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00:49 | chris | crazy day |
01:03 | * SelfishMan | looks around room |
01:03 | decides to go back to sleep | |
01:04 | * chris_n | follows SelfishMan's example |
01:04 | SelfishMan | I'm just going to assume that the PTFS thing is a nightmare |
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01:50 | joetho2 | i think it meets most definitions |
01:51 | wierd | |
01:51 | a little horrible | |
01:52 | recurring | |
01:52 | you sound crazy when you try to explain it to someone else | |
02:28 | * larsw | prepares to send a 33 part patch series to koha-patches, hopefully it will go OK |
02:56 | chris | :) |
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06:53 | IrmaCalyx | Hi all |
06:57 | chris | hiya IrmaCalyx |
07:03 | IrmaCalyx | Hi Chris |
07:03 | chris | how goes sydney? |
07:04 | IrmaCalyx | Calyx & Co is doing fine thks |
07:05 | chris | good to hear :) |
07:05 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
07:12 | chris | hiya Ropuch |
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07:45 | chris | hi laurence |
07:45 | laurence | hi chris |
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08:16 | nagaindian_chen | hi all i am the new user |
08:19 | from Chennai | |
08:21 | i got training from university of madras koha workshop last week | |
08:24 | chris | cool |
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08:25 | chris | hi alex_a, hows the 2nd day going? :) |
08:26 | hdl_laptop | hi |
08:26 | chris | hiya hdl_laptop, ltns |
08:26 | hows things going? | |
08:50 | slef | hdl_laptop: can you pull smallbugs from git://git.gitorious.org/koha/mainline.git please? It contains a backported fix for Bug 2547 which ought to get into 3.0.x. |
08:50 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2547 normal, P3, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, $ sign in boraccount / fines / account tab |
08:50 | slef | morning all |
08:55 | chris | hi slef |
08:58 | Ropuch | Hi slef |
08:58 | chris | slef: can you push 3.0.x to gitorious please |
08:58 | i just killed it by accident | |
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09:00 | slef | chris: will do |
09:01 | chris | thanks |
09:15 | slef | chris: I think that's done. Had a little local problem during pull. |
09:17 | Ropuch | chris: are you still in chrage of pootle? |
09:18 | I've just registered an account for our trainee, so he can make some suggestion that i can review later | |
09:19 | slef | just read the PTFS buys LibLime news, including the "PTFS pledges to enhance and maintain the www.koha.org site" bit :-( |
09:19 | Ropuch | But with the new account I'm able to add/delete entries in translations - they don't show as suggestions |
09:22 | chris | slef: yeah, i think we just continue on with koha-community and let PTFS come to us when they decide to join the community |
09:22 | Ropuch: whats the username? | |
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09:39 | paul_p | hello world |
09:39 | chris about ? | |
09:40 | slef | hi paul_p |
09:40 | chris | hiya paul_p |
09:40 | slef | chris was about 0921 |
09:40 | paul_p | I think everybody already knows that PTFS has bought LL (finally !) |
09:42 | the important sentence on the PR is : "PTFS pledges to enhance and maintain the www.koha.org site as the focal point for the world’ s Koha activities– the place to find the latest information on Koha support, documentation, news, and downloads." | |
09:42 | chris | yeah, slef and I commented on that already |
09:43 | i would be much much much happier if it said | |
09:43 | PTFS pledges to work with the rest of the koha community to ..... | |
09:43 | as it stands it reads like 'we plan to be like liblime and do whatever we want' | |
09:44 | what i said earlier was | |
09:44 | 22:22 < chris> slef: yeah, i think we just continue on with koha-community and let PTFS come to us when they decide to join the community | |
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10:07 | paul_p | back from phone call... |
10:07 | chris | :) |
10:07 | paul_p | my opinion on this is that it would have been more clear if PTFS had written : "PTFS pledges to re-open" instead of "PTFS pledges to enhance and maintain" |
10:08 | but i'm an optimitic man, so, i'll say it will be a good news at the end. | |
10:08 | chris | :) |
10:08 | slef | hope for the best but prepare for the worst |
10:09 | do we think the "it's all off" was one side trying to move the price? | |
10:09 | chris | who knows, US business practices make my brain hurt |
10:09 | paul_p | I had JY on phone 3 weeks ago. He asked me a question that sounded strange, but now is more clear : "what would make the community happy". I answered "just give back koha.org to the community". he added "is that all?" I answered "maybe give back the trademark, but that's a US specific problem we don't have in Europe" |
10:10 | my feeling (totally un-argued) is that PTFS realised they could say "no" to the LL price and just would have to wait a little bit to see LL going back and say "OK, which price do you want to pay" | |
10:10 | if I'm right, then, they were right to do that ;-) | |
10:11 | + josh had only 2 options : sell at the PTFS price or loose everything | |
10:11 | chris | we'll probably never know |
10:11 | paul_p | right |
10:11 | chris | and im not sure it even matters :) |
10:12 | as i see it, the ball is in ptfs court, we just keep on keeping on, and they do whatever they decide to do | |
10:12 | paul_p | i agree with you. |
10:13 | but i'll send a mail to JY to congratulate him & say i've noticed the "PTFS pledges...", and ask for what it could mean | |
10:15 | chris | cant hurt |
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10:39 | Ropuch | http://blog.okfn.org/2010/03/1[…]bliographic-data/ |
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10:42 | gmcharlt | greetings |
10:42 | chris_n | g'morning gmcharlt |
10:43 | * chris_n | goes to scare up breakfast |
10:43 | gmcharlt | then you cook it? ;) |
10:43 | sounds rather labor intensive | |
10:45 | chris | morning usa |
10:45 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
10:45 | chris | the cormack family goes to the football http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]p?g2_itemId=72383 |
10:46 | gmcharlt | hopefully now that Jo is a "mover and shaker", she'll be listened to more regarding Koha community requests ;) |
10:46 | atu looks like a little bee | |
10:47 | oops, sorry, wrong kid | |
10:47 | chris_n | gmcharlt: not too labor intensive... bagals and microwave bacon :) |
10:47 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/f[…]w-Phoenix-vs-Jets |
10:48 | kahu loves singing the "wellington is wonderful song" ... it was really loud, you can hear the goals (if you have sound onr your computer, that sound is from the microphone on the pitch) | |
10:50 | "wellington is wonderful, we have the wind, the rain, and the phoenix" :) | |
10:51 | gmcharlt | and sponsorship by Sony, I see :) |
10:51 | chris | the club is mostly bankrolled by one guy |
10:52 | gmcharlt | one of the guys in suits in the slideshow? |
10:52 | chris | yep |
10:52 | its the only nz team, in the australian league, and the only team that sells out its stadium :) | |
10:53 | braedon|home | well, this year |
10:53 | previously, not so much | |
10:54 | chris | since its been in wellington it has had consistently bigger crowds than the australian teams |
10:54 | when it was auckland .. yeah it had about 5 people :) | |
10:54 | braedon|home | haha |
10:54 | chris | i saw the kings play, they were horrible |
11:28 | i reckon catalyst could run a smoulder server gmcharlt | |
11:28 | i had one running for stuff | |
11:28 | so i know how to set it up | |
11:29 | and now, bed time | |
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11:36 | gmcharlt | chris: cool |
11:36 | and good night | |
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12:16 | jwagner | Good morning all |
12:16 | collum | Good morning jwagner |
12:17 | * jwagner | must not be awake yet. Started to head into the kitchen to get my tea, then realized it was sitting in front of me. |
12:18 | jwagner | hdl_laptop or paul_p, online? |
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12:23 | owen | Hi everyone |
12:24 | gmcharlt | hi jwagner |
12:24 | jwagner | Hi |
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12:25 | gmcharlt | hi schuster |
12:27 | paul_p | hi jwagner & everyone |
12:28 | jwagner | paul_p, question for you. I'm working through the 3.2 version, and you have a syspref for OpacPrivacy. I can't find where to apply it, though. Am I missing something? |
12:28 | paul_p | jwagner, I don't understand your question |
12:29 | jwagner | I thought you had a feature for anonymizing patron reading history in this version, and the OpacPrivacy syspref seems to be for that, but I can't see that it does anything. Is there something else that needs to be set? |
12:29 | schuster | Hey all - looks like another day of speculation! |
12:30 | paul_p | maybe the patch hasn't been applied by gmcharlt ? |
12:30 | schuster, right ! maybe we have more interesting things to do (like hacking ;-) ) | |
12:30 | jwagner | I'm trying to identify where we have parallel development -- we have a feature for wiping reading history too. |
12:30 | schuster, speculation is our middle name :-) | |
12:30 | gmcharlt | paul_p: opacprivacy is present in the code |
12:31 | jwagner | Turning the syspref off or on doesn't seem to make a difference, though -- I can still see old checkouts. |
12:31 | gmcharlt | hmm, bug, then, I suppose |
12:32 | paul_p | jwagner : the privacy is applied only when you run the anonymizer |
12:33 | jwagner | A script? |
12:33 | paul_p | tools/cleanborrowers.pl |
12:33 | jwagner | OK, I'll check that out. Thanks. |
12:35 | I didn't see a place for the patron to opt in or out, though -- is it all or nothing? i.e., every patron's history will get wiped? | |
12:35 | paul_p | jwagner, there's a script opac-privacy.pl |
12:35 | where the patron can say 1- never anonymise, 2- follow the library rules 3- immediatly anonymize | |
12:36 | jwagner | But where does the patron say that? I'm logged into the OPAC and I don't see an option. |
12:41 | paul_p | jwagner, just sent you the patch I submitted in december |
12:42 | in opac-user.pl (where usermenu.inc is used), there is a new tab "my privacy" | |
12:43 | that is displayed if syspref "OPacPrivacy" is ON | |
12:43 | jwagner | Got it. Is that in head yet? I updated my system yesterday but am not seeing that tab. |
12:43 | The syspref is on. | |
12:44 | paul_p | just look in usermenu.inc, you should see "my privacy" |
12:44 | if it is not, then ping galen and ask him about what may have happend ;-) | |
12:45 | jwagner | pinging gmcharlt :-) I don't see that code in usermenu.inc. |
12:46 | * gmcharlt | will check |
12:46 | gmcharlt | jwagner: would you happen to have a synopsis of the areas of parallel development you've done? |
12:46 | paul_p | gmcharlt, do you need my december patch ? |
12:47 | gmcharlt | paul_p: nope, the archive has all |
12:48 | jwagner | Overall I see about five major areas where we have overlap. In a couple of cases, I think we can merge ours into yours; we're going to have to look at the others more closely. |
12:49 | gmcharlt | what are the five areas? |
12:49 | jwagner | The problem children are going to be batch item edit, batch item delete (both of which I think we can combine ours into BibLibre's), bib merge, reading history, and fast add. |
12:49 | There are a couple of others where our development was almost identical. These five, though, take different approaches. | |
12:51 | bib merge may be the easiest -- we took very different approaches, and both may be able to coexist without conflict. The question is whether that would be too confusing for users. | |
12:52 | gmcharlt | that one may be resolved by having both in early 3.4 and seeing which one works best before settling on one when 3.4 is released |
12:53 | paul_p | gmcharlt, we already have our bib merge in 3.2 (I think) |
12:53 | gmcharlt | right |
12:53 | the PTFS version would go into 3.4, and we'd see which one "wins" | |
12:53 | jwagner | paul_p, ours is a different approach (lives under tools) -- there would be no direct code conflict, I think. Just usability questions. |
12:53 | gmcharlt | or else just have a system preference to choose one or the other |
12:54 | in the long run, though, there would be a code maintenance issue | |
12:54 | paul_p | ( my fault, but we have some other new features on the way, that I should add to the wiki...) |
12:54 | gmcharlt | paul_p: yep, get on that, please :) |
12:54 | paul_p | like bulkedit biblio |
12:54 | jwagner | And to bugzilla? |
12:54 | paul_p | jwagner, yep, on both |
12:54 | gmcharlt | yep |
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12:55 | paul_p | did everyone see my announcement about alex_a being the new BibLibre developer ? (started yesterday) |
12:55 | gmcharlt | hi alex_a |
12:55 | jwagner | I think all of our current devel list is in bugzilla except for maybe one or two. I have some new devel that I need to get sorted out & entered. |
12:55 | Welcome alex_a | |
12:56 | alex_a | Hi |
12:56 | hi gmcharlt | |
12:56 | thanks jwagner | |
12:57 | owen | Hi alex_a |
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13:12 | CGI445 | hello |
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13:26 | jwagner | @quote random |
13:26 | munin | jwagner: Quote #44: "<thd> People make bugs fairly much in the degree to which they contribute to the code" (added by gmcharlt at 04:07 PM, October 30, 2009) |
13:27 | schuster | Question for you programmer type and release managers... I am working on a command line batch load utility which is about done. We mimicked the staff interface, and in doing so there are "responses/defaults" that can be done during a load. |
13:29 | What our programmer did was to direct it to a file so if the table row was referenced as it loaded the file would also load the default. My question is - where should that "default" file live? I see the borrower_import_command.pl living in the cronjobs folder so is it ok for this "default" file to live there as well? | |
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13:37 | schuster | Jane can't decide who she wants to be today... watch out that either means lots of productivity or looking for a way to not be productive. |
13:37 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
13:37 | schuster | jdavidb - must not be around... ;) |
13:38 | jwagner | schuster, I'm ALWAYS looking for a way to avoid doing any work :-) Sometimes that involves more work than doing the original work would have..... |
13:38 | gmcharlt | schuster: misc/cronjobs is fine for now for that file |
13:40 | schuster | thanks gmcharlt - he had setup a new directory during testing to house his temporary testing files, but I'm going to have him tweak a couple other things before we submit this. I need to do a little more testing on 3.2 as it was based on 3.0 code, but I don't think there were any patron load modifications for 3.2. |
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14:33 | rhcl | Quote "do we think the "it's all off" was one side trying to move the price" de slef |
14:33 | yes, clearly so | |
14:33 | slef | hi rhcl |
14:33 | any guess as to which way? ;-) | |
14:34 | * owen | would think the buyer had the power |
14:37 | rhcl | Hey slef |
14:43 | wizzyrea_laptop | humbug. |
14:53 | hilongo | bgkriegel: Hola Bernardo! :) |
14:57 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: have you received the many bug fix patches I have been sending this week ? |
14:57 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: yep, I'm going through them |
14:58 | hdl_laptop | cool |
15:00 | bgkriegel | hi hilongo |
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15:12 | hdl_laptop | Hola migue |
15:12 | l | |
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15:31 | jwagner | @wunder 20817 |
15:31 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 13.6�C (11:30 AM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Steady). |
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15:35 | miguel-xercode | hello henrry |
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15:58 | schuster | grumbles as can't get the table sorter to work on intranet detail.pl... |
15:59 | owen | Does your javascript match the table ID? Does the table have a <thead> and a <tbody> ? |
16:01 | schuster | Yes on table ID, checking on tbody I know it has a thead. |
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16:03 | brendan | afternoon #koha |
16:03 | schuster | now does have a tbody - but still no cute little dropdowns arrows for sorting. blah... |
16:03 | sekjal | afternoon, brendan |
16:06 | schuster | My biggest concern is where the function is on the detail.tmpl on the intranet there are LOTS of functions there. |
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16:51 | brendan | @weather 05334 |
16:51 | munin | brendan: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
16:51 | brendan | @weather 05344 |
16:51 | moodaepo | @weather 56001 |
16:51 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Southern Vermont, Newfane, Vermont is 10.8�C (12:40 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 28%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 30.18 in 1021.9 hPa (Rising). |
16:51 | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 4.3�C (11:46 AM CDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 30.30 in 1026.0 hPa (Rising). | |
16:52 | wizzyrea_laptop | @wunder lawrence ks |
16:52 | munin | wizzyrea_laptop: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 4.8�C (11:51 AM CDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.36 in 1028.0 hPa (Rising). |
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17:22 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
17:22 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.3�C (1:20 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 26%. Dew Point: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1003.9 hPa (Rising). |
17:23 | chris | morning |
17:23 | sekjal | morning, chris |
17:23 | owen | Hi chris |
17:23 | chris_n | g'morning chris |
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18:14 | collum | @wunder 41011 |
18:14 | munin | collum: The current temperature in Newport Aquarium, Newport, Kentucky is 14.9�C (2:10 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1020.9 hPa (Falling). |
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18:23 | owen | @wunder 45701 |
18:23 | munin | owen: The current temperature in Ohio University, Athens, Ohio is 13.9�C (2:16 PM EDT on March 16, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 44%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Rising). |
18:24 | owen | Somewhere between Kentucky and North Carolina. Makes a certain amount of sense I guess. |
18:39 | jwagner | @quote random |
18:39 | munin | jwagner: Quote #22: "<jdavidb> owen: you wouldn't know this, being the skinny thing you are, but it is also good for maintaining a panoramic physique, like mine." (added by gmcharlt at 12:24 PM, August 06, 2009) |
18:39 | * wizzyrea_laptop | wonders what "it" is |
18:40 | * collum | was sort of filling in the blanks. |
18:41 | owen | I'm pretty sure it was bacon. |
18:41 | collum | That was one of my blanks. |
18:42 | jwagner | I think there are other bacon-related quotes, so that's likely.... |
18:49 | chris | ok bus time |
18:49 | back in 40 mins or so | |
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19:08 | * chris_n | wishes for a huge bacon cheeseburger |
19:08 | wizzyrea_laptop | me too, actually. Dangit, now I'm hungry |
19:10 | * jwagner | had a sudden flash to that commercial about the dog demanding BACON!!! |
19:11 | jwagner | Now I'm hungry too! |
19:15 | * chris_n | passes around virtual-burgers... which are only slightly worse than soy-burgers |
19:15 | * jwagner | is suddenly not hungry any more.... |
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19:32 | cm | can anyone tell me if the librarian login on 3.2 has been moved to the right side of the screen recently (rather than centered) or is it just something I did? |
19:35 | owen | cm you must have done something |
19:35 | cm | i figured! i feel less crazy now. thanks, owen. |
19:35 | jwagner | I've seen that occasionally -- just refresh the page. |
19:36 | owen | Incomplete stylesheet load maybe? |
19:36 | cm | hmm, maybe. jwagner: it's been that way a while now on my test server. |
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19:50 | chris | back |
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19:51 | chris | lol |
19:51 | ed sharpe, 9 years of moaning | |
19:52 | its gotta be a record | |
19:52 | owen | Nice, hunh? |
19:52 | chris | yeah he shoulda added, and give me LCCN too!!! |
19:53 | i could reply and say, the way i remember it, and the list archives confirm you spent years demanding the community to write some code free of charge for you | |
19:53 | richard | :) |
19:53 | chris | and that is the sum total of your contribution |
19:54 | but i think ill just vent here instead :) | |
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19:58 | CGI436 | Hi guys |
19:58 | chris | hi CGI436 |
19:58 | CGI436 | I'm getting a mysql error in my koha-error.log, and I can't check out some items to some people |
20:00 | chris | whats the error? |
20:00 | CGI436 | [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM issuingrules, , referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: |
20:01 | I should have put separate lines on separate lines | |
20:01 | [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: DBD::mysql::st execute failed: You have an error in your SQL syntax; check the manual that corresponds to your MySQL server version for the right syntax to use near 'FROM issuingrules, , referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl | |
20:01 | [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: issues , referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl | |
20:01 | chris | http://paste.workbuffer.org/ |
20:01 | is a good way to paste those things | |
20:01 | CGI436 | [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] [error] [client 10.161.4.68] [Tue Mar 16 11:43:15 2010] circulation.pl: LEFT JOIN ite' at line 3 at /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 2079., referer: <host>/cgi-bin/koha/circ/circulation.pl |
20:02 | chris | sounds like you are missing some issuing rules ... what version of koha? you can find out on the about page |
20:03 | pastebot | "CGI436" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "mysql error" (4 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/18 |
20:03 | CGI436 | 3.01.00.124 |
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20:03 | chris | ta |
20:04 | CGI436 | I was able to run the mysql query in question against my mysql server via the command line without any problem |
20:04 | chris | so pretty close to latest master .. (one db update back) |
20:05 | hmm that error message doesnt have the full query | |
20:05 | CGI436 | let me see if I miss pasted |
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20:08 | pastebot | "CGI436" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "mysql error" (3 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/19 |
20:10 | chris_n | CGI436: is that paste correct? |
20:10 | chris | still only looks like a fraction of the query |
20:11 | CGI436 | That's all that shows up in the logs. |
20:11 | chris | how did you test it then? |
20:11 | CGI436 | There's only one query in circulation.pl that uses issuingrules |
20:11 | chris | yes but it contains different variables every time |
20:12 | CGI436 | It binds to a constant |
20:12 | chris | it depends on the itemtype and the branch and the borrower category |
20:13 | CGI436 | Let me look. It seemed to me it got a table of values |
20:14 | chris | starts at line 2065 in C4/Circulation.pm |
20:15 | great big query, with lots of joins | |
20:15 | pastebot | "CGI436" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "issuing rules query" (6 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/20 |
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20:15 | chris | yeah thats not the query your error is complaing about |
20:15 | see /usr/share/koha/lib/C4/Circulation.pm line 2079 | |
20:16 | sekjal | the CanBookBeRenewed function |
20:16 | chris | *nod* |
20:16 | CGI436 | Great, I thought I was going crazy. |
20:18 | So does this mean my "issuing rules" table is improperly structured, or improperly populated? | |
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20:20 | chris_n | bbl |
20:21 | chris | im guessing the latter |
20:21 | but it could be the former too :) | |
20:21 | CGI436 | The news keeps getting better. Am I right in thinking that I should be able to fix this via the web interface? |
20:22 | chris | could you put a warn |
20:22 | actually ignore that | |
20:22 | yeah check the circulation rules first | |
20:22 | /cgi-bin/koha/admin/smart-rules.pl | |
20:23 | CGI436 | Thanks for your help. I'll be back if I can't make progress. |
20:23 | chris | good luck |
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20:48 | * russ | goes to get a coffee before meeting |
20:49 | CGI436 | chris, are you still there? |
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20:50 | chris | yep, 10 minutes until a meeting about kohcon10 though :) |
20:50 | * richard | follows russ' lead |
20:50 | CGI436 | Thanks for your help. |
20:50 | I wasn't able to find anything in my rules, but I don't really know what I'm looking for | |
20:50 | The problem occurs when I try and check out something that doesn't circulate | |
20:51 | to a faculty member | |
20:51 | but not when I try and check out the same item to myself. | |
20:51 | When I check out to myself, I get a litlle "do you want to override" message | |
20:52 | I just get a yellow bar without the override option when I check out to the faculty member. | |
20:52 | Does that spark anything in your imagination? | |
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20:56 | chris | and if you try a different itemtype? |
20:57 | CGI436 | Do you mean try to check out an item of a different type, or change the type associated with this item? |
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20:58 | BobB | Good morning #koha |
20:58 | Ropuch | Try to check different item first - then you should be able to identify if problem is associated with patron-type or item-type |
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20:58 | Ropuch | Good evening #Koha |
20:58 | Jo | hi all |
20:59 | CGI436 | O.K. Ropuh |
20:59 | BobB | Hi Jo |
20:59 | CGI436 | Thanks for your help, chris I know you've got to get to the meeting, and I've got to get out of here myself. |
21:00 | richard | hi Jo |
21:00 | and BobB and Ropuch | |
21:01 | russ | ok so KohaCon10 Volunteers meeting |
21:01 | time to start | |
21:01 | who is here? | |
21:01 | Jo | Joann Ransomn, HLT |
21:01 | * russ | -> Russel Garlic, Catalyst IT |
21:01 | Jo | Deborah Macdonald, HLT |
21:01 | Jo is now known as DebJo | |
21:01 | richard | Richard Anderson, Katipo |
21:01 | BobB | Bob Birchall, CALYX |
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21:02 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, Equinox, listening in |
21:02 | miguel-xercode | Miguel Calvo, Xercode |
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21:02 | Ropuch | Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE (just an observer) |
21:03 | liw | Lars Wirzenius, Catalyst (just observing for now) |
21:04 | russ | ok pretty light turn out today |
21:04 | anyone know where nengard is? | |
21:04 | chris | Chris Cormack, Catalyst |
21:04 | sick | |
21:04 | BobB | Irma will join in a minute |
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21:05 | Brooke | hi |
21:05 | chris | heya Brooke, we are just doing intros |
21:05 | russ | ok so agenda - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]s#march_10am_nzst |
21:05 | so on the first topic | |
21:05 | 1. Speakers/call for papers update | |
21:05 | I'll sub for Nicole | |
21:06 | We have had a number of papers lodged (i guess is the best way to say it) | |
21:06 | but still looking for more. | |
21:06 | Brooke | awesome |
21:06 | chris | yep, we have about 1 days worth, need a couple more |
21:07 | DebJo | any obvious gaps? (I'd like to something buty havn't decided what yet :) |
21:07 | richard | is there a list of what has been put forward so far? |
21:07 | BobB | I thought I could do a paper on project governance - try to flesh out what it might mean and some options |
21:07 | Brooke | brave man, you |
21:08 | russ | BobB that would be cool |
21:08 | BobB | Has anyone else offered to do that? |
21:08 | russ | not as yet |
21:08 | Brooke | ta da |
21:08 | russ | nicole is the best one to talk about the papers |
21:08 | Brooke | sold to the man in the second row |
21:08 | BobB | The hardest part is 'what it is not' |
21:08 | chris | koha in schools, koha + kete, faceted searching, open library and koha, setting up koha in a uni in india, one about GPL/sharing etc, and one from lee |
21:08 | russ | and as she is not here |
21:08 | DebJo | has walter put his hand up to do one on kete-koha |
21:08 | chris | about their experisnce |
21:08 | yep DebJo | |
21:09 | thats a brief summary | |
21:09 | up there ^ | |
21:09 | russ | thanks chris |
21:09 | DebJo | cheers |
21:09 | liw | I assume there is still ample time to propose talks? |
21:09 | chris | tons of time |
21:09 | russ | yep august |
21:09 | so i think we are doing pretty well for the moment :-) | |
21:10 | so in summary, we have some talks, we want more, don't be afraid to put a submission in | |
21:10 | Brooke | grand |
21:10 | russ | and more talks from librarians would be awesome |
21:10 | DebJo | i'm thinking something about librarians working 'different;y' when they get involved with koha ie open source community rather than with vendors |
21:10 | chris | that would be choice jo |
21:10 | DebJo | that old 'learned helplessnes' chestnut |
21:11 | chris | battered library syndrome |
21:11 | russ | i'll sign you up now :-) |
21:11 | DebJo | lol |
21:11 | Brooke | yes indeed |
21:11 | chris | i heard it described as today |
21:11 | DebJo | maybe Brooke or Nicole and I could do it together :) |
21:11 | panel discussion format | |
21:11 | Brooke | I will do whatever you or Chris tell me to, hence dogsbody |
21:12 | chris | DebJo: i think its best coming from a librarian, so you and brooke maybe |
21:12 | DebJo | cool |
21:12 | chris | you dont want vendors telling you how to behave with vendors :-) |
21:13 | Brooke | psha |
21:13 | chris | oh i know the title of your talk |
21:13 | Brooke | next thing you say will be "You know, you should do open source stuff" ;) |
21:13 | chris | "Dude, its my library," |
21:13 | DebJo | I'm not hip enough :) |
21:13 | chris | heh |
21:14 | Ropuch | ;> |
21:14 | russ | righto moving on |
21:14 | Item 2 Website | |
21:15 | * Brooke | takes cover |
21:15 | russ | ok so we have registered a domain name |
21:15 | chris | http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ |
21:15 | *shazam* | |
21:15 | russ | so please update your links |
21:15 | and we have a logo | |
21:16 | Brooke | loves it |
21:16 | russ | our designer tells us it is a play on rebirth and building upon each others work with the egg |
21:16 | DebJo | I do too |
21:16 | russ | anyways |
21:16 | there is a bunch more content up there now | |
21:16 | thanks to reed for the content on how to get to little old NZ from the US | |
21:17 | reed | np |
21:17 | Brooke | dunno about this week |
21:17 | but last week airfares dipped substantially | |
21:17 | from about 1500 to about 1000 lowest | |
21:17 | chris | lee has booked her tickets already |
21:17 | hopefully last week | |
21:18 | DebJo | I've booked my apartment already |
21:18 | russ | :-) |
21:18 | rachel is going to be working on a partners programme/ideas for parteners and kids when she gets back from her trip | |
21:18 | DebJo | yay Rach |
21:18 | Brooke | unfortunately, there is no way a charter jet is viable unless we rob a bank or steal a corporate one |
21:19 | but I did check into it | |
21:19 | chris | :) |
21:19 | gmcharlt | the chartering or the stealing^Wborrowing? |
21:19 | Brooke | >.> |
21:19 | <.< | |
21:19 | all of the above | |
21:19 | gmcharlt | :) |
21:20 | russ | i think the site all hangs together now and there are no dead links, but if anyone spots anything, please let either chris or myself know |
21:20 | Brooke | will do |
21:20 | richard | sure |
21:20 | russ | i am still looking for ideas around t-shirt printing |
21:21 | i was thinking cafepress, but there was some talk of that being a bit pricey | |
21:21 | gmcharlt | would a redirect from kohacon10.koha-community.org to http://www.kohacon10.org.nz/ be out of order? |
21:21 | Brooke | http://www.souders1918.com/ |
21:21 | they'll print anything on anything else | |
21:21 | chris | nope, seems fine to me gmcharlt |
21:21 | liw | russ, would it be helpful to run a link checker against the site? |
21:21 | Brooke | might not be the cheapest, but they usually don't screw up, and if they do they fixerate it |
21:21 | DebJo | cafepress do good quality sweatshirts and heavy tees though |
21:22 | russ | Brooke: thanks i'll have a look |
21:22 | liw: you offering? :-) | |
21:22 | liw | russ, sure |
21:22 | russ | liw: great thanks |
21:22 | DebJo | mayoral reception in Levin |
21:23 | russ | one of our designers here at catalyst is working on a t-shirt design |
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21:23 | Brooke | hi Irma |
21:23 | IrmaCalyx | G'day all |
21:23 | russ | so once that is sorted, unless we find a better alternative we will set up cafepress shop for those who are interested |
21:23 | hi irma | |
21:23 | DebJo | very cool |
21:24 | russ | content we would still like for the site |
21:24 | is some travel advice from the EU | |
21:24 | and from AU | |
21:25 | Brooke | well the Aussies can just swim. |
21:25 | russ | Aussies are very good at swimming |
21:25 | chris | its cos all the animals try to kill them |
21:25 | russ | but if anyone has anything to add there, just send it through to me |
21:25 | BobB | Ha! The ditch is one of the roughest oceans!!:) |
21:25 | chris | you have to be fast to survive in aus |
21:26 | russ | but please encourage people to look at the site |
21:26 | chris: we might need to take the video of the kingswood racing off the template :-) | |
21:26 | chris | :) |
21:26 | thats on their cos that video was made by librarians :) | |
21:27 | russ | heh |
21:27 | DebJo | hey should we be putting logos up of the other businesses which have sponsored conference |
21:27 | BobB | DebJo: Mayoral reception? Was that a serious suggestion? |
21:27 | russ | DebJo getting there |
21:27 | and BoB can we handle that last please | |
21:27 | DebJo | cool. |
21:27 | BobB | OK |
21:28 | DebJo | yes - serious offer ogf a mayoral recption. |
21:28 | russ | ok item3 Sponsorship |
21:28 | DebJo | councillors are keen, asked me to ask Mayor. |
21:28 | russ | DebJo can we cover that after sponsorship please |
21:28 | chris | psst agenda DebJo :) |
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21:28 | DebJo | Thursday 28th Oct is suggested at 5ish |
21:28 | russ | ok a big thanks to Irma and Bob for their donations |
21:28 | DebJo | oops |
21:29 | chris | calyx++ |
21:29 | russ | we will be adding the Caylx logo to the site as soon as we get one through |
21:29 | DebJo | go Calyx ++ |
21:29 | and libriotech too I guess | |
21:29 | chris | libriotech dont currently have a logo, which is why they are just listed |
21:29 | they would be the first logo otherwise as they donated first | |
21:29 | russ | Chris and I are working with another sponsor that means we will be able to meet our minimum target for the venue |
21:30 | DebJo | fantastic |
21:30 | richard | cool |
21:30 | DebJo | just looking, the second depoist is not due until 25th July $1046.25 |
21:31 | russ | once i have sorted that out and finalised it, then i will go out to approach the other sponsors |
21:31 | DebJo: ah cool, good to know that | |
21:31 | IrmaCalyx | it would be nice to have some libraries as sponsors not just service providers... |
21:31 | DebJo | HLT will kick in $500 |
21:31 | russ | i think that should be no problem |
21:31 | * Brooke | cheers |
21:31 | russ | thanks HLT :-) |
21:31 | DebJo | (i'm thinking donation in lieu of registrtaion fee) |
21:32 | miguel-xercode | I would like to know which are the economic conditions to become a sponsor |
21:32 | Brooke | modest and scaling :) |
21:32 | russ | miguel-xercode: not sure i understand |
21:32 | DebJo | give enough that it feels good |
21:32 | IrmaCalyx | DebJo ...I like that ! |
21:33 | BobB | russ: Is it true that donations so far are in the range of $250 to $1,000 NZ - is that good guidance for others? |
21:33 | russ | miguel-xercode: if you are interested in sponsoring, then perhaps we can talk off list |
21:33 | BobB: yep good point | |
21:33 | miguel-xercode | yes |
21:34 | DebJo | dons to date: $250, $750, $1000 |
21:34 | IrmaCalyx | NZ $ |
21:34 | DebJo | yep |
21:34 | miguel-xercode | I want to talk tomorrow if possible |
21:34 | Brooke | Chris makes the top donor Mickey Mouse flapjacks, ya? |
21:35 | russ | miguel-xercode: great - i will msg you my contact details |
21:35 | DebJo | yay miguel-xercode :) |
21:35 | miguel-xercode | because Spain is a little late, and have a family to go to bed |
21:35 | Brooke | thank you miguel |
21:36 | russ | miguel-xercode: no problem, thank you for showing up today |
21:37 | chris | sorry phone :( |
21:37 | russ | ok so in summary, we have enough money to secure the venue, we will still be seeking more sponsorship so that we can provide more for attendees |
21:37 | but it is all going well at the moment, and will ramp up in April | |
21:37 | Brooke | wunderbar |
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21:37 | * nengard | Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions (sorry I'm late) |
21:37 | russ | gmcharlt: can you please send me the email addy of someone I can talk to at Equinox |
21:37 | Brooke | Nicole! |
21:37 | nengard | I'm sorry |
21:37 | gmcharlt | russ: that would be me - gmcesilibrary.com |
21:38 | nengard | got hit with a round of vey sick feeling |
21:38 | DebJo | hola! |
21:38 | gmcharlt | hi nengard |
21:38 | russ | gmcharlt: easy :-) |
21:38 | nengard | did someone do my update for me? |
21:38 | Ropuch | nengard: shouldn't you be just lying in bed and getting better? ;> |
21:38 | russ | nengard: chris did a good summary for you |
21:38 | nengard | thanks chris! |
21:38 | DebJo | now git thee back to bed woman |
21:38 | nengard | and Ropuch, yes, but I wanted to make to be here if I was needed |
21:38 | russ | ok so that is the agenda sorted |
21:38 | just a note, i havent heard from Mark at ASHS | |
21:39 | so no more detail on the road trip just yet | |
21:39 | DebJo | re road trip? |
21:39 | shall i email him since i first raised the issue | |
21:39 | russ | sure |
21:39 | DebJo | and happy to back him up if he can't do that job |
21:39 | russ | i think chris and i would like the road trip to be SEP :-) |
21:40 | liw | what is this road trip? |
21:40 | DebJo | as in seperate or September |
21:40 | russ | someone else's problem :-) |
21:40 | richard | someone else's problem |
21:40 | DebJo | sweet as |
21:40 | russ | once you have it sorted, just let us know the details and we can post it to the site |
21:40 | DebJo | sure |
21:41 | Brooke | dorky Librarian question |
21:41 | do we have a bibliography yet? | |
21:41 | BobB | Cos' folks will have to know - to book flight to Auckland, not Wellington |
21:41 | russ | Brooke: no, you offering ? |
21:42 | nengard | bibliography of what? |
21:42 | Brooke | it can be construed as such, I just don't want any sniggers from NZ librarians when I screw it up and clutter it with tourist stuff :) |
21:42 | not that I think y'all would do so | |
21:42 | reads to get you in the mood for conference | |
21:42 | and help with travel and such | |
21:42 | DebJo | penguin history of NZ |
21:42 | russ | right we have some travel related links on the site |
21:43 | BobB | NZ History of Penguins:) |
21:43 | russ | but if you want to write one up, then we can publish it sure |
21:43 | Brooke | *nod* |
21:43 | DebJo | (skip the 50s and 60s bit - was boring) |
21:43 | russ | DebJo: so civic reception |
21:44 | DebJo | k |
21:44 | russ | what were your thoughts there? are the council going to pay for a bus or two? |
21:44 | chris | liw: there is an idea for ppl flying into auckland to take a roadtrip down to wellington, with some of the koha librarians from auckland |
21:44 | DebJo | at the trust meeting sthe councillors with library responsibilities asked me to write to the mayor and ask him to host a small civic reception in Levin for 100 - 150 people :) |
21:45 | curent mayor said yes - happy to. | |
21:45 | but one proviso is we have an electin betweennow and then and if current mayor gets dumped new mayor may not want to... | |
21:45 | russ | ok sounds cool - so does that mean a logistics effort to get people from Wellington to Levin? |
21:45 | or is the council going to provide for that? | |
21:45 | DebJo | but my money says existing mayor is sitting pretty |
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21:46 | DebJo | so council would pay for the reception ie food and drinks |
21:46 | getting people wgtn to lvn and back again is not included. | |
21:46 | russ | right |
21:46 | DebJo | but i would like to look at funding for a bus or 2 |
21:46 | chris | would need 2 or 34 |
21:46 | heh | |
21:46 | 2 or 3 | |
21:46 | russ | right - i have a good contact at a bus company |
21:46 | DebJo | and we could look at combining it with a dinner somewhere |
21:47 | BobB | OK, so idea would be hire a bus, get to Levin, tour HLT, civic reception, return to Wellington - delegates pay bus fare? |
21:47 | DebJo | so leave wgtn 4pm, |
21:47 | chris | if the train wasnt so annoying could train to paraparaumu and bus from there |
21:47 | russ | DebJo i suggest earlier than that |
21:47 | chris | s/annoying/broken/ |
21:47 | russ | 4pm is going to be hell to get through Kapiti |
21:47 | DebJo | can I get some pricing together before thenext meeting? |
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21:47 | russ | that sounds fine |
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21:47 | russ | if you can come up with a proposal that would be great |
21:48 | and then we can discuss it | |
21:48 | DebJo | ok: we'll come back with a proposal incl pricing, timing etc. |
21:48 | russ | if you like I can talk to my contact and get you some bus pricing as well |
21:48 | DebJo | that would be brilliant Russ |
21:48 | russ | ok so i think that is a good point to close |
21:48 | BobB and Irma I would like to catch up with you some time | |
21:49 | to talk about some ideas | |
21:49 | but at the rate it is going, it will be early next week before i have some clear time | |
21:49 | i will ping you then | |
21:49 | BobB | russ: any time; today is OK |
21:50 | russ | Any one got any last questions? or can I wrap this up? |
21:50 | BobB | russ: next week is ok too |
21:50 | Next meeting? | |
21:51 | russ | Monday 19th April 22:00 UTC |
21:51 | DebJo | Thanks Russ - excellent job herding cats |
21:51 | russ | that is Tuesday 20th, 10am NZ time |
21:52 | I will do the minutes sometime later today | |
21:52 | DebJo | thanks everyone |
21:52 | BobB | Thanks Russ; thanks all |
21:52 | russ | thanks all |
21:52 | Brooke | see you in a monthish |
21:52 | richard | thanks russ |
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21:53 | * russ | wanders off |
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21:53 | IrmaCalyx | Cheers all! |
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23:00 | bankhead | can't get Authen::CAS::Client to install -- any advice? |
23:04 | chris | whats the error its giving you? |
23:05 | bankhead | make test had returned bad status, won't install without force |
23:06 | when I did cpan Authen::CAS::Client | |
23:06 | chris | have you ever installed a module from the tarball, (not using cpan) |
23:06 | bankhead | not yet |
23:07 | chris | if so, i would suggest doing that, and seeing what test actually failed, and if its harmless do make install anyway |
23:07 | (it might be trying to connect to a cas server, which will fail as you dont have one) | |
23:07 | bankhead | ok |
23:10 | Authen-CAS-Client-0.05.tar.gz ? | |
23:10 | chris | yep |
23:11 | bankhead | thx |
23:34 | make test said all good | |
23:36 | chris | cool, sudo make install |
23:36 | and you should be done | |
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23:36 | bankhead | yeah I did sudo make install |
23:36 | chris | cool |
23:37 | bankhead | I think it is good |
23:37 | chris | yep, should be fine |
23:37 | bankhead | then can I go back and do my koha Makefile.pl again? |
23:37 | chris | was that the only missing module? |
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23:38 | bankhead | that was on e of about 8-9 and I did all og them |
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23:38 | chris | if so, you dont need to run perl Makefile.PL again |
23:38 | bankhead | does it mess it up to do over? |
23:38 | chris | (unless you want to change how you answered your questions) |
23:38 | Jo | Chris: i have to go to council meeting, but promise will check tocjkets after that |
23:38 | chris | nope its no harm |
23:38 | bankhead | ok |
23:38 | Jo | tickets (even :) |
23:38 | bankhead | thx |
23:38 | chris | Jo: cool |
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