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| 00:26 | chris_n | larsw++ |
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| 03:03 | genji1 | anyone here? |
| 03:04 | specifically... i have a question about utf8 conversion.... how to go from utf8 to something like \xa7 | |
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| 03:24 | genji1 | Hello Amit/ |
| 03:24 | ? | |
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| 03:40 | Amit_G | genji1 |
| 03:41 | hi genji1, chris | |
| 03:41 | genji1 | hiya. you know how to get utf8 strings to strings like \xa4? |
| 03:52 | nod | genji1: if you have vim you can move the cursour over the utf8 char and type 'ga' |
| 03:53 | it will show you the decimal hex and octal values | |
| 03:54 | genji1 | hmm... im wanting to sidestep buildquery, to go from arabic to \x codes... |
| 03:54 | chris | thats because you arent using zebra eh? |
| 03:55 | nod | genji1: so you want some perl to do that? |
| 03:55 | genji1 | oh, im using zebra... |
| 03:55 | chris | why do you want to do that then? |
| 03:55 | http://koha-community.org/arabic-koha/ have you seen this? | |
| 03:55 | genji1 | but, the Search.pm routines need it in \x format. |
| 03:57 | chris | you should ask them how they did it |
| 03:57 | cos they have it working fine | |
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| 04:13 | genji1 | ya.. i have koha here phrasing arabic from utf8 to \x just fine.... but don't know how its done yet. |
| 04:19 | Amit_G | heya chris i think i become 110th committer on koha |
| 04:20 | chris | yep you did, i sent a patch |
| 04:20 | to update the history | |
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| 06:54 | Amit_G | hi alex_a |
| 06:54 | alex_a | hi Amit_G |
| 06:54 | Ropuch^_ | Morning #koha |
| 06:54 | Amit_G | heya Ropuch |
| 06:55 | @wunder New Delhi | |
| 06:55 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 39.0�C (12:00 PM IST on April 19, 2010). Conditions: Unknown. Humidity: 21%. Dew Point: 13.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1002 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:55 | Amit_G | @wunder Bangalore |
| 06:55 | munin | Amit_G: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 29.0�C (11:30 AM IST on April 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 49%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. |
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| 07:27 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:28 | imp | heyho :) |
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| 07:54 | magnus | g'day #koha |
| 07:56 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
| 07:57 | kf | hi magnus and hdl_laptop |
| 07:59 | chris | hi all |
| 08:01 | kf | hi chris |
| 08:07 | magnus is now known as magnus_meeting | |
| 08:13 | bigbrovar | Hi guys I setup a koha instance for the library of the school where i work. I was able to import their spreadsheet based catalog into koha using marcedit. However I have not been able to get search to work.. when i try to search the follow error shows up in the error.log http://pastebin.com/854XAkyF same thing happens when i run rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 08:14 | I am using koha 3.0.5 on Ubuntu 8.04 I used the following installation guide http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy | |
| 08:16 | chris | you should make sure you followed all the steps in INSTALL.ubuntu |
| 08:16 | specifically the ones around setting up zebra and zebra indexing | |
| 08:20 | that error is just a warn, not an error, can be ignored | |
| 08:20 | when you try to run rebuild_zebra.pl do it with -v for verbose so you can see what happens | |
| 08:21 | rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v | |
| 08:21 | bigbrovar | I followed everything here http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]exing_using_zebra |
| 08:21 | chris | also you need to make sure your zebrarsrv is running |
| 08:21 | bigbrovar: id follow the guide in the tarball, not the wiki | |
| 08:22 | and try it without the -w | |
| 08:22 | also are you sure zerbrasrv is running? | |
| 08:22 | ps axf | grep "zebrasrv" | |
| 08:23 | bigbrovar | chris: I followed the one in the tarball and i ran into some perl deps issues |
| 08:24 | chris | those wont be to do with the search, so you are sure zebrasrv is running, and you saw all the records get indexed when you ran rebuild_zebra? |
| 08:27 | bigbrovar | chris: this is the logs from the rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -v http://pastebin.com/EuFk84zs and this is the output of the ps axf | grep "zebrasrv" http://pastebin.com/11A3qUN0 |
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| 08:30 | chris | that looks good |
| 08:31 | and when you search, in both the opac, and the intranet sites, you get no results? | |
| 08:33 | one thing you can try, is stop the zebrasrv with the init.d script | |
| 08:33 | then run it by hand as the koha user | |
| 08:34 | zebrasrv -f /etc/koha/koha-conf.xml | |
| 08:34 | then try a search and make see what hits zebra | |
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| 08:38 | bigbrovar_ | because when i try to search using the the koha public link http://library.mylibrary.com (which is an intranet site) I cant get search to work. |
| 08:39 | kf | bigbrovar: have you checked zebrasrv is running? |
| 08:39 | chris | but it works on the librarian side? |
| 08:39 | or does it not work on both | |
| 08:40 | bigbrovar_ | chris: ok let me check |
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| 08:43 | bigbrovar_ | chris: omg it does work from the liberian side |
| 08:44 | chris | yeah in that case its probaby just the opacsuppresion |
| 08:44 | bigbrovar_ | chris: I just did a search now and it worked!.. |
| 08:44 | chris: how do i enable opacsuppresion cus that is popping up alot | |
| 08:45 | chris: like most of my googling is saying i need to do something about opacsuppresion | |
| 08:45 | chris | you want to disable t |
| 08:45 | go to systempreferences | |
| 08:47 | bigbrovar_ | chris: it should be under cataloging ? |
| 08:47 | chris | yes |
| 08:47 | set it to don't hide | |
| 08:47 | and then try your search on the opac again | |
| 08:48 | bigbrovar_ | chris: the options are on of off and its already set to off |
| 08:48 | chris | try switching it to on then |
| 08:50 | if that doesnt work, check the value in the db, and make sure its set to 0 | |
| 08:50 | bigbrovar_ | I turned it on again and reindex zebra still no show, searching doesnt work.. and i still get a "No results match your search for “kw,wrdl: An Introduction to Philosophy" |
| 08:51 | chris | ok check it in the db |
| 08:51 | make sure the value for it is set to 0 | |
| 08:51 | no need to reindex | |
| 08:52 | you only need to reindex if you set up a suppress index which you havent done | |
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| 08:52 | chris | i suspect that off is not actually turning it off (or its putting off as the value instead of 0) |
| 08:53 | your biblio records have items eh? | |
| 08:56 | bigbrovar_ | yeah i imported some items from spreadsheet using marcedit and that seems to have gone fine |
| 08:56 | how to i set the value to 0? | |
| 08:58 | chris | because often the opac wont show results if the biblio has no items attached |
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| 08:59 | bigbrovar_ | chris: ok so even if i can search from localhost:8080 and items shows up when i search. it might now work on opac? |
| 08:59 | chris | items or biblios show up? |
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| 09:01 | chris | the librarian can see biblio records that have no items, but the opac often doesnt show them, so you dont show the public records you dont have any copies of |
| 09:02 | how many copies of the introduction to philosophy do you have, ie how many items are attached to that record, you can see that in the librarian interface in the search results, it will say 2 items available etc | |
| 09:04 | bigbrovar_ | chris: it says no items available .. |
| 09:05 | it seems importing catalogs to koha is not enough, i have to define them as items.? | |
| 09:08 | chris | when you import you usually import the item data too |
| 09:08 | it is stored in 952 | |
| 09:09 | try adding an item to one of those records, then reindex and search on it, and see if it now shows up | |
| 09:09 | if so, then that is the problem, you have no items | |
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| 09:12 | chris | early start chris_n` ? |
| 09:13 | bigbrovar_ | how can i add imported catalog from spreadsheet using this guide http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ha_using_marcedit |
| 09:15 | thanks chris i would look into that | |
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| 11:27 | Amit_G | heya nengard, collum |
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| 11:45 | collum | Good morning Amit_G |
| 11:51 | jwagner | Good morning, all |
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| 11:52 | kf | good morning jwagner, collum and Amit_G |
| 11:53 | Amit_G | heya kf, jwagner |
| 11:56 | collum | good morning, all |
| 11:56 | bigbrovar__ | . |
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| 12:06 | bigbrovar__ | is there a way i cna delete all my bilblio records on koha |
| 12:11 | gmcharlt | good morning |
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| 12:21 | jdavidb | Mmmmph. |
| 12:21 | * gmcharlt | hands jdavidb a cup of coffee |
| 12:22 | * jdavidb | pours it in with the IV of diet cola, and mainlines it. |
| 12:22 | * jwagner | hides under my desk for the morning.... |
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| 12:32 | hdl_laptop | salut |
| 12:32 | hi | |
| 12:32 | jwagner | Bonjour |
| 12:35 | kf | bigbrovar__ I think there is a delete (-d?) option for bulkmarcimport script |
| 12:35 | * kf | shares her first self baked brownies |
| 12:36 | jdavidb | kf++ |
| 12:37 | jwagner | Mmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:37 | bigbrovar__ | kf: thanks i figured it out |
| 12:38 | kf | :) |
| 12:38 | must share them before I eat them all | |
| 12:39 | jdavidb | My evil minion made easy-peasy peanut butter cookies last night. Many of them have already disappeared. |
| 12:40 | @karma kf | |
| 12:40 | munin | jdavidb: Karma for "kf" has been increased 9 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 9. |
| 12:40 | kf | growing slowly :) |
| 12:41 | jdavidb | only nine? gosh. Someone's been stingy at giving you good karma, kf. |
| 12:42 | kf | @karma cait |
| 12:42 | munin | kf: Karma for "cait" has been increased 5 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 5. |
| 12:42 | owen | The trouble with multiple nicks |
| 12:42 | Hi all | |
| 12:42 | kf | perhaps people are confused :) |
| 12:42 | jwagner | Well, that's better. munin needs to deal with split personalities, though. |
| 12:44 | kf | @karma konstanz |
| 12:44 | munin | kf: konstanz has neutral karma. |
| 12:44 | kf | oh |
| 12:44 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 12:44 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.0�C (2:40 PM CEST on April 19, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 12:57 | kf | mistake in configuration :( have to restart my fines¬ices test cases *sigh* |
| 12:58 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
| 12:58 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 8.9�C (8:58 AM EDT on April 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1018.8 hPa (Steady). |
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| 13:09 | chris_n` is now known as chris_n | |
| 13:11 | bigbrovar__ | kf: is there anything i need to do after using the bulkmarcimport script -d because after deleting all biblio records, i cant seem to import new staged records to my koha database |
| 13:11 | chris_n | good morning #koha |
| 13:11 | gmcharlt | hi chris_n |
| 13:12 | bigbrovar__ | when i click the "import into catalog" button the browser just doesnt respond and progress stays at 0% |
| 13:12 | kf | bigbrovar__: hm I dont know, have you staged those records before using -d? |
| 13:13 | bigbrovar__: I never mixed bulkmarcimport and staged imports | |
| 13:24 | magnus_meeting is now known as magnus_away | |
| 13:27 | bigbrovar__ | thanks chris_n I finally followed your advise about creating a 956 item and it fixed the problem. search now works again :) |
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| 13:33 | owen | Good morning schuster |
| 13:33 | schuster | Hey! Back from TLA - now to catch up on everything I didn't get done while at a conference... And planning for ALA, and dreaming of 3.2 release! |
| 13:37 | owen | schuster: One of my Ohio colleagues was at TLA I think... Laura Solomon |
| 13:37 | schuster | her and about 7,996 other of your closest librarian friends from Texas ;) |
| 13:38 | did she present or a vendor? | |
| 13:39 | owen | She presented, but I'm not sure what |
| 13:39 | Probably social media or Second Life | |
| 13:40 | schuster | I just started to read the latest newsletter!! WOW what a great list of articles and features for hopefully 3.2 - especially the did you mean. I sure hope that makes it in! |
| 13:40 | owen - there was a second life presentation... I did't attend it - not something I'm overly interested in, but there was a LOT of great content at the conference and I found myself often having to choose between 2 things. | |
| 13:42 | * owen | has got to get himself to one of these librarian meetings some day. |
| 13:45 | schuster | Don't be fooled... we are not all work... Librarians let down their hair at a conference... Just ask the hotel and restaurant operators from San Antonio last week. |
| 13:46 | jwagner | HAH! I _knew_ you weren't all sipping lemonade! |
| 13:47 | schuster | Oh but it was goood lemonade. |
| 13:48 | jwagner | Is that the stuff they advertise as Mike's Hard Lemonade? |
| 13:48 | owen | I thought down south it was always mint juleps |
| 13:48 | schuster | Margarita... |
| 13:49 | * chris_n | grumbles about the near total lack of indentation in the template files |
| 13:50 | owen | Total lack? |
| 13:52 | chris_n | only "near" |
| 13:52 | ie. opac-results*.tmpl files | |
| 13:53 | owen | chris_n: You're working with opac-results-grouped now aren't you? |
| 13:54 | chris_n | yes, and comparing it to opac-results.tmpl |
| 13:54 | owen | I haven't touched opac-results-grouped in a long time because I wasn't aware it was working |
| 13:54 | * chris_n | wonders if owen is psychic :) |
| 13:56 | chris_n | owen: I am messing with the pazpar2 stuff that chris has been doing |
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| 13:57 | chris_n | the grouped version of the template differs quite dramatically from the other, so I thought I might mess with it a bit and try to bring it more into sync |
| 13:59 | owen | I'm not psychic, I saw in the log that you were messing with pazpar2 |
| 14:00 | I remembered that LibLime has worked on the federated search a long time ago and then dropped it, so I wasn't aware it was functional | |
| 14:03 | kf | chris_n: would like to see how it works. is configurtion difficult? |
| 14:03 | chris_n | I don't know about the LL thing. I'm more interested in the ability to search other resources and group the results |
| 14:04 | kf: I just pulled two patches from chris's repo, setup pazpar2, and things work for testing purposes | |
| 14:06 | the pazpar2 setup is not straight forward if you did not select it during Makefile.PL | |
| 14:06 | kf | pulling patches - sounds difficult for me :) but perhaps there will be some time this week to play |
| 14:06 | chris_n | you have to sub out all of the __VARS__ by hand in the config files |
| 14:07 | kf | uh |
| 14:09 | chris_n | I don't think you can get away with just rerunning rewrite-config.PL as I think it relies upon env vars exported by makefile |
| 14:11 | chris has it setup to search project gutenberg | |
| 14:11 | and I added archive.org to my config | |
| 14:14 | kf: the last two commits here are the ones: http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]h=refs/heads/ashs | |
| 14:17 | kf | chris_n: not sure I will get the VARS right, perhaps reinstall koha with pazpar2 first... hm. |
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| 14:19 | kf | chris_n: thx :) |
| 14:31 | chris_n | kf: a reinstall with pazpar2 would be the easier route |
| 14:33 | kf: you probably could do: 'perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log' and then do 'make && make install' rather than upgrade and get it done over-top of your present install if you wanted that | |
| 14:36 | kf | I use virtual box - so its easy to try :) |
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| 14:53 | kf | ok, time to leave - bye #koha |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | http://koha-community.org/supp[…]ha-mailing-lists/ cool? sucky? |
| 14:57 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: if you're citing whose hosting it, Katipo should get credit for hosting the main one |
| 14:58 | I like the insertion of the latest messages from the main mailing list | |
| 14:59 | * owen | too! |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | Ah, yes, good point |
| 15:00 | gmcharlt | but you should probably do the same for the French and Spanish ones, and any other language-specific main users lists that crop up |
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| 15:00 | gmcharlt | s/spanish/Spanish/ |
| 15:01 | s/german/German/, etc. | |
| 15:02 | * chris_n | likes the latest messages as well |
| 15:02 | * wizzyrea | copied all of the text from the old Koha site |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | well, with minor revisions |
| 15:02 | ;) | |
| 15:02 | will fix language caps tho | |
| 15:03 | chris_n | is there anything hindering us from having a copy of the koha 3.0 manual on the new site rather than pointing back to the old site? |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | yes, LL copyright. |
| 15:03 | owen | Boo. :P |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea | ^^ what he said |
| 15:03 | chris_n | so it was not released under any sort of license? |
| 15:05 | wizzyrea | I am not sure, when we set up the site I wasn't really interested in tempting the lawsuit gods by copying it over. |
| 15:05 | lemme check | |
| 15:05 | owen | nengard worked on it when she was a LibLime employee, therefore LL copyright |
| 15:06 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 15:06 | and it doesn't have the license attached to it like the 3.2 manual does | |
| 15:06 | at least not the online version | |
| 15:06 | though the entire site says distributed under GNU GPL | |
| 15:07 | * wizzyrea | is not an expert in these things |
| 15:07 | owen | The general rule of thumb: If it was possible for LL to be a dick about something, we planned for that contingency |
| 15:08 | wizzyrea | owen++ for succinctly stating my position |
| 15:08 | owen | See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S[…]lic_participation |
| 15:13 | paul_p | wizzyrea, about the mailing lists : we are willing & ready to move to koha-community.org (we changed our server, and asked LL for a DNS move, but of course had no answer) |
| 15:13 | chris_n | so the 3.0 manual was the sole work of LL then? |
| 15:13 | paul_p | (so the server is live only for koha mailing lists) |
| 15:14 | owen | chris_n: It may have been the sole work of nengard while she was there, she would be the one to ask |
| 15:14 | * owen | can't remember if others contributed |
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| 15:15 | chris_n | snap |
| 15:15 | * chris_n | wonders if nengard knew we were just mentioning her? |
| 15:15 | owen | nengard's ears were burning? |
| 15:15 | chris_n | nengard: is the 3.0 manual the sole work of LL? |
| 15:16 | nengard | nengard - the 3.0 manual is the sole work of ME - but it's copyrighted by LL |
| 15:16 | oops - i meant chris_n -- not talking to myself :) hehe | |
| 15:16 | it's monday | |
| 15:16 | chris_n | lol |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | paul_p: we'll get it in due time I"m sure. :) |
| 15:17 | nengard | is that what you were talking about me for? |
| 15:17 | the manual? | |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:17 | :) | |
| 15:19 | one would think, with all the other crap they have to deal with now, LL would be so excited to offload their community responsibilities | |
| 15:20 | especially with so many capable people ready to help | |
| 15:20 | brb | |
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| 15:22 | owen | I think the people who are actively managing those responsibilities aren't the ones allowed to make that decision |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | of course they're not |
| 15:26 | oh this is a cool post, good idea: http://koha-community.org/koha-project-stats/ | |
| 15:27 | (not my idea) | |
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| 15:33 | chris_n | niced |
| 15:34 | nice even | |
| 15:34 | wizzyrea | man, now I have this urge to see whether there is a unix daemon 'niced' |
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| 15:35 | chris_n | lol :) |
| 15:35 | wizzyrea | which the more I think about it, is funny on multiple levels. *sigh* I'm in a strange mood today |
| 15:36 | has anybody looked at elgg? | |
| 15:37 | elgg.org | |
| 15:37 | * gmcharlt | ponders the applications of renice(1) |
| 15:38 | wizzyrea | not that the world needs more social networks really, but wowie could you make one hell of a sopac with that. |
| 15:53 | * jdavidb | would have fun with elgg...create a meta-social-network, where you relink things from all your others...or start a 12-step group for social-networking addicts... |
| 15:54 | nengard | hmmmm - http://twitter.com/dougoftheab[…]tuses/12460072821 |
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| 15:57 | wizzyrea | wonder what he saw |
| 15:57 | owen | It might be neat to use elgg as an organization-specific social network, let your staff create a new way to share info |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | that guy, if you look at his tweets, he's an extreme pessimist, lol |
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| 16:02 | nengard | HA - that's why i didn't bother answering him |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | maybe it's just his online persona. Couldn't hurt to find out what he thinks I guess. |
| 16:04 | I'll bite :P | |
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| 16:09 | owen | So... If you want to get statistics by collection code, and you pull data from the statistics table by saying "where statistics.itemnumber = items.itemnumber," you won't be able to count circs of items which have since been deleted. |
| 16:09 | chris_n | humm.... "Extremely not user-friendly..." not Koha.... but perhaps Zebra :) |
| 16:10 | owen | What would be the best way to pull in data from deleteditems? |
| 16:10 | "OR statistics.itemnumber = deleteditems.itemnumber" ? | |
| 16:12 | chris_n | owen: sounds like that might work |
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| 16:17 | nengard | can someone send me a screenshot of the overdues with fines report with data on it? I don't have any data in my system, but need a screenshot for the manual |
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| 16:20 | CGI484 | hola |
| 16:21 | owen | Hi CGI484 |
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| 16:21 | CGI484 | alguien que me pueda ayudar con el Koha? |
| 16:22 | hola | |
| 16:22 | mmm | |
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| 16:27 | CGI616 | op´ |
| 16:27 | op{ | |
| 16:27 | rylfh | |
| 16:28 | owen | Yes we can see what you're typing CGI616 |
| 16:29 | CGI616 | hello |
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| 16:30 | owen | It's gonna be a long day |
| 16:30 | chris_n | hehe |
| 16:31 | hdl_laptop | nengard: I fear we donot often use fines in France. |
| 16:31 | SAN does. | |
| 16:31 | But might be our only customer | |
| 16:32 | chris_n | nengard: I have data with some overdues... om |
| 16:32 | nengard | K - no prob, I'm sure a US library can help |
| 16:33 | under the Circulation menu | |
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| 16:39 | cait | hi #koha |
| 16:43 | jdavidb | hi, cait. :) |
| 16:50 | cait | :) |
| 16:52 | brendan | morning |
| 16:52 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 16:52 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in ASOS_HFM SANTA BARBARA, CA, Santa Barbara, California is 13.9�C (9:30 AM PDT on April 19, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:52 | cait | morning brendan |
| 16:52 | @wunder konstanz | |
| 16:52 | munin | cait: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 17.3�C (6:50 PM CEST on April 19, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Steady). |
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| 16:59 | cait1 | windows-- |
| 17:00 | @karma windoes | |
| 17:00 | munin | cait1: windoes has neutral karma. |
| 17:00 | cait1 | @karma windows |
| 17:00 | munin | cait1: Karma for "windows" has been increased 0 times and decreased 2 times for a total karma of -2. |
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| 17:03 | chris_n | windows-- # /me jumps on the band-wagon |
| 17:03 | SJeffery | Does anyone have a rough idea of the number of lines of code in Koha? |
| 17:03 | chris_n | http://koha-community.org/koha-project-stats/ |
| 17:03 | SJeffery | hah, fantastic |
| 17:04 | owen | Timely! |
| 17:04 | SJeffery | Our IT department came back with "hey, it is just checkin and checkout functions, why can't we just code the application" |
| 17:05 | owen | Down this dark road many an unwary traveler has passed |
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| 17:05 | owen | SJeffery: On the other hand, that's what the original developers of Koha said too :) "It's just a big database, right?" |
| 17:06 | SJeffery | Heh, true. Unfortunately I can't send a reply of *facepalm* |
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| 17:19 | schuster | another question - I thought there was some discussion that 3.2 would have a merge bib feature? |
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| 17:27 | nengard | schuster yes |
| 17:28 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=c6726#AEN6845 | |
| 17:28 | http://koha-community.org/docu[…]?ch=c7676#AEN7771 | |
| 17:28 | it's already in 3.2 and works great! | |
| 17:29 | cait | windows-- #again... |
| 17:30 | chris_n | cait: lol... why not 'while (1){print'windows--\n';}' |
| 17:31 | cait | no, laptop could get angry with me... |
| 17:34 | wizzyrea | yea, it's a big database, with millions and millions of exceptions. |
| 17:34 | and exceptions to the exception | |
| 17:34 | s | |
| 17:34 | I could go on. | |
| 17:34 | cait | :) |
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| 17:37 | * chris_n | wonders what db wizzyrea is referring to |
| 17:39 | owen | My comment at 13:05 |
| 17:46 | wizzyrea | oh, angry twitterboy was mad about the install being hard. |
| 17:46 | we have a deb pkg coming soon though, right? | |
| 17:47 | gmcharlt | certainly much more forward progress on it |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | cool, will tell him that |
| 17:47 | (of COURSE the install process isn't user friendly. Sheesh.) | |
| 17:48 | it's only admin friendly, and sometimes not even that. | |
| 17:48 | gmcharlt | although remarkably functional if one follows the instructions precisely |
| 17:48 | wizzyrea | true! |
| 17:48 | gmcharlt | I realize that isn't a substitue for true usabilty, but still ... |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | i'm not doggin on it. Really, I'm not. There's always room for improvement |
| 17:49 | apt-get install koha would rule. | |
| 17:52 | wajasu | i made an archlinux pacman PKGBUILD that builds and archlinux koha-mysql-zebra-3.3_alpha.tar.pkg.gz from source, and chooses mysql,zebra,dom, and has perl deps from the makefile. but i had to write a script to pull and build all the perl deps and make perl-<MODULE> archlinux packages as well. |
| 17:52 | 20 minutes as opposed to a couple of hours. | |
| 17:54 | gmcharlt | wajasu: the difference is that you knew enough about the platform to do that - sometimes we gets questions like "why isn't there a README for my obscure distro? GIVE IT TO ME NOW!" or "why did this deviation from the instructions that I made without understanding cause something to break?" |
| 17:56 | nengard | can someone please come tell the man next door to stop with the chain saw - my head hurts and he's not helping :( |
| 17:56 | * chris_n | notes that many people don't even read the INSTALL.flavor files before asking for them |
| 17:56 | wizzyrea | boo |
| 17:58 | it's all true: you can't control your users. :( | |
| 17:58 | wajasu | making a package for a dist is an art (dependency problem). but I am waiting for your 3.2 release to put it in the archlinux AUR source build repo. It would be nice to have a makefile.PL option to spit out the perl dependency list with the >= version numbers so I can use that to drive my script to grab the perl modules from CPAN. Right now I have to inspect and diff that long list. |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | wajasu: good idea |
| 18:01 | chris_n | wajasu: I have code that can generate the perl dep list |
| 18:01 | * chris_n | just needs time to polish it up and submit it :-( |
| 18:02 | brendan | sounds pretty cool http://koha-community.org/koha[…]2010/#newfeatures |
| 18:02 | biblibre++ | |
| 18:11 | wajasu | i listened to that library gang site audio. now I understand the struggles of the library community more. |
| 18:14 | its funny, because the computer IT world build the infrastructure to allow businesses to classify information, using metadata repos, and its a tough problem with politics as well. fold in UNIONS and other self interests and roadblocks abound. | |
| 18:16 | i think projects like this will encapsulate and bypass the existing institutions (even LOC). just build it and they will come. | |
| 18:19 | i keep hitting projects where identifier vocabulary need to be downloadable on demand, and drive the underlying application. But thats a hard problem. Every agency/org/industry wants to control their industry and say they determine those identfiers. | |
| 18:20 | what if a generic service like DNS but for identifiers/vocabularies is made available by the few experts, and the rest of us bind accordingly to those to drive our solutions. | |
| 18:20 | sorry for the rant. maybe not applicable to this channel. | |
| 18:21 | gmcharlt | wajasu: no, it's fine |
| 18:22 | it's a long road to get there, with potential pitfalls such as Google ending up with a monopoly on everything | |
| 18:22 | have you done much reading about RDF? | |
| 18:23 | wajasu | not enough, but the solutions needs to be outside of google, as it must pass away as well. |
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| 18:28 | wajasu | the deal is language (words change meaning over time) and the solution must account for that. concepts must be described, and the subjects/words we bind to the concepts must do so accordingly. |
| 18:30 | this has been the function of programmers, but the tools/engines need to be shared, in an ESB on the internet. Of course, who does one trust to be their provider. Today it google, etc. | |
| 18:38 | * chris_n | thinks reverting to a pictorial rather than an alphabetic/phonetic language would fix many communication problems :) |
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| 18:38 | chobbs | wizzyrea: thanks for IP |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | you're welcome :) |
| 18:41 | chobbs | Here's one I thought I'd solved once before, but I've re-imported records since. All items show "No copies available" in opac-search.pl, but opac-detail.pl shows items correctly. Staff client shows correctly as well. Any ideas? |
| 18:41 | wajasu | chris_n: i agree |
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| 18:45 | chobbs | Example: http://koha.nhusd.k12.ca.us/cg[…]limit=branch%3AES |
| 18:53 | Looks like somebody got DNS squared away again! | |
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| 19:18 | chris | morning |
| 19:20 | cait | morning chris and good night #koha |
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| 19:24 | chris_n | g'morning chris |
| 19:28 | chris | hi chris_n |
| 19:35 | how cool is this | |
| 19:35 | brendan | morning chris |
| 19:36 | chris_n | heya brendan |
| 19:36 | chris | koha_3.2.git20100419223812.1d56af6c-1_all.deb |
| 19:38 | chris_n | nice |
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| 19:57 | chris | bus time |
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| 20:38 | chris | back |
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| 20:47 | richard | hi |
| 20:48 | chris | hiya richard |
| 20:48 | richard | hi chris |
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| 22:24 | JeremyHumboldt | Has anyone installed the latest production koha on bluehost.com? |
| 22:26 | larsw | koha produces some log files... are they important for anything except debugging problem situations? |
| 22:26 | I am wondering if I should make the Debian packaging for Koha remove everything in /var/log/koha/ when the package is purged from the system | |
| 22:27 | in other words, if you uninstall koha, would you want the logs to be removed too, or might they have useful information that you want to keep? | |
| 22:28 | chris | i think removed |
| 22:28 | JeremyHumboldt: not me, does bluehost.com let you install modules from cpan? | |
| 22:32 | larsw | chris, ack, I'll make the package remove /var/log/koha |
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| 22:45 | brendan | afternoon all |
| 22:46 | chris | hi brendan |
| 22:51 | JeremyHumboldt | jeremyHumboldt to chris -- Good idea, I'll check. |
| 22:51 | thanks, later... | |
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| 22:57 | * larsw | declares the Debian packaging for koha to be Perfect, Beautiful, and Timeless, with no changes ever needed again, forever, after the latest patch he sent |
| 22:58 | eythian | larsw: until build ~catalyst2 ? |
| 22:58 | larsw | (I'll say anything to get people to test it ;-) |
| 22:59 | chris_n | but perfect code = no job ;) |
| 23:00 | brendan | larsw++ |
| 23:03 | chris_n | @seen Amit |
| 23:03 | munin | chris_n: Amit was last seen in #koha 1 week, 6 days, 10 hours, 49 minutes, and 26 seconds ago: <Amit> heya kf, gmcharlt |
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