IRC log for #koha, 2010-04-29

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Time Nick Message
01:17 * chris_n looks in
01:19 chris sup chris_n
01:20 chris_n just wandered by the computer and noticed how slow it was in here :)
01:20 chris yeah, tis pretty quiet today
01:20 chris_n hows the conversion going?
01:21 chris we are in the final testing phase
01:21 leading up to the go live, so getting there
01:21 chris_n cool
01:21 chris most of the work has been moving from the frbr like structure, to the 2 tier marc one
01:21 without bustinating everything
01:22 man, savitra is really really helpful on the mailing lists
01:22 savitra++
01:42 chris_n g'night #koha
01:43 chris night chris_n
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03:52 Amit_G heya brendan, chris
03:53 brendan hi Amit_G good morning to you
03:53 Amit_G brendan: have u try OAI?
03:53 brendan nope
04:40 @quote random
04:40 munin brendan: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 10:30 AM, April 01, 2010)
04:42 wizzyrea_laptop oh that's a good one
04:42 @quote random
04:42 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #19: "<chris> i just want to yell things like don't kick the ball, pass it and Feed the backs" (added by jdavidb at 08:11 AM, July 27, 2009)
04:42 wizzyrea_laptop lol
04:42 this is fun.
04:42 @quote random
04:42 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #28: "<owen> I'm glad munin doesn't follow me around all day remembering *everything* I say." (added by jdavidb at 09:14 AM, September 01, 2009)
04:42 chris ahh scrum methodology
04:42 how i loathe thee
04:42 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random
04:42 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #68: "gmcharlt: which probably means that library schools ought to rename Cataloging 101 to Identification and Avoidance of Rabbit Holes 101" (added by wizzyrea_laptop at 03:17 PM, March 10, 2010)
04:43 wizzyrea_laptop I am SO excited about the debian package
04:43 so. So. SO excited.
04:43 like, squeeing excited.
04:43 @quote random
04:43 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #5: "<jwagner> Why is it every Koha rock I turn over produces a zillion (metaphorical) ants, each with a new question????" (added by kf at 09:13 AM, June 12, 2009)
04:43 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random
04:43 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #64: "<jwagner> Depends on whether you're trying to get intelligent participation, or just saying we're going to do it MY way" (added by brendan at 10:58 AM, March 01, 2010)
04:43 wizzyrea_laptop oh snap
04:44 chris lol
04:44 zing!
04:44 wizzyrea_laptop @quote random
04:44 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Quote #70: "<wizzyrea> owen: I have a jquery... um... query for you" (added by jdavidb at 10:30 AM, April 01, 2010)
04:44 wizzyrea_laptop munin likes that one
04:44 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "likes" is not a valid command.
04:44 chris @love
04:44 munin chris: Error: "love" is not a valid command.
04:44 chris @hate
04:44 munin chris: Error: "hate" is not a valid command.
04:44 chris @feel_mostly_ambivalent_about
04:44 munin chris: Error: "feel_mostly_ambivalent_about" is not a valid command.
04:44 brendan @distance love hate
04:44 munin brendan: Error: "distance" is not a valid command.
04:48 chris @love fine_line hate
04:48 munin chris: Error: "love" is not a valid command.
04:49 wizzyrea_laptop @kneel
04:49 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "kneel" is not a valid command.
04:49 wizzyrea_laptop munin: why not?
04:49 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "why" is not a valid command.
04:49 chris @help
04:49 munin chris: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
04:49 wizzyrea_laptop munin is
04:49 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
04:49 chris @plugins
04:49 munin chris: Error: "plugins" is not a valid command.
04:49 chris i wonder how you get a list
04:50 wizzyrea_laptop @list plugins
04:50 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: 'plugins' is not a valid plugin.
04:50 wizzyrea_laptop @list
04:50 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
04:50 chris ahh there you go
04:50 wizzyrea_laptop just like that
04:50 apparently
04:50 chris @help factoids
04:50 munin chris: Error: There is no command "factoids".
04:50 brendan nice find
04:50 chris @help Factoids
04:50 munin chris: Error: There is no command "factoids".
04:51 eythian @list factoids
04:51 munin eythian: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
04:51 brendan @games
04:51 munin brendan: Error: "games" is not a valid command.
04:51 chris ahh ta eythian
04:51 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid
04:51 brendan @Games
04:51 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command.
04:51 brendan: Error: "Games" is not a valid command.
04:51 * wizzyrea_laptop bonks munin on the head
04:51 chris @whatis koha
04:51 munin chris: "koha" could be http://www.koha.org/
04:51 brendan @Games help
04:51 munin brendan: Error: The "Games" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "help" in it.  Try "list Games" to see the commands in the "Games" plugin.
04:51 wizzyrea_laptop fumble!
04:51 chris @learn koha is koha-community.org
04:51 munin chris: Invalid arguments for learn.
04:51 brendan @listGames
04:51 munin brendan: Error: "listGames" is not a valid command.
04:51 chris @help learn
04:51 munin chris: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
04:51 wizzyrea_laptop munin is a supybot
04:51 brendan @list Games
04:51 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "is" is not a valid command.
04:51 chris @learn koha as koha-community.org
04:51 munin brendan: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
04:51 chris: The operation succeeded.
04:52 Amit_G @wunder Dehradun
04:52 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 23.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 53%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008 hPa.
04:52 chris @whatis koha
04:52 munin chris: "koha" could be (#1) http://www.koha.org/, or (#2) koha-community.org
04:52 Amit_G @wunder New Delhi
04:52 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 34.0�C (10:00 AM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009 hPa (Steady).
04:52 chris @forget koha
04:52 wizzyrea_laptop @unlearn koha as http://www.koha.org
04:52 munin chris: Error: 2 factoids have that key.  Please specify which one to remove, or use * to designate all of them.
04:52 wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "unlearn" is not a valid command.
04:52 Amit_G @whatis linux
04:52 munin Amit_G: Error: No factoid matches that key.
04:52 brendan @Games roulette
04:52 munin brendan: *click*
04:52 wizzyrea_laptop AHA
04:52 chris @forget koha 1
04:52 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
04:52 Amit_G @whatis perl
04:52 munin Amit_G: Error: No factoid matches that key.
04:52 chris @whatis koha
04:52 munin chris: "koha" could be koha-community.org
04:52 brendan @learn unlearn
04:52 munin brendan: Invalid arguments for learn.
04:52 chris success!!!
04:53 * chris takes the small wins
04:53 * wizzyrea_laptop highfives chris
04:53 brendan small_wins++
04:53 Amit_G @whatis koha
04:53 munin Amit_G: "koha" could be koha-community.org
04:53 * brendan throws a highfive too
04:53 Amit_G @wunder Bangalore
04:53 munin Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 25.0�C (8:30 AM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 19.0�C.
04:54 brendan @Games eightball
04:54 munin brendan: It is possible.
04:54 brendan @Games coin
04:54 munin brendan: heads
04:54 wizzyrea_laptop @Games coin
04:54 munin wizzyrea_laptop: heads
04:54 wizzyrea_laptop @list
04:54 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Admin, Alias, Bugzilla, Channel, Config, Dict, Factoids, Filter, Games, Google, Herald, Internet, Karma, Lart, Later, MARC, Math, Misc, News, Note, Owner, Plugin, Quote, Seen, Todo, URL, Unix, User, Utilities, and Weather
04:54 chris @games monologue
04:54 munin chris: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
04:54 chris ohh
04:54 @monologue
04:54 munin chris: Your current monologue is at least 3 lines long.
04:54 chris @coin
04:54 munin chris: tails
04:54 chris there we go
04:55 wizzyrea_laptop @monologue
04:55 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
04:55 chris @eightball should i go home now?
04:55 munin chris: It is possible.
04:55 eythian @list dict
04:55 munin eythian: dict, dictionaries, and random
04:55 chris alright!
04:55 eythian @random
04:55 munin eythian: Error: The command "random" is available in the Dict, Factoids, and Quote plugins.  Please specify the plugin whose command you wish to call by using its name as a command before "random".
04:55 eythian @dict random
04:55 munin eythian: dan-eng
04:55 eythian @dict random
04:55 munin eythian: world95
04:55 wizzyrea_laptop @factoids random
04:55 munin wizzyrea_laptop: "koha": koha-community.org; "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight; "slef": MJ Ray, webmaster-developer for TTLLP software.coop
04:55 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid learn wizzyrea as Liz Rea, NEKLS
04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command.
04:56 wizzyrea_laptop aw
04:56 @learn wizzyrea as Liz Rea, NEKLS
04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded.
04:56 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid wizzyrea
04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command.
04:56 chris @whatis wizzyrea
04:56 munin chris: "wizzyrea" could be Liz Rea, NEKLS
04:56 wizzyrea_laptop @factoid random
04:56 munin wizzyrea_laptop: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command.
04:56 wizzyrea_laptop oh there you go
04:56 * chris hands wizzyrea_laptop an s
04:56 chris @factoids random
04:56 wizzyrea_laptop OH
04:56 munin chris: "open-source": open-source; "wizzyrea": Liz Rea, NEKLS; "slef": MJ Ray, webmaster-developer for TTLLP software.coop
04:56 wizzyrea_laptop der
04:57 chris ok hometime
04:57 wizzyrea_laptop later :)
04:58 @learn zebra as the bane of our existence
04:58 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The operation succeeded.
04:58 wizzyrea_laptop rofl
05:09 brendan @Games eightball make a drink?
05:09 munin brendan: NO!
05:09 brendan @Games eightball have a drink?
05:09 munin brendan: The answer is a resounding no.
05:10 brendan wow ok thanks munes
05:11 wizzyrea_laptop @Games eightball Not even Pina Coladas?
05:11 munin wizzyrea_laptop: The answer is a resounding no.
05:12 wizzyrea_laptop Oh come on you crazy teetotaler
05:12 @Games eightball Beer?
05:12 munin wizzyrea_laptop: What are you asking me for?
05:12 wizzyrea_laptop oh now i've just made you angry.
05:13 anyway, good night humans and bots. ttyl. (lol)
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06:33 chris back
06:34 hows the netherlands treatng you paul_p ?
06:34 paul_p hi chris.
06:34 fine, thanks. weather very nice, people very nice.
06:35 chris excellent, good to hear
06:35 i enjoyed myself when i was there in 1998 too
06:39 good ice cream i remember too
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07:24 kf good morning
07:25 chris hi kf
07:25 kf hi chris
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07:58 Amit_G heya kf
07:59 kf hi Amit_G
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09:29 greenmang0 @wunder mumbai
09:29 munin greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 33.0�C (2:40 PM IST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 63%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady).
09:38 magnus @wunder bodo, norway
09:38 munin magnus: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 2.0�C (11:20 AM CEST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady).
09:38 magnus ...and there is 1 cm of fresh snow...
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10:01 kf today is the "day of import problems" *sigh*
10:11 magnus kf: ouch?
10:13 kf magnus: ouch
10:24 chris import problems are never fun
10:25 hdl_laptop hi all
10:26 chris hiya hdl_laptop
10:30 have you heard from nahuel?
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11:01 BobB Hi all
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11:32 kf we have to delete a lot of records, will it work to delete entries in biblioi and biblioitems (those records have no items) and reindex?
11:39 chris yes
11:39 make sure you do a reset tho
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11:40 chris http://koha-community.org/docu[…]/faq/searching/#5
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11:44 kf chris: thx!
11:46 chris++
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11:46 kf @karma chris
11:46 munin kf: Karma for "chris" has been increased 126 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of 125.
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11:53 jdavidb g'mornin, #koha! :)
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11:58 chris hi jdavidb
11:59 chris_n morning
12:01 chris hi chris_n
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12:16 kf morning jdavidb :)
12:16 nengard morning all
12:16 i'm actually home for a few days before the next trip!!! :)
12:17 time to do some patching :)
12:18 owen Hi everyone
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12:25 owen nengard: Re: Bug 4407
12:25 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4407 normal, P5, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, NEW, view in opac link missing in staff client
12:26 owen That works for me. Can you double-check?
12:26 nengard I found the problem - I thought I updated - I'll update now - it's evil xslt in the staff client-
12:27 Found the problem if you turn off XSLTDetailsDisplay in the staff client then
12:27 the link is there.  This is a bigger problem than this - basically the XSLT
12:27 template for the staff client is just a copy of the one for the OPAC and need
12:27 to be re-written.  Will open a new bug for that if there isn't one already.
12:27 that's what i added to the bug report
12:28 chris_n @quote add <nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client
12:28 munin chris_n: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command).
12:28 * chris_n harrumphs at munin
12:29 jdavidb @quote add <nengard> it's evil xslt in the staff client
12:29 munin jdavidb: The operation succeeded.  Quote #72 added.
12:29 chris_n for some reason munin seems to think someone else owns my nick
12:29 jdavidb @quote random
12:29 munin jdavidb: Quote #36: "<pianohacker> first, burn the perl book" (added by jdavidb at 03:12 PM, September 25, 2009)
12:29 chris_n hehe
12:30 jdavidb @quote random
12:30 munin jdavidb: Quote #25: "<wizzyrea> ha, in #koha we don't pick each other's brains... we git pull them." (added by gmcharlt at 03:40 PM, August 14, 2009)
12:31 chris merge --squash
12:31 chris_n lol
12:32 owen What's the command to identify yourself to munin?
12:32 chris @quote 9
12:32 munin chris: Error: The "Quote" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "9" in it.  Try "list Quote" to see the commands in the "Quote" plugin.
12:32 chris @list quote
12:32 munin chris: add, change, get, random, remove, search, and stats
12:32 chris @quote get 9
12:32 munin chris: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009)
12:32 chris @quote get 6
12:32 munin chris: Quote #6: "gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;)" (added by wizzyrea at 12:13 PM, June 16, 2009)
12:32 chris gah
12:33 there is some quote that has the command in it
12:33 owen Only wizzyrea remembers it
12:33 gmcharlt @quote search register
12:33 munin gmcharlt: 1 found: #23: "<gmcharlt> /msg munin register nick password"
12:33 chris that one
12:33 yeah
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12:34 owen and what does it mean if munin says "That name is already assigned to someone."
12:34 Wrong password?
12:35 nengard reminder to all --  send me those newsletter article ideas!!!
12:36 chris_n owen: try /msg munin identify nick password
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12:38 owen @quote add <chris_n> owen: try /msg munin identify nick password
12:38 munin owen: The operation succeeded.  Quote #73 added.
12:39 chris_n g'morning jane
12:41 jwagner Morning (but not much good about it, grump)
12:44 * owen sends sympathy treats to jwagner
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12:47 nengard wow: http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]ssions-with-ptfs/#
12:48 * jwagner thanks owen
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12:54 owen What a great write-up. The community chose well when we entrusted the HLT Committee with this task
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13:07 chris_n very nice writeup
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13:08 chris_n very sad turn of events, however
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13:08 magnus agreed, chris_n
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13:11 sekjal @learn sekjal as Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions
13:11 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded.
13:11 nengard sekjal what does @ learn do?
13:12 sekjal @factiods random
13:12 munin sekjal: Error: "factiods" is not a valid command.
13:12 sekjal errr
13:12 @factoids random
13:12 munin sekjal: "open-source": open-source; "koha": koha-community.org; "zebra": the bane of our existence
13:12 sekjal learn adds to this list, apparently
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13:13 sekjal thought I'd catch up on the last few hours of IRC chatter, and found the @ learn gem.  also, apparently, munin has games
13:14 @factoids munin
13:14 munin sekjal: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "munin" in it.  Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin.
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13:16 owen @factoids sekjal
13:16 munin owen: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "sekjal" in it.  Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin.
13:16 owen ?
13:16 sekjal I guess I'm not a command
13:16 gmcharlt @help factoids
13:16 munin gmcharlt: Error: There is no command "factoids".
13:16 gmcharlt @list Factoids
13:16 munin gmcharlt: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
13:16 owen How do you retrieve a factoid then?
13:16 gmcharlt @whatis sekjal
13:16 munin gmcharlt: "sekjal" could be Ian Walls, ByWater Solutions
13:17 sekjal there we go.  neat
13:18 owen @learn cormorant as The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag
13:18 munin owen: The operation succeeded.
13:18 owen @whatis cormorant
13:18 munin owen: "cormorant" could be The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag
13:18 sekjal @whatis git
13:18 munin sekjal: Error: No factoid matches that key.
13:21 sekjal @whatis munin
13:21 munin sekjal: "munin" could be supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html
13:22 gmcharlt @learn munin purveyor of all wisdom
13:22 munin gmcharlt: Invalid arguments for learn.
13:22 sekjal @learn munin as your chatbot play who's fun to be with
13:22 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded.
13:22 gmcharlt @help learn
13:22 munin gmcharlt: (learn [<channel>] <key> as <value>) -- Associates <key> with <value>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent on the channel itself. The word 'as' is necessary to separate the key from the value. It can be changed to another word via the learnSeparator registry value.
13:22 gmcharlt ah
13:22 @learn munin as purveyor of all wisdom
13:22 munin gmcharlt: The operation succeeded.
13:22 sekjal @help forget
13:22 munin sekjal: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:22 gmcharlt @whatis munin
13:22 munin gmcharlt: "munin" could be (#1) supybot http://supybot.sourceforge.net/docs/commands.html, or (#2) your chatbot play who's fun to be with, or (#3) purveyor of all wisdom
13:23 gmcharlt @list Factoids
13:23 munin gmcharlt: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
13:23 sekjal I really need to drink more coffee before attempting to type
13:23 gmcharlt @Help forget
13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:23 gmcharlt @help forget
13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:23 gmcharlt @help info
13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:23 gmcharlt @help Factoids forget
13:23 munin gmcharlt: An error has occurred and has been logged. Please contact this bot's administrator for more information.
13:23 gmcharlt hmm
13:23 chris @forget munin 1
13:23 munin chris: The operation succeeded.
13:23 chris @whatis munin
13:23 munin chris: "munin" could be (#1) your chatbot play who's fun to be with, or (#2) purveyor of all wisdom
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13:24 sekjal @forget munin 1
13:24 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded.
13:24 nengard @learn nengard as Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions/Koha Doc Manager
13:24 munin nengard: The operation succeeded.
13:24 chris_n lol
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13:24 sekjal @learn munin as your chatbot pal who's fun to be with
13:24 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded.
13:25 chris_n @factoid random
13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "factoid" is not a valid command.
13:25 chris_n @Factoid random
13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "Factoid" is not a valid command.
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13:25 chris_n @Factoid
13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "Factoid" is not a valid command.
13:25 chris_n @Factoids
13:25 munin chris_n: Error: "Factoids" is not a valid command.
13:26 * chris_n gives up
13:26 sekjal @factoids
13:26 munin sekjal: Error: "factoids" is not a valid command.
13:26 sekjal @factoids random
13:26 munin sekjal: "cormorant": The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag; "munin": purveyor of all wisdom; "nengard": Nicole C. Engard, ByWater Solutions/Koha Doc Manager
13:27 chris_n @whatis
13:27 munin chris_n: (whatis [<channel>] <key> [<number>]) -- Looks up the value of <key> in the factoid database. If given a number, will return only that exact factoid. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself.
13:27 chris_n @whatis fortnight
13:27 munin chris_n: Error: No factoid matches that key.
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13:44 owen Is anyone familiar with a (fairly) recent change in Koha to allow renewals to be recorded with a branch code in the statistics table?
13:48 sekjal owen: not just yet, but I could get familiar
13:48 owen sekjal: At one time some renewals were recorded in the statistics table with no branch. I think it was renewals from the OPAC
13:48 My statistics aren't showing those branchless stats anymore, so I'm assuming it was fixed.
13:49 I'm just curious about what the fix did
13:50 brendan @Games eightball should I have breakfast yet?
13:50 munin brendan: NO.
13:50 owen @Games eightball Did I have breakfast yet?
13:50 munin owen: You're kidding, right?
13:51 owen What, do I have powdered sugar on my face or something?
13:52 @Games eightball Will my stats all add up this time?
13:52 munin owen: _I_ don't know.
13:52 gmcharlt @eightball will people play with munin all day today?
13:52 munin gmcharlt: Naturally.
13:52 brendan :)
13:53 * jwagner thinks there's too much fun going on. Back to work!
13:53 sekjal owen: not seeing anything in the code of opac-renew.pl about branchcode specifically
13:55 schuster jwagner cracking the whip feels sorry for jdavidb...  but would love to see 3.2 in beta release!  So I'm with her!
13:56 * jdavidb fears jwagner's whip.
13:56 * jwagner is not really that fearsome. Just grumpy today.
13:57 jwagner Actually, I could use some input on an idea I had if there are any XSLT experts around.  We've talked about, and there is some provision for, having .css stylesheets live on a separate server & be called via syspref.
13:58 Would it be possible to put alternate copies of the XSLT stylesheets on a separate server & have them called via syspref the same way?
13:58 * owen boggles that his statistics actually added up this time!
13:58 jwagner That way, sites could customize what fields they want to display without mucking up their system with local code customizations.
13:58 owen jwagner: I don't know, but I like the idea!
13:59 sekjal jwagner: that'd be a good idea.  Or allow folks to upload .css, .js and .xsl files to a local directory, then have dropdowns to select from those available
13:59 jwagner Probably 60% of the customization requests I get are "why can't I display _this_ field in my OPAC?"
14:00 I didn't know if there was anything funky about XSLT as opposed to .css files that would need it on the same server.
14:00 owen The other 40% is "Can you make the book covers dance to the 'Peanut Butter Jelly' song"
14:00 jwagner owen, haven't had that one yet (thank goodness) but have had some equally wierd ones....
14:01 * chris_n thinks animated gifs
14:01 sekjal owen: looking at opac-renew.pl further, I'm seeing the call to AddRenewal is missing the $branch parameter
14:02 * owen should have checked when he was renewing books this morning
14:02 wizzyrea jwagner that's a great idea
14:02 afk one minute :P]
14:02 and good morning
14:03 jwagner Hmmmm.  I might do some poking at the XSLT thing then, unless someone knows of a techie reason why it wouldn't work.
14:04 owen sekjal: Indeed, I just renewed an item from the OPAC and the line in statistics has a NULL branch.
14:05 jwagner The main concern I can think of is version updates to the main XSLT files wouldn't get reflected over.
14:05 owen I wonder if my check for NULL branch is not working as I thought it was
14:07 sekjal the line of code in opac-renewal.pl was added before the changes to the AddRenewal function in C4/Circulation that dealt with branch
14:07 * sekjal loves git-blame
14:08 * owen too except when it blames him
14:08 owen count of NULL branch renewals in 2009 stats: 0. Count in 2010 stats: 8113.
14:10 wizzyrea jwagner: that's the problem with any customizations like that I think
14:11 but easier to deal with than if they are THE templates you use
14:11 you can always fall back to the defaults if they are better than your custom changes
14:11 can someone point me to a *good* guide to how xslt ^*#@&(% works?
14:12 I've been looking off and on for two years and still haven't found one that resonates enough for me to understand
14:13 jwagner wizzyrea, I haven't either.  We have someone in house who speaks it (not in the Koha group) and I've picked his brain a few times.  Also have used http://www.w3schools.com/Xsl/default.asp
14:14 owen sekjal: Going through my old email, I see an email from Ryan Higgins that says there is a "statistics table fix script" which might include a routine to backfill empty branch in stats
14:14 wizzyrea jwagner: i will take a look at that, it looks familiar but I may have been seeking answers instead of learning the last time I looked at it.
14:15 jwagner Mostly I've learned by looking at how other sections work, then copying & trying to adapt.
14:15 wizzyrea I tried that, but failed (miserably) and then I gave up for a while.
14:15 (other things to do_)
14:16 jwagner Always.
14:17 collum Here's another. http://www.learn-xslt-tutorial.com/
14:17 xslt just seems like too much code for the result. IMO.
14:17 schuster jwagner and nengard - I was looking at bug 4377
14:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4377 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, cannot confirm hold due to missing letter
14:18 nengard yes?
14:18 schuster I see jwagner sent a patch but it wasn't "accepted yet"...
14:18 nengard k
14:19 schuster Just wondering if it looks like it would resolve the issue and we should remind gmcharlt it was there?
14:19 jwagner He knows it's there -- I asked him to check the structure when I sent it in.  Probably hasn't had a chance to get to it yet.
14:19 nengard it was a pretty recent patch which is why it hasn't gone in there yet, but it will solve the problem - it will also solve the problem if you add an empty template yourself :)
14:19 using the notices interface
14:20 under tools
14:20 schuster Desperately trying to figure out a way to help move 3.2 along.
14:20 jwagner Yes, as long as it's named HOLD_PRINT
14:20 owen schuster: You could try dispatching someone to gmcharlt's office to apply shoulder and neck massages?
14:21 gmcharlt and combat other nuisacnes
14:21 jwagner Or send large quantities of liquor, chocolate, and gourmet cat food via fedex?
14:21 gmcharlt at any rate, expect good news by the time of the community meeting next wednesday
14:22 * owen needs to iron out some conflicts on a patch to send...
14:22 jwagner What is the time of that meeting?
14:22 * jwagner can loan owen an ironing board
14:22 * owen thinks I can haz topic plz?
14:24 jwagner I did look at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]rc_meetings:start but I don't see one for next week.
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14:28 miguel hi all
14:29 schuster I saw on jransoms post - Committee would like to call a community handover meeting on 4 May 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0...  but that is a community handover not a development meeting.
14:31 * owen wishes Google Calendar would interpret "19:00 UTC+0" for me
14:32 * jwagner can't remember -- are we on Eastern Standard or Eastern Daylight time now?
14:32 wizzyrea we are CDT
14:33 owen http://www.wolframalpha.com/in[…]t+19%3A00+UTC%2B0
14:33 rhcl jwagner said: "Or send large quantities of liquor, chocolate, and gourmet cat food via fedex"
14:34 rhcl asks: "Does gourmet cat food taste good?"
14:34 * collum loves wolframalpha.com - http://www.wolframalpha.com/in[…]hat+is+a+hospital
14:34 rhcl or maybe it does after large quantities of liquor and chocolate
14:34 schuster The last meeting run by gmcharlt minutes states - 19:00 UTC+0 on 5 May
14:35 So we have 2 meetings possibly next week?
14:35 jwagner rhcl, one way to gmcharlt's heart is through his cats' stomachs :-)
14:35 gmcharlt schuster: yep, two meetings
14:36 chris_n lol collum :)
14:36 jwagner gmcharlt, which is when?
14:36 gmcharlt general on wednesday, community on teusday
14:36 both 19:00 UTC+0
14:39 wizzyrea what does this mean: xmlns:items="http://www.koha.org/items"
14:39 schuster ok to verify 2 pm central 3 pm Eastern - I've missed meetings because I can't convert time well!
14:39 wizzyrea xml namespace but I don't get it. Gah. I feel dumb.
14:40 owen schuster: Did that wolframalpha link work for you? That's what I always use
14:46 wizzyrea collum: I think I'm beginning to see why you say it's too much for the result.
14:46 schuster Yes I LOVE that link..  that's how I got to the 2 pm central!  Thank you owen!  That needs to be on each of the agenda pages!
14:46 wizzyrea it's a lot to wrap your mind around.
14:50 schuster wizzyrea - have you seen this on any of your reports? - bug 2281
14:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2281 critical, P3, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, holds queue report including unavailable items
14:50 owen Are there any contenders for alternatives to xslt?
14:51 wizzyrea I don't believe we've seen that, no
14:55 schuster wizzyrea - since I know you all use holds quite a bit could you check with a couple of your busy libraries?  Then maybe we could close this bug?  It is almost 2 years old...
14:55 wizzyrea I just asked sharon, we don't see this bug
14:56 * owen hasn't heard any reports of this
14:57 wizzyrea close it, we can reopen if needed
14:58 schuster gmcharlt - ok with me doing this?
14:58 gmcharlt schuster: yep
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15:02 schuster done thanks - always freaks me out after you commit in bugszilla that it jumps to the next bug and I think I messed something up!
15:03 gmcharlt schuster: that's just how bugzilla hands out your next assignment :)
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15:04 schuster Unfortunately I can't handle the assignments!  Guess that's when you start looking for money to pay someone to fix it for you so you can close it and get some glory...
15:04 joetho @learn MUNIN: "Another busy day at the office!"
15:04 munin joetho: Invalid arguments for learn.
15:05 joetho @learn MUNIN: Another busy day at the office!
15:05 munin joetho: Invalid arguments for learn.
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15:05 joetho @learn munin Another busy day at the office!
15:05 munin joetho: Invalid arguments for learn.
15:06 joetho well durn it
15:06 oh I know ALL about making invalid arguments. Ask my daughters.
15:06 sigh. back to work.
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15:08 schuster bug requesting feedback - bug 3344
15:08 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting
15:13 schuster nengard - bug 4320 looks to be included in bug 4151 can we close?
15:13 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4320 blocker, P5, ---, nengard@gmail.com, NEW, Module Text::CSV::Encoded not present in INSTALL instructions
15:13 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading
15:13 nengard will read and combine
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15:14 nengard oh - this is assigned to me - i don't know about this - or how to do this - so yes closing 4151
15:14 no
15:14 closing 4320
15:16 schuster Thanks!  that's 1 blocker down the tube and 1 critical!
15:17 wizzyrea re bug 3344, when last I looked at that, it was a very good improvement
15:17 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3344 critical, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, ASSIGNED, Hold priority list needs additional status for items assigned but not waiting
15:17 wizzyrea dk if gmcharlt has done more on it or not
15:18 jdavidb is now known as jdavidb_meeting
15:19 schuster Can someone with 3.2 alpha test this and comment?  bug 4116
15:19 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4116 critical, P5, ---, henridamien@koha-fr.org, ASSIGNED, results from cataloging search is different from advanced search results
15:19 wizzyrea yep one mome nt
15:20 so this is opac vs. cataloging search, right?
15:20 just want to make sure i'm testing the right thing.
15:20 schuster Looks like Advanced search in cataloging from what I read.
15:20 owen standard staff client search vs. search from cataloging page I think
15:21 wizzyrea k
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15:21 CGI558 greetings everyone
15:21 wizzyrea mine are the same
15:21 CGI558 i have a question about my marc framework
15:21 wizzyrea good morning
15:22 http://screencast.com/t/ODZjZmNjYjU cataloging search
15:22 http://screencast.com/t/OTgzMzk1NTA regular search
15:23 let me try one more place
15:23 schuster what did you search?
15:23 wizzyrea bear
15:23 CGI558 made the marc bibliografic framework test and i got these error: biblio y biblionumber  The biblio.biblionumber and biblioitems.biblioitemnumber fields be mapped to a MARC subfield,
15:23 schuster Ah.
15:23 owen wizzyrea: that second link isn't the right thing
15:23 wizzyrea Search link above
15:23 http://screencast.com/t/NDY5NTZjM2Et
15:24 schuster what happens if you truncate the search do you get the same thing?
15:25 wizzyrea 1s lemme check
15:26 http://screencast.com/t/NzYwMzIx
15:27 http://screencast.com/t/ZmRlNGJkNj
15:27 owen nengard: did you ever file a bug for the frameworks deletion problem from the other day?
15:27 wizzyrea all of them look consistent to me
15:28 nengard owen - no because i haven't re-tested to see if i can make it happen again
15:28 i've been out of town and now i'm just trying to catch up
15:28 owen nengard: I observe the same problem. I suspect thd is right about the cause
15:28 wizzyrea I think TD found an issue there, was in email
15:28 I've seen it too
15:29 but a while ago
15:29 nengard owen do you want to report it or should I?
15:29 wizzyrea it's really only something that comes up when you're first setting up a system
15:29 owen nengard: I'll do it since I'm looking at it atm
15:29 nengard thanks
15:31 sekjal @learn LDAP as a wicked pain to get working
15:31 munin sekjal: The operation succeeded.
15:32 slef yengh
15:32 wizzyrea hi slef
15:33 slef today not brill here - how about there?
15:33 gmcharlt sunny day in florida
15:35 slef @wunder Weston-super-Mare Somerset
15:35 munin slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 12.9�C (4:30 PM BST on April 29, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1006.7 hPa (Steady).
15:36 slef that sums it up here
15:36 even if munin miscapitalises the placename
15:38 owen Bug 4424
15:38 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4424 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, MARC Framework deletion incorrectly reports usage count
15:38 wizzyrea @factoids zebra
15:38 munin wizzyrea: Error: The "Factoids" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "zebra" in it.  Try "list Factoids" to see the commands in the "Factoids" plugin.
15:38 wizzyrea @list Factoids
15:38 munin wizzyrea: change, forget, info, learn, lock, random, search, unlock, and whatis
15:39 wizzyrea @Factoids random
15:39 munin wizzyrea: "munin": purveyor of all wisdom; "cormorant": The common cormorant or shag Lays eggs inside a paper bag; "light-speed": 1.8026175 * 10^(12) furlongs per fortnight
15:39 owen @whatis zebra
15:39 munin owen: "zebra" could be the bane of our existence
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15:39 slef furlongs per fortnight?
15:39 kf I hope not
15:41 schuster Since we are on a roll - wizzyrea can you check this one bug 4201
15:41 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4201 blocker, P5, ---, ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com, ASSIGNED, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers
15:41 wizzyrea no, this isn't fixed
15:41 schuster drat...
15:41 wizzyrea sekjal wrote a script to correct the problem
15:41 but the root is still there
15:41 whatever it is.
15:42 * wizzyrea suspects simultaneous processing of holds
15:42 wizzyrea as the root cause of that
15:42 sekjal bug 4201 and what you're experiencing, wizzyrea, are a little different, I think
15:42 wizzyrea I'm not really convinced that they aren't caused by the same thing though.
15:42 schuster ah I remember an IRC discussion one day about this with you and Sharon doing simultaneous holds
15:43 kf import problems solved in first library, tidy up second tomorrow *tired*
15:43 bye #koha
15:43 wizzyrea it's different behavior, that's true
15:43 sekjal well, my patch to bug 4201 solves part of it
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15:43 sekjal doesn't address simulatenous holds, though
15:43 wizzyrea that's the corrective script, right?
15:43 * wizzyrea goes to read, haven't looked lately
15:44 sekjal I've published both a patch to the bug, and a cleanup script
15:44 wizzyrea oh I missed the patch, sorry
15:44 so sorry
15:44 sekjal wizzyrea: no worries :)
15:44 I still want to figure out how to handle simulatenous holds
15:45 wizzyrea yea, that's a huge deal in a 31, soon to be 33 library shared collection consortium
15:45 they all process holds at the same time, every day
15:46 jdavidb_meeting is now known as jdavidb
15:46 schuster So do we need to create another bug for that? - simultaneous holds?
15:47 sekjal schuster: in my opinion, yes.
15:47 the huge holds priority numbers has been solved by fixing some bad SQL
15:48 or, at least that's what I've seen
15:49 wizzyrea that's done schuster
15:49 bug 4373
15:49 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4373 major, P2, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Placing and Processing Items Simultaneously causes multiple issues
15:49 schuster Ah ok - haven't gone through the "major" ones yet!
15:50 wizzyrea I"m not sure that this one shouldn't be more critical, but I think it will take more time than we have for 3.2
15:50 plus $$
15:50 schuster so 4201 could be closed - sekjal and wizzyrea?
15:50 wizzyrea I defer to sekjal
15:50 owen wizzyrea if you're not careful I'm going to assign Bug 2780 to you :P
15:50 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2780 minor, P3, ---, oleonard@myacpl.org, REOPENED, capitalizing strings
15:51 * wizzyrea sobs
15:51 sekjal I believe that my patch and cleanup script solve bug 4201, but having more folks test that to confirm would probably be a good idea
15:51 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4201 blocker, P5, ---, ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com, ASSIGNED, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers
15:52 jdavidb Don't be mean to wizzyrea, owen!
15:53 * owen couldn't possibly, not while #koha has her back
15:53 wizzyrea aw
15:54 schuster If I only understood what that bug is talking about HA HA HA....
15:55 wizzyrea sekjal: it's looking good from here
15:56 though look at this:
15:57 http://screencast.com/t/NjZiYTFmZG
15:59 sekjal do you know what the priority number is for that last patron?  I mean, as it reads in the database?
15:59 wizzyrea lemme look
15:59 schuster it's that custom code nekls has... ;)
15:59 wizzyrea no, darlings, this is latest 3.2 head ;)
16:00 schuster oh sorry...  I'm done for today so will go sit in the corner and read a book... :0
16:00 owen That's what us librarians do all day long anyway isn't it schuster?
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16:02 wizzyrea sekjal: priority 15 on a bib with 7 holds
16:02 sekjal ewww, that's bad
16:03 that sounds like bug 4201
16:03 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4201 blocker, P5, ---, ian.walls@bywatersolutions.com, ASSIGNED, Holds priority listings assigning large numbers
16:03 wizzyrea BUT. you might take a look near the code that has to do with the pick up branch
16:04 when the pickup branch is different from the patron's home, it seems to do this
16:04 the other thing
16:04 sekjal hmmm...
16:04 wizzyrea is we were placing holds fast/furious at the same time on this bib
16:05 6 and this one might have been placed at nearly the same time
16:05 but I do know that frances has a different pick up branch than the branch I was placing the hold at
16:05 so I favor that theory
16:06 (the pickup branch mucks it up theory)
16:06 schuster speaking of holds when wizzyrea has a minute would you look at but 2655 and indicate if it is resolved?
16:07 owen Bug 2655 has not been resolved to my knowledge
16:07 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2655 blocker, P2, ---, gmcharlt@gmail.com, NEW, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC
16:08 wizzyrea not sure, is this what you're talking about? http://screencast.com/t/NjZiYTFmZG
16:08 er
16:08 http://screencast.com/t/NjJkN2YzMT
16:08 2nd, sorry
16:09 I forget to wait until it says "ok, done, paste it fool"
16:09 schuster phewy...  have you noticed I'm using different words each time I hit a roadblock?
16:11 wizzyrea if that's what you're talking about then it looks like it's right to me?
16:11 http://screencast.com/t/NjJkN2YzMT
16:13 schuster Yep wizzyrea - not fixed.
16:13 No it says AVAILABLE still on the item list.
16:13 chris_n patches flow like water today :)
16:16 owen What can we do? schuster is cracking the whip!
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16:18 brendan would be nice to have bugs.koha-communtity.org kicking
16:21 nengard got a question -- does anyone know what libraries are using RFID & Koha - wizzyrea was it your libraries? I know there are some out there - I just can't think of the names
16:21 jwagner I believe one of ours is -- Middletown Township Public Library.  Not sure of specifics.
16:21 schuster I know South Central is going to when they go live.
16:23 nengard thanks guys
16:23 schuster my work here is now done for today...  I hope it spurred some development...  I have a few things I'm working on but they will probably be 3.4...
16:23 I just know there are a lot of things hinging on 3.2 right now.
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16:27 chris_n schuster++ #for stirring up patches :)
16:32 slef nengard: I know some of ours are.
16:32 nengard: most open is CAMLIS who ran the open day.
16:33 nengard: 3M-compatible self-issue machine still causes us problems.
16:33 nengard thanks slef
16:42 wizzyrea yep, basehor is using 3m RFID
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16:58 wizzyrea jwagner thanks for the xslt tip... It's kind of, sort of, maybe sinking in a little.
17:01 owen is now known as owen-away
17:04 jwagner wizzyrea, then you're doing better than I am :-)
17:04 wizzyrea heh
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17:05 brendan is Kyle Hall's patch, Fines System Updates - Code Cleanup & Additional Features slated to make into 3.2 ?
17:07 gmcharlt no, that's rather a bit extensive for 3.2, plus there's a counterpatch for partial payments floating out there as well
17:07 brendan thanks - do you know who sent the counter patch ?
17:08 gmcharlt Colin, IIRC
17:09 brendan thanks will look
17:10 jwagner FYI, Colin's partial payment is our Bug 3498
17:10 munin 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3498 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, kohaprogrammers@ptfs.com, NEW, Allow partial fine payments
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17:23 brendan @Games eightball will partial payments make it into 3.2?
17:23 munin brendan: Obviously.
17:23 brendan there you go gmcharlt
17:23 patch away according to munin
17:23 gmcharlt @eightball will munin be the 3.6 release manager?
17:23 munin gmcharlt: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
17:23 gmcharlt just as well
17:24 brendan munin for president!
17:24 munin brendan: Error: "for" is not a valid command.
17:26 brendan @Games eightball does munin have a clue?
17:26 munin brendan: The answer is def-- oooh! shiny thing!
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17:32 DRUlm What is happening in Koha world?
17:32 jwagner So now we know how to distract munin -- just wave shiny things around :-)
17:35 slef DRUlm: http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]ssions-with-ptfs/
17:35 DRUlm Oh yeah, just read it. I think.
17:37 sekjal is now known as sekjal-away
17:39 DRUlm Yes, I did read that.
17:40 I think there could be some positive moves happening, on both sides.
17:40 It looks like it is all a matter of how it will happen.
17:40 If not, everyone may start jumping over to Evergreen ;)
17:40 This is how open source works. Too much infighting and everyone just goes to the competitor.
17:41 Probably in the interest of both parties to come together. But the future will show the evidence of what will happen - could go either way.
17:41 nengard I don't see it as fighting
17:41 DRUlm Good!
17:42 nengard I see it as the community governing itself
17:42 the community was around before us support companies and communities are the pillar of open source
17:42 DRUlm Great, then everyone will be free to be you and me
17:43 Be nice to see the code come together, and likely would be good for both parties - I mean, who wants to invest resources to support 2 code bases?
17:44 slef No-one.  LL pretty much forced us to and we're still recovering.
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17:45 cait hi koha
17:45 slef hi cait
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17:45 DRUlm Historically, that is costly, and if the branch is not *really* open source, then why not just run something proprietary since there are many choices. If I am not able to change the code anyway, I would just go with a proprietary and get all the bells and whistles - whoever has the most. But the open source advantage is total *local* flexibility, but if it isn't really *open* then I would go with a proprietary.
17:46 slef Now that's just confusing.  What do you mean by "really open"?
17:46 DRUlm Many feel the same way.
17:47 gmcharlt DRUlm: that's assumes that that only advance of open source software is the flexibility - but there are plenty of cases where F/OSS software is better than its proprietary equivalents in terms of its external functionality, and vice versa
17:48 slef Ours has always been open (FOSS) to our clients, but maintaining a clean-for-publication branch lagged and still isn't complete.  We'll probably just junk part of it eventually.
17:49 * chris_n wonders who the antecedent to 'many' is?
17:49 DRUlm cmgharlt: I am not assuming that, I am playing the devils advocate.
17:50 I am in agreement w/ you.
17:52 gmcharlt DRUlm: yep, I was addressing the statement
17:55 DRUlm Cool. Good things may happen.
17:55 See ya
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17:57 * chris_n wonders what that was all about
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17:58 brendan @Games coin
17:58 munin brendan: heads
17:59 chris_n @Games coin
17:59 munin chris_n: tails
18:00 gmcharlt boring game, try this:
18:00 @marc 505
18:00 munin gmcharlt: The titles of separate works or parts of an item or the table of contents. The field may also contain statements of responsibility and volume numbers or other sequential designations. (Repeatable) [a,g,r,t,u,6,8]
18:00 gmcharlt ;)
18:00 slef gmcharlt: big red error on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]illa3/reports.cgi
18:01 jwagner gmcharlt, and MARC _isn't_ boring???
18:01 * collum is curious as to what other Games there are.
18:01 brendan @marc 691
18:01 munin brendan: unknown tag 691
18:01 jdavidb @marc 785
18:01 munin jdavidb: Information concerning the immediate successor to the target item (chronological relationship). When a note is generated from this field, the introductory phrase may be generated based on the value in the second indicator position for display. (Repeatable) [b,c,d,g,h,i,k,m,n,o,r,s,t,u,w,x,y,z,6,7,8]
18:01 gmcharlt @list Games
18:01 munin gmcharlt: coin, dice, eightball, monologue, and roulette
18:01 slef @marc 952
18:01 munin slef: unknown tag 952
18:01 slef someone teach munin Koha ;-)
18:01 jwagner @monologue
18:01 munin jwagner: Your current monologue is at least 1 line long.
18:01 slef @marc 785$c
18:01 munin slef: unknown tag 785$c
18:01 gmcharlt @marc 785 c
18:01 munin gmcharlt: Qualifying information
18:02 jdavidb @Games roulette
18:02 munin jdavidb: *click*
18:02 slef @roulette
18:02 munin slef: *click*
18:02 * jdavidb raises an eyebrow
18:02 slef jdavidb: never plaid russian roulette?
18:02 jdavidb oh!  Russian roulette.
18:02 * collum is waiting for a loud boom
18:02 slef played even
18:02 collum: your turn
18:02 collum @Games roulette
18:02 munin collum: *click*
18:03 gmcharlt slef: guess the relevant graphics libs weren't reinstalled when the LL-hosted things were moved a week or so ago
18:03 * jdavidb has a list of people to suggest handing the pistol to...
18:03 chris_n hehe
18:03 slef jdavidb: if it goes bang on the first PTFSer, can we blame karma?
18:04 jdavidb @karma PTFS
18:04 munin jdavidb: Karma for "PTFS" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1.
18:04 slef PTFS--
18:04 let's correct that
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18:04 * jdavidb , being non-autonomous, remains mute.
18:04 slef jdavidb: looks like your turn...
18:05 brendan @Games roulette
18:05 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:05 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
18:05 brendan ouch
18:05 slef I think non-autonomous workers should be illegal, but I'm just an aging leftie.
18:05 nengard okay - did I read the backlog right? munin knows marc??
18:05 * jwagner thought there was a gentleperson's agreement about not attacking us personally?
18:05 slef jwagner: munin is not a person.
18:06 chris_n PTFS++ # for at least having the wisdom to hire jdavidb && jwagner
18:06 jdavidb kinda-sorta, nengard.  It doesn't seem to know it very well.
18:06 nengard that's kind of cool
18:06 slef useful to know, indeed
18:07 sekjal-away is now known as sekjal
18:07 gmcharlt nengard: it's from a supybot plugin that somebody on #code4lib had put together
18:11 slef @roulette
18:11 munin slef: *click*
18:12 owen-away is now known as owen
18:12 brendan slef stays safe again
18:12 @roulette
18:12 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:12 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
18:13 slef brendan: remind me not to swap lucky charms with you.
18:20 jdavidb @roulette
18:20 munin jdavidb: *click*
18:23 cait @roulette
18:23 munin cait: *click*
18:23 * cait surprised
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18:48 jdavidb @roulette
18:48 munin jdavidb: *click*
18:48 * jdavidb snaps his fingers.
18:48 cait @roulette
18:48 munin cait: *click*
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18:49 magnus @roulette
18:49 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
18:49 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
18:49 magnus ouch
18:49 wizzyrea nooo! not magnus!
18:49 @roulette
18:49 munin wizzyrea: *click*
18:49 cait @roulette
18:49 munin cait: *click*
18:49 * wizzyrea high fives cait
18:49 magnus gaaaaahhh...
18:49 cait :)
18:54 @games
18:54 jdavidb @coin
18:54 munin jdavidb: tails
18:55 jdavidb hmpf.  Thought so.
18:55 slef @roulette
18:55 munin slef: *click*
18:56 slef I think the "blank" comment is because munin would kick if it had ops
18:56 jdavidb heh.  That'd be amusing.
18:56 owen If munin had ops at least *someone* could update our topic.
18:57 slef bots and ops is often risky
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19:00 slef 30 minutes until ukgov leaders election debate
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19:37 chris morning
19:39 chris_n hi chris
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19:43 cait morning chris
19:43 brendan morning chris
19:44 @roulette
19:44 munin brendan: *click*
19:44 cait @roulette
19:44 munin cait: *click*
19:44 collum @roulette
19:44 munin *BANG* Hey, who put a blank in here?!
19:44 * munin reloads and spins the chambers.
19:48 cait ok, time to stop playing and go to bed - good night all :)
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19:48 * owen find the situation not quite grim enough to play Russian roulette
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20:33 richard hi
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20:50 sekjal @whatis LDAP
20:50 munin sekjal: "LDAP" could be a wicked pain to get working
20:56 chris back
20:57 richard hi chris and sekja
20:57 brendan wb chris
20:57 richard sekjal even :)
20:58 sekjal :)
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21:11 chris hi jo
21:12 richard very interesting article -  http://koha-community.org/hlt-[…]ssions-with-ptfs/
21:13 chris our waldo friend has chipped in with a comment already
21:20 jo yes I saw that.
21:20 I am amzed at the low level response
21:21 don't believe thatthe community doesn't care ... so shocked I guess but good or bad ?
21:22 chris not sure most people have seen it yet
21:22 wizzyrea oh we care
21:22 jo esp in USA
21:22 reed you cover things pretty nicely in the posting too - so less to clarify by comments
21:22 wizzyrea ^^ what he said
21:22 jo yeah I forgot that time difference
21:22 thanks Reed
21:23 we went for comprehensive and complete rather than short and sweet
21:23 reed it's an important document
21:23 jo Hi Liz
21:24 wizzyrea hello jo :)
21:24 jo Lordy I am so tired my eyeballs feel like sandpaper
21:24 chris ditto
21:24 jo you have to be gentle with me today Chris :)
21:25 and ditto
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21:30 wizzyrea thoughts on this? http://koha-community.org/get-[…]d/for-developers/
21:30 gmcharlt wizzyrea: the searchbox you put in isn't a search of the repos' contents, but of the repos names
21:30 wizzyrea ah okies ty wil fix
21:31 will even
21:31 gmcharlt i.e., I suggest  getting rid of it
21:31 wizzyrea done
21:31 gmcharlt and a direct link to http://git.koha-community.org/ somewhere there would be nice
21:31 wizzyrea yep, wil ldo that too
21:44 Nate gnight #koha!
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22:14 chris http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]April/023637.html
22:15 so the choice is clear
22:15 join the ptfs fork
22:15 s/fork/split
22:15 fork implies open source
22:15 or stay with koha
22:15 i hope libraries chose wisely
22:16 chilts wizzyrea: I just looked at that page, there's a slight link fix to be made : the 'kohadocs.git' link underneat 'Project' in the table needs a 'git.' at the start
22:16 otherwise, looks awesome :)
22:19 larsw I've been working on my Debian package for Koha mostly alone, sometimes talking things with chris; would it be welcome if I explain my plans and goals on koha-devel so others could suggest things?
22:20 chris i wonder if someone should say, the bullying attitude as invinced in this email is a major reason the conference call was declined
22:20 reed oh, wow, so it's official then - ptfs is stepping away
22:20 chris yep
22:20 reed makes the path forward simple enough
22:22 eythian is now known as robin
22:24 gmcharlt larsw: go for it
22:25 in particular, I imagine that there will need to be a debate on the best way to slice and dice the packages to help those who run Koha on split-server configurations
22:26 jo and the fork is official
22:29 I'm relieved to be honest.
22:29 clear choices to be made
22:29 open source or not
22:30 WE just keep doing what we are doing.
22:30 chris_n jo++ # and more so
22:32 reed (little gang of us here at cat. chatting it up agreeingly)
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22:44 jo hi Nicole
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22:48 nengard hi jo
22:48 just came on to see if anyone else was talking about the real nature of open source
22:52 chris im too stupid apparently
22:52 right going to see a demo at larsw desk
22:52 bbiab
22:53 nengard LOL - no one thinks that - no one who knows a thing about Koha, you, and open source that is
22:53 gmcharlt chris: please thank larsw for demoing open source for you ;)
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23:02 Joann hi nicole - sorry having trouble with my PC - i keep locking up
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23:04 nengard no prob at all
23:04 am trying to write 2 presentations for tomorrow
23:04 i thought i had the day off!!! -- and by off I mean time to work on my real job
23:07 Joann hehe
23:07 chris nice reply from lori
23:08 Joann the LL - PTFS experience reveals a lot about the true source of open source -
23:08 and what the community is prepared to defend in ternms of core values and principles
23:09 nengard I'm editing my book on open source for libraries and it's shocking how many times I say the word 'community'
23:09 hopefully people learn from what i wrote
23:09 chris its a good book
23:09 nengard and it gets drilled into their heads what it's all about
23:10 chris every library should buy 2 copies
23:10 :)
23:10 nengard Thanks chris!!!
23:10 it has a pretty good foreword if i do say so myself
23:11 chris hehe
23:11 larsw free and open source software is all about people. people form communities spontaneously. it's not surprising it's a common word in these contexts. (but I really hate it when someone say "I am going to create a community. I just registered a domain name...")
23:11 * mason waves from kapiti....
23:11 chris hi mason
23:12 moodaepo nengard++
23:12 PTFS--
23:15 chilts nengard++ your book looks great :)
23:15 nengard thanks chilts
23:15 july 2010 is right around the corner :) that's when it comes out
23:16 Joann how come they've seen the book?
23:16 chilts I haven't seen it, just a webpage :)
23:16 Joann I still havn't manged to buy a copy of the first one yet ..
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23:24 nengard Joann - http://opensource.web2learning.net has info on it - that's what they saw - well not chris - he saw the book cause he wrote the foreword so he has to read the book :)
23:25 one presentation done -- one to go :)
23:25 chilts yeah, that's what I saw :)
23:25 good luck nengard
23:25 nengard thanks
23:29 russ Joann: i was away yesterday, got your email and Chris and I are sorting a commitment today
23:30 chris yep
23:34 Joann that would be great if you can. its coz its public money and auditors get worried about potential liability etc
23:35 chris yep
23:36 Joann you are amazing Nicole... I don't know how you manage to fit so much into your life
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23:37 Joann chris: thanks
23:37 nengard Joann - me either :)
23:38 but as you all saw - when I crash - I really really crash
23:38 or as you all read/heard :)

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