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| 00:02 | titleistfour joined #koha | |
| 00:02 | titleistfour | hello |
| 00:02 | can someone answer a few questions about importing marc records into koha? | |
| 00:02 | brendan | go ahead and ask :) |
| 00:03 | titleistfour | thanks! |
| 00:03 | i'm trying to setup koha 3.00.06, and i'm import records from an old software program called Concourse | |
| 00:03 | i'm been able to export all the biblio records to MARC format | |
| 00:04 | but when I import, none of the items come over | |
| 00:04 | i took a look at the MARC file | |
| 00:04 | and all the individual items are in MARC record 852, but it looks like koha is expecting them in 952? | |
| 00:04 | or field | |
| 00:04 | brendan | yes you are correct koha wants them in the 952 field |
| 00:05 | titleistfour | is there a way I can tell koha to look somewhere else? |
| 00:05 | or have the import move them for me? | |
| 00:05 | brendan | you could do that. but you'd also have to edit a few other files |
| 00:05 | some of the 952's are hardcoded into the system | |
| 00:05 | titleistfour | hmm..what is the recommended way of doing something like this then? |
| 00:06 | brendan | for the indexing engine |
| 00:06 | have you looked at marcedit | |
| 00:06 | titleistfour | yes, thats what I opened the files with |
| 00:06 | should i just edit all the records? | |
| 00:06 | brendan | ok |
| 00:06 | in koha if you go to administration | |
| 00:06 | you'll see a section that is title > koha to MARC mapping | |
| 00:07 | titleistfour | yes |
| 00:07 | brendan | if you go to the items section (in the pull down) |
| 00:07 | you'll see what fields koha wants which information | |
| 00:07 | titleistfour | ok |
| 00:07 | i see them | |
| 00:07 | quite a few | |
| 00:08 | brendan | not all of them are important |
| 00:08 | titleistfour | ok |
| 00:08 | so i need to edit my MARC export to match this? | |
| 00:09 | and then the import should work? | |
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| 00:12 | titleistfour | is that correct? |
| 00:12 | brendan | sounds good |
| 00:15 | titleistfour | what if I have thousands of records to import? |
| 00:15 | and what if that 852 field is a different format? | |
| 00:15 | should I change the koha field? or would it be easier to leave that alone? | |
| 00:17 | brendan | using marcedit you should be able to bulk edit the records |
| 00:17 | swaping the information from 852 to the correct 952 field | |
| 00:17 | so 852 <barcode> to 952_$p | |
| 00:18 | titleistfour | well i think there is more information in the 852 field |
| 00:18 | it appears that there is several things | |
| 00:19 | 1\$aMain Library$hB$i580$i.L6$p00000006$x{lcub}BookSysInc::00000006::A@@ ::BookSysInc{rcub}$9{dollar} 0.00 | |
| 00:19 | i'm not exactly sure what all of that is | |
| 00:19 | some of it i know | |
| 00:19 | is that a custom field you think? | |
| 00:20 | custom from the older software? | |
| 00:20 | i think the $ is the seperator | |
| 00:21 | can koha seperate those for me? | |
| 00:22 | i guess if I know what koha is expecting, then i can bulk edit that field to match so the import works | |
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| 00:31 | titleistfour | ok thanks brendan |
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| 01:02 | titleistfour | \quit |
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| 01:16 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 01:16 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 14.9�C (5:14 PM PST on March 01, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017.2 hPa (Rising). |
| 01:18 | chris_n | heya brendan |
| 01:18 | brendan | hey chris_n |
| 01:18 | how goes things? | |
| 01:18 | chris_n | not too swell atm |
| 01:18 | brendan | ooh sorry |
| 01:19 | * chris_n | is grabbing images of a catastrophically failed raid 5 array with no backup |
| 01:19 | chris_n | and looking forward to a night of stitching the images back together to do data recovery |
| 01:20 | brendan | good luck |
| 01:20 | i think luck is the correct term there | |
| 01:20 | chris_n | heh |
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| 01:48 | chris | you're up late schuster |
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| 01:56 | brendan | fly bye |
| 01:56 | hehe | |
| 01:56 | chris | yup |
| 01:56 | brendan | alright cya later or by the time I get home |
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| 02:30 | schuster | I'm having trouble getting Zebra to run on my 3.2 lenny... Any suggestions? |
| 02:41 | figured it out didn't like my sym link for some reason. night all | |
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| 03:32 | brendan | wow auto-truncation is pretty lousy (or maybe my search terms are pretty lousy) |
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| 03:45 | Amit_G | hi all |
| 03:55 | chris_n | hi Amit_G |
| 03:55 | Amit_G | hi chris_n |
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| 04:55 | Anshul | Hi |
| 04:56 | Amit_G | hi Anshul |
| 04:57 | Anshul | I have installed koha and all ita modules |
| 04:57 | brendan | heya Amit_G |
| 04:58 | Anshul | but when making koha... it gives me wierd error that GD 2.39 and XML::RSS 1.31 is not installed.. although both are installed |
| 04:59 | Amit_G | heya brendan |
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| 05:10 | CGI763 | hi all |
| 05:11 | catalogue search from my system is not working? how can I resolve this problem | |
| 05:11 | as Im using koha3.004_fixed | |
| 05:11 | on debian-lenny | |
| 05:18 | Anshul | I have installed koha3.00.04_fixed in fedora 12 |
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| 05:29 | CGI135 | I have installed koha-3.004_fixed on debian-lenny but catalogue search from my pc is not working yet |
| 05:29 | could any one resolve my problem | |
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| 05:47 | CGI135 | is any one help me |
| 05:47 | ? | |
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| 07:31 | ropuch | Morning #koha |
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| 07:31 | Amit_G | heya Ropuch |
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| 07:41 | Amit_G | heya nicomo |
| 07:41 | nicomo | hi Amit_G |
| 07:42 | magnus | hiya #koha |
| 07:42 | Amit_G | heya magnus |
| 07:43 | magnus | hi Amit_G |
| 07:45 | chris | evening |
| 07:46 | paul_p | hello world |
| 07:46 | magnus | evening, chris |
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| 08:30 | paul_p | spring here : birds are singing !!! |
| 08:31 | chris | heh |
| 08:32 | magnus | spring here too : the sun is shining! |
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| 08:35 | magnus | i wonder... i will be promoting koha at the big, norwegian library conference in two weeks - should i use 3.2 alpha or the demo i have running which is at 3.01.00.061 |
| 08:37 | chris | use master, its alpha plus a ton of bugfixes |
| 08:38 | magnus | i think i will do that, yes |
| 08:38 | need to do some work on the translations, at least for the opac | |
| 08:38 | chris | yup |
| 08:40 | magnus | chris: i meant to ask you about that: the PO files seem to contain stuff like the subfieldselectors from XSLT - should they just be repeated or not translated or...? |
| 08:40 | chris | yeah, just copy and submit |
| 08:40 | magnus | ok |
| 08:41 | chris | i think i have gotten pootle working a little faster |
| 08:41 | magnus | and large chunks of xslt, like #43 and 44 here: http://translate.koha.org/nb/o[…]ew_mode=translate ? |
| 08:42 | chris | yep, copy and submit again :) |
| 08:42 | magnus | ok |
| 08:42 | those are som MARC21 XSLT anyway, and i will use "my own" xslt for normarc | |
| 08:43 | chris | right you could ignore those then |
| 08:44 | magnus | H, OK |
| 08:44 | ah, ok | |
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| 08:49 | Genji | hiya |
| 08:50 | for some reason, i have three zebraqueue instances running, this okay? | |
| 08:52 | and three zebrasrv's | |
| 08:53 | chris | do you have 3 koha's? |
| 08:53 | in which case thats fine, if not it seems pretty pointless | |
| 08:55 | Genji | hmm.. just did a diff on some init.d files... found that at last two of those zebrasrv's were started in init.d.. and the init.d files are exactly the same. |
| 08:55 | starting the same config file, twice... | |
| 08:56 | chris | yeah that doesnt seem to be very useful |
| 08:56 | Genji | l |
| 08:56 | in fact, it could slow down the server? | |
| 08:57 | zebraqueue seems to be hording operations. | |
| 08:57 | exact same operations waiting, as 15 minutes ago... | |
| 09:02 | chris | i wouldnt use zebraqueue |
| 09:02 | im pretty sure the install docs say not too now | |
| 09:02 | Genji | its a koha 3.0rc1 install. |
| 09:02 | chris | but to run rebuild_zebra.pl wth the -z switch |
| 09:02 | yeah even so | |
| 09:03 | as a cronjob | |
| 09:03 | Genji | rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z every 5 minutes? |
| 09:04 | chris | yep |
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| 09:06 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 09:08 | chris | hi kf |
| 09:08 | kf | hi chris |
| 09:09 | will miss community handover meeting today | |
| 09:09 | ropuch | Hello kf, chris, Genji |
| 09:10 | kf | :( |
| 09:10 | hi ropuch | |
| 09:16 | chris | ahh its in 10 hours time |
| 09:16 | ill probably miss some of it as i will be on the bus | |
| 09:23 | Genji | whts in 10hourstime? |
| 09:24 | chris | the community handover meeting |
| 09:24 | Genji | community handover meeting where we discuss koha.org not being given to the community? |
| 09:24 | chris | nope we wont be discussing that |
| 09:25 | its a moot point | |
| 09:25 | nothing left to discuss | |
| 09:25 | but there will be a report from HLT about the koha subcommittee, maybe a report on koha-community.org | |
| 09:26 | Genji | basically, liblime has got the koha name, at least in usa, and theres no way that we'll see koha.org back in community hands ever? |
| 09:26 | chris | who knows, but theres nothign to be gained by talking about it |
| 09:26 | its certainly not stopping us doing anything | |
| 09:27 | * Genji | nods. "okay.. so what is "community handover |
| 09:27 | Genji | then? |
| 09:28 | chris | what i said report from the HLT subcommittee, there are the EU trademarks etc |
| 09:28 | and hlt has the koha-community.org | |
| 09:29 | Genji | "Ahh |
| 09:38 | paul_p | I think one could use SQL report facilities |
| 09:38 | SELECT * from borrowers | |
| 09:38 | SELECT * FROM biblio | |
| 09:38 | SELECT * FROM biblioitems | |
| 09:38 | SELECT * FROM items | |
| 09:38 | SELECT * FROM issues | |
| 09:38 | SELECT * FROM systempreferences | |
| 09:38 | ... | |
| 09:38 | Genji | does LEK have SQL report facilities? |
| 09:38 | chris | its capped at 9999 results |
| 09:39 | Genji | ..... |
| 09:39 | paul_p | :((( |
| 09:39 | Genji | but all rows are id'ed? |
| 09:39 | chris | i answered this question on the mailing list, there was a patch to fix it in november |
| 09:40 | some are, some aren't | |
| 09:40 | paul_p | Genji: yep. one could do limit 1,9999 then limit 9999,19998,... but that would be a long long time for someone with a large DB |
| 09:40 | chris | nope |
| 09:40 | limit is ignored | |
| 09:40 | Genji | .... |
| 09:40 | chris | the patch fixes that |
| 09:41 | whatever limit you put in, it gets replaced with limit 9999 | |
| 09:41 | Genji | LEK imported the patch? |
| 09:41 | chris | i doubt it |
| 09:41 | Genji | liblime-- |
| 09:41 | chris | when someone asked for it, they were told it was buggy |
| 09:41 | Genji | LEK-- |
| 09:41 | They probably wanted them to be stuck in LEK. | |
| 09:42 | chris | well, there was no point in making LEK apart from making ppl stuck |
| 09:43 | Genji | borrowers are ided by borrowernumber... biblio by biblionumber, biblioitems by biblioitemnuber, items by itemnumber... sysprefs have a id? |
| 09:43 | chris | but anyway, enough of liblime, we cant fix them, so lets fix koha bugs instead |
| 09:44 | Genji | so can they do 'select * from borrowers where biblionumber between X and Y' / |
| 09:44 | ? | |
| 09:45 | paul_p | Genji: yep. one could do limit 1,9999 then limit 9999,19998,... but that would be a long long time for someone with a large DB |
| 09:45 | ah, nope, you're right | |
| 09:45 | chris | except not using limit |
| 09:45 | :) | |
| 09:45 | paul_p | between X and Y should work |
| 09:46 | other possibility to retrieve all biblios = write a small script that uploads all biblios in marcxml, from OPAC, one by one | |
| 09:46 | then write another script to re-enter them in koha | |
| 09:46 | chris | yeah, the biblio stuff is the easy stuff, its accountlines and issues and oldissues etc |
| 09:47 | * paul_p | think that biblios / members / issues / syspref could be an acceptable minimum for anyone stuck |
| 09:47 | paul_p | but why the hell are we speaking of that. we don't care ! |
| 09:47 | (except if someone comes here and ask for some help) | |
| 09:48 | magnus | +1 |
| 09:51 | paul_p | Genji: dunno how it works in US, but in France, when a company goes "Liquidation judiciaire", the owners loose their hability to do anything. It's someone nominated by the judge that get power on the company. He can decide anything, from pulling everything immediatly to continuing the business |
| 09:55 | (had to deal with that on my last position : the judge said at 11AM "stop activity", and at 11:01 we had a fax and the manager said: "stop immediatly doing anything. Immediatly" | |
| 09:55 | 10 days later I started to work on koha ;-) (after chrismas & new year holiday) | |
| 09:56 | chris | :) |
| 10:01 | Genji | in nz... a steel fabrication place closed.... with things still in molds, in turned off furnaces. guess they weren't going to continue business. |
| 10:29 | masonj | wow, are some koha vendors really refusing to give their customers database dumps? |
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| 11:29 | Genji | masonj: only one.... |
| 11:30 | i wonder if liblime knows how to do a db dump, nowdays. | |
| 11:33 | found in a zebradaemon log... | |
| 11:33 | 20100302 14:12:32 koha-zebra-ctl.kohadb: failed to write(client_errfd = 6): File too large | |
| 11:33 | what does this mean? | |
| 11:34 | thd | Genji: lack of time to do beats lack of knowledge how to do every day. |
| 11:34 | Genji"What is the size of that file? | |
| 11:34 | Genji | of wht file? |
| 11:35 | masonj | prolly the default 4-gig limit of a zebra setting |
| 11:35 | Genji | ah. |
| 11:35 | hmm. | |
| 11:35 | thd | Well the relevant zebra file :) |
| 11:35 | Genji | could that also be the cause of zebrasrv running three times from one init.d file? |
| 11:36 | masonj | yep ;) |
| 11:36 | thd | Genji: what is the size of a dump of all the biblios on that system? |
| 11:37 | masonj | if they are pointing at the same files, from a typo - then yep |
| 11:37 | rebuild yr zebra-db from scratch, for starters | |
| 11:38 | dont use that daemon | |
| 11:38 | Genji | ya.. theres three servers, all using the same conf file... and zebraqueue has 18k records waiting for uplod. |
| 11:38 | masonj | err, that sounds like a fail right there ? |
| 11:39 | means they are accessing the same DB files ? | |
| 11:39 | Genji | same zebradb files yup. |
| 11:40 | masonj | $ rebuild_zebra.pl -r -b -v |
| 11:40 | Genji | no one has noticed it probably because its not used for searching, the prod system is only used for adding records. |
| 11:41 | then ... well.. i gotta figure out how to efficently get daily updates from the prod machine to the hostgator machine, without bringing either server offline. | |
| 11:41 | masonj | turn off the extra 2 zebras, for starters ;) |
| 11:41 | Genji | and slowing down neither. |
| 11:41 | hmm... tried to, the other two keep coming back, when i start the init.d file. | |
| 11:42 | masonj | mysql replication... |
| 11:42 | thd | slef: are you there? |
| 11:42 | masonj | thats yr first problem to fix ;) |
| 11:42 | Genji | masonj: slowed down the server i think.... turned the slave off, and some speed came back. |
| 11:44 | that and some tables have to have different data. | |
| 11:44 | masonj | my experience is that mysql-rep doesnt put much load on a busy box |
| 11:45 | Genji | so, you think mysql-rep was just making the problems with this box, more visible? |
| 11:45 | masonj | pass, but prolly |
| 11:48 | hostgator style VM's often have very poor DB performance, so ive read on the net | |
| 11:48 | Genji | dedicated server |
| 11:49 | masonj | ah, pass then... |
| 11:50 | i have a loaded master/slave set-up doing mysql and zebraqueue replication, | |
| 11:51 | and the difference between replication on/off isnt detectable, from munin | |
| 11:52 | so its do-able, without too much effort and system-load | |
| 11:56 | Genji | okay, gota sleeep. night all. |
| 11:56 | thd | good night Genji |
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| 12:56 | jdavidb | Mornin', #koha |
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| 13:07 | nengard | hello all |
| 13:07 | magnus | hello nengard et al |
| 13:07 | jdavidb | Hi, nengard! :) |
| 13:08 | hdl_laptop | hi all |
| 13:09 | jwagner | g'morning... |
| 13:12 | gmcharlt | good morning |
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| 13:21 | gmcharlt | @quote random |
| 13:21 | munin | gmcharlt: Quote #61: "*wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea> wait, that's a lie" (added by jdavidb at 12:19 PM, February 24, 2010) |
| 13:22 | jdavidb | lol |
| 13:22 | jwagner | @quote random |
| 13:22 | munin | jwagner: Quote #16: "< wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think)" (added by chris at 05:37 PM, July 17, 2009) |
| 13:30 | kf | guten morgen :) |
| 13:31 | jwagner | guten morgen kf |
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| 13:42 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 13:42 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #9: "pianohacker ponders drumstick->ear as a method of food acquisition...We haven't gone to this good mexican restaurant in a while..." (added by wizzyrea at 04:23 PM, June 19, 2009) |
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| 14:11 | kf | gmcharlt: display and text alignment of 880 fields work now - thx again for pushing the patch and writing one for intranet yesterday! |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | cool, glad to hear it |
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| 14:45 | nengard | can anyone give me a short summary of why I need to use 'Koha to Marc Mapping' for the manual ... |
| 14:45 | i know how to use the tool, but i'm still not sure why i'm doing it :) | |
| 14:46 | brendan | in case you want to quickly change the mapping for Koha to the database... |
| 14:46 | although I'd add many warnings | |
| 14:46 | nengard | so if you were to write that as an intro to the koha to marc mapping tool - what would you say? |
| 14:46 | "this tool is used to define how marc fields are entere dinto the koha db" ? | |
| 14:46 | brendan | sounds good |
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| 14:47 | brendan | also a quick reference for how the item fields are laid out for the 952_fields |
| 14:48 | the real issue is that some or most of the item fields are hardcoded somewhere within the code of Koha | |
| 14:48 | like the indexing files for zebra are hardcoded to index for 952's for the item information | |
| 14:48 | nengard | okay |
| 15:03 | on the koha marc mapping tool there is a warning that i think needs some editing - but i'm not sure what it's trying to say -- it reads "Choose and validate 1 MARC subfield for biblio.frameworkcode. That will modify all frameworks which is usually what you need, but you have been warned." | |
| 15:03 | how does it modify frameworks? | |
| 15:05 | brendan | you could look at the koha to marc mapping as a scaled down (novice) framework... sort of |
| 15:05 | kf | bye all :) |
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| 15:06 | brendan | but if you change the koha to marc mapping - those changes should also be in the marc frameworks ... maybe not viewable but def. in the database |
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| 15:18 | biglego | stupid question, but I gotta ask. I want to install the latest version of 3.2 but the git address i have pulls 3.01. Anyone care to clue me into the secret way to git it, thats funny git it! |
| 15:19 | nengard | this is the command I use: git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone from this page: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]pment:git_usage&s[]=git |
| 15:19 | I believe that pulls HEAD - which is the latest 3.2 developments | |
| 15:22 | * tekonivel | brain is melting from subtype translation :-P |
| 15:24 | tekonivel | subtype translation is dull, XSLT-translations are nervewrecking |
| 15:25 | (f.ex. ../../koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/xslt/MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl:505) | |
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| 16:01 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 16:01 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.9�C (7:57 AM PST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 86%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.03 in 1016.8 hPa (Rising). |
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| 16:10 | nengard | i've probably said this before - but it is so cool that when i find minor bugs while writing the manual that i know enough to fix them myself :) hehe |
| 16:11 | gmcharlt | nengard: you better watch out - if you're not careful, you'll find yourself fixing not-so-minor bugs :) |
| 16:11 | nengard | gmcharlt - not until I learn me some perl |
| 16:11 | * gmcharlt | encourages nengard to throw caution to the winds, of course |
| 16:12 | nengard | but that's the end goal!!! |
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| 16:14 | ebegin | hi koha |
| 16:14 | chris_n | hey ebegin |
| 16:14 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, quqbec |
| 16:14 | munin | ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 16:14 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, quebec |
| 16:14 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 2.0�C (10:00 AM EST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 56%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:14 | ebegin | hey chris_n |
| 16:15 | chris_n | ebegin: Toronto was nice |
| 16:15 | Niagara was beautiful | |
| 16:15 | ebegin | chris_n, good to hear. Huge and beautiful, yes. |
| 16:16 | the falls I mean, of course :) | |
| 16:16 | * chris_n | was very glad for his gps unit |
| 16:17 | ebegin | :) How was the A/V system finally? |
| 16:18 | * ebegin | is getting an error with Zotero... Could not save item... |
| 16:18 | ebegin | Any clue |
| 16:19 | chris_n | ebegin: a very nice system |
| 16:19 | lots of geeky gadgets :) | |
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| 16:27 | biglego | on the about page it shows 3.01.00.124 shouldn't it show 3.2 something |
| 16:27 | gmcharlt | biglego: 3.1 is what will become 3.2 |
| 16:28 | biglego | oh so its more of i work in a library but yet i can't read sort of a problem |
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| 16:37 | ebegin | How does the integration with Zotero works exactly? |
| 16:38 | gmcharlt | ebegin: two ways - info on a title is embedded via COinS; Zotero can also fetch details for a title using unapi |
| 16:38 | since Zotero knows how to look for COinS and unapi data, it can grab it | |
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| 16:40 | ebegin | ok. I'll see if my problem is local to my zotero... thanks |
| 16:42 | amadan | Hi Folks, I just installed koha 3.00.05 successfully. Could someone help me take a peek to find out if all is well? |
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| 16:42 | tekonivel | zotero-love <3 |
| 16:42 | amadan | before i get my librarians into it? |
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| 16:48 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 4.9�C (11:47 AM EST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 64%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.93 in 1013.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:48 | owen | amadan: What do you feel like you need to check? |
| 16:49 | Does it search? Does it circulate? Can you place holds? | |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea_ | can you catalog? can you add patrons? |
| 16:52 | does it make you pizza? | |
| 16:52 | wait | |
| 16:52 | never mind. | |
| 16:52 | koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata | |
| 16:52 | and even that's like stone soup. | |
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| 16:53 | * gmcharlt | writes up RFC for pizza-making |
| 16:54 | * wizzyrea_ | giggles |
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| 16:55 | * owen | just hopes we don't try to rewrite pizza-xml on the fly for each transaction |
| 16:56 | * gmcharlt | starts working on MARBI proposal for PIZZA-MARC, realizes that that way lies starvation, desists |
| 16:57 | * wizzyrea | read that as "starvation, dentists" |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | also applicable |
| 16:59 | gmcharlt | amadan: did we answer your question, by the way? |
| 17:00 | amadan | when i catlog a book, it appears on the database alright but can't access it with the search |
| 17:00 | gmcharlt | @quote add <wizzyrea_> koha doesn't make you pizza... it only makes you pizza metadata |
| 17:00 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #65 added. |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | amadan: there's a batch job that you need to make sure is running |
| 17:01 | amadan | which one and how do i ensure that? |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | rebuild_zebra.pl |
| 17:01 | misc/cronjobs/crontab.example has the list of standard cronjobs you'd want to run | |
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| 17:02 | gmcharlt | actually, let me step back - I assume you chose the Zebra option? |
| 17:02 | amadan | sure |
| 17:02 | gmcharlt | k |
| 17:02 | also make sure that there's a zebrasrv process running | |
| 17:03 | amadan | so do i add "rebuild_zebra.pl to my cronjobs? |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 17:03 | amadan | zebrasrv is running |
| 17:06 | could you help me with the exact line to put in the cronjob? | |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | it's listed in misc/cronjobs/crontab.example |
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| 17:09 | gmcharlt | hi Lee |
| 17:09 | owen | Hi Lee |
| 17:10 | Lee | Hi guys |
| 17:10 | nengard | Hi Lee |
| 17:10 | Lee | just thought I'd drop in and see if there was anything exciting going on |
| 17:10 | nengard | at 2pm EST we have a meeting in here |
| 17:10 | but right now just the usual | |
| 17:10 | Lee | Hi Nicole |
| 17:11 | excellent.. for once in my life i am early LOL | |
| 17:11 | nengard | hehe |
| 17:12 | tekonivel | if i wanted to test a translation of the Koha OPAC, what'd be the best way for that? |
| 17:12 | set up a test-locale, fi-TEST or somesuch | |
| 17:13 | gmcharlt | tekonivel: install the translation, and enable it in the opaclanguages syspref |
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| 17:13 | tekonivel | i'd prefer not to forcefully expose my users to this translatin at this time |
| 17:16 | brendan | hi lee |
| 17:17 | Lee | sorry had a pause |
| 17:17 | board member dropped in | |
| 17:17 | quick question for anyone | |
| 17:19 | we want to add a RSS feed for trying to push notification of new materials added to the library out on twitter. suggestions? World cat isn't working like we want | |
| 17:25 | nengard | Lee, Koha has a custom RSS feed function |
| 17:25 | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]term=custom%20rss | |
| 17:27 | Lee | Thanks Nicole |
| 17:40 | ebegin | Concerning Zotero, I discovered that it doesn't work because the XSLT is activated for the details... I'm trying to move the <!-- COinS / OpenURL --> section elsewhere in the .tmpl file without success... is there anything else that zotero is looking? |
| 17:41 | I saw that there was a patch (bug 3559) about this, but i still have my Could not save item error after applying it. | |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | kyle++ for libki |
| 17:41 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on |
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| 17:48 | amadan1 | gmcharlt, i did add the build_zebra.pl to the cronjobs and run it as well restarted my server and still when i run a search in catlog, i get "no results found biblios in reservoir none" |
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| 17:57 | wizzyrea | do you rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a? |
| 17:57 | er, did you? | |
| 17:58 | (zebra is often the bane of my existence, don't feel bad if it's not working yet) | |
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| 18:04 | chris | morning |
| 18:04 | jdavidb | hi, chris! |
| 18:05 | Lee | Nicole. i think i am gonna need a bit more coaching- does anyone else have RSS set for new aquistions set up so I could look at it? |
| 18:05 | Hi Chris | |
| 18:06 | cron jobs not in my job description (embarrassed sad face) | |
| 18:07 | :s | |
| 18:08 | chris | Lee: if you wanted to restrict it to certain itemtypes, or collection codes you could do this |
| 18:11 | http://opac.koha.catalystdemo.[…]e_dsc&format=rss2 | |
| 18:11 | brendan | morning chris |
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| 18:15 | wizzyrea | mornin chris |
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| 18:29 | fredericd | chris: Strange. In HEAD, sypref .po files repeat comment lines several times, up to 20 times... |
| 18:30 | thd | you can nevr have enough comments :) |
| 18:31 | fredericd | thd: but 20 times the same comment... |
| 18:31 | chris | yeah, its harmless so i left it for now |
| 18:31 | but that seemed to be how the translate made them | |
| 18:32 | fredericd | ok |
| 18:32 | thd | fredericd: That is a start. We should trick the bug into writing new different comments. :) |
| 18:33 | chris | fredericd: they are all in pootle now too |
| 18:33 | fredericd | or say 20 times the same thing, but differently |
| 18:33 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/projects/sysprefs/ |
| 18:34 | fredericd | uniq standard command can easily suppress repeated lines, but if it's on pootle... |
| 18:35 | chris | yep can fix them up before the release, but the comments only appear once on pootle |
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| 18:35 | chris | (they are repeated in the file, but it doesnt show them) |
| 18:35 | so ill just fix them before the release and replace the files in pootle, but for now its safe to get ppl translating | |
| 18:36 | i finished english-NZ last night :) | |
| 18:37 | Lee | thanks for the link Chris, more questions later |
| 18:37 | thd | chris: what differs between English and English NZ or is English not English? |
| 18:39 | jdavidb | Take out a lot of the Z's, put in S's, add some extra U's.... |
| 18:39 | * thd | was forgetting that English had become not English under US influence |
| 18:39 | chris | thd english is really english-US |
| 18:39 | yeah | |
| 18:40 | change patrons to members that kinda thing | |
| 18:40 | collum | Noah Webster changed a bunch of spellings for Americans. To make it easier? |
| 18:40 | fredericd | jdavidb: very clear for English hobbyist |
| 18:40 | thd | chris: I assume that you are still intending to reverse that for 3.4 |
| 18:40 | owen | collum: I think it was just as much political |
| 18:40 | collum | Yep. |
| 18:40 | chris | naw, its fine with the translation |
| 18:42 | thd | I think that it is currently inconsistent with both English and the American dialect labeled English. Which is problematical. |
| 18:42 | chris | ok bus time |
| 18:42 | jdavidb | You're expecting Americans to be consistent, thd? Irrational. |
| 18:42 | chris | back later, apologies for missing the start of the coming meeting |
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| 18:43 | jdavidb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L[…]age#North_America |
| 18:43 | thd | jdavidb: I am expecting programmers to be consistent. |
| 18:43 | fredericd | Koha 'en' templates are not American english, airport English at best |
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| 18:48 | thd | slef: are you here? |
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| 18:51 | wizzyrea | lol airport english |
| 18:51 | * wizzyrea | just found that funny |
| 18:52 | russel | it would be lot easier to use irc on my phone if it didn't try to autocomplete irc to orchestra |
| 18:52 | nengard | heh |
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| 18:52 | nengard | spell check on my phone is usually pretty good - but sometimes i end up with some funny things |
| 18:53 | gmcharlt | amadan: do you get anything informative if you run rebuild_zebra.pl -b -a -z -v ? |
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| 18:57 | Jo | morning all |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | hi Jo |
| 18:57 | Jo | Hi Galen |
| 18:57 | I just emailed the list | |
| 18:59 | davi | hi |
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| 19:00 | davi | thd, slef is in traveling |
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| 19:00 | BobB | Good morning all. |
| 19:00 | Jo | Morning Bob |
| 19:00 | chris_n | hello |
| 19:00 | BobB | Its early here. still dark. |
| 19:01 | Jo | Volunteers / nominees for who will drive this meeting? |
| 19:01 | (bags not me) | |
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| 19:02 | Jo | early Hi Liz |
| 19:02 | wizzyrea_mobile | Hello |
| 19:02 | Jo | So would someone like to chair this meeting, |
| 19:02 | gmcharlt | Jo: I'm willing to moderate |
| 19:02 | Jo | Thanks Galen |
| 19:02 | gmcharlt | so let's get this show on the road |
| 19:03 | first, round of introductions | |
| 19:03 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM, Equinox |
| 19:03 | Jo | Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea_mobile | Liz Rea, NEKLS |
| 19:03 | * owen | = Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 19:03 | magnus | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 19:03 | russel | russel garlick catalystit |
| 19:03 | jdavidb | J. David Bavousett, PTFS (kindasorta here.) |
| 19:03 | * nengard | = Nicole Engard, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:03 | davi | Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop |
| 19:03 | * chris_n | = Chris Nighswonger, FBC |
| 19:03 | collum | Garry Collum, Kenton County Public Library |
| 19:03 | jwagner | Jane Wagner, PTFS |
| 19:03 | sekjal | Ian Walls, formerly NYUHSL, so-to-be ByWater Solutions |
| 19:03 | fredericd | fredericd: Frédéric Demians, Tamil |
| 19:04 | brendan | brendan gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:04 | * brendan | forgot that it was meeting time :) |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | ok, people can chime in as they show up |
| 19:04 | Lee | Lee Phillips Butte Public Montana |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt | the page for this meeting is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10mar02 |
| 19:04 | * owen | notices we now have no ops |
| 19:05 | Nate | Nate Curulla, ByWater Solutions |
| 19:05 | * ropuch | Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | and we have 5 agenda items, not counting the intros |
| 19:05 | first up - Report on DRAFT Horowhenua Library Trust KOHA Committee RULES | |
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| 19:05 | brendan | yeah we need to get better a keeping some ops on channel |
| 19:05 | BobB | Bob Birchall, Calyx |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | brendan: off-topic, but feel free to bug Si :) |
| 19:05 | Jo | ok, well the Trust meet last week and accepted the Draft rules except for 1 clause which they would like to strengthen |
| 19:06 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | draft rules: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]isation:hlt:rules |
| 19:06 | Jo | that is the clause about eligibility. |
| 19:06 | I have emailed out their suggestion to the list. | |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | link to Jo's email: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/pipe[…]March/022802.html |
| 19:06 | chris_n | I agree with Bob that it is a bit much, but will not object to its inclusion |
| 19:07 | Jo | lol - their very response to the rules :) |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | Bob's point about the trustee vs. committee member is apropos regardless |
| 19:08 | Jo | so if we tweak it accordingly, ie substitute committee memebrs for Trustees we could be pretty much there I think |
| 19:08 | (it was a cut and paste job) | |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | I agree with chris_n and Bob about it being a bit much, but I have no objection and don't see it likely becoming a practical issue |
| 19:08 | nengard | agreed |
| 19:09 | Jo | but as trustees, they can't have a subcommittee of members who don't meet the eligibility criteria for the trust itself, as it binds the trust |
| 19:09 | russel | +1 |
| 19:09 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | one question, though - what does "a person to whom an order made under Section 151 of the Companies |
| 19:09 | > Act 1993 (NZ) applies; | |
| 19:09 | mean? | |
| 19:09 | Jo | NZ laws basically provide the definitions. |
| 19:10 | I think that is the bankrupt one | |
| 19:10 | its about criminals so maybe not | |
| 19:10 | I | |
| 19:10 | I'll go look | |
| 19:10 | (coz heaps of people go pbankrupt) | |
| 19:10 | BobB | I don't know the NZ Companies Act, but it might mean someone debarred from being a Director |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | New_Zealand++ # http://www.legislation.govt.nz[…]90.html#DLM320690 |
| 19:10 | russel | iirc it means they have been barred from being a company director |
| 19:11 | jdavidb | New_Zealand++ # for lots of other reasons, too. |
| 19:11 | davi | Could it be amended in next years? |
| 19:11 | Jo | legislation can alwasy be amended |
| 19:11 | BobB | Its only a committee we're talking about here. It has no power to act in its own right. |
| 19:11 | Jo | which is i guess why trusts point to the legiclation |
| 19:12 | I guess its rules like this which compensate for the very open and enabling Trust Deed | |
| 19:12 | davi | I am pro direct democracy when possible |
| 19:12 | russel | keep in mind that this will only apply when under hlt |
| 19:12 | Jo | yep |
| 19:12 | davi | Although it requires an educated population ;) |
| 19:12 | gmcharlt | +1 # I see no roadblocks in the draft rules as proposed, accepted by HLT, and modified per Jo's email (the textual correction about committee members aside) |
| 19:13 | Jo | Bob: will you be willing to incorporate this clause into the draft and make it so please? |
| 19:13 | thd | gmcharlt: I have one concern |
| 19:13 | BobB | Yes Jo, I can do that. |
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| 19:14 | thd | Bob: How many votes in a minimum quarum count as a majority? |
| 19:15 | BobB: How many votes in a minimum quorum count as a majority? | |
| 19:15 | BobB | If there are seven members, then a quorum is four so a majority is three. the Chairman has a casting vote |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | davi: (and a reminder to all) HLT's stewardship is not necessarily permanent if the community decides to establish a Koha foundation or other non-profit entity, trust, governance agency, ????????, etc. |
| 19:16 | BobB | So if it was split 2 - 2, the Chairman can choose to resolve it one way or the other, or not resolve it. |
| 19:16 | thd | BobB: My concern is that if two are from the same organisation, they only need one other to have a majority in a minimum quorum |
| 19:16 | Jo | HLT would much prefer a seperate Koha foundation be established - but happy to be temporary guardians |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | thd: seven days written notice of meetings should avoid game playing with quorums |
| 19:17 | davi | sounds good gmcharlt |
| 19:17 | Jo | Remember too, that in the worst case scenario HLT can sack the committee if they think its in the best interests of the community |
| 19:17 | thd | gmcharlt: and the rule about no more than 30% of members with the same business relationship |
| 19:18 | Jo | (they never would unless it was the will of the community I am certain) |
| 19:18 | thd | thank you Jo |
| 19:18 | I am satisfied that the monarch can intervene in case of extreme danger :) | |
| 19:18 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:18 | * gmcharlt | salutes HLT, our benevolent dictator ;) |
| 19:19 | * chris_n | wonders what he would look like in a sack :) |
| 19:19 | gmcharlt | OK, I think we have a finalization of the draft rules (or rather, we will once BobB updates it) |
| 19:19 | davi | 30% is a good rule to add too |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | davi: it's in there already |
| 19:20 | chris | back |
| 19:20 | BobB | davi: Its there. |
| 19:20 | davi | ack |
| 19:20 | thd | davi: 30% is there for the total members |
| 19:21 | gmcharlt | so to give a statement of the will of the community, can we have +1/0/-1 for the draft rules as discussed? |
| 19:21 | Jo | +1 |
| 19:21 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:21 | russel | +1 |
| 19:21 | BobB | +1 |
| 19:21 | magnus | +1 |
| 19:21 | pnalon | +1 |
| 19:21 | thd | daivi: my concern had been that 30% of seven rounded down is half of a quorum |
| 19:21 | owen | +1 |
| 19:21 | collum | +1 |
| 19:21 | Lee | +1 |
| 19:21 | nengard | +1 |
| 19:22 | gmcharlt | +1 |
| 19:22 | Jo | so 30% should equal 4? |
| 19:22 | not 3? | |
| 19:22 | thd | +1 although, if the monarch ever has to intervene then the rules will need reconsideration |
| 19:22 | davi | thd, well, at least it is not a quorum |
| 19:22 | half of one | |
| 19:23 | sekjal | +1 |
| 19:23 | davi | It is true that to represent the _community_ a better valance should be set |
| 19:23 | The more diversity the better | |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt | davi: as with so much else in Koha, it ultimately depends on who shows up |
| 19:24 | davi | So, maybe 20% ? |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt, I know, but evolution is being good. We are setting a good base | |
| 19:24 | Jo | its only words, but to be honest the way the TRust works is by consensus. |
| 19:24 | BobB | I think we need to bear in mind the limited purpose of the committee. Its role is not the governance of the community. |
| 19:24 | Jo | In 10 years I have only ever seen 1 issue come to a vote and be divisive |
| 19:24 | chris | the other thing to remember is, the trust wont be governance |
| 19:25 | BobB: *snap* | |
| 19:25 | its a place to hold community property, its not going to be running the project | |
| 19:25 | Jo | and anything the subcommittee proposes has to be approved by the trust. |
| 19:25 | davi | Should be a 20% be a better balance? |
| 19:25 | chris | 30 is fine |
| 19:26 | davi | ack |
| 19:26 | BobB | The risk of two people from the same organisation being on the committee is low. The risk of them then behaving badly is even lower, imho. |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | the commitee is seven members tops, so it's the difference bweteen 1 and 2 |
| 19:26 | chris | like i say, its not doing governance, i dont think its worth overengineering something just for the sake of it |
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| 19:26 | thd | Jo: which vote was the divisive one? |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | under those circumstances, I think we're ready to move onto the next agenda item |
| 19:27 | davi | So it looks good as an start point |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | which is |
| 19:27 | # | |
| 19:27 | Report on status of negotiations over assignment of trademarks and domains. | |
| 19:27 | Jo | zero to report. |
| 19:27 | no communication what so ever of any sort. | |
| 19:27 | my emails disapear into ether :( | |
| 19:27 | wizzyrea_mobile | Sigh |
| 19:28 | Jo | thd: whether to develop Kete or not |
| 19:28 | davi | Are some of our question to them pending of an answer? |
| 19:28 | thd | davi: less than 2 may not allow seven people to be found who would show up sadly |
| 19:28 | gmcharlt | davi: all of them are, AFAIK |
| 19:28 | Jo | just the one asking them to give back the community assets :) |
| 19:28 | the only one we've asked | |
| 19:28 | BobB | Jo: does the Trust yet hold any community property? |
| 19:28 | davi | gmcharlt, I see |
| 19:29 | Jo | other than koha-community.org, no. although EU trademark stuff is in process |
| 19:29 | davi | gmcharlt, What next to do? |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | that brings us to our next agenda item, possible suggestions on unresolved negotiations |
| 19:29 | chris | i think we stop |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | from my POV, I see no reason to expect any further word from LibLime |
| 19:30 | Jo | I have heard from paul Poulain. |
| 19:30 | BobB | Apart from Liblime, are there any other holders we would like to hear from? |
| 19:30 | chris_n | koha-community.org becomes a permanent home then? |
| 19:30 | Jo | his opinion is that we have no hope of retrieving koha.org over forthcoming months. |
| 19:30 | chris | chris_n: i think we wait and see what happens with liblime |
| 19:30 | davi | Proposal: Build on koha-community.org, and announce. Then announce later on next release. |
| 19:30 | too. | |
| 19:30 | thd | there are other parties BobB |
| 19:31 | chris | BobB: ptfs hold kohails.org and kohadigitallibrary.com |
| 19:31 | thd | LibLime is merely the most important |
| 19:31 | chris | potentially talking to them |
| 19:31 | Jo | I fear that with the press of a key, just to spite the Koha community, we could lose access to a bunch of stuff residing on koha.org |
| 19:31 | chris | yeah theres nothing on there we need |
| 19:31 | its all backed up | |
| 19:31 | davi | I think we should announce as soon as possible that koha.org is out of control of Koha community, and that koha-coomunity.org is the new way to go |
| 19:31 | owen | But the wiki and bugzilla... |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | chris: including the bugs database? |
| 19:32 | chris_n | we can move them |
| 19:32 | the data that is | |
| 19:32 | chris | gmcharlt: it was, probably need a recent one |
| 19:32 | davi | Jo, migrate-copy as soon as possible |
| 19:32 | russ | davi: might be a bit heavy handed at this stage |
| 19:32 | thd | I would volunteer to migrate the wiki assuming my troubles with a recent injury are over |
| 19:32 | nengard | also there is git.koha.org - right? |
| 19:32 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 19:32 | but git is trivial to recreate | |
| 19:32 | nengard | got it |
| 19:33 | chris | yup, tis the wiki and bugs |
| 19:33 | davi | russ, It seems we have already back up. That is good news |
| 19:33 | Jo | Paul gives our support to take decisive action to move to koha-community.org if that is the decision we make |
| 19:34 | and then announce it widely and loudly | |
| 19:34 | nengard | as a side note - my upcoming open source book only links to koha-community :) not koha.org |
| 19:34 | gmcharlt | I agree that we should move forward with koha-community.org, with one proviso - a clear statement that koha.org is, of right, community property |
| 19:34 | Lee | IMHO the sooner we move the less confusion for new Koha users |
| 19:34 | Jo | Lee: I agree |
| 19:34 | wizzyrea_mobile | Im working on the google rank actively |
| 19:34 | davi | great nengard |
| 19:35 | Lee | hee hee |
| 19:35 | Jo | and a clear statement about the relationship / status between the 2 domains needs to be made too. |
| 19:35 | chris | yes, i agree with gmcharlt |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | Jo: agreed |
| 19:35 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:35 | nengard | +1 |
| 19:35 | wizzyrea_mobile | Jo: there kind of is already |
| 19:35 | Lee | a generous reference...you may also see....org |
| 19:35 | Jo | do we want a formal motion put to the meeting? |
| 19:35 | (its quite a big step " | |
| 19:35 | thd | +1 |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 19:35 | Lee | lets vote |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | I move that we migrate all koha.org websites and services to koha-community.org |
| 19:36 | chris_n | I second |
| 19:36 | nengard | +1 |
| 19:36 | owen | +1 |
| 19:36 | Jo | +1 |
| 19:36 | thd | +1 |
| 19:36 | Lee | +1 |
| 19:36 | brendan | +1 |
| 19:36 | collum | +1 |
| 19:36 | davi | gmcharlt, Each time we write (koha.org) we should state that they are the bad guys, creating customer locking ... |
| 19:36 | hdl_laptop | +1 |
| 19:36 | magnus | +1 |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea_mobile | +1 |
| 19:36 | Jo | paul Poulain +1 |
| 19:36 | sekjal | +1 |
| 19:36 | BobB | +1 |
| 19:36 | pnalon | +1 |
| 19:36 | gmcharlt | davi: more precisely, koha.org isn't the problem itself; don't want to hurt our own name; it's the current holders |
| 19:36 | * hdl_laptop | Henri-Damien LAURENT, BibLibre for the record |
| 19:36 | davi | You are right gmcharlt |
| 19:37 | BobB | However, lets not denigrate Liblime in doing so. Calm statements of facts. Not wanting to burn bridges, as far as possible. |
| 19:37 | thd | davi: calling people bad may be true but it generally does not help persuade and seems especially unconvincing wwhen thhey have been good in the past |
| 19:37 | Lee | Koha.org is archieval community is the future |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea_mobile | on a practical level someone will have to properly host the dns |
| 19:37 | davi | So, include always the name of such bad entities. Could you repeat here again the bad name of such bad entity? |
| 19:37 | thd | BobB++ |
| 19:37 | russ | err so we are giving up all hope of getting back to koha.org then? |
| 19:38 | gmcharlt | russ: hope of getting it via negotiations with LibLime |
| 19:38 | thd | russ: not giving up all hope |
| 19:38 | gmcharlt++ sadly | |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea_mobile | We just really need a place we have access to to post news |
| 19:38 | Lee | think of it as rebranding |
| 19:38 | russ | so migrate to koha-community, hope to get koha.org back some time, then migrate back? |
| 19:38 | gmcharlt | russ: ideally, yes |
| 19:39 | chris | yes |
| 19:39 | gmcharlt | well, not ideally, but you know hwat I mean |
| 19:39 | russ | gmcharlt: yep |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea_mobile | Or just use one and redirect |
| 19:39 | pnalon | yes |
| 19:39 | Lee | +1 Liz |
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| 19:39 | davi | wizzyrea_mobile, post copies of the same article at several ones, redit, dig, social networks and so on |
| 19:39 | gmcharlt | ok, that brings us straight into the next agenda item |
| 19:39 | # | |
| 19:39 | Next issues if negotiations have concluded. | |
| 19:40 | as I see it, what we have facing us is now a simple practical matter of getting the various services recreated | |
| 19:40 | thd | gmcharlt: just to be clear there are still parties with whom to negotiate |
| 19:40 | nengard | recreated and promoted well enough to bring new koha users to the right place |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | ok back at keyboard whew |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | thd: BibLibre's transfer of the EU copyright to HLT is not a problem AFAIK |
| 19:41 | davi | I would include a <div> in koha-community asking to get back koha.org to community control, but stating we do not have in any hurry. Up to them, LibLime |
| 19:41 | Jo | paperwork filed re EU koha stuff |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | davi: I would really, really rather leave koha-community as apolitical as possible |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | which leaves as outstanding issues some points of discussion with PTFS, which I suggest we ask Jo and HLT to conitnue to pursue |
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| 19:42 | wizzyrea | just keep the hight ground |
| 19:42 | thd | gmcharlt; I meant various domains held by businesses with Koha in the name |
| 19:42 | Lee | +1 Liz |
| 19:42 | Jo | not Jo and HLT anymore : The Koha Subcommittee |
| 19:42 | davi | wizzyrea, It is not political, It is informing users |
| 19:42 | * owen | agrees with wizzyrea |
| 19:42 | thd | gmcharlt; and any other types of registrations |
| 19:42 | Jo | wizzyrea : I agree |
| 19:42 | russ | wizzyrea: +1 |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | as koha.org gets more and more out of date, and koha-community has updated and good content, informing people won't be necessary |
| 19:43 | Lee | agreed |
| 19:43 | nengard | thought of another url - contribs.koha.org |
| 19:43 | chris_n | wizzyrea++ # the high ground is the best ground |
| 19:43 | davi | wizzyrea, Maybe you are right |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ # we're on the mainstream side of the fork, in any event |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | and, frankly, it looks bad to denigrate one sector of our own community |
| 19:44 | even if they are <things we cannot say in public> | |
| 19:44 | Jo | so where we are up to again sorry - lost the thread |
| 19:44 | davi | ok, I see |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | like it or not LL is still in our community, to some extent. |
| 19:45 | davi | are they giving back? |
| 19:45 | gmcharlt | Jo: the current agenda item is # |
| 19:45 | Next issues if negotiations have concluded. | |
| 19:45 | wizzyrea | their copyright notice is in zillions of our files |
| 19:45 | Jo | thanks |
| 19:45 | thd | wizzyrea: I think that is something to like |
| 19:46 | davi | wizzyrea, But are they continuing to give back? |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | so as far as practical next steps are concerned, we have the following services to recreate |
| 19:46 | main website # NEKLS and wizzyrea are doing that right now | |
| 19:46 | bugs database | |
| 19:46 | thd | wizzyrea: in the community even somewhat is helpful |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | wiki |
| 19:46 | contribs | |
| 19:46 | git & gitweb | |
| 19:46 | Jo | can we move on please folks (sorry but I have leave very soon) |
| 19:46 | * wizzyrea | lets it die ;) |
| 19:46 | BobB | Two issues are being discussed : koha-community.org and gathering community property from others than Liblime |
| 19:47 | gmcharlt | so at this point, I'd like to call for volunteers for people to host koha-community.org subdomains |
| 19:47 | thd | I have much experience setting up and modifying dokuwiki |
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| 19:47 | gmcharlt | and to distribute them internationally |
| 19:47 | forgot one - translations | |
| 19:47 | * wizzyrea | notes that there will need to be some changes re: DNS hosting before they can go up |
| 19:47 | russ | gmcharlt: chris and i would need to talk to our directors here first |
| 19:47 | chris | thats already hosted offsite, so that would just be dns |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | ok, then I propose we move this discussion onto the mailing lists |
| 19:48 | chris | (translate.koha-community.org) |
| 19:48 | yep sounds good | |
| 19:48 | russ | gmcharlt: thanks |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | thd++ for docuwiki expertise |
| 19:48 | nengard | gmcharlt speaking of the lists - there is also lists.koha.org :) |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | so then regarding the of gathering other community property, I suggest we ask HLT to report back during the next meeting |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | contribs we could do as a subdomain of the existing koha-community |
| 19:49 | chris | nengard: also hosted offsite |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | nengard: BibLibre controls lists.koha.org, easy enough to add an additional name |
| 19:49 | nengard | awesome |
| 19:49 | chris | so another dns thing, like translate |
| 19:49 | its only the ones hosted at LL taht are a problem | |
| 19:49 | Lee | Butte has server space but limited tech support |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | well, also the issue that LL controls top-level DNS for koha.org |
| 19:50 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: we host lists.koha.org |
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| 19:50 | hdl_laptop | But DNS is hosted by LL |
| 19:50 | thd | I hope to avoid extra tedious copying of content |
| 19:50 | davi | Who control the parent koha.org? That is to say, do we have control of lists.koha.org if we do not have control of its parent koha.org? |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | davi: that would be LibLime |
| 19:50 | chris | davi: not the dns, but the site yes |
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| 19:50 | Jo | (I'm inclined to ask for an amenesty on all Koha property: just return it - no questions asked :) |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | jo++ |
| 19:51 | davi | chris, So it can be switch via DNS change IP |
| 19:51 | Lee | lol |
| 19:51 | nengard | Jo++ |
| 19:51 | magnus | Jo++ |
| 19:51 | gmcharlt | Jo++ # hope it works :) |
| 19:51 | thd | Jo: amnesty? |
| 19:51 | davi | Also, all koha-community.org would be less confusion than some koha.org and other not |
| 19:52 | hdl_laptop | davi++ |
| 19:52 | davi | A complete re-branding |
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| 19:52 | Lee | I think I said that... |
| 19:52 | hdl_laptop | But we could give back lists. |
| 19:52 | davi | Forget about koha.org up to we get it back on control |
| 19:52 | hdl_laptop | quite quickly. |
| 19:52 | gmcharlt | I think we're veering into chatter now |
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| 19:52 | gmcharlt | let's set the time for the next meeting |
| 19:52 | BobB | thd: A general pardon of past offences granted by government |
| 19:53 | Jo | (thd: was a joke ... we run amnesty's on library books) |
| 19:53 | thd | Jo+1 |
| 19:53 | gmcharlt | I propose 6 April 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 |
| 19:53 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:53 | Jo | cool |
| 19:54 | Lee | +1 |
| 19:54 | magnus | +1 |
| 19:54 | davi | There is not better announcement than leave lists.koha.org and go to lists.koha-community.org |
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| 19:54 | davi | +1 6 April 2010 |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | davi: yeah, but that should probably be the *last* subsite we change the name of, as people do get tetchy about messing with their email settings |
| 19:55 | davi | ack gmcharlt |
| 19:55 | wizzyrea | tetchy, i like that |
| 19:55 | chris_n | grrrr |
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| 19:56 | davi | It is good stay in lists.koha.org for some time to direct people to new lists.koha-community.org |
| 19:56 | gmcharlt | ok, thanks all - I declare this meeting done and Jo free to run away and leave us ;) |
| 19:56 | Jo | thanks folks - gotta run sorry |
| 19:57 | wizzyrea | bye jo |
| 19:57 | owen | Thank you Jo |
| 19:57 | Lee | thanks Jo |
| 19:57 | Jo | nick /joaway |
| 19:57 | chris_n | bye Jo |
| 19:57 | Lee | thanks for chairing gmc |
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| 19:57 | wizzyrea | lol really? |
| 19:57 | * wizzyrea | looks around for her evil twin |
| 19:58 | chris_n | quite mobile today Liz? |
| 19:58 | BobB | Thanks all. Bye |
| 19:58 | wizzyrea | lol apparently... my phone has gone crazy... it's off and locked!! |
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| 19:58 | wizzyrea | wow that was nuts |
| 19:58 | chris_n | hehe |
| 19:59 | * wizzyrea | is unnerved |
| 19:59 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: run, run fast if it is getting its cellular service from SkyNet |
| 20:00 | wizzyrea | ATT, same thing. |
| 20:00 | * gmcharlt | shivers |
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| 20:01 | wizzyrea | ok, so practical |
| 20:01 | DNS: the registrar's hosting isn't all too flexible | |
| 20:02 | chris | i thought katipo offered to host the dns? |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea | oh, well problem solved then :() |
| 20:02 | :)_ | |
| 20:02 | sorry, i was on my phone reading, I might have missed that | |
| 20:03 | chris | that was last meeting |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | hm. As far as I know the DNS is still hosted by the registrar |
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| 20:03 | richard | gah. sorry i forgot to ask si about it |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea | richard++ ok, mystery solved |
| 20:03 | :D | |
| 20:04 | BobB | quit |
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| 20:05 | nengard | wizzyrea to help with that google rank i changed every link to koha.org on my blog to koha-community - i also updated the facebook & linkedin pages :) |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | ty ty |
| 20:06 | nengard | in FL |
| 20:06 | oops - wrong window | |
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| 20:07 | Lee | chris see my verison on other channel |
| 20:07 | chris | yep |
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| 20:10 | * magnus | sees koha-community.org as hit #9 in a google-search for "koha" - not too bad? |
| 20:10 | * owen | has been trying to chase down koha.org links on myacpl.org |
| 20:10 | chris | its 3rd for koha ils |
| 20:15 | magnus | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koha_%28software%29 has both koha-community.org and koha.org in the sidebar, but only koha.org at the bottom - should we remove koha.org? |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | magnus: no - that would be a NPOV violation from wikipedia's point of view |
| 20:16 | magnus | gmcharlt: ok |
| 20:16 | add koha-community.org at the bottom, then? | |
| 20:17 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | do we want to change the Temp home statement, gmcharlt? |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: yes, we should |
| 20:22 | * gmcharlt | plays rock, paper, scissors with wizzyrea |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | you lose, I already did it ;) |
| 20:23 | gmcharlt | though I think we should say something about today's decision as well, if nothing else to point to the IRC log |
| 20:23 | I'll do that as a comment to that post | |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | ok sounds good |
| 20:24 | I just took out all references to "temporary" | |
| 20:24 | and I think I'll unlink koha.org | |
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| 20:27 | gmcharlt | k, comment posted |
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| 20:28 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt++ |
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| 20:31 | nengard | magnus - read my mind - i was in there editing the page you should refresh it |
| 20:31 | magnus | nengard: goody, i got sidetracked on something else |
| 20:32 | schuster | Question - I have my 3.2 database loaded but am having trouble getting the zebra index to run. When I do rebuild_zebra.pl -b -w it just sits there and acts like it's doing something... |
| 20:33 | magnus | nengard: gmcharlt thought removing koha.org completely might be a bad idea, i think... |
| 20:33 | nengard | well that page has nothing up to date on it - so i removed it |
| 20:33 | chris | yeah wikipedia wont like that |
| 20:33 | nengard | it's not the official site |
| 20:33 | you guys can add it back - but it's not the official site - the community just said so | |
| 20:33 | chris_n | schuster: add -v |
| 20:34 | and are you running the script as your kohauser? | |
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| 20:34 | gmcharlt | nengard: as I told magnus, that's going to be considered a NPOV violation by wikipedia regulars |
| 20:34 | schuster | AH!!! -v +++ |
| 20:35 | nengard | NPOV? |
| 20:35 | magnus | nengard: i agree with you so i wont change it, but i know too little about the inner workings of wikipedia... |
| 20:35 | gmcharlt | neutral point of view |
| 20:35 | schuster | Guess that maybe needs to be added to the INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions? |
| 20:35 | nengard | but it's not nuetral - i'll add a reference to it to show that it's official |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | heh - define official - it's official to me and thee, but would be contested by others |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea | nengard that's the point, wikipedia articles are *supposed* to be neutral |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | i.e., it may not be a big deal, but don't be surprised if the wikipedia change gets reverted |
| 20:36 | nengard | i'll put a reference in |
| 20:36 | and i put a lot of edits to update things - not just that link | |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | and whoa, about sekjal joining bywater!? That's so cool! |
| 20:37 | magnus | yeah, i noticed that too - nice! |
| 20:39 | nengard | we're excited!!! :) |
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| 20:41 | nengard | reference added to wikipedia page |
| 20:42 | Lee | :) |
| 20:42 | later peeps | |
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| 20:43 | schuster | gmcharlt - so last night I added a comment to log 4151 - about some other typo stuff, would you prefer a new log or just keep commenting there? |
| 20:43 | gmcharlt | schuster: add to 4151 |
| 20:44 | schuster | ok thanks. There is a log 4146 that I created dealing with dependancies too that is probably a duplicate to what is in 4151... Do you want me to compare and edit 4151 and then close the other? |
| 20:44 | bug 4151 | |
| 20:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading |
| 20:44 | schuster | bug 4146 |
| 20:44 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4146 major, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, dependancies needed for installation |
| 20:44 | gmcharlt | yep, please merge the bugs |
| 20:45 | schuster | ok will do .. |
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| 20:52 | schuster | Whoo who! Squished a bug without looking! ... |
| 20:52 | ;) | |
| 20:53 | off to the dentist... thanks everyone have a great night! | |
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| 20:54 | * gmcharlt | sees that schuster has made other plans |
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| 21:09 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:09 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 16.3�C (1:08 PM PST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | oh, it's the weather time of day |
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| 21:15 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 21:15 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is 2.2�C (3:11 PM CST on March 02, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 51%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Windchill: -1.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1019.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:16 | moodaepo | Yes it got warmer! Thanks Sun. |
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| 21:22 | bgkriegel | @wunder 87344 |
| 21:22 | munin | bgkriegel: Error: No such location could be found. |
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| 21:31 | psychokiller | hello |
| 21:31 | chris | talking heads fan? :) |
| 21:31 | psychokiller | im amazed that there are some many people here |
| 21:31 | yes and to be honest i feel like one | |
| 21:31 | after trying to install kohan on ubuntu | |
| 21:32 | chris | what version? |
| 21:32 | psychokiller | any help provided here ? |
| 21:32 | latest version of Koha and Ubuntu too | |
| 21:32 | chris | so 3.0.5 ? |
| 21:32 | psychokiller | im stuck with step 5 |
| 21:32 | of the install readme | |
| 21:33 | chris | the INSTALL.ubuntu one? |
| 21:33 | * chris | is checking he is reading the same thing |
| 21:33 | chris | right, for step 5 |
| 21:33 | psychokiller | one minute |
| 21:34 | thats actually step 4 | |
| 21:34 | chris | it is better to follow INSTALL.debian-lenny, option 2 |
| 21:34 | (configure and start zebra) | |
| 21:34 | psychokiller | Configure and start Apache $ sudo ln -s /etc/koha/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha (note that the path to koha-httpd.conf may be different depending on your installation choices) |
| 21:34 | chris | ah apache |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | Ah yea |
| 21:34 | chris | right |
| 21:35 | psychokiller | yes ? |
| 21:35 | whats right ? | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | did you do a dev or standard install? |
| 21:35 | psychokiller | dont know about that |
| 21:35 | i guess i did a dev | |
| 21:35 | im new on ubuntu I was guided by a fellow | |
| 21:35 | up to now but he had to leave | |
| 21:36 | they put him in a mental hospital | |
| 21:36 | bgkriegel | psyckokiller: you downloaded a tarball or use git |
| 21:36 | psychokiller | i downloaded this : |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | hopefully not because of ubuntu |
| 21:37 | psychokiller | http://koha.org/download |
| 21:37 | the first one | |
| 21:37 | well he is familiar with ubuntu | |
| 21:37 | but i was joking | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | oh, 3.0.2? |
| 21:37 | psychokiller | so where is my APACHE directory ? |
| 21:37 | i have none | |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | usually /etc/apache2 |
| 21:37 | psychokiller | i installed XAMPP |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 21:38 | psychokiller | but no apache directory |
| 21:38 | doesnt work with XAMPP ? | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | xampp on ubuntu? |
| 21:38 | psychokiller | it needs plain old LAMP |
| 21:38 | yes XAMPP on UBUNTU it can be done | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | same thing, just weird paths |
| 21:38 | psychokiller | it works |
| 21:38 | so what can i do ? | |
| 21:39 | please im begging | |
| 21:39 | * wizzyrea | is here to help |
| 21:39 | psychokiller | i need this for my degree project |
| 21:39 | bgkriegel | there is no /etc/apache2 ?? |
| 21:39 | psychokiller | no |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | sok, we feel ya |
| 21:39 | psychokiller | i installed XAMPP |
| 21:39 | wizzyrea | we'll get there, let me check out xampp real quicky like |
| 21:39 | psychokiller | not plain LAMP |
| 21:40 | * wizzyrea | hasn't used it in a while |
| 21:40 | bgkriegel | ok, do you know where are the configuration files for your web server? |
| 21:40 | psychokiller | i assume the Control Panel |
| 21:40 | will point me to them | |
| 21:40 | lets see | |
| 21:40 | wizzyrea | is there a /lampp/etc/ directory? |
| 21:41 | can you 'locate httpd.conf' | |
| 21:41 | or are you gui ubuntu only | |
| 21:41 | psychokiller | i did |
| 21:41 | there is etc | |
| 21:41 | and its in there | |
| 21:42 | bgkriegel | just /etc/httpd.conf or in a directory? |
| 21:42 | psychokiller | so what do i do ? |
| 21:42 | its opt/lampp/etc/httpd.com | |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | ok, can you 'locate koha-httpd.conf' ? |
| 21:43 | psychokiller | in the terminal ? |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | that's the easiest, i think |
| 21:44 | psychokiller | i get nothinh |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | ok... here's the hard truth: |
| 21:44 | psychokiller | i can take it |
| 21:45 | wizzyrea | 1. the istructions weren't written for xampp, so that immediately makes it much harder |
| 21:45 | 2. it really works better if you go straight LAMP, and it's really not hard to configure | |
| 21:45 | psychokiller | is there a 3. ? |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | that said, I propose you do the following: |
| 21:46 | psychokiller | aha |
| 21:46 | wizzyrea | download the latest ubuntu server |
| 21:46 | pick the LAMP option | |
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| 21:46 | wizzyrea | and try the instructions again |
| 21:47 | we will have a MUCH easier time trying to help you | |
| 21:47 | :) | |
| 21:47 | psychokiller | so do i need to unnistall XAMPP ? |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | i'm not sure, but it probably wouldn't hurt |
| 21:47 | psychokiller | so where can i find LAMP ? |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | www.virtualbox.org, if you don't want to dedicate an entire computer to it |
| 21:48 | erm | |
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| 21:48 | wizzyrea | LAMP is linux/apache/mysql/php |
| 21:48 | psychokiller | i know that |
| 21:48 | so no package ? | |
| 21:48 | chris | yeah but you dont want php |
| 21:48 | psychokiller | i have to install one at a time ? |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | when you are running the installer from the CD for ubuntu server, one of the options is "LAMP server" |
| 21:49 | chris | not for koha anyway |
| 21:49 | psychokiller | i do need PHP |
| 21:49 | for other reasons | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | he might though ;) |
| 21:49 | psychokiller | one of the options is this ? |
| 21:49 | haven't seen it | |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | plus, as I have said many times, ubuntu server installer, for nubs, is win |
| 21:49 | psychokiller | but anyways are you telling me i have to re-install 9.10 ? |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | (no offense) |
| 21:50 | psychokiller | conlusion , you are telling me to do this :1 |
| 21:50 | Reinstall Ubuntu 9.10 | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | yes, or try it in a virtualbox, if you don't feel like wiping |
| 21:51 | psychokiller | oh my god |
| 21:51 | i've already installed it 2 times | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | so the project is due tomorrow then |
| 21:51 | psychokiller | so i better prepare a ladder |
| 21:51 | a rope | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 21:52 | bgkriegel | you can try to install the requiered package individually: apache2, php-mysql, mysql-server |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 21:52 | psychokiller | well thats what LAMP is , isn;t ? |
| 21:52 | bgkriegel | yes |
| 21:52 | but on standard paths | |
| 21:53 | psychokiller | well how do i uninstall XAMPP from Ubuntu ? does it take 4 hours too ? |
| 21:53 | bgkriegel | rm -rf /opt/lampp |
| 21:53 | psychokiller | that's it ? |
| 21:53 | it can't be that GOOD ? | |
| 21:53 | oh please GOD !!!! | |
| 21:53 | bgkriegel | yes, it's all on tha path |
| 21:53 | psychokiller | please |
| 21:54 | bgkriegel | but tou don't need to uninstall |
| 21:54 | simply stop it: /opt/lampp/lampp stop | |
| 21:54 | psychokiller | i dont ? |
| 21:54 | and there isnt going to be a conflict ? | |
| 21:54 | bgkriegel | no if it remains stopped |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | not if you stop it |
| 21:55 | psychokiller | ok |
| 21:55 | i know have to get some TUTORIALS on how to install | |
| 21:55 | every single part of LAMP | |
| 21:55 | dont think there something in the greek ubuntu forum | |
| 21:55 | for that | |
| 21:55 | oh lord | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | that's why we propose the LAMP option on Ubuntu server install |
| 21:57 | it's working pretty much out of the box. | |
| 21:57 | bgkriegel | as wizzyrea told you, if you install ubuntu server it simply as select LAMP server on the installation screen |
| 21:57 | psychokiller | can't do a reinstall |
| 21:57 | i didnt see that selection to be honest | |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | did you do server or desktop? |
| 21:58 | psychokiller | is there a tutorial handy for LAMP installation |
| 21:58 | i think i did desktop | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | http://tinyurl.com/ygk29dx |
| 21:58 | that would be why you didn't see it | |
| 21:59 | psychokiller | oh lord |
| 21:59 | so you are all librarians ? | |
| 22:00 | web developers working on libraries ? | |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | all of the above |
| 22:00 | psychokiller | *in libraries |
| 22:00 | wizzyrea | developers, interested parties |
| 22:00 | is this for library school? | |
| 22:00 | psychokiller | that's nice |
| 22:01 | do you steal books from the libraries ? | |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | no, we check them out, like normal people |
| 22:01 | psychokiller | lol |
| 22:01 | but you are the masters | |
| 22:01 | who can tell if you checked them out or not ? | |
| 22:01 | wizzyrea | with great power comes great responsibility |
| 22:02 | psychokiller | well actually im studying in a university in the Digital Systems department |
| 22:02 | and doing my senior project | |
| 22:02 | we call it here Degree project | |
| 22:02 | wizzyrea | Ahhh |
| 22:03 | psychokiller | its building an e-library |
| 22:03 | and i want to pursue after my first degree | |
| 22:03 | a post-degree course on librarianship | |
| 22:04 | Jo left #koha | |
| 22:04 | psychokiller | so i wanted to check out some open source library software before |
| 22:05 | starting to build my site | |
| 22:05 | well no greek uni that i know of uses koha but | |
| 22:05 | oh well | |
| 22:05 | does koha reign only in New Zealand ? | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | no sir |
| 22:06 | http://www.librarytechnology.org/map.pl?ILS=Koha | |
| 22:06 | in fact you may be interested in http://koha-community.org | |
| 22:06 | which is a much better resource than koha.org, at the moment | |
| 22:06 | (for one, it's up to date) | |
| 22:07 | brendan | nice plug wizzyrea_ |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | |
| 22:07 | psychokiller | oh my god ! |
| 22:07 | brendan | morelinks++ |
| 22:07 | psychokiller | do you people no about a place called Europe ? |
| 22:07 | it's where civilization started | |
| 22:07 | no one uses Koha in Europe ? | |
| 22:07 | chris | bzzt that was africa |
| 22:07 | richard | lol |
| 22:08 | chris | and yes lots of people use Koha in Europe |
| 22:08 | psychokiller | no it wasnt africa |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | they just aren't on that map |
| 22:08 | psychokiller | anyway |
| 22:08 | chris | civilisation != white people |
| 22:08 | psychokiller | nope |
| 22:09 | civilisation = first written documents | |
| 22:09 | chris | lol |
| 22:09 | psychokiller | it started in mesopotamia |
| 22:09 | and egypt | |
| 22:09 | chris | egypt is in africa |
| 22:09 | psychokiller | 3500 bc |
| 22:09 | well mesopotamia is actually the | |
| 22:10 | established first place for civilization | |
| 22:10 | chris | and id dispute that writing is the measure of civilisation |
| 22:10 | but that's an argument for philosophers not me | |
| 22:10 | psychokiller | but oh well lot of what we now call western civilization started in this dreadfull place that i know live |
| 22:10 | that i *now live | |
| 22:11 | chris | there is even a koha greek site |
| 22:11 | psychokiller | yes i saw that too |
| 22:11 | dont know who the hell translate it | |
| 22:11 | is there an email of that guy ? | |
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| 22:11 | chris | its a woman |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | ...wow, batting 1k there |
| 22:12 | So | |
| 22:12 | psychokiller | it is ? |
| 22:12 | well she didnt translate much to be honest | |
| 22:12 | lol | |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | 1. download ubuntu server |
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| 22:12 | * chris | heads out |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | 2. pick the LAMP option |
| 22:13 | 3. come back when you've got a stable, standard environment | |
| 22:13 | and we can help you | |
| 22:13 | psychokiller | where is 1. ? |
| 22:14 | bgkriegel | http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-server |
| 22:14 | psychokiller | yes |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 22:15 | bgkriegel: you're just *that* much faster than me ;) | |
| 22:15 | bgkriegel | :) |
| 22:15 | psychokiller | oh my god i just remembered does this mean i have to set up AGAIN my internet connection with an ethernet cable ? |
| 22:15 | Genji | use virtualbox. |
| 22:16 | bgkriegel | keep a copy of /etc/network/interfaces |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | ^^ |
| 22:18 | psychokiller | no such dir |
| 22:19 | ok found it | |
| 22:19 | sorry | |
| 22:19 | bgkriegel | no problem |
| 22:19 | in that file is the network configuration | |
| 22:19 | psychokiller | really ? |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 22:19 | psychokiller | its small |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | linux is cool like that :P |
| 22:20 | psychokiller | and what do i do it ? |
| 22:20 | i store in a usb drive and then copy it to my new installation ? | |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | pretty much |
| 22:20 | psychokiller | its too good to be true |
| 22:21 | ill give it a try anyway | |
| 22:21 | so i have a question suppose you want to check out a book | |
| 22:21 | and you just do that | |
| 22:22 | and someone comes in and wants the book you borrowed | |
| 22:22 | what do you do ? | |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | they can put a hold on it. |
| 22:22 | psychokiller | but YOU ARE THE LIBRARIAN |
| 22:22 | wizzyrea | and the next time it's checked in, the staff member will get a notification that the next person in line gets the book |
| 22:23 | psychokiller | do you scan books from your library ? |
| 22:24 | bgkriegel | to make an electronic copy? |
| 22:24 | psychokiller | no to illegally upload them on internet |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | psychokiller: to circumvent library policies, as a staff member, would be unethical and unfair to the patrons |
| 22:25 | no, libraries do not do that | |
| 22:25 | our patrons... on the other hand... | |
| 22:25 | psychokiller | im not talking about libraries |
| 22:26 | im talking about librarians off papers | |
| 22:27 | well sometimes scanning a book that's not on the market anymore | |
| 22:27 | is a contribution to civilization | |
| 22:27 | even the writers are happy when you do that | |
| 22:28 | ... so i came across with another opensource software | |
| 22:28 | called greenstone | |
| 22:28 | or something | |
| 22:29 | it wasn't that exciting | |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | yep |
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| 22:30 | psychokiller | that was from New Zealand too however |
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| 22:30 | wizzyrea | yep, lots of good stuff there |
| 22:30 | hey john | |
| 22:30 | indy* | |
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| 23:02 | chris | hi pianohackr|work |
| 23:02 | pianohackr|work | Hi, chris |
| 23:02 | chris | you all healed up now? |
| 23:02 | brendan | hey pianohackr|work |
| 23:02 | :) | |
| 23:03 | pianohackr|work | Hi :) |
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| 23:43 | chris_n | nice; Breeding's releases use koha-community.org |
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