |
joetho |
I would interpret the NZ trademark application as a very ominous sign of PTFS plans. |
| 19:25 |
owen |
Anyone consider the possibility of challenging the trademark in the US as well? |
| 19:25 |
jransom |
showing how an open source community and project can be the victim of a takeover by some corportae who wants it |
| 19:25 |
* gmcharlt |
points out that the NZ trademark application was not made by PTFS |
| 19:25 |
chris |
jransom: it cant be |
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thats the point |
| 19:25 |
nengard |
owen if they only have 3 months in NZ to contest - I'm sure there is something similar here in the US |
| 19:25 |
jransom |
I had an email from someone - its about $2kUSD to cghallenge |
| 19:25 |
gmcharlt |
but by Metavore prior to the assumption of LibLime by PTFS |
| 19:25 |
chris |
yep |
| 19:25 |
rhcl |
agree with joetho |
| 19:25 |
chris_n |
owen: SFLC was consulted on that |
| 19:26 |
jransom |
so has PTFS 'purchased' that application or not |
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and we will never know |
| 19:26 |
genji |
when liblime brought Koha division... was there any sign that this could happen, before katipo? |
| 19:26 |
jransom |
advice was a challenge would fail |
| 19:26 |
joetho |
I was thinking of the US trademark issue this morning. Wondered how that relates to the general Koha license |
| 19:26 |
rhcl |
thd was working with some OS people--and then that was put on hold |
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should that be restarted? |
| 19:26 |
genji |
.. before katipo signed... sorry.. |
| 19:26 |
chris_n |
SFLC thought the US trademark would not be succesfully challenged |
| 19:27 |
jransom |
I have come round to thinking it doesn't matter. The koha community is fiercely defending our right to operate our project as we choose |
| 19:27 |
joetho |
what about some other organization ALSO applying for the Koha tm in NZ ? |
| 19:27 |
chris |
i agree, i think the ball is in ptfs' court |
| 19:27 |
joetho |
that would certainly force the issue |
| 19:27 |
jransom |
if PTFS threaten to sue us they look worse than they do (which cant be good for business) and we rename and keep moving forward |
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the world will not stop turning |
| 19:27 |
genji |
joetho: HLT already is. |
| 19:27 |
vokalr |
Yes, that's what I'm wondering: what happens to us if they get a trademark? |
| 19:28 |
chris |
vokalr: PTFS have US trademark already |
| 19:28 |
jransom |
We have filed a counter application in NZ for Koha |
| 19:28 |
vokalr |
And what does that do to us? |
| 19:28 |
genji |
oh wait... in nz. sorry. |
| 19:28 |
jransom |
we have used it for 10 years remember |
| 19:28 |
* genji |
is half asleep.. |
| 19:28 |
chris_n |
vokalr: not much |
| 19:28 |
chris |
vokalr: nothing unless they try to enforce it |
| 19:28 |
chris_n |
and even then it might be doubtful that enforcement on the koha project would be successful |
| 19:29 |
jransom |
court of public opinion cricifys them |
| 19:29 |
chris |
the way i see it, we need to stop thinking talking about ptfs/lek |
| 19:29 |
vokalr |
And when they try to enforce it, does that mean we just have to change the name? |
| 19:29 |
chris_n |
due to long-standing acceptance of usage by the trademark holder |
| 19:29 |
jransom |
(did you like that spelling :) |
| 19:29 |
chris |
and just continue to move on with koha-community.org |
| 19:29 |
owen |
chris: I just want to make sure we're doing what we can on the remaining open fronts, like the TM. |
| 19:29 |
larsw |
if PTFS does not enforce their US trademark against us, they risk losing the trademark; if they do enforce it, we may have to change the name, but PTFS gets lots of bad publicity, we get lots of sympathy; win/win |
| 19:30 |
jransom |
ultimately we may which will be sad but not the end of the world |
| 19:30 |
vokalr |
So it's bau. |
| 19:30 |
richard |
i think so |
| 19:30 |
wizzyrea |
the ultimate goal is to make great software, right? |
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regardless of the name? |
| 19:30 |
joetho |
I am not particularly familiar with ins and outs of the GNU license, but *surely* there is some protection there? |
| 19:30 |
jransom |
thats my thinking |
| 19:30 |
sekjal |
now that the conference call is no longer happening, is communication between PTFS and the Committee staled? |
| 19:30 |
vokalr |
The code is still open |
| 19:30 |
chris |
sekjal: yes, there has been no further communicaton |
| 19:30 |
joetho |
how about "Joe-ha"? |
| 19:30 |
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I like it. |
| 19:30 |
gmcharlt |
sekjal: at this point, yes, but we remain open to a discussion with PTFS |
| 19:30 |
larsw |
joetho, GPL provides no protections related to trademarks |
| 19:31 |
vickiteal |
I agree, isn't the code the important thing. |
| 19:31 |
jransom |
pTFS are absolutely welcome to comunicate with the community as every other vendor does |
| 19:31 |
vickiteal |
You have already established koha-community.org as a successful web site. |
| 19:31 |
* chris_n |
hoped they might show up at this meeting |
| 19:31 |
robin-home |
Remaining to "kia kaha" wouldn't be the end of the world:) |
| 19:31 |
vokalr |
Whatever it changes to, I need it to start w/ a K so I don't have to change vokal |
| 19:31 |
sekjal |
from the committee's point of view, what is required from PTFS to make a dialogue happen? |
| 19:31 |
jransom |
lol |
| 19:31 |
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I like it! |
| 19:31 |
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kia kaha = be strong |
| 19:31 |
rhcl |
kia is a korean kar. maybe not so good? |
| 19:32 |
chris_n |
lol |
| 19:32 |
rhcl |
trademark, and kia is not a very good car either |
| 19:32 |
wizzyrea |
kaha = strong? |
| 19:32 |
vokalr |
kaha! Yes! |
| 19:32 |
joetho |
A name change seems drastic. |
| 19:32 |
jransom |
we invited PTFS to try and agree on the things we could agree with via email |
| 19:32 |
gmcharlt |
sekjal: written update on one of the top four issues - NZ traemark, for instance, could be easily disposed of |
| 19:32 |
jransom |
too early i think |
| 19:33 |
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i can't see what PTFS have to gain by alienating the entire koha world |
| 19:33 |
rhcl |
really |
| 19:33 |
genji |
i might say, that kia can be reused..... Koha itself has many trademarks under its name. its even a new zealand wine. |
| 19:33 |
gmcharlt |
but in the meantime, I think focus should be on 3.2, then 3.4 |
| 19:33 |
chris |
++ |
| 19:33 |
wizzyrea |
++ |
| 19:33 |
hdl_laptop |
++ |
| 19:33 |
chris_n |
++ |
| 19:33 |
nengard |
++ |
| 19:33 |
larsw |
++ |
| 19:33 |
richard |
++ |
| 19:33 |
vokalr |
++ |
| 19:33 |
sekjal |
++ |
| 19:33 |
jransom |
I agree |
| 19:33 |
wizzyrea |
< just wants to help make a great ILS |
| 19:33 |
jransom |
we have been very honest with PTFS - not wasting their time. |
| 19:33 |
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there are things we can talk about - and others we can't |
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there are things which are bottom lines |
| 19:34 |
nengard |
that said this meeting is supposed to be the handover meeting - so my question is - is the handover done? It seems that we have transferred what needs to be transferred |
| 19:34 |
wizzyrea |
yea, status of other web presences? |
| 19:34 |
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k-c.org is up... what about the wiki/bugs/git? |
| 19:34 |
gmcharlt |
git.koha-community.org is up and running |
| 19:34 |
chris |
bugs.koha-community.org is up |
| 19:34 |
gmcharlt |
seems to be stable, and has git statistics |
| 19:34 |
nengard |
wiki.koha-community.org is up :) |
| 19:35 |
jransom |
woo hoo |
| 19:35 |
gmcharlt |
transition to that will just need instructions |
| 19:35 |
wizzyrea |
well |
| 19:35 |
owen |
Oh bugs are migrated too? |
| 19:35 |
reed |
mailing list pages |
| 19:35 |
chris |
i have done test migration |
| 19:35 |
gmcharlt |
no, bugs are not yet migrated |
| 19:35 |
jransom |
the new manual? |
| 19:35 |
nengard |
manual has been up for a while |
| 19:35 |
gmcharlt |
but will take a bit more organization to migrate |
| 19:35 |
chris |
jransom: the new manual was done ages ago |
| 19:35 |
wizzyrea |
http://koha-community.org/documentation/ |
| 19:35 |
jransom |
so what is left to transfer? |
| 19:35 |
wizzyrea |
in english AND french ;) |
| 19:35 |
chris |
the bugs are all backed up |
| 19:35 |
sekjal |
contribs? |
| 19:35 |
gmcharlt |
since we'll need to get user accounts set up |
| 19:35 |
nengard |
and by done chris means in it's new home - but not completely written yet :) hehe |
| 19:35 |
gmcharlt |
sekjal: contribs just needs a host, but is small |
| 19:36 |
chris |
lists.koha-community.org points to a new biblibre host |
| 19:36 |
wizzyrea |
we could probably do contribs on KLOW |
| 19:36 |
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if I can get a DNS name for it |
| 19:36 |
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as a sub site of k-c |
| 19:36 |
chris |
we need a volunteer for download.koha-community.org |
| 19:36 |
chris_n |
think bandwidth |
| 19:36 |
* wizzyrea |
hides |
| 19:37 |
richard |
i'll check with si to see what he thinks about that |
| 19:37 |
gmcharlt |
I think we'll just need a relatively inexpensive FTP host |
| 19:37 |
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and perhaps mirrors on a couple conteintents |
| 19:37 |
schuster |
David Schuster - Plano ISD |
| 19:38 |
chris |
wizzyrea: i can do dns for ya |
| 19:38 |
larsw |
what's download.koha-community.org for? the release tarballs? |
| 19:38 |
chris |
larsw: yes |
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wizzyrea: talk after the meeting :) |
| 19:38 |
hdl_laptop |
could be with debain packages |
| 19:38 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: hosting is ready for the debina packages |
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| 19:39 |
chris |
ah yes debian.koha-community.org is being set up |
| 19:39 |
genji |
as a true debian repository i can apt-get on? |
| 19:39 |
chris |
yes |
| 19:39 |
genji |
Sweet! |
| 19:39 |
vokalr |
Yay! |
| 19:40 |
larsw |
any idea of the bandwidth required for download.k-c.org? |
| 19:40 |
chris |
not sure, ptfs could tell us :-) |
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| 19:40 |
chilts |
heh |
| 19:41 |
joetho |
Invite support vendors to provide mirrors? |
| 19:41 |
chris |
bandwidth is stupid expensive in nz |
| 19:41 |
jransom |
Hi biglego, we are in a meeting. would you like to identify yourself |
| 19:41 |
chris |
at lesat international transit is |
| 19:41 |
larsw |
mirroring is good, but introduces complexity: start with one, then add mirrors if necessary? |
| 19:41 |
fredericd |
Frédéric Demians, Tamil -- good evening, or so |
| 19:42 |
gmcharlt |
larsw: makes sense |
| 19:42 |
jransom |
we could invite vendors to host mirrors |
| 19:42 |
Nate |
I will speak with Brendan about ByWater being of assistance if needed |
| 19:42 |
jransom |
even 1 goes bad it doesn't matter |
| 19:42 |
chris |
jransom: larsw just answered that :-) |
| 19:42 |
gmcharlt |
to bring this meeting round again - I think we're getting situated regarding koha-community.org services |
| 19:42 |
chris |
yep |
| 19:42 |
brendan |
Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions (late to the show - but I've caught up) |
| 19:43 |
gmcharlt |
and I should point out that the new websites are not just alternatives, but in many cases have additional or upgraded features from the current koha.org ones |
| 19:43 |
chris_n |
it might be good to provide some emailkoha-community.org for elected koha community positions |
| 19:43 |
nengard |
like the bugs site no longer has the ugly bug on it :) hehe |
| 19:43 |
hdl_laptop |
where is translate.koha-community.org ? |
| 19:43 |
chris |
yeah bugs is a much newer versio |
| 19:43 |
jransom |
(the new website is just great - kudos to all involved) |
| 19:43 |
chris |
and accepts formated email |
| 19:44 |
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to update and create bugs |
| 19:44 |
gmcharlt |
e.g., bugs.koha-community.org has the latest stable release of bugzilla, which ... drumroll ... had some scientific UI testing done on it |
| 19:44 |
wizzyrea |
we could set up a google apps domain for that... it'd be free |
| 19:44 |
chris_n |
yup |
| 19:44 |
hdl_laptop |
up and running to. |
| 19:44 |
Nate |
Have we spoken at all about the promotion of the new site? |
| 19:44 |
chris |
yep, fredericd has been working on that hdl_laptop |
| 19:44 |
Nate |
ie having funds set aside for marketing etc.. |
| 19:44 |
hdl_laptop |
good |
| 19:44 |
wizzyrea |
nate: not formally |
| 19:44 |
gmcharlt |
Nate: usage is the best promotion |
| 19:44 |
brendan |
gmcharlt++ #excellent point many of these services will be better with the upgrades to software |
| 19:45 |
nengard |
Nate the new site is already on the 1st page of results on Google - a few more links to it and I bet it will move up :) |
| 19:45 |
larsw |
link to the new site whenever mentioning Koha |
| 19:45 |
wizzyrea |
yes, they have all gotten some much needed love |
| 19:45 |
* wizzyrea |
has been watching fairly carefully the google analytics for k-c.org |
| 19:45 |
wizzyrea |
and putzing about the webmaster tools |
| 19:45 |
fredericd |
reversly, is there any service still on koha.org domain? wiki? |
| 19:45 |
wizzyrea |
all are still up |
| 19:46 |
schuster |
Do we need to "update" any of the documentation for entering enhancements or are the fields all ok etc. or has someone done that already? |
| 19:46 |
reed |
there does need to be a short simple updated explanation so casual visitors can understand whys and whats between k.o and k-c.or |
| 19:46 |
gmcharlt |
schuster: pointers will undoubted get updated as things get moved/copied over |
| 19:46 |
wizzyrea |
like this: http://koha-community.org/home/ |
| 19:47 |
chris_n |
shall I pursue setting up a google apps account for koha-community.org? |
| 19:47 |
reed |
wizzyrea, yeah, I guess that is still correct and complete |
| 19:47 |
brendan |
so when do we stop updating and posting to koha.org ? |
| 19:47 |
wizzyrea |
a couple of months ago :P |
| 19:47 |
chris |
the website? |
| 19:47 |
brendan |
not the website but the different sub domains |
| 19:47 |
wizzyrea |
oh, that, nm >.> |
| 19:47 |
brendan |
like wiki or git |
| 19:47 |
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of mailing lists |
| 19:47 |
* sekjal |
is currently writing up a bug report on bugs.koha.org |
| 19:47 |
brendan |
s/of/or |
| 19:48 |
genji |
what would google apps give us? |
| 19:48 |
wizzyrea |
we should set a cutoff date |
| 19:48 |
brendan |
+1 |
| 19:48 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 19:48 |
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genji: to provide some emailkoha-community.org for elected koha community positions |
| 19:48 |
gmcharlt |
genji: not necessarily anything we need - just need overall mail service, but perhaps can tie off of biblibre's management of the mailng lists for that? |
| 19:48 |
wizzyrea |
genji: in terms of email hosting? up to 50 accounts @ 7GB+ each |
| 19:48 |
hdl_laptop |
wizzyrea: for koha.org services ? |
| 19:48 |
schuster |
Do you have a timeframe for bugs.koha-community.org? Do we all have to reregister or??? |
| 19:48 |
wizzyrea |
yea |
| 19:49 |
genji |
ah... a replacement for domain hosted horde... |
| 19:49 |
chris |
i can migrate bugs any time after users are registered (using the same email address as on koha.org) |
| 19:49 |
hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: yes We can do that. |
| 19:49 |
wizzyrea |
so go do it... like, now. |
| 19:49 |
larsw |
chris, can you post an announcement to get people to register? |
| 19:50 |
wizzyrea |
:) |
| 19:50 |
chris |
can do, people agree that is a good idea? |
| 19:50 |
wizzyrea |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
owen |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
vokalr |
It just took me 30 seconds to register. |
| 19:50 |
cait |
what happens with bugs people do not reregister for? |
| 19:50 |
vokalr |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
chris |
i can do an announcement on the website and the mailing lists (koha + devel) |
| 19:50 |
nengard |
+1 (but I'd wait until all the content is moved - and we're supposed to start using it) |
| 19:50 |
sekjal |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
chris |
cait: they get assigned to me |
| 19:50 |
Nate |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
joetho |
will there be a problem with developers registering with a different email address than they used for old bugs? |
| 19:50 |
chris |
so please dont let that happen |
| 19:50 |
gmcharlt |
+1 |
| 19:50 |
cait |
chris: ah, ok |
| 19:50 |
chris |
joetho: if they do, their bugs get assigned to me |
| 19:50 |
gmcharlt |
joetho: the old email addresses will need to be used for the migration, but can be changed afterwards |
| 19:50 |
chris |
and i yell at them |
| 19:51 |
* chilts |
is collecting all the subdomains mentioned -> http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/498acf |
| 19:51 |
* chris_n |
sees chris's list getting big :) |
| 19:51 |
chilts |
so I know more ;) |
| 19:51 |
hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 19:51 |
wizzyrea |
(you don't want that) |
| 19:51 |
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(chris yelling at you) |
| 19:51 |
chris |
hehe |
| 19:51 |
schuster |
Let me know if there is something I can help you with chris. |
| 19:52 |
chris |
theres plenty ptfs customers can do |
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| 19:52 |
chris |
and i think they know what it is :) |
| 19:52 |
chris_n |
chilts: mail.koha-community.org perhaps |
| 19:52 |
genji |
who gets koha-community.org emails? |
| 19:52 |
gmcharlt |
schuster: you might want to ahve a go at checking out the new BZ now - there are some features that I think you'll like |
| 19:52 |
wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 19:52 |
* reed |
heads to the train |
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| 19:52 |
schuster |
I just registered.. |
| 19:52 |
wizzyrea |
was thinking of you when I saw it schuster |
| 19:52 |
chris |
cool :) |
| 19:52 |
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try out the sponsorship stuff |
| 19:53 |
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beware any bugs you put there, i will trash in the migraton |
| 19:53 |
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so dont put real stuff there yet |
| 19:53 |
wizzyrea |
so yea, we probably do need to update docs re: sponsoring |
| 19:53 |
schuster |
k - and several of us PTFS customers are doing what we can as you know. |
| 19:53 |
chris |
*nod* |
| 19:53 |
wizzyrea |
^^ |
| 19:53 |
chris |
that was a general statement |
| 19:54 |
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not directed at anyone in particular |
| 19:54 |
vickiteal |
Is there going to be a place to list events other than the calendar? |
| 19:54 |
gmcharlt |
vickiteal: there could be - what kind of place do you have in mind? |
| 19:54 |
nengard |
why do we need more than one place?e |
| 19:54 |
chris |
they all show in the events category |
| 19:54 |
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http://koha-community.org/category/events/ |
| 19:55 |
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like that vickiteal ? |
| 19:55 |
wizzyrea |
< is happy to do (almost) whatever anybody wants |
| 19:55 |
vickiteal |
I'm gonna have to think about what I want! Right now, you click on a date, right? |
| 19:55 |
wizzyrea |
not necessarily |
| 19:55 |
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you can also click on Events under categories |
| 19:55 |
nengard |
there is an RSS feed and a category page as well |
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| 19:56 |
vickiteal |
Thanks. I'll look around. |
| 19:56 |
chris |
http://koha-community.org/category/events/feed/ <-- rss feed for events |
| 19:56 |
nengard |
as for the new sites, do we just wait for an announcement before we start to use them? git and bugs etc etc |
| 19:57 |
vickiteal |
Thanks Chris. |
| 19:57 |
chris |
i thnk wiki start now |
| 19:57 |
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git start now |
| 19:57 |
nengard |
gmcharlt said we need instructions for git |
| 19:58 |
chris |
yeah if you dont know how to change remotes |
| 19:58 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: well, more that people in general will need instructions, but those who are already git experts will be fine |
| 19:58 |
nengard |
ah |
| 19:58 |
jransom |
A post to the discussion list and on the new k-c.org listing all the services now up and running sounds it might be a good idea |
| 19:58 |
wizzyrea |
update the git documentation |
| 19:58 |
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because it's mighty fine git documentation |
| 19:58 |
robin-home |
Sounds like a good use of the new wiki |
| 19:59 |
wizzyrea |
shame to waste it ;) |
| 19:59 |
chris |
ill do a post about bugs when i get to work |
| 19:59 |
schuster |
Is there anything in the new wiki? looks pretty blank? |
| 19:59 |
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| 19:59 |
wizzyrea |
nope, nothing in it yet |
| 19:59 |
nengard |
schuster nothing there yet |
| 19:59 |
wizzyrea |
or very little |
| 19:59 |
richard |
i think it's just there and ready to put stuff into |
| 19:59 |
gmcharlt |
schuster: yep, that's on purpose - part of the reason for doing it that way is to ensure that all wiki content is under the GPL2 |
| 19:59 |
larsw |
is there a grand plan for the new wiki content,or should we just add things ad hoc? |
| 19:59 |
chris |
what richard said |
| 19:59 |
nengard |
larsw i'd love to see some structure |
| 20:00 |
schuster |
So the minutes/agendas from this meeting for example should go there and then maybe a link from the old meeting site on the old wiki? |
| 20:00 |
nengard |
personally |
| 20:00 |
gmcharlt |
larsw: well, absent somebody else volunteering to be the wiki editor, I'd say just go for it |
| 20:00 |
* chris_n |
thinks thd was doing wiki engineering |
| 20:00 |
gmcharlt |
thd had volunteered, but doesn't have much time at the moment |
| 20:00 |
larsw |
nengard, do you have an outline for the structure? |
| 20:00 |
gmcharlt |
afaik |
| 20:00 |
owen |
chris_n: What does that mean? |
| 20:00 |
nengard |
I don't mind putting structure to the wiki |
| 20:00 |
wizzyrea |
well and there was that whole namespace discussion from a while back |
| 20:00 |
nengard |
larsw I don't have one yet |
| 20:00 |
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but I'll gladly add wiki editor to my doc manager duties |
| 20:01 |
gmcharlt |
nengard++ |
| 20:01 |
* wizzyrea |
doesn't know the details but it was quite an involved deal |
| 20:01 |
chris_n |
owen: aka working on setting up wiki structure |
| 20:01 |
brendan |
nengard++ |
| 20:01 |
wizzyrea |
I will help out with that, nengard |
| 20:01 |
schuster |
She must be a librarian that nengard... |
| 20:01 |
nengard |
if no one has any objects I'll start working on creating some top level pages for people to move content too |
| 20:01 |
chris_n |
it does seem to naturally fall to nengard's realm :) |
| 20:01 |
schuster |
Always wanting structure... |
| 20:01 |
wizzyrea |
to help maintain continuity between the website and the wiki |
| 20:02 |
chris_n |
wizzyrea++ |
| 20:02 |
wizzyrea |
and reduce duplication of effort >.> |
| 20:02 |
chilts |
chris: is this the current state of usage? http://paste.dollyfish.net.nz/db9485 |
| 20:02 |
gmcharlt |
reminder: ping me if you need shell access to the wiki server |
| 20:02 |
* chilts |
hopes that helps |
| 20:02 |
chris |
yes |
| 20:02 |
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that does help |
| 20:02 |
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contrib |
| 20:02 |
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is the other one |
| 20:03 |
wizzyrea |
contribs, yea |
| 20:03 |
* chilts |
adds |
| 20:03 |
chilts |
is that a 'use now' one? |
| 20:03 |
wizzyrea |
no, it's not ready |
| 20:03 |
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haven't even started it |
| 20:03 |
chris |
ditto for shell access to the bugzilla server |
| 20:03 |
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ping me |
| 20:03 |
larsw |
chilts, add that to the wiki? someone can then add exlanations for the purpose of each domain |
| 20:03 |
chilts |
heh |
| 20:03 |
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larsw: good idea :) |
| 20:03 |
wizzyrea |
very good idea |
| 20:03 |
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very glad you're on our team larsw :) |
| 20:03 |
* chilts |
goes in search of the wiki ... lol! |
| 20:04 |
chilts |
it's kinda self-recursion :) |
| 20:04 |
gmcharlt |
ok, so to bring this meeting to a close |
| 20:04 |
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is there a current need to schedule another meeting? |
| 20:04 |
chris |
i dont think so |
| 20:04 |
chris_n |
seems not |
| 20:05 |
gmcharlt |
or leave it until circumstances change? |
| 20:05 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
magnus_away |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
jransom |
if anything changes we can all a meeting |
| 20:05 |
richard |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
hdl_laptop |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
jransom |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
owen |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
rhcl |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
brendan |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
cait |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
vokalr |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
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magnus_away is now known as magnus |
| 20:05 |
collum |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
chris |
the rest can be discussed in the regular meetings |
| 20:05 |
Nate |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
joetho |
Here's hoping for good news. |
| 20:05 |
schuster |
+1 - hope springs eternal. |
| 20:05 |
Colin |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
joetho |
+1 |
| 20:05 |
gmcharlt |
ok, so noted |
| 20:05 |
vickiteal |
But, the door is open for further negotiation if both PTFS and the community agrees, right? |
| 20:05 |
gmcharlt |
vickiteal: yes |
| 20:06 |
chris |
i think ptfs are smart enough that they will do the right thing |
| 20:06 |
joetho |
absolutely |
| 20:06 |
chris |
vickiteal: it was never closed |
| 20:06 |
vickiteal |
Also, the koha.org issue is separate from development, right? |
| 20:06 |
gmcharlt |
vickiteal: entirely separate |
| 20:06 |
chilts |
hmm, I wonder if the front page is ok for that domain list? |
| 20:06 |
chris |
not by us, the same mechanisms that have served everyone else for 11 years are all still there |
| 20:06 |
vickiteal |
OK. Thanks. |
| 20:06 |
GeorgeSue |
thanks guys for all your inport:) |
| 20:06 |
gmcharlt |
any issues concerning LLEK are in the hands of PTFS and its customers at this point |
| 20:06 |
joetho |
Renaming seems drastic, to me, but it would certainly resolve a few issues |
| 20:06 |
gmcharlt |
I for one encourage release of it |
| 20:07 |
chris_n |
+1 |
| 20:07 |
joetho |
+1 |
| 20:07 |
gmcharlt |
but development of mainstream Koha will go on regardless |
| 20:07 |
chris |
i wouldnt support renaming unless forced to |
| 20:07 |
* magnus |
waves "good night" to the wonderful Koha-crowd |
| 20:07 |
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| 20:07 |
jransom |
me neither |
| 20:07 |
chris |
as an nzer of maori descent i find the propsect quite appalling |
| 20:07 |
joetho |
ok, define "forced to" |
| 20:07 |
chris |
trademark action is taken against us libraries or us support companies |
| 20:08 |
vickiteal |
My opinion, renaming is very premature. |
| 20:08 |
vokalr |
Agree |
| 20:08 |
jransom |
I agree absoluitely. |
| 20:08 |
chris |
and we get advice that we would lose the case |
| 20:08 |
jransom |
will be up to PTFS to make that happen |
| 20:08 |
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but there is no win for them long term so why would they? |
| 20:08 |
joetho |
And just how deep are their pockets for a suit like that? |
| 20:08 |
chris_n |
joetho: there are organization who provide legal counsel to foss projects for things like that as well |
| 20:09 |
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at no charge |
| 20:09 |
* chris_n |
must go vote (if only to secure whining rights) |
| 20:09 |
vickiteal |
I think talk of a suit is premature as well, my opinion. |
| 20:09 |
chris |
yeah, renaming is off the table barring circumstances changing imho |
| 20:09 |
gmcharlt |
vickiteal: agreed - no reason to invite trouble |
| 20:09 |
* wizzyrea |
likes the name we have |
| 20:09 |
joetho |
The vendor in question *may* be pondering these issues at this very moment. |
| 20:09 |
gmcharlt |
in any event, I declare this meeting closed |
| 20:09 |
vokalr |
I don't think it would be a good business decision on their part |
| 20:09 |
schuster |
Remember PTFS didn't actually file it originally... They have a lot on their plate to deal with and figure out what is going on... |
| 20:10 |
jransom |
of course - but PTFS are not stupid. |
| 20:10 |
joetho |
Schuster: I agree. Talk about "buying a pig in a poke" |
| 20:10 |
chris |
schuster: 19 days now .. 20 min phone call to get it pulled |
| 20:10 |
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(the nz one that is) |
| 20:10 |
chilts |
links on front page -> http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]dex.php/Main_Page |
| 20:10 |
jransom |
its probably 2 min phone call |
| 20:10 |
schuster |
Thanks all - look forward to the meeting tomorrow. Thanks for all the hard work on the 3.2(alpha2) |
| 20:10 |
chilts |
looks nice |
| 20:10 |
chris |
that excuse only stretches so far |
| 20:11 |
jransom |
Great working with everyone - thanks all :) |
| 20:11 |
vokalr |
Ciao! |
| 20:11 |
owen |
Thanks jransom |
| 20:11 |
joetho |
3.2 release is a pretty significant step forward. |
| 20:11 |
chris |
http://git.koha-community.org/[…]-master/tags.html |
| 20:11 |
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| 20:11 |
chris |
619 committs since alpha1 |
| 20:11 |
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| 20:11 |
chris |
great work all |
| 20:11 |
joetho |
And it represents billions of hours of work for which all of us are grateful., |
| 20:11 |
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| 20:12 |
* owen |
has contributed at least 1 billion hours just today |
| 20:12 |
genji |
so, chris, mandumah finally said yes to upgrading from 3rc1. So... whats my highest version to go to, 3.05? or something else? |
| 20:12 |
chilts |
heh |
| 20:12 |
brendan |
owen+ |
| 20:12 |
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owen++ |
| 20:12 |
* wizzyrea |
wonders what kind of quantum parallel universe Owen lives in |
| 20:12 |
chris |
maybe hold off for 3.2 release? |
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| 20:13 |
chris |
but 3.0.5 is the latest stable |
| 20:13 |
cm |
owen has a Time-Turner? ;) |
| 20:13 |
owen |
Man, I wish |
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I'd sleep until morning and turn it back for another night's sleep |
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chris |
heh |
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cm |
a tardis would be cooler. :) but i'd take either. |
| 20:14 |
* robin-home |
gets out of bed to hopefully get that migration script completed today (IRC meetings are handy :) |
| 20:15 |
genji |
right.. well... i can get my mods and my predecessors mods to 3rc1, gitted and then i can rebase, to 3.05... and later, i can just git to 3.2? |
| 20:15 |
gmcharlt |
genji: yep |
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* chilts |
gets up too |
| 20:15 |
chris |
yep time to get up and go to work |
| 20:15 |
chilts |
heh |
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richard |
heh |
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genji |
So... how do i get my mods into my own 3rc1, so i can rebase? |
| 20:16 |
cait |
time to sleep here :) |
| 20:16 |
gmcharlt |
genji: are you starting from a git clone? |
| 20:16 |
cait |
good night all |
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* chris |
heads off |
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jransom |
oh good lord - why doidn't i do that! i got up at in the middle of the night - harrassed 3 sleepy children out of bed and into showers since they have to make their own lunches and walk to the bus stop then drove like a mad woman into work. Its so friggin cold I'm wrapped in a balnket because it was still dark and I dressedwrongly for the weather :) |
| 20:17 |
chilts |
:( |
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it's warming up now though :) |
| 20:17 |
jransom |
will go and stand in a patch of sunlight in the carpark outside I think |
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chilts |
good plan |
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* chilts |
waves goodbye for now |
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jransom |
cya |
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genji |
gmcharlt: its laid out correctly, like a git clone yes. but it did not have any git info before i did a git fetch of 3rc1, then copied the files over. |
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genji |
whats the first patch since 3rc1? how can i test that indeed, i have 3rc1 and not a later release? |
| 20:19 |
schuster |
jransom - wireless laptop sitting in bed... good idea... ;) |
| 20:20 |
robin-home |
jransom: yeah that's the wrong way to do it:) I just lay in bed with my phone connected to IRC. |
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genji |
hm... i could of sat in bed with my wifi pda... but I wouldn't of been able to respond. |
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genji |
gmcharlt: ? |
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wizzyrea |
http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]orting_Guidelines |
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it's one of my pets. :P |
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genji |
gmcharlt: hello? |
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gmcharlt |
ebegin: pong |
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ack, sorry |
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genji: pong |
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ebegin |
gmcharlt, yes^ |
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genji |
gmcharlt: did you see my response? |
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gmcharlt |
ebegin: sorry, didn't mean to ping you |
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ebegin |
:) np |
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gmcharlt |
genji: I had stepped out; anyway, you can do is to make a new git clone of 3rc1 |
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copy your production version over |
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do a git diff |
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and start organizing your local customizations into a set of commits on the cline |
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once you've got that situation, you can then try rebasing against the current 3.0.x head |
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genji |
okay.... im not even sure how to commit. |
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gmcharlt |
genji: ah, have you used git at all? |
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genji |
only to fetch |
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to show.. |
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and to log. |
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yea.. basically.. read only functionality. |
| 20:47 |
gmcharlt |
ok - first step will be a perusal of http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage |
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particularly the 'for developers sectoin' |
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how extensive are your customizations? |
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genji |
ah.... this isn't good... 3rc1 is 3.00 00 094? |
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| 20:49 |
gmcharlt |
yep |
| 20:50 |
genji |
yet i have a side by side view of 094 and our install of koha.... 094 is supposed to have, under modbiblio "Exported function (core API) etc" but our install has the full explaination of Modbiblio. |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: bug fix sent for translatability |
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wizzyrea |
please look this over |
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http://wiki.koha-community.org[…]ng_Git#Browse_Git |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: C4/Languages.pm is a real nightmare. |
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wizzyrea |
those links to the git repos are going to be wrong I think |
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genji |
gmcharlt: so.... how do i find out what version of koha i have? 094 doesn't match..... whens the last time that modbiblio had "Exported' under it? |
| 21:03 |
gmcharlt |
genji: what does kohaversion.pl say? |
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genji |
094 |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: But will try and send folllowup on previous patch for C4/Languages.pm |
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genji |
does every git commit, change kohaversion.pl? |
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russ |
gmcharlt: did you get my email? i kept getting bounces when trying to send to your work address |
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chris_n |
a C4 module that's a nightmare? you don't say. ;-) |
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* wizzyrea |
explodes into a million pieces |
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wizzyrea |
did somebody say C4? |
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hdl_laptop |
chris_n: hehe |
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gmcharlt |
russ: no |
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are you using gmcesilibrary.com ? |
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russ |
i'll try that now |
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gmcharlt |
russ: I have it now |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: is systempreferences.pl still in use in 3.2? |
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russ |
gmcharlt: cheers |
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gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: it's not linked to anything, but at the moment it's the only way to add local-use sysprefs |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: it looks like it has not been deleted. |
| 21:16 |
gmcharlt |
so may need to stick aroudn for that purpose |
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hdl_laptop |
duplication of tools ---- |
| 21:17 |
gmcharlt |
until we have a fix for bug 3756 |
| 21:17 |
munin |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3756 blocker, P5, ---, pianohackergmail.com, ASSIGNED, new sys prefs - no way to add a new local use preference |
| 21:17 |
genji |
gmcharlt: so... why is my 094 modbiblio, different from 094? it seems like its description is from a later version...... maybe copied.. or maybe its a later version? |
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hdl_laptop |
gmcharlt: I agree 3756 is really really serious |
| 21:17 |
gmcharlt |
genji: hard to say, you could have a slightly post-RC1 version |
| 21:18 |
genji |
when did modbiblio start deleting any item fields from incoming records to avoid duplication? |
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ah.. another difference.... in GetBiblioitemdata.. a bug was fixed.,... from " biblio left join biblioitems on biblio.biblionumber =bibioitems.bibioitemnumber' to the correct" biblioitems.biblionumber" |
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hdl_laptop |
But then, should we release the code with both preference.pl and systempreferences ? |
| 21:22 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: yes, or perhaps strip out most of systempreference.pl, make it handle *only* local-use sysprefs, and rename it to sysprefs_local.pl or the like |
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kmkale: looks like you fixed your git-send-email problem |
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chris_n |
maybe we could write a parser module to update the yaml syspref files? |
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thus allowing local sysprefs to be added |
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gmcharlt |
chris_n: I'm uncomfortable about adding a feature that writes to the filesystem so late into 3.2 |
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chris_n |
I was thinking more for 3.4 |
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chris |
back |
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Nate |
gnight #koha |
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genji |
how do i walk the git, to find out what version of Biblio.pm matches the one i have? |
| 21:40 |
chris |
i bet you have local changes, so no version matches it |
| 21:41 |
genji |
hmm... i mean.. some parts of Biblio.pm seem like they are from a later version of koha. |
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koha 3rc1 has "Exported (core api)..." as the description for modbiblio sub. |
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but my supposed koha 3rc1 has the actual description. |
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so.. when was the description, added to modbiblio? |
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hdl_laptop |
gitk could helpyou |
| 21:45 |
gmcharlt |
genji: that change was made between 3.0-rc1 and 3.0.0 |
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genji |
so, its possible that i might have 3 final? |
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gmcharlt |
check your db revision |
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if it's 3.00.00.107, you likely have 3.0.0 final |
| 21:47 |
genji |
094 it says in kohaversion.pl |
| 21:48 |
gmcharlt |
sounds like it's in some state between rc1 and final, then |
| 21:48 |
genji |
do i really need to find out exactly what the last commit was? |
| 21:50 |
gmcharlt |
not necessarily, but it would help in order to figure exactly which files you had customized |
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unless you have a logbook or something you can refer to |
| 21:53 |
genji |
okay... hmm.. |
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when was 3rc1 released? |
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or gitmarked? |
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larsw |
could someone give me the url to the log of the meeting earlier? |
| 22:03 |
joetho |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today |
| 22:03 |
larsw |
thanks |
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chris |
is someone doing minutes? |
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