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| 00:15 | wajasu | when you do an install of koha, do you run 'make install' as root? (or koha). Cause by zebra /var/lock/koha/biblios files are owned by root. I run zebrasrv and rebuild_zebra.pl as koha. |
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| 00:17 | wajasu | when i rebuild my indexes, it says --> 17:57:40-23/02 zebraidx(20131) [warn] zebra_lock_create fail fname=/var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios/norm..LCK [Permission denied] |
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| 00:20 | chris | id chown those dirs -R to koha |
| 00:20 | if you do a standard install it does that for you, a dev one misses that step | |
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| 00:32 | wajasu | i thought i did a standard install. ok , checking perms. |
| 00:33 | braedon|work | is this Zebra permissions? |
| 00:34 | wajasu | yes |
| 00:35 | i did chown -R koha:koha /var/run/koha and /var/lock/koha | |
| 00:35 | i'm doing a fast index now | |
| 00:36 | braedon|work | chris: are you supposed to do the "make install" for a dev install as root? i did mine as root as usual, had the permissions issue, so next time tried doing it as Koha. It went through fine, and no permissions issues (obviously) |
| 00:37 | wajasu | now it gets further, but complains about "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing", "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information", "[fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register" |
| 00:37 | i did mine as root. | |
| 00:38 | but this is my first time using zebra. | |
| 00:38 | 3.02 version | |
| 00:38 | i staged and imported 1600 records. | |
| 00:38 | braedon|work | you need to do it as root for a standard install, but not sure how you would end up with the wrong user with standard install |
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| 00:39 | rich-away is now known as richard | |
| 00:39 | braedon|work | unless you didn't set the koha user correctly in Makefile.pl run? |
| 00:40 | wajasu | i've been only changin the db password, and something to dom, and no SRU. The rest the same. |
| 00:41 | braedon|work | wouldn't have a clue about those later errors sorry - my knowledge of Zebra extends to what have personally encountered, and not an inch further :( |
| 00:43 | wajasu | i had put items in my marc records (952 field). I don't see any in the db. maybe because I didn't add the library code until after I imported. |
| 00:43 | my items table is empty. | |
| 00:45 | lets see if undo import get me empty tables. | |
| 00:47 | braedon|work | yeah, you need the library code |
| 00:48 | beware of undoing imports - kills zebra indexing for me | |
| 00:48 | have to completely regen index, rather than letting the queue remove the old ones - it just doesn't seem to | |
| 00:49 | i left one of mine running for at least 4 hours using 80%cpu processing zebraqueue after a import undo | |
| 00:49 | when it finally finished, they sill where showing up in searches | |
| 00:50 | wajasu | its undone. and zero entries in my biblios, items, and biblioitems. |
| 00:50 | now i'll try an import but with my library code. | |
| 00:50 | braedon|work | is zebraqueue runing? |
| 00:51 | wajasu | the zebrasrv is. |
| 00:51 | braedon|work | if you search, does it being up any results? |
| 00:52 | s/being/bring/ | |
| 00:52 | wajasu | wait. its importing. (1 minute and it will be done) |
| 00:54 | i haven't run zebraqueue.pl yet on this system. is that a queue that handles updating the zebra index on the fly or what? | |
| 00:54 | braedon|work | yip |
| 00:54 | wajasu | what is the rebuild_zebra.pl every 5 minues(via cron) for then? |
| 00:55 | braedon|work | when you change things in Koha, they are pushed onto the queue, and the zebraqueue daemon handles them, as far as i am aware |
| 00:55 | ... good point | |
| 00:57 | wajasu | hurray! the items show. 16000 biblios, biblioitems, and items |
| 00:57 | now let me search | |
| 00:57 | braedon|work | that cron job is set to -z, which is "process zebra queue" if i remember correctly |
| 00:57 | perhaps zebra queue recieves the tasks from Koha, and the cron job actually processes them? | |
| 00:58 | not sure | |
| 00:58 | wajasu | ahh |
| 00:59 | ok. the items show. good. | |
| 00:59 | wizzyrea | braedon is correct: -z only does stuff that is waiting, instead of processing everything |
| 00:59 | a full reindex takes a long time | |
| 00:59 | braedon|work | then again, whenever i have added single books via Koha, they have shown up immediately in searches, without time for the cron job to run... |
| 00:59 | unless i have been repeatedly extremely luck with timing? | |
| 01:00 | wajasu | i'm doing a fast index now |
| 01:02 | my search isn't working | |
| 01:02 | i haven't run zebraqueue yet | |
| 01:03 | richard | any danger to koha from upgrading from debian etch to lenny? |
| 01:04 | wajasu | i also get these after doing the fast search ( perl -I /usr/share/koha/lib /usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -v -b -w) as koha --> "[fatal] Node node_zebra missing", "[warn] Cannot obtain EXPLAIN information", "[fatal] zebra_begin_trans: cannot open register" |
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| 01:13 | braedon|work | wajasu: I would suggest getting the zebra and zebraqueue daemons running and then trying again |
| 01:13 | i'm not sure of the exactly how they are used, but that is the only thing i can see as different to mine | |
| 01:14 | you can just start them from command line if you don't want to set them up permanently yet | |
| 01:14 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]exing_using_zebra | |
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| 01:20 | wajasu | i am trying to start the zebraqueue.pl fromthe command line. the zebrasrv is running fine so far. |
| 01:20 | zebraqueue.pl complains about not finding Unix/Syslog.pm | |
| 01:21 | I'll work on getting that cpan module | |
| 01:22 | braedon|work | hmm, weird. what OS are you on? |
| 01:23 | wajasu | ok zebraqueue is running. |
| 01:24 | mysqld is showing 4% cpu, maybe something is going on. | |
| 01:27 | nothing. no searches working yet. maybe that [fatal] error about "Node node zebra missing" when i rebuild an index. | |
| 01:28 | i get ERROR 109 in the zerbasrv output | |
| 01:28 | let me try a rebuild_zebra.pl | |
| 01:30 | braedon|work | chuck in a -r to rebuild from scratch |
| 01:30 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]9-May/018314.html <- that is the only reference i can find to the error you are getting - unfortunately not answered by anyone | |
| 01:31 | (i think it is -r - probably shuld check htat..) | |
| 01:32 | wajasu | ok, i did rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r and its doing something, because it didn't return back yet |
| 01:32 | cpu is pegged at 94% | |
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| 01:33 | braedon|work | that looks better :p |
| 01:33 | unless the error is only happening at the end | |
| 01:33 | in which case it is just redoing all the ones before the error is hit | |
| 01:37 | wajasu | i got --> from the rebuild output zebraidx(22292) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit |
| 01:38 | braedon|work | hmm, weird |
| 01:38 | wajasu | when i search i get --> zebrasrv(13) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @attr "1=Personal-name" "bridges, charles" |
| 01:39 | braedon|work | perhaps you have something in one of your marc files that Zebra doesn't like? |
| 01:39 | wajasu | let me revert and import a few |
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| 01:43 | masonj | wajasu: 'zebraidx(22292) [warn] previous transaction didn't reach commit' is a *FAILED* zebra rebuild.. |
| 01:43 | im pretty sure.. | |
| 01:44 | wajasu | i had dumped the records from librarymanager (DOS based). Then wrote a program to read them, converting to utf8, search z3950 servers by isbn, then author and title, then add my call number to 090ab, add a 952 item, and write the marc records. |
| 01:44 | masonj | which also means your zebradb data-files should be around 0-bytes too |
| 01:44 | nice work ;) | |
| 01:45 | wajasu | i'll look at the zebradb (/var...?) |
| 01:45 | masonj | so your rebuild_zebra.pl isnt succeeding, i think |
| 01:46 | have u had it built/indexed successfully before? | |
| 01:46 | or is this a 1st time? | |
| 01:47 | ahh, reading your previous messages, i see this... | |
| 01:47 | 'fatal] error about "Node node zebra missing"' | |
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| 01:48 | masonj | ah, i read more! :) |
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| 01:50 | masonj | if youve never indexed a zebradb yet, you need to start with a test system that has CLEAN AND SANE bibs ;) |
| 01:51 | wajasu | nothing in /var/lib/koha/zebradb/biblios/{register,key,shadow,tmp} but README files. |
| 01:51 | all the directories are owned by koha | |
| 01:51 | masonj | what bibs are you using ? |
| 01:52 | and do you bibs have correct data in their 'biblioitems.marcxml' field? | |
| 01:53 | if they are missing that field... then the zebra-build wont start | |
| 01:53 | so... | |
| 01:53 | wajasu | i reverted my import so no records exist. now I'll try a rebuild |
| 01:53 | masonj | a few things to check before the zeb-build is gonna fly |
| 01:54 | wajasu | ok |
| 01:54 | masonj | a rebuild wont work , without any bibs |
| 01:54 | but you knew that , i guess :) | |
| 01:54 | easiest way to do is... | |
| 01:54 | wajasu | ok, I'll add a couple that I exported from a prior koha |
| 01:54 | is? | |
| 01:55 | add my own? | |
| 01:55 | by hand? | |
| 01:55 | masonj | $ bulkmarcimport --file ./my-bibs.mrc |
| 01:55 | bibs , bibitems, items tables populated. then.... | |
| 01:55 | $ rebuild_zebra -r -b -v 1 | |
| 01:56 | then sucess. | |
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| 01:56 | wajasu | i had 16000 biblios, biblioitems, items, and my items where showing up fine. |
| 01:56 | masonj | make sure to set your KOHA_CONF, and PERL5LIB env-vars etc.. |
| 01:56 | cool | |
| 01:57 | your biblioitems.marcxml have vailid xml in them? | |
| 01:57 | wajasu | then I tried the rebuild -r -b with those ENV vars set just as cron would like, but thats when I got that error. |
| 01:57 | i had loaded them into marcedit and ran the validator, and there were lots of errors. | |
| 01:58 | masonj | i have never used marcedit, so i dunno if thats common... |
| 01:58 | wajasu | many isbns were not split into $a $c and had '(pbk.)' and so on. |
| 01:58 | masonj | marcdump ./bibs.mrc |
| 01:59 | is a good way to check them | |
| 01:59 | or marclint... | |
| 01:59 | $ marclint ./bibs.mrc | |
| 01:59 | etc... | |
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| 02:00 | wajasu | ok. i'll try marcdump |
| 02:00 | masonj | if your marc files are glitchy for starters, then nothing is gonna work |
| 02:01 | wajasu | i'm gonna have to take a break and eat. but you may know an answer to another question. |
| 02:02 | masonj | start by importing *1* record, even ;) |
| 02:02 | wajasu | if i select the auto barcode generation in the admin prefs, should I have barcodes after a staged style import? or did I need to run a script to fill them in. or have them in my marc records beforehand? |
| 02:03 | ok let me try one record | |
| 02:04 | masonj | pass.. it really depends on how they were created/added |
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| 02:05 | masonj | but if they were added correctly, then yes - barcodes will be created after AddItem() sub, i think |
| 02:06 | wajasu | ok. i imported 400 records i had lying around, and then rebuilt (success!) and the search worked. |
| 02:07 | i will have to divide and conquer the 16000 batch | |
| 02:08 | masonj | congrats! :) |
| 02:09 | wajasu | thanks! |
| 02:10 | do you know what authorites records are? and whether I need to get them? and how to get them? | |
| 02:15 | ok break time for me. | |
| 02:17 | chris_n | g'evening |
| 02:22 | braedon|work | ahoy chris_n |
| 02:27 | wajasu: as i understand them(not well) authority records provide standard (authoritative) versions of names/titles/etc | |
| 02:28 | you can link a field to one when cataloging | |
| 02:28 | if you change a authority record, any fields linked to it will also change in sync | |
| 02:30 | and you can do things like show all biblios linked to a specific authority record, for example the authoritative name of an author. Thus, instead of searching for the author, and getting all books by people with similar names to the author, you only get books actually written by that specific author, assuming your authorities are set up correctly | |
| 02:31 | exactly how you implement authority records, i am not entirely sure | |
| 02:31 | apparently they are usually imported from a marc file provides by some authority(surprisingly) | |
| 02:32 | whether you can automate the process of linking existing biblio fields to these authorities, or if you have to go through each biblio in your catalogue and do it manually, i am not sure. | |
| 02:51 | wajasu | thanks for the background. So once I get things going, I may have to work on that. |
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| 03:23 | Amit | hi all |
| 03:23 | heya brendan, chris | |
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| 03:33 | chris_n | heya Amit |
| 03:36 | Amit | heya chris_n |
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| 04:03 | brendan | heya amit |
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| 04:15 | brendan | @wunder asheville, nc |
| 04:15 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.3�C (11:15 PM EST on February 23, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 88%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Falling). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 PM EST Wednesday... |
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| 06:45 | htaccess | chris: got everything setup at home now too, can pull from you (upstream) and my github (origin) |
| 06:46 | chris | awesome |
| 06:46 | cooking with gas | |
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| 06:59 | nicomo | morning #koha |
| 07:03 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 07:04 | chris | hi nicomo and Ropuch |
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| 07:05 | nicomo | evening chris |
| 07:09 | Amit_laptop | heya nicomo, Ropuch |
| 07:09 | nicomo | hi Amit_laptop |
| 07:10 | Ropuch | Hi chris, nicomo, Amit_laptop ;> |
| 07:10 | nicomo | hi Ropuch |
| 07:10 | ok let's call it a draw | |
| 07:10 | :-) | |
| 07:17 | Ropuch | [; |
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| 08:21 | Ropuch | Can anybody take a look at http://bagno.be/rcv_error.png |
| 08:23 | I have trouble receiving some items | |
| 08:24 | chris | that looks like a bug |
| 08:25 | * chris | takes a look at the code |
| 08:27 | Ropuch | I've examined the "receive" link from the working "receiveable" item and one of those - they are the same (with different &receive= and &biblionumber) |
| 08:29 | chris | i see 2 bugfixes for orderreceive.pl since 3.0.5 |
| 08:30 | hmm or maybe not, looking more | |
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| 08:31 | chris | ah yep, its because it is missing the ordernumber |
| 08:31 | which means it cant find the bookseller | |
| 08:31 | so this line | |
| 08:32 | name => $bookseller->{'name'}, | |
| 08:32 | blows up | |
| 08:33 | does the receive link have a supplierid parameter in the url? | |
| 08:33 | Ropuch | Yes |
| 08:34 | chris | interesting |
| 08:35 | Ropuch | One sec, I'll find 'working' item and pastebin good & bad links |
| 08:35 | chris | on line 191 could you put |
| 08:36 | die $bookseller; | |
| 08:36 | to test my theory | |
| 08:36 | paul_p: are you about? | |
| 08:36 | paul_p | hi chris, yes i'm here |
| 08:37 | chris | you've heard of neemia tialata? |
| 08:37 | paul_p | ??? (nope) |
| 08:37 | chris | (all black prop) |
| 08:37 | number 3 | |
| 08:37 | plays for wellington too | |
| 08:37 | paul_p | no, I didn't. why ? |
| 08:38 | chris | he is buying coffee for people tomorrow :) |
| 08:38 | Ok (wellington) "Twitter Fam" who is down for lunch at @laffare tomorrow? come along my shout! http://twtvite.com/scb3wv re-tweet pls | |
| 08:39 | Ropuch | chris: with die $bookseller; in 191 I get Error 500 |
| 08:39 | But I'm not sure if my 191 is your 191 - I haven't patched 3.00.05 | |
| 08:40 | chris | yep, you can check the apache error log now |
| 08:40 | and htere it should have the value of bookseller | |
| 08:42 | paul_p: its not everyday an allblack buys lunch for people :) | |
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| 08:45 | Ropuch | HASH(0x3c5bcc0), referer: http://195.254.156.179:8080/cg[…]ed=02%2F24%2F2010 |
| 08:45 | Premature end of script headers: orderreceive.pl, referer: http://195.254.156.179:8080/cg[…]ed=02%2F24%2F2010 | |
| 08:45 | Date is in weird format in log, in link it;s 2010-02-24 | |
| 08:46 | chris | right so my theory is wrong, bookseller looks fine |
| 08:46 | (it should be a HASH) | |
| 08:49 | can you paste what is on your line 192? | |
| 08:50 | Ropuch | sure |
| 08:51 | $template->param( | |
| 08:51 | Hm | |
| 08:52 | datereceived => $datereceived->output(), | |
| 08:52 | datereceived_iso => $datereceived->output('iso'), | |
| 08:52 | It's ok that datereived is empty? | |
| 08:53 | chris | ahhh that will be the issue |
| 08:55 | that looks like us format date in the link ... which i suspect yuo dont use in poland? | |
| 08:55 | Ropuch | Nope |
| 08:58 | Hm, actually I can use us or iso date format, it's fine by me | |
| 08:58 | chris | what is your syspref set to? |
| 09:00 | Ropuch | I was set to us |
| 09:00 | I've changed it to iso | |
| 09:00 | And now i have illegal date in apache log | |
| 09:01 | But it's weird that some of items from same basket work, and some don't | |
| 09:02 | chris | yeah that is weird, it must be something that happened when they were ordered |
| 09:03 | if you modify one (dont change anything just choose modify and then save it) | |
| 09:03 | does that now make it work when you receive? | |
| 09:07 | Ropuch | No - I've ordered them at the same time |
| 09:09 | chris | stranger and stranger |
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| 10:40 | tekonivel | magnus: hi |
| 10:40 | magnus | hiya tekonivel |
| 10:40 | tekonivel | magnus: yesterday you mentioned that norwegians are thinking of something like ÖB |
| 10:41 | magnus: i'm weeding my emails, and ve've had discussion of ÖB, or that we should have a shared, centralized "honeypot" of UGC too | |
| 10:42 | magnus: so my question is, have there been discussion about joihing the swedes, or setting up your own honeypot in norway? | |
| 10:43 | we've not decided... but things tend to happen /sloooooow/, so personally i'd prefer joining someone and then maybe forking out later if need be | |
| 10:43 | magnus | tekonivel: we have talked about getting the code and setting up our own installation - to play with it a bit and think about what we need and want and can do |
| 10:43 | tekonivel | some nordic cooperation here? |
| 10:43 | :) | |
| 10:44 | magnus: so the code is ready for production? | |
| 10:44 | * tekonivel | haven't looked at it in a while |
| 10:44 | magnus | we are also thinking about nordic cooperation - some kind of meta-service to aggregate stuff |
| 10:44 | tekonivel | magnus: yea |
| 10:44 | magnus | i don't think they have released the code, but we have been in contact with them a bit and they have said we can have it |
| 10:45 | tekonivel | magnus: it's easier for you with a shared language, but we've got ppl here with swedish as the first language too |
| 10:45 | magnus: that's good to hear | |
| 10:45 | magnus | yeah, the language-stuff is interesting! ;-) |
| 10:45 | tekonivel | i wonder what the danes are up to |
| 10:45 | magnus | lots, probably |
| 10:45 | tekonivel | magnus: lol propably :) |
| 10:45 | esp. in Århus | |
| 10:46 | magnus | by the way: "we" are the norwegian library laboratory: http://www.biblab.no/ |
| 10:46 | tekonivel | magnus: ours is http://labs.kirjastot.fi :) |
| 10:47 | magnus | cool |
| 10:47 | i hadn't seen that | |
| 10:49 | * tekonivel | adds biblab to rss aggregator |
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| 11:11 | bigbrovar | Hey guys I have a friend who is a librarian and she wants to do her masters in IT but I advised her to do something related to IT and library. Does anyone have tip on a masters course of certification in a related field? |
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| 11:26 | fallor | Hello again guys |
| 11:27 | What do you make of this: http://koha.kepa.fi/ | |
| 11:27 | the database seems to be messed up pretty bad | |
| 11:28 | gmcharlt | fallor: at a guess, mysqld is not running at all |
| 11:28 | fallor | that much i figured, so i went ahead and checked that |
| 11:28 | i tried to restart it, but it refused to stop | |
| 11:28 | then i booted the server and now it refuses to start up | |
| 11:28 | Koha database is 1,7 MB (it was 103 MB yesterday) | |
| 11:29 | gmcharlt | just 2% of its former size? ouch |
| 11:29 | fallor | yep |
| 11:30 | i have a recent dump so that's not a problem | |
| 11:30 | but how am i supposed to feed the data back in if the damn thing won't start | |
| 11:32 | gmcharlt | what error messages is it giving you? |
| 11:33 | fallor | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) |
| 11:34 | gmcharlt | anything in /var/log/mysql.log or /var/log/mysql.err ? |
| 11:34 | fallor | the server hasn't actually completed the bootup procedure (rc.M is still running) because the MySQL server is acting up |
| 11:35 | nope, nothing | |
| 11:36 | whoops | |
| 11:36 | i think i found the problem | |
| 11:36 | this is what df says: | |
| 11:36 | /dev/hda1 20G 19G 0 100% / | |
| 11:36 | so 0 bytes of free space on disk | |
| 11:36 | gmcharlt | that would do it :) |
| 11:37 | fallor | for sure :D |
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| 11:37 | fallor | now unfortunately the guy that takes care of this server is out on a holiday until 1.3. |
| 11:37 | Genji | hey all. how do i step through values in a field, in a marc::record? |
| 11:38 | gmcharlt | Genji: MARC::Field->subfields() returns an array of subfields |
| 11:42 | chris_n | g'morning |
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| 11:47 | gmcharlt | hi nelsonf |
| 11:51 | fallor | hmm... there are a lot of mysql-bin.0000nn files under /var/lib/mysql |
| 11:51 | they seem to be eating up the diskspace | |
| 11:51 | is is dafe to remove them? | |
| 11:51 | safe even | |
| 12:03 | chris_n | bbl |
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| 12:15 | gmcharlt | fallor: they're MySQL binary logs - it's safe to remove them or move them onto another filesystem |
| 12:16 | if you're planning to restore from your dump | |
| 12:16 | they're used for replication and data recovery | |
| 12:21 | Genji | so, i just do foreach my $item (@$tag->subfields()) { print $item)? |
| 12:23 | foreach my $item (@{$tag->subfields()}) { print $item) | |
| 12:24 | ? | |
| 12:33 | fallor | gmcharlt: thanks, that's what I did :) |
| 12:33 | gmcharlt: I also switched of binary logging from my.cnf | |
| 12:33 | +f | |
| 12:34 | gmcharlt | Genji: just about - each subfield entry return is a two-element arrayref |
| 12:34 | first elment of which is the subfield code, the second is the subfield value | |
| 12:34 | Genji | so... $ele->{value}/ |
| 12:34 | ? | |
| 12:35 | wait.. arrayref.. so.. $ele[1]? | |
| 12:36 | eh.. that didn't work. | |
| 12:36 | oh.. duh... | |
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| 12:38 | Genji | oh nevermind. |
| 12:38 | didn't work it out yet. | |
| 12:40 | foreach my $element ($tag->subfields()){ | |
| 12:40 | foreach my $ele (@$element){print "$ele\n"; | |
| 12:40 | } | |
| 12:40 | } | |
| 12:40 | }} | |
| 12:41 | so far, i get both the subfield key, and value.. | |
| 12:41 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 12:41 | Genji | $ele[1] doesnt work. |
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| 12:49 | jdavidb | Mornin'. Harrrrumph! |
| 12:50 | jwagner | I have a monopoly on the harrumphing this morning.... |
| 12:50 | gmcharlt | so early? |
| 12:50 | * jdavidb | did *not* wanna get out of bed this morning. Arthritis is kicking up a little; staying *still* feels much better. |
| 12:53 | Genji | any idea,gmcharlt? |
| 12:54 | gmcharlt | $element->[0] contains the subfield code, $element->[1] the value |
| 12:54 | i.e., in your loop, $element is the array ref for each subfield | |
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| 12:55 | gmcharlt | i.e., ($subf_label, $subf_value) = @{ $element }; |
| 12:55 | Genji | ah |
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| 13:46 | owen | Hi randyc |
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| 13:53 | jdavidb | Hi, Colin! |
| 13:55 | owen | Another tweet about our catalog. I just don't get it. http://twitter.com/ExtremeSurv[…]atuses/9568844062 |
| 13:55 | nengard | owen is it possible he lives in your area and did a search he thought had good results? |
| 13:55 | * nengard | thinking positively |
| 13:56 | owen | This is the third one I've seen, and each was from a different account |
| 13:56 | nengard | hmmm |
| 13:56 | it's not bad spam ... | |
| 13:56 | owen | It's just odd |
| 13:57 | nengard | bleh - weatherman just said we're getting more snow tonight into Friday!! |
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| 14:01 | owen | Hi brendan, how's code4lib going? |
| 14:01 | brendan | good so far, but there doesn't seem to be enough coffee - it always runs out quickly |
| 14:02 | been seeing some cool xml stuff | |
| 14:02 | chris_n | coffee_shortage-- |
| 14:02 | owen | Somehow that doesn't surprise me, all those caffeine-addicted geeks in one place. |
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| 14:03 | brendan | hi nelsonf |
| 14:03 | nelsonf | gooood morning brandon! another code4lib day, oh boy |
| 14:04 | how was the beer last night? Did you drink your $40 worth? | |
| 14:04 | jwagner | owen, see, that's where us tea-drinkers have the advantage. While everyone else is fighting over the coffee, we can slip in and brew our caffeine of choice :-) |
| 14:08 | brendan | I think so |
| 14:08 | but feeling great this morning - so not too much | |
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| 14:18 | tekonivel | okrap |
| 14:19 | * tekonivel | comes across translations from XSLT-files |
| 14:20 | tekonivel | these are used for string matching xpaths :( |
| 14:21 | owen | nengard: I looked at Bug 4248 yesterday and got stumped by the Perl too |
| 14:21 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4248 normal, P5, ---, gmcharlt gmail.com, NEW, Cities Town Pull Down Missing Zip |
| 14:21 | nengard | yeah - that's why i changed who it was assigned to - but it looks like someone may have figured it out - i forget who now .... |
| 14:22 | collum | It was me. |
| 14:22 | owen | Oh, great collum, I didn't see that |
| 14:23 | * owen | goes to look at the patch to see if he can learn from it |
| 14:23 | collum | i just appended the zip to the city/state string. |
| 14:23 | Colin | I think the patch should checked whether zip is defined though |
| 14:24 | collum | Zip is used in the value element |
| 14:24 | of the select statement. | |
| 14:25 | Colin | Outside the US zip is not city level so it won't be defined in many cases generating a warning |
| 14:25 | collum | Ah. I just assumed it was already checked because it was already used. |
| 14:26 | Probably a bad assumption. | |
| 14:26 | nengard | thanks collum!!! |
| 14:26 | I'm off to do day 2 of training and to sing your praises for fixing that - even if it is only partially fixed :_) | |
| 14:26 | :) | |
| 14:26 | Colin | the perennial problem of nulls |
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| 14:27 | collum | OK. Off to meeting. |
| 14:27 | a meeting rather. | |
| 14:27 | * owen | is a Perl newb so that $city{ $data->... construction was greek to me |
| 14:27 | wonders if other find that their City/State dropdown contains 2 blank lines? | |
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| 14:32 | Colin | owen: I've got two blank lines then the two cities I defined |
| 14:34 | * owen | remembers that symptom from Bug 2399 |
| 14:34 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2399 normal, P3, ---, chris.nighswongerliblime.com, REOPENED, All status fields in the item edit interface offer two blank/null entries per dropdown instead of one |
| 14:35 | Colin | If you look at it in firebug one is "" and one is " " |
| 14:36 | owen | # insert empty value to create a empty choice in cgi popup |
| 14:36 | push @id, " "; | |
| 14:41 | Colin | and later there's an unshift. I think the routine is asking to be tidied up |
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| 14:44 | wizzyrea_ | owen: that is an extremely interesting use of the library catalog, if it's legit |
| 14:45 | i mean, look at the account: http://twitter.com/extremesurvival | |
| 14:45 | he's got 2900 followers | |
| 14:46 | and your catalog was one of the resources he linked to, pretty good promotion for your library | |
| 14:46 | owen | wizzyrea_: I think it's a spam robot of some kind, but I can't figure out the angle. |
| 14:47 | Like maybe each tweet is a Google result for "wilderness survival" or something | |
| 14:47 | wizzyrea_ | dunno, he linked to a subject search of survival |
| 14:47 | the company looks kind of legit to me | |
| 14:47 | owen | Except no contact info, no information about where the company is located |
| 14:48 | Only an email link | |
| 14:48 | No classes listed on the calendar | |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea_ | yea, but it could be a very small company |
| 14:49 | with bad design skills >.> | |
| 14:49 | i dunno, it could be automatic, but I still think it's an interesting use of a library catalog | |
| 14:50 | owen | Yeah I don't think it does us any harm, I'm just curious about it. I've got a Google alert set up for results that include "Athens County Public Libraries" so it caught my eye |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea_ | it was sent from a twitter client called twitterfeed: http://twitterfeed.com/ |
| 14:52 | so yea, it's automated somehow | |
| 14:52 | maybe his facebook? | |
| 14:53 | owen | Oh nice, my Google alert for "nelsonville public library" was returning no results because I misspelled "library" :P |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 14:53 | gmcharlt | come joins us at the libary |
| 14:53 | :) | |
| 14:55 | owen | Serves me right, I was just grouching about the misspellings in a recent email to parents from my daughter's school principal |
| 14:55 | spelling karma | |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 14:55 | owen | Does chris's IRC stats page grade us on spelling? |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea_ | oi I hope not |
| 14:56 | magnus | @karma spelling |
| 14:56 | munin | magnus: spelling has neutral karma. |
| 14:56 | magnus | ;-) |
| 14:58 | owen | @karma karma |
| 14:58 | munin | owen: Highest karma: "chris" (108), "gmcharlt" (108), and "owen" (87). Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21). You (owen) are ranked 3 out of 719. |
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| 14:59 | gmcharlt | chris++ # just because |
| 14:59 | owen | karma++ |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | spelling++ # honoured more in the breach, perhaps :) |
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| 15:00 | jdavidb | @karma |
| 15:00 | munin | jdavidb: Highest karma: "chris" (109), "gmcharlt" (108), and "owen" (87). Lowest karma: "<!" (-43), "failed" (-26), and "-" (-21). You (jdavidb) are ranked 18 out of 721. |
| 15:01 | owen | <!++ # for consistently and reliably beginning HTML comments |
| 15:01 | wizzyrea_ | hehe |
| 15:02 | jdavidb | @karma wizzyrea |
| 15:02 | munin | jdavidb: Karma for "wizzyrea" has been increased 56 times and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 56. |
| 15:02 | gmcharlt | -++ # math just wouldn't be any fun without it |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea_ | oh no a karma party |
| 15:02 | * jdavidb | thinks someone oughta hide the sugar and caffeine... |
| 15:02 | owen | wizzyrea++ # for her holds bug detective work |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea_ | @karma - |
| 15:02 | munin | wizzyrea_: Karma for "-" has been increased 1 time and decreased 21 times for a total karma of -20. |
| 15:03 | wizzyrea_ | well I'm not sure I've found it, but I'm a lot closer |
| 15:03 | but thanks all the same | |
| 15:03 | :) | |
| 15:03 | owen++ # for the super slick intranet interface | |
| 15:04 | owen | Made with real butter |
| 15:04 | wizzyrea_ | mmmm... buttery |
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| 15:18 | owen | The vacuum of space was so cold... |
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| 15:18 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 15:18 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -18.6�C (9:16 AM CST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: -22.0�C. Windchill: -27.0�C. Pressure: 30.22 in 1023.2 hPa (Rising). |
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| 15:18 | moodaepo | owen: it's nearly that cold here |
| 15:19 | brendan | wow moodaepo. that's insane |
| 15:19 | jwagner | @wunder Bethesda, MD |
| 15:19 | munin | jwagner: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 5.8�C (10:19 AM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 6.0�C. Pressure: 29.87 in 1011.4 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through late Thursday night... |
| 15:19 | brendan | small kids will freeze solid if they stood still outside in the temp for too long |
| 15:20 | moodaepo | brendan: it sounds a lot better in fahrenheit, how was the beer-cruise? |
| 15:20 | brendan | my wife from cambridge, minn... told me that they canceled school sometimes because it got too cold |
| 15:21 | moodaepo | hah I'm not surprised, but not that cold yet |
| 15:21 | brendan | beer- cruise was good.. got a good tour of brewery and had some good beers |
| 15:21 | owen | They do that here too, but I'll bet MN has stricter standards ;) |
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| 15:22 | brendan | one of the top beers was a gaelic ale from highland breweries |
| 15:22 | a little bit sweet (but a good session beer) | |
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| 15:23 | Kuna | Is this an america chatbox? :) |
| 15:24 | brendan | it's global |
| 15:24 | jwagner | Kuna, not even close |
| 15:24 | brendan | just america's the most awake at the moment |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | the americans happen to... what he said |
| 15:24 | jwagner | For certain values of "awake" |
| 15:25 | Kuna | haha :) |
| 15:25 | * owen | grumbles "speak for yourself brendan" |
| 15:25 | brendan | some more so than others |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | "the most awake" not "awake" ;) |
| 15:25 | * wizzyrea | is awake |
| 15:25 | * brendan | 's very awake |
| 15:25 | Kuna | Yea because it looks pretty quiet in here |
| 15:25 | wizzyrea | ok, now the word awake looks weird to me |
| 15:25 | well we just got back from a brief interruption in service to the channel :P | |
| 15:26 | Kuna | It's cool that it's a browser chatbox, and yea not everybody is awake. :) |
| 15:26 | So Where you from Wizzyrea? | |
| 15:26 | wizzyrea | US - Kansas |
| 15:27 | owen | Kuna did you come to talk about Koha? |
| 15:27 | magnus | europe, on the other hand, is getting ready for dinner... |
| 15:27 | Kuna | No , what is koha actually? |
| 15:27 | Yea it's near 5 pm over here. | |
| 15:27 | owen | Kuna I think this isn't the place you want to be. We're here to talk about software development |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | Koha is an open source library automation system |
| 15:27 | Kuna | magnus, you seem to be european too? |
| 15:27 | o ok :) | |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | www.koha-community.org |
| 15:28 | Kuna | i'll check it out :) in wich kind of domain are you develloping. Sound, 3D, ERP, or operating systems? |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | speaking of koha-community... I'm still a bit fuddled by this problem with docbook2html |
| 15:28 | Library Automation Systems/Web Application, among other things | |
| 15:29 | Kuna | nice. So it's the language that should run a whole range of websites, right? |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | erm, well: http://koha-community.org/about/ |
| 15:30 | Kuna | ok checkin |
| 15:31 | wizzyrea | it's the system that enables automated tracking of library materials (library, as in, the large (sometimes) civic buildings filled with items circulated (sometimes) free to anyone) |
| 15:32 | Kuna | this would be great to manage a biotonic library :) |
| 15:32 | Because the classes would devellop a tree and would gradually contain all the plant information | |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | It could probably do that, but not all too particularly gracefully |
| 15:34 | it's really more for library metadata/tracking | |
| 15:34 | Kuna | ok a little bit like a search engine would use |
| 15:36 | ok i'm gone. See you guy's around. Have fun.. | |
| 15:36 | wizzyrea | thanks we always do :) |
| 15:36 | Kuna | great |
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| 15:36 | owen | Good like finding your america chatbox! |
| 15:37 | Are we the first result for "chat" on Google or something? | |
| 15:37 | wizzyrea | man I have no idea |
| 15:39 | * wizzyrea | envisions the physical space of #koha as a dimly lit room with lots of squishy things to sit on, endless coffee, and a floor covered with power outlets |
| 15:39 | owen | Bug 4250 |
| 15:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4250 normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, cart missing print button |
| 15:39 | magnus | hehe - talking of which: looks like koha-community.org is now hit number 12 on google when you search for "koha"... |
| 15:39 | wizzyrea | NIC |
| 15:39 | NICE | |
| 15:39 | will have to keep on that | |
| 15:40 | owen | Cart missing print button because owen added "display:none" to cart link for some reason. |
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| 15:40 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 15:40 | schuster | heo... |
| 15:40 | * owen | wonders what owen was thinking on 2009-12-31 12:45:54 |
| 15:40 | brendan | hi schuster |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 15:40 | never SU after 2 :P | |
| 15:40 | schuster | well should we go check the logs! |
| 15:40 | gmcharlt` | cool |
| 15:41 | jwagner | Hi, schuster, did you get much snow this time around? |
| 15:41 | schuster | NONE! All SOUTH of Dallas - which is really funny - one would think the NORTH would get it... |
| 15:42 | wizzyrea | "That print button is UGLY! No one will miss it..." |
| 15:42 | <zaps it> | |
| 15:42 | ;) | |
| 15:42 | jwagner | Latest forecast here is that we're going to be on the southern fringes of this one. People further up the coast and inland are going to get it worse. |
| 15:43 | wizzyrea, I can think of lots of things where that logic could be applied :-) | |
| 15:43 | Starting with those item-type icons.... | |
| 15:43 | schuster | So I have an sql question - I need to find all of the "first available" type holds... I was looking at the reserves table but can't figure where that is indicated? |
| 15:44 | owen | schuster: Meaning all holds which are on "next available" rather than for a specific copy? |
| 15:44 | schuster | So if itemnumber is blank does that mean it is next available? yes owen |
| 15:45 | owen | An itemnumber will be present for item-level holds and for non-item-level holds which have had an item allocated for them. |
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| 15:46 | schuster | ok - for now until we can get local (school only holds) implemented I need to change these to specific copies. I was able to "adjust" the tmpl to remove the next Available option forcing them to a specific copy. |
| 15:48 | Most schools only have one copy except for the current award books - but still... | |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | you could probably suppress the next avail option with jquery too |
| 15:50 | jwagner | schuster, does changing the circ rule setting on holds to "from home library only" limit the holds the way you want? |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | I don't think he has that code yet :( |
| 15:50 | jwagner | Ooops. |
| 15:51 | schuster | :( |
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| 15:52 | schuster | wizzyrea do you have that code? what version are you on? |
| 15:52 | gmcharlt` | sekjal is presenting now |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | WOOO Sekjal! |
| 15:52 | yea, NEKLS sponsored that | |
| 15:53 | schuster | I have something that says item type and hold policy but I wasn't able to figure out how it works. |
| 15:55 | brendan | sekjal's presentation is going great so far |
| 15:55 | getting some laughs | |
| 15:55 | sekjal++ | |
| 15:56 | owen | What's the topic? |
| 15:56 | nelsonf_ | migrating from millennium to koha |
| 15:56 | brendan | migration from iii to koha |
| 15:57 | had the best slide ever - titled when titans clash | |
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| 16:00 | wizzyrea | hahah |
| 16:00 | oh, schuster, maybe you do have it | |
| 16:00 | it's kind of twitchy, you have to have the rules configured just so | |
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| 16:00 | wizzyrea | let me send you a screencap of how we do local holds in our catalog |
| 16:00 | schuster: http://screencast.com/t/NzQyYzczOT | |
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| 16:00 | brendan | with a picture of two kittens fighting with a bomb going off in the background |
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| 16:02 | janewagner | What's happening with the IRC today? Just got bounced for the 3rd time. |
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| 16:08 | schuster | wizzyrea - so what do you have on the "default" location level? |
| 16:08 | I tried to limit all locations itemtype to Book - local only - but that didn't take. | |
| 16:08 | sorry "from home library" | |
| 16:10 | gmcharlt` | sekjal++ |
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| 16:10 | schuster | sekjal++ there will be lots of people interested in those slides... |
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| 16:14 | jwagner | All these identity crises this morning.... |
| 16:19 | jdavidb_ is now known as jdavidb | |
| 16:32 | wizzyrea | here's the default level http://screencast.com/t/MzNhZWE3M |
| 16:34 | sorry, was afk | |
| 16:34 | schuster | |
| 16:41 | schuster | wizzyrea - so does that limit both in staff and pac or?? |
| 16:41 | wizzyrea | yes, the local hold rules, as I understand it, use the patron's home library setting to determine eligibility for holds |
| 16:42 | gmcharlt would know definitively | |
| 16:42 | and that applies in both pac and intranet | |
| 16:43 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: correct |
| 16:44 | wizzyrea | owen: lol |
| 16:44 | owen | You too wizzyrea! |
| 16:45 | wizzyrea | i'm still giggling |
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| 17:05 | CGI757 | hey any one with tools to trade |
| 17:06 | owen | CGI757: Yeah, I've got an old hammer. What'll you give me for it? |
| 17:07 | CGI757 | lol |
| 17:07 | just wanna know if there is anyone here lol | |
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| 17:10 | nengard | anyone know what's up with the kohacon site? |
| 17:10 | http://kohacon.appspot.com/ | |
| 17:10 | * wizzyrea | is not it |
| 17:10 | owen | nengard: It was working early this morning |
| 17:10 | earlier, that is | |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | google has been funny all day |
| 17:10 | nengard | hmm |
| 17:11 | * owen | didn't wake up first thing to check it |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | i wonder if translate.koha.org is broken too |
| 17:11 | sho nuff | |
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| 17:11 | wizzyrea | I thought that error looked familiar |
| 17:11 | they must be on the same server >.> | |
| 17:12 | owen | Damn now I've got this hammer I still need to get rid of. |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | aw |
| 17:12 | oh there it is | |
| 17:12 | I think there might be something funky with the trans-ocean interweb link | |
| 17:12 | today | |
| 17:13 | * wizzyrea | doesn't like hoity toity technical talk |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | wait, that's a lie |
| 17:14 | I totally dig it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vioZf4TjoUI | |
| 17:19 | rhcl | seems lots of sites are down. I can't get to tigerdirect.com, globalgoved.com, compusa.com, et al. |
| 17:19 | jdavidb | @quote add *wizzyrea doesn't like hoity toity technical talk...<wizzyrea>wait, that's a lie |
| 17:19 | munin | jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #61 added. |
| 17:20 | * jdavidb | chuckles evilly. |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | lol sigh |
| 17:21 | @quote random | |
| 17:21 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009) |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 17:21 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 17:21 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #7: "Snow_Fox: a rift opens in space the information is shuffled to dev_hyperspace rift then closes" (added by wizzyrea at 11:28 AM, June 18, 2009) |
| 17:21 | * jdavidb | pokes munin in the ribs, and calls it a dork. |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | @be |
| 17:21 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: "be" is not a valid command. |
| 17:21 | jdavidb | @quote random |
| 17:21 | munin | jdavidb: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 10:00 AM, October 07, 2009) |
| 17:21 | wizzyrea | man, you really gotta work on that |
| 17:22 | to be, or not to be, that is the question | |
| 17:22 | for some reason I never get tired of that joke w/ munin | |
| 17:22 | jdavidb | "to be, or not to be?" That is the question....that will crash a SirsiDynix Unicorn OPAC spectacularly... |
| 17:22 | jwagner | We have to work on munin's sense of humor.... |
| 17:23 | * jdavidb | would *so* hack munin to respond to "@be" with "I am, <requestor>." |
| 17:23 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 17:23 | jwagner | @do |
| 17:23 | munin | jwagner: Error: "do" is not a valid command. |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | @try |
| 17:24 | munin | wizzyrea: Error: "try" is not a valid command. |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | that's right! |
| 17:24 | do, or do not, there is no try | |
| 17:24 | jwagner | Yes, Yoda |
| 17:24 | wizzyrea | ;) |
| 17:24 | * jdavidb | chuckles |
| 17:26 | jdavidb | I used to program an LP Mud, and hacking up interactives was my favorite thing. The girls were *little* then, so I cobbled up Lindsey and Libby interactives as test exercises. |
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| 17:40 | brendan | @wunder asheville, nc |
| 17:40 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.4�C (12:40 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 80%. Dew Point: -3.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.72 in 1006.3 hPa (Falling). High wind watch in effect from Thursday afternoon through Friday afternoon... |
| 17:40 | brendan | ok gonna brave it and go out side :) |
| 17:42 | jdavidb | @wunder 20817 |
| 17:42 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in Langley Fork Park, McLean, Virginia is 7.3�C (12:42 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010.0 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from midnight EST tonight through late Thursday night... |
| 17:47 | wizzyrea | man what is with the weather this year |
| 17:49 | jdavidb | owen++ #for his truly-fun Facebook status; I needed the giggle. |
| 17:52 | nengard | @wunder 19030 |
| 17:52 | munin | nengard: The current temperature in JAT Observatory, Fairless Hills, Pennsylvania is 5.4�C (12:45 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 29.67 in 1004.6 hPa (Steady). Winter Storm Watch in effect from late tonight through Friday morning... |
| 17:52 | nengard | stupid snow! |
| 17:52 | wonder what I should have hubby pick up on the way home from work | |
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| 18:04 | jdavidb | We're expecting 4-6" here, nengard. shouldn't be bad. |
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| 18:09 | sekjal | nengard: putting my slides up on slideshare now. network is kinda slow just now, it seems |
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| 18:12 | collum | Colin++ |
| 18:12 | * collum | likes it when you guys take existing code and improve it. |
| 18:12 | collum | It helps me to learn. |
| 18:26 | * owen | is off to get his eyeballs prodded |
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| 18:30 | jdavidb | jwagner++ |
| 18:32 | jwagner | Wha' for? |
| 18:34 | jdavidb | For being jwagner, mostly. Do I need other reasons? |
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| 18:35 | jwagner | Well, that's probably a good one :-) (But you'll take it back when you see the ticket I just assigned you....) |
| 18:37 | jdavidb | Naah. I see it. |
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| 18:46 | nelsonf_ | it's been real code4lib - later alligator |
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| 18:47 | sekjal | later, nelsonf_! |
| 18:47 | brendan | bye nelsonf |
| 18:47 | make sure you stop by ever so often and say hi :) | |
| 18:47 | well on IRC of course | |
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| 19:07 | seneca | Does anyone know what table in the database a searching of the catalog draws from? |
| 19:08 | I deleted some itemless records from the biblio table, but the items' records are still showing up in searches (but then giving a 404 error when you click on them) | |
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| 19:13 | gmcharlt | seneca: are you using Zebra? |
| 19:13 | if so, you'll need to run rebuild_zebra.pl | |
| 19:13 | seneca | dunno - I'm using the prebuilt Koha vm |
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| 19:13 | seneca | slightly embarrasingly, I don't know if htat uses Zebra |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | seneca: try dropping to the command line and running rebuild_zebra.pl -b -r |
| 19:14 | also, if ps -ef | grep zebrasrv returns results, that will tell you if you're running zebra | |
| 19:14 | or check the value of the NoZebra system preference in adminsitration | |
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| 19:16 | seneca | Hmmm.. errors with the command, and can't find "NoZebra" where is it supposed to be? |
| 19:17 | ok, ps returns results, so I guess zebra is running | |
| 19:17 | I'll try to get the rebuild working | |
| 19:22 | looks like a perl INC error - can't find Context.pm | |
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| 19:35 | wizzyrea | seneca: export PERL5LIB=/path/to/your/koha/ |
| 19:35 | and | |
| 19:35 | export KOHA_CONF=/path/to/your/koha-conf.xml | |
| 19:38 | they won't probably be the same :/ | |
| 19:38 | example, mine are | |
| 19:38 | export KOHA_CONF=/home/liz/koha-dev/etc/koha-conf.xml | |
| 19:38 | export PERL5LIB=/home/liz/kohaclone/ | |
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| 19:38 | seneca | thanks, though I'm just chasing errors by this point |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | (I have to look this up almost every time) |
| 19:39 | seneca | after those two things: |
| 19:39 | Use of uninitialized value $db_driver in concatenation (.) or string at /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm line 666. Can't connect to data source 'dbname=__DB_NAME__;host=__DB_HOST__;port=__DB_PORT__' because I can't work out what driver to use (it doesn't seem to contain a 'dbi:driver:' prefix and the DBI_DRIVER env var is not set) at /etc/perl/C4/Context.pm line 666 | |
| 19:39 | wizzyrea | can't say I've seen that one before :/ |
| 19:40 | anything in the list archives? | |
| 19:40 | seneca | Errors like these make me feel like I missed something VERY important on the setup step of Koha... |
| 19:40 | but I used the VM, so someone else must have missed it... ;) | |
| 19:40 | wizzyrea | well you're using a pre configured VM... yea, that's what I was going to say ;) |
| 19:40 | seneca | buck passed. |
| 19:41 | brendan | which path did you use to set your KOHA_CONF |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | if you're down with the VM's, you could try just using Debian Lenny and doing an install from the INSTALL.debian-lenny file |
| 19:41 | seneca | for me: /home/koha/koha3.0.5/koha-3.00.05/C4/Context.pm |
| 19:41 | wizzyrea | the zebra bit is always dicey |
| 19:41 | brendan | you could have set it to the file that has sym-links in it and not the file that has that information already filled in for you |
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| 19:42 | seneca | well, I've already got a good amount of work put into this VM, so if I could fix it, that would be grand |
| 19:42 | brendan | you want to look for your koha-conf.xml file |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | so your PERL5LIB would be /home/koha/kohw3.0.5/koha-3.00.05/ |
| 19:42 | seneca | right |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | it's always the dir above |
| 19:42 | seneca | did that |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | the other thing that trips people up is not running the indexing as the right user |
| 19:43 | but in a VM, you're probably logged in as the right user | |
| 19:43 | or what brendan said | |
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| 19:45 | seneca | how would I know if my koha-conf.xml file is funky? |
| 19:47 | brendan | you probably have two copies of it |
| 19:47 | seneca | oh weird - if I "sudo export" I get an "export: command not found" |
| 19:47 | brendan | and you're just pointing to the wrong one |
| 19:48 | seneca | yeha, that was it |
| 19:48 | I pointed to the old one (before the 3.0.5 upgrade) and it appears to be working | |
| 19:48 | at least, it's not erroring yet | |
| 19:49 | brendan | heya wizzyrea for your knowledge when you see the __DB_NAME_ or similar stuff |
| 19:49 | that information is filled in during the makefile.pl (you know the install part) | |
| 19:49 | chris | morning |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | right |
| 19:49 | (mornin chris) | |
| 19:49 | braedon|work | seneca: when you upgraded, did you point the makefile to the correct install log? |
| 19:49 | richard | hey chris |
| 19:49 | brendan | so when you answer the questions on that part --> it will use that file make a new one and plug your desicions into it |
| 19:49 | hi chris | |
| 19:49 | seneca | so if you don't actually run the makefile, like how I manually upgraded this from 3.0.0, that info wouldn't be filled in? |
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| 19:50 | seneca | perhaps not |
| 19:50 | braedon|work | o, manual upgrade? fun. yip, you would be left with the template |
| 19:50 | seneca | I hada hell of a tiem upgrading the CM |
| 19:50 | wizzyrea | oh, this makes sense to me brendan |
| 19:51 | it's reporting the variables | |
| 19:51 | seneca | (should the zebra rebuild still be going?) |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | yes, probably :) |
| 19:51 | seneca | what is the official way to upgrade koha, VM or not? |
| 19:51 | thanks, wizzyrea | |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | yepper :) |
| 19:52 | seneca | I will continue to be patient... |
| 19:52 | *tapping pen* | |
| 19:52 | braedon|work | is the vm the one with a dev install? or a standard? |
| 19:52 | seneca | both, I think |
| 19:52 | in /home/koha | |
| 19:52 | braedon|work | (do you have a kohaclone and koha-dev folder in the Koha user's directory?) |
| 19:53 | that is a dev install | |
| 19:53 | seneca | there's a koha-dev dir and a kohaclone |
| 19:53 | yep | |
| 19:53 | braedon|work | you can checkout new versions from git |
| 19:53 | seneca | guess I should figure out how to use git, eh? ;) HA |
| 19:53 | it's about time, I suppose | |
| 19:54 | braedon|work | in the kohaclone folder, run git branch -a |
| 19:54 | seneca | (btw: the zebra rebuild finished and the problem results have disappeared from the searches - THANKS ALL) |
| 19:55 | braedon|work | that will show you all the branches you can check out |
| 19:55 | but if you are wanting to checkout an official release, they are tags, not branches | |
| 19:56 | seneca | tags? |
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| 19:56 | braedon|work | git tag will list the tags |
| 19:56 | basically pointers to points in development | |
| 19:56 | ie, releases in this case | |
| 19:56 | seneca | wonder if I should restore to before my "manual" upgrade to 3.0.5 to do this... |
| 19:56 | braedon|work | what you can do, is pull down the tag from git |
| 19:56 | and then run the installer again | |
| 19:57 | to get you back to a git dev install | |
| 19:57 | in the kohaclone directory, run git tag to list tags, and find the name of the one for 3.00.05 | |
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| 19:58 | seneca | I will have to go back to the original, pre-manual upgrade |
| 19:58 | git gives a fatal error in my upgraded kohaclone folder | |
| 19:58 | braedon|work | then run git pull <name of tag> |
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| 19:58 | seneca | ok - let me make a snapshot... |
| 19:58 | braedon|work | o, did you touch the kohaclone folder? |
| 19:58 | tha's bad... may have to checkout again | |
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| 19:59 | braedon|work | (sorry, using svn terminology. you may have to 'clone' again) |
| 20:00 | seneca | I renamed the old kohaclone folder |
| 20:01 | braedon|work | ok, just a sec, confirming commands |
| 20:01 | havn't done this for a while | |
| 20:01 | seneca | then made the 3.0.5 folder "kohaclone" (actually, I use a symlink) |
| 20:01 | braedon|work | prob best to start with a new kohaclone |
| 20:01 | seneca | I think I can put it back and give it a try |
| 20:01 | braedon|work | but keep the one one for config files |
| 20:02 | seneca | what do you mean by "new" kohaclone? |
| 20:02 | braedon|work | the old one* |
| 20:02 | seneca | oh, ok |
| 20:03 | braedon|work | kohaclone is a git repository pulled down from the web |
| 20:03 | seneca | snapshot's done - giving it a try |
| 20:03 | braedon|work | if you have touched it, you really need to start again |
| 20:03 | pull it down again with git clone git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git kohaclone | |
| 20:03 | but remove that symlink first | |
| 20:03 | seneca | ok |
| 20:04 | working... | |
| 20:04 | (thanks a million for the help) | |
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| 20:06 | braedon|work | once that is done, in the kohaclone directory, run git tag -l, and find the name of the 3.00.05 tag |
| 20:06 | then run git checkout <tag name> | |
| 20:06 | then git pull | |
| 20:06 | then you need to find your original install log file | |
| 20:07 | (make sure it has variables filled correctly, not filled with __SOMETHING__ ) | |
| 20:11 | then you need to run the Makefile.pl with the old log linked in (check the install docs under "upgrade" for the syntax | |
| 20:11 | then make | |
| 20:11 | make test | |
| 20:11 | if that succeeds, make upgrade | |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | braedon|work wins for best instructions of the day |
| 20:12 | seneca | indeed |
| 20:13 | chris | wizzyrea: does wordpress have a nice faq plugin? |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | There used to be one, I'd have to look |
| 20:13 | for one, but I bet there is | |
| 20:13 | lots of people do that with PS | |
| 20:13 | WP* | |
| 20:13 | chris | might be nice to add one to the site |
| 20:13 | wizzyrea | ps? where did I come up with that typo |
| 20:13 | agreed | |
| 20:13 | chris | and make braedon|work type in what he just typed ;-) |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | oh no kidding |
| 20:14 | actually. I will do that right after I finish with this thing I'm working on now | |
| 20:14 | chris | awesome! |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | because, yes, that is important |
| 20:14 | lol | |
| 20:14 | cait | pootle does not like me working on translation... Error accessing /home/chris/src/Pootle-2.0.0/po/intranet3_1/de/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3002000.po.pending, Filesystem sent error: Too many open files |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea | we need that, desperately |
| 20:14 | chris | try again cait |
| 20:14 | braedon|work | haha, make sure it is correct first! I did this like a month ago |
| 20:15 | cait | An error has occurred. Thank you for your patience. unable to open database file hmmm |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | the faq ;) You can type it in :P |
| 20:15 | cait | its polite g |
| 20:15 | Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. | |
| 20:15 | hmm | |
| 20:15 | chris | yep im just restarting it |
| 20:15 | cait | its getting worse with every F5 g |
| 20:16 | ah :) | |
| 20:17 | thx chris! | |
| 20:18 | chris | no worries |
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| 20:18 | chris | hiya IrmaCalyx |
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| 20:20 | ccurry | Hello all. I'm trying to upgrade from 3.00.04.019 to 3.00.05.001, using git. |
| 20:20 | seneca | HA! You should have been here 10 mins ago, ccurry! |
| 20:21 | ccurry | should I check the logs then? |
| 20:21 | chris | yep |
| 20:21 | ccurry | ok...I'll take a look. Thanks |
| 20:21 | seneca | braedon|work just outlined it |
| 20:21 | following his steps myself right now | |
| 20:22 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-02-24#i_399973 starts about there |
| 20:23 | braedon|work | well, actually, does anyone know if a upgrade make run is ever necessary when upgrading in git? |
| 20:23 | chris | no, not usually |
| 20:23 | if you did a dev install you dont need to | |
| 20:23 | seneca | braedon|work: I'm hung on the git pull stage |
| 20:24 | chris | you just rebase your repo to the level you want |
| 20:24 | and then the web based upgrader kicks in | |
| 20:24 | seneca | "git pull" gets me You asked me to pull without telling me which branch you want to merge with, and 'branch..merge' in your configuration file does not tell me either. Please name which branch you want to merge on the command line and try again (e.g. 'git pull <repository> <refspec>'). |
| 20:25 | braedon|work | ccurry: if you have a "clean" dev git install, then you just need to run the checkout and pull lines. unless you have changed anything from the 3.00.04 tag, in which case you need a rebase(some correct me if i am wrong here) |
| 20:25 | seneca: ahh, that's right | |
| 20:25 | chris | no changes pull is ok, changes yes rebase is safer |
| 20:26 | braedon|work | just a sec, there was something different about pulling tags |
| 20:26 | i got around it somehow... | |
| 20:26 | * braedon|work | curses his hopeless memory |
| 20:27 | chris | git pull origin tagname |
| 20:27 | i think | |
| 20:28 | seneca | git pull origin v3.00.05: fatal: Couldn't find remote ref v3.00.05 |
| 20:28 | hmm | |
| 20:28 | not the tagname... | |
| 20:28 | braedon|work | what was the checkout command you ran? |
| 20:28 | seneca | git checkout v3.00.05 |
| 20:28 | braedon|work | and it went through fine? |
| 20:28 | seneca | "HEAD is now at 4f9aff4... Changing version number 3.0.5" |
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| 20:29 | braedon|work | oo, try "git fetch" |
| 20:29 | seneca | git fetch tagname? |
| 20:29 | * braedon|work | crosses fingers |
| 20:29 | seneca | or just git fetch? |
| 20:29 | braedon|work | um... |
| 20:29 | chris | ahh |
| 20:29 | got it | |
| 20:29 | seneca | git fetch returned a line, no output |
| 20:29 | think it worked? | |
| 20:29 | chris | git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 |
| 20:30 | will get you a local branch called 3.0.5 | |
| 20:30 | braedon|work | chris: shouldn't need to |
| 20:30 | seneca | is that the full checkout command I should run? |
| 20:30 | chris | which is exactly at the point where v3.00.05 is |
| 20:30 | braedon|work | there is a way to do it without a local branch |
| 20:30 | chris | no fetch, pull or anything needed |
| 20:30 | yeah but a local branch is a lot safer/easier | |
| 20:30 | ccurry | still processing the log....i tried the steps that Henri-Damien sent out with the release of 3.0.5, along with the upgrade steps in INSTALL.debian and I never get a prompt to use the web-based installer....perhaps all I need to do is log out and log back in in the intranet? I can probably sort this out with the abundance of information that is stacked up in the current chat feed, just for... |
| 20:30 | ...me (how convenient). If I have trouble, I'll come back and ask. Thanks, seneca for having the same request as me. | |
| 20:30 | chris | if he does a git checkout something else now .. his branch will be gone |
| 20:30 | seneca | ha! no prob |
| 20:31 | ccurry | I'm running standard, by the way |
| 20:31 | chris | but with a local branch it will stay there |
| 20:31 | seneca | *confused* |
| 20:31 | braedon|work | chris: true. |
| 20:31 | seneca | *but waiting patiently* |
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| 20:31 | ccurry | I'm a newbie and I had trouble getting dev to work correctly, so I stuck with standard for now... |
| 20:31 | braedon|work | seneca: try it chris's way, with the branch |
| 20:31 | seneca | ok |
| 20:32 | quick return | |
| 20:32 | braedon|work | ccurry: what is your current setup, and what do you want to move to, exactly? |
| 20:32 | seneca | Switched to a new branch "3.0.5" |
| 20:32 | no pull or fetch needed now? | |
| 20:32 | chris | nope |
| 20:32 | good to go | |
| 20:32 | you just need to find the path to your install log | |
| 20:33 | and run something like | |
| 20:33 | perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log make make test sudo make upgrade | |
| 20:33 | ccurry | Well, I'm trying to set up a test server with the same version as my live server. 3.0.5 |
| 20:33 | chris | gah, those should be on different lines |
| 20:33 | perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log | |
| 20:33 | ccurry | The strange thing is that I ran sudo git checkout -b 3.0.x --track origin/3.0.x |
| 20:33 | chris | make |
| 20:33 | sudo make upgrade | |
| 20:33 | seneca | do we know the name of the install log file? |
| 20:33 | ccurry | but that gave me 3.0.4 for some weird reason. |
| 20:33 | chris | it'll have install-log in it ;) |
| 20:33 | seneca | got it, chris:) |
| 20:34 | chris | i think it will be somewhere under /usr/share/koha |
| 20:34 | ccurry | even though I used the same git command to get the stable branch when I installed my live server. |
| 20:34 | seneca | heh |
| 20:34 | might it be in the koha-dev fodler? | |
| 20:35 | braedon|work | seneca: should be in old kohaclone, i think.... |
| 20:35 | open it when you find it | |
| 20:35 | ccurry | I thought I would use this opportunity to test an upgrade, but it has been a failed effort so far. |
| 20:35 | braedon|work | and make sure it has variables filled |
| 20:35 | seneca | looks good |
| 20:35 | chris | in misc |
| 20:35 | is that where you found it? | |
| 20:35 | seneca | eah |
| 20:36 | yeah | |
| 20:36 | braedon|work | ccurry: so you have a git dev install? |
| 20:36 | ccurry | standard |
| 20:36 | chris | cos i think the one in |
| 20:36 | blib/MISC_DIR/koha-install-log | |
| 20:36 | is the better one | |
| 20:36 | seneca | hmm |
| 20:36 | chris | take a look at them both, one will have proper info |
| 20:36 | braedon|work | ccurry: ok, and what is saying it is 3.00.04? |
| 20:36 | chris | the other will look like |
| 20:36 | KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=__KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION__ | |
| 20:37 | (thats the wrong one) | |
| 20:37 | seneca | same info in both |
| 20:37 | braedon|work | chris: there is usually one like that in koha-dev |
| 20:37 | ccurry | oops |
| 20:37 | about.pl | |
| 20:38 | chris | seneca: can you paste one line (not the one with a password :)) |
| 20:38 | seneca | so, just double checking, my next step should be to run the Makefile.pl, right? |
| 20:38 | KOHA_INSTALLED_VERSION=3.00.05.003 | |
| 20:38 | DB_NAME=koha | |
| 20:38 | etc | |
| 20:38 | chris | yep looks good |
| 20:38 | perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log | |
| 20:38 | braedon|work | ccurry: weird. not sure sorry |
| 20:39 | ccurry: o, did you actually run an upgrade after the checkout? | |
| 20:39 | seneca | now make? |
| 20:40 | chris | yep |
| 20:40 | braedon|work | if you have a standard install, you need to actually install the new version - it is not linked in from your git repo |
| 20:40 | ccurry | braedon|work: http://pastebin.com/wUpYe38d |
| 20:40 | that's all the commands I issued to upgrade | |
| 20:40 | braedon|work | seneca: when you get to it, try the make upgrade without sudo - should work, and saves permissions issues later |
| 20:41 | seneca | ok - make test and make upgrade seemed to have worked |
| 20:41 | nope - needed sudo | |
| 20:41 | got permission errors after a few successful lines | |
| 20:41 | ccurry | I tried make install (instead of make upgrade); still didn't work. |
| 20:41 | braedon|work | seneca: really? weird |
| 20:41 | seneca: check hte ownership of koha-dev | |
| 20:42 | ccurry | about.pl still tells me it's running 3.0.4 and no web installer runs when I log into the intranet. |
| 20:42 | braedon|work | ccurry: sure you had the right install log? |
| 20:42 | chris | yeah you need sudo unless you are running as the koha user |
| 20:42 | ccurry | pretty sure |
| 20:42 | seneca | drwxr-xr-x 8 koha koha 4096 2009-06-03 12:48 koha-dev |
| 20:43 | braedon|work | seneca: and you are running as koha user? |
| 20:43 | seneca | I'm running as koha |
| 20:43 | doh! | |
| 20:43 | the permissions errors I got were all on release_notes | |
| 20:44 | think I should re-run it without the sudo? | |
| 20:44 | ccurry | braedon|work: "git checkout -b 3.0.x --track origin/3.0.x" should have given me 3.0.5, right? |
| 20:44 | braedon|work | ccurry: nope, it will get you the dev branch of 3.0.x |
| 20:44 | chris | ccurry: no, that will give you what is about to become 3.0.6 |
| 20:44 | seneca | wait, no they weren't - nevermind that |
| 20:44 | chris | :) |
| 20:44 | ccurry | ah |
| 20:45 | seneca | when is 3.0.6 due? |
| 20:45 | braedon|work | ccurry: git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 |
| 20:46 | chris | seneca: there were a couple of little bugs, once they are sorted any day now |
| 20:46 | braedon|work | seneca: just run as sudo |
| 20:46 | seneca | cool |
| 20:46 | braedon|work | but beware that you will need to chown some files to get zebra running |
| 20:46 | seneca | should the steps I just took get me to 3.0.6 when the time comes? |
| 20:46 | ccurry | braedon|work: awesome; since this is just a fresh test server, i'll just reinstall and deal with the upgrade issues later. |
| 20:47 | braedon|work | seneca: you will need to checkout the 3.0.6 tag when it is created |
| 20:47 | and then run the web installer on your first login after | |
| 20:47 | schuster | bug 2975 |
| 20:47 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2975 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Offline circ tries to circ on biblio-level "itemtype" |
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| 20:48 | ccurry | Thanks for all the help; this has been very fortuitous. |
| 20:48 | schuster | I see a patch was sent is noted, but has it been accepted gmcharlt? |
| 20:48 | seneca | hmm |
| 20:48 | I'm getting some errors now: | |
| 20:48 | libraries.mvschool.com | |
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| 20:49 | chris | seneca probably missng modules |
| 20:49 | ah no, thats a config error, check your koha-conf.xml file | |
| 20:49 | does it have the right username and password? | |
| 20:49 | seneca | chris, I had a working system that I had manually upgraded before I just upgraded the git way, so I should have all my modules, I think |
| 20:50 | chris | yeah check you koha-conf.xml file (in /etc/) |
| 20:56 | seneca | well, I got rid of the kohaadmin password problem, but there's more... |
| 20:57 | chris | oh yeah it looks like the koha-conf.xml is totally screwed up |
| 20:57 | i thought you had a standard install? not a dev one? | |
| 20:59 | maybe your apache config is pointing to the wrong config file? | |
| 20:59 | seneca | no, dev from the VM - checking tags and syntax now... |
| 20:59 | chris | oohh if you have a dev |
| 20:59 | install | |
| 20:59 | there was totally no need to do the upgrade, since it runs out of your git checkout | |
| 21:00 | you only do the upgrade on standard installs | |
| 21:00 | braedon|work | chris: he was getting back to using the correct dev install, after chnages |
| 21:00 | upgrade should do it(did for me) | |
| 21:00 | chris | it might, but it's not going to consistently work |
| 21:01 | braedon|work | it doesn't have it |
| 21:01 | jsut onece | |
| 21:01 | then he can use git | |
| 21:01 | chris | no i mean for all people |
| 21:01 | braedon|work | o, right |
| 21:01 | chris | it might just bugger up the config file |
| 21:02 | seneca: does the rest of the file look right, does it have actual info in it? | |
| 21:02 | if so, we just need to fix the tag issue | |
| 21:03 | seneca | yeah, it was just a tag issue |
| 21:03 | tired eyes took some time to find it though. ;) | |
| 21:04 | chris | :) |
| 21:04 | seneca | all better |
| 21:04 | thanks to all for help | |
| 21:05 | this is why I love the open source community/ies and why I hope to one day know enough about Koha to give back some useful adive! | |
| 21:05 | er - advice | |
| 21:05 | I also hope to someday learn to type | |
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| 21:06 | seneca | so, what part of all that I just did will be necessary for upgrades from here on out? |
| 21:07 | the git stuff, I mean - not the fixing my own typos ;) | |
| 21:07 | chris | if you are running a dev install |
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| 21:07 | chris | just the git checkout bit |
| 21:07 | seneca | which I am |
| 21:07 | no make, etc? | |
| 21:07 | chris | nope |
| 21:08 | seneca | so, just "git tag -l" to find the version I want to upgrade to |
| 21:08 | chris | thats it |
| 21:09 | seneca | which git checkout line, though |
| 21:09 | git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05 < this one? | |
| 21:09 | or without the base? | |
| 21:11 | braedon|work | base? |
| 21:11 | chris | yeah if you are running out of git, checking out a local branch is the safest |
| 21:11 | git fetch before the checkout tho | |
| 21:12 | seneca | sorr "-b" part |
| 21:12 | ccurry | braedon|work: back for a quick confirmation: My live server version reports "3.00.05.001"; will git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05", which you recommended to me a few minutes ago, give me exactly the same koha as my live server or did I manage to get 3.05 + a few patches when I originally pulled 3.0.x from git? |
| 21:12 | chris | before the tags even |
| 21:12 | seneca | I meant branch :} |
| 21:13 | so, just making sure: | |
| 21:13 | braedon|work | ccurry: 3.0.x has more patches, than 3.0.5, yes |
| 21:13 | seneca | step 1: get fetch |
| 21:13 | er -git | |
| 21:13 | step 2: git tags -l | |
| 21:13 | ccurry | braedon|work: so is there any way to grab exactly 3.00.05.001 or has that ship sailed? |
| 21:14 | seneca | step 3: (in kohaclone) git checkout -b _BRANCH_ _TAGNAME_ |
| 21:14 | and voila? | |
| 21:14 | ccurry | after checking out a tag in git, can you see this long version number before installing? |
| 21:15 | mdhafen | ccurry: the version number is in the kohaversion.pl file |
| 21:15 | braedon|work | ccurry: have to ask chris(or someone else who is lurking) about that i think |
| 21:15 | like mdhafen! | |
| 21:15 | ccurry | thanks |
| 21:15 | mdhafen | :) your welcome |
| 21:16 | seneca | seems far too easy ;) |
| 21:17 | braedon|work | seneca: are you planning on making any changes to the code? |
| 21:18 | seneca | braedon|work: not planning on it |
| 21:18 | ccurry | and btw, can anyone recommend good entry level documentation for using git with koha? I feel like I'm doing a lot of feeling around. I looked at the man pages, but there's a lot there and most of it is about committing changes to remote repositories and sharing patches, etc. I'd love to be doing that some day, but for now I just want to be able to efficiently navigate git and grab updates. |
| 21:18 | seneca | why? |
| 21:19 | braedon|work | seneca: if you do, you will need to rebase, rather than checking out to a new branch. |
| 21:19 | actually, can you rebase off a tag? | |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage |
| 21:19 | seneca | you and I are int he same boat, ccurry |
| 21:20 | mdhafen | ccurry: git_usage braedon mentioned is good for usage. For navigating I like gitweb at http://git.koha.org/ |
| 21:20 | ccurry | thanks; that should help. |
| 21:20 | mdhafen | ccurry: Looks like there are some database changes between 3.0.5 and where 3.0.x is now. Might be to late to go back. |
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| 21:21 | seneca | braedon|work: what do you mean by rebase? |
| 21:21 | ccurry | mdhafen: thanks for the heads up. I'm hoping it'll be close enough for testing. |
| 21:22 | braedon|work | rebase basically tries to merge your changes with a new version of base code |
| 21:22 | ccurry | I just wanted to get my test server as close to possible to a mirror |
| 21:22 | chris | but without the merge ;) |
| 21:22 | braedon|work | for example, git rebase origin/3.0.x will merge the current 3.0.x with your changes |
| 21:22 | chris | what rebase does is rewind your repo back to the common point with what you are rebasing from |
| 21:22 | (not merge braedon|work ) | |
| 21:22 | mdhafen | braedon: if he's based on a tag will he even want to follow new code? |
| 21:23 | chris | then it will replay the commits from the branch you are rebasing from, then replay your commits after |
| 21:23 | braedon|work | chris: but what is the effective result? |
| 21:23 | chris | quite different to a merge |
| 21:23 | rebase changes commit ids | |
| 21:23 | braedon|work | and will git rebase v3.00.05 work? |
| 21:24 | chris | it will make a mess trying to rebase to an older version than you have checked out |
| 21:24 | seneca | well, I will inquire about submitting changes I make when I actually make some changes;) |
| 21:24 | braedon|work | chris: i know it is not a merge, but i was attempting to explain it in a simple manner |
| 21:24 | chris | yeah, but it does a very different thing to a merge |
| 21:25 | so is slightly dangerous to call it that, because ppl will use it when they should merge | |
| 21:25 | mdhafen | ccurry: yeah, should be good for testing. Just know that 3.0.6 should be out soon (couple months?) |
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| 21:25 | braedon|work | chris: from the Koha docs: "Sometimes you'll be working on something on a branch that needs to be updated to the latest 'origin'. Running the following commands will grab all the changes since you last pulled and merge them with your current changes: " "git fetch |
| 21:25 | $ git rebase origin" | |
| 21:25 | chris | yes |
| 21:25 | ccurry | ok |
| 21:25 | chris | that needs to be fixed |
| 21:26 | it doesnt merge them at all | |
| 21:26 | git fetch | |
| 21:26 | git merge | |
| 21:26 | does (which is what git pull does by default) | |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | oh plox update that |
| 21:26 | braedon|work | yip |
| 21:26 | wizzyrea | because I use it all the time :P |
| 21:26 | like, every day | |
| 21:26 | chris | now for koha we rebase because we send patches |
| 21:27 | BUT if you have a public branch, that someone has pulled from | |
| 21:27 | braedon|work | ok, so if you have a branch created from tag version, which you make changes to, and you want to upgrade it to a new tag version, which should/can you use? |
| 21:27 | chris | and you rebase it, causig commit id's to change, and then that person pulls from you again ... you make a huge mess of their repo |
| 21:27 | so you should never rebase on a branch that someone has pulled from | |
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| 21:28 | chris | whereas a merge is safe |
| 21:28 | braedon|work: id merge | |
| 21:29 | braedon|work | ok, good to know |
| 21:29 | chris | but with git you have a ton of options |
| 21:29 | you could checkout the new tag | |
| 21:29 | and then cherry-pick your commits over | |
| 21:29 | braedon|work | yipyip |
| 21:30 | * braedon|work | better get back to work... |
| 21:31 | ccurry | I'm getting the following error wen executing "sudo git checkout -b 3.0.5 v3.00.05" on a virtualbox vid that has a "myinstall origin" branch on it already: fatal: git checkout: updating paths is incompatible with switching branches/forcing; Did you intend to checkout 'v3.00.05' which can not be resolved as commit? do I need to delete "myinstall" first? |
| 21:32 | it's a vid I created, following all the steps of INSTALL.deb up to the perl Makefile.pl step. | |
| 21:33 | mdhafen | I think there is more potential for a merge conflict when pulling from a branch that has used merge. But it's usually more convenient than having to recreate the link after they have rebased. |
| 21:34 | ccurry: I think that error is because you have changed a file there. Git doesn't want to loose the change, so you have to either commit the change so git knows about it, or revert the change so it goes away | |
| 21:34 | ccurry | ah...maybe I ran the makefile.pl |
| 21:34 | how can i revert the changes? | |
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| 21:35 | mdhafen | ccurry: I think the command is `git revert --hard HEAD` |
| 21:35 | ccurry | I tried git status and got: "nothing to commit (working directory clean)" |
| 21:35 | mdhafen | ccurry: ah, then I must be mistaken |
| 21:36 | ccurry | I also tried "sudo git-branch myinstall -d" and the following is shouted at me "error: Cannot delete the branch 'myinstall' which you are currently on." |
| 21:36 | oy | |
| 21:36 | can I move out of the branch somehow and delete it? | |
| 21:37 | mdhafen | ccurry: yeah, can't delete the branch you are on. |
| 21:37 | ccurry: I think the v in v3.0.5 is supposed to be upper case | |
| 21:37 | ccurry | ah...I'll try that. |
| 21:38 | braedon|work | as in the tag name? |
| 21:38 | ccurry | same error |
| 21:38 | braedon|work | it is lowercase |
| 21:38 | why are you sudoing btw? | |
| 21:38 | ccurry | yep |
| 21:39 | braedon|work | git should be managed by one user - shouldn't need to sudo |
| 21:39 | probably not related... | |
| 21:40 | ccurry | hmm; I get errors when I don't sudo; perhaps that's my problem. I think I used another user when I set this vid up. |
| 21:40 | braedon|work | what is the owner of the kohaclone folder? |
| 21:40 | (and contents( | |
| 21:41 | ccurry | i'll check |
| 21:42 | oops: root; I guess I did it with root originally. | |
| 21:42 | in my earlier, wilder days. | |
| 21:42 | braedon|work | ok, so the sodo probably isn't the issue then |
| 21:43 | but probably best to chown it to someone, and not use sudo | |
| 21:43 | ccurry | I get the same error as root |
| 21:44 | mdhafen | ccurry: maybe splitting the command into it's components would reveal the source of the error. try first `git branch 3.0.5 v3.00.05` then `git checkout 3.0.5` and see where the error is. |
| 21:44 | braedon|work | have you run a git fetch? |
| 21:44 | schuster | Just realized the default for syspref insecure (modified) - is set to Allow....??? even though it says you shouldn't do that? |
| 21:45 | mdhafen | schuster: is it! that doesn't seem right to me. |
| 21:45 | ccurry | i did forget to fetch |
| 21:45 | doing so now | |
| 21:45 | braedon|work | that could be it apparently |
| 21:45 | git doesn't know about the branch | |
| 21:46 | mdhafen | schuster: which branch are you looking at? |
| 21:46 | ccurry | makes sense; it didn't exist when I set up this vid, so how could it. thanks for talking me through it. |
| 21:46 | braedon|work | thank google and stackoverflow :p http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]nch-does-not-work |
| 21:46 | schuster | I'm running against the current HEAD as of 2 days ago. |
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| 21:51 | mdhafen | schuster: I'm looking at the sysprefs.sql in the installer/mysql/en/mandatory, and it's set to 0 there? Where are you looking? |
| 21:54 | schuster | Well I don't know the unders I was looking at it and it said Allow so I changed it to Don't Allow. |
| 21:57 | hmmm when I change it to "dont allow" I get an error that it can't be saved. | |
| 21:57 | well that would make sense as I'm not actually logged in! | |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | oh, schuster |
| 21:58 | you probably need to install JSON | |
| 21:58 | I think I did cpan -i JSON | |
| 21:58 | but these fine folks probalby know what the debian package is | |
| 21:58 | mdhafen | schuster: if insecure is set you probably don't need to be logged in. |
| 21:59 | debian package should be something like libjson-perl | |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | mdhafen++ |
| 21:59 | seneca | thanks again to all who helped, gotta run |
| 21:59 | wizzyrea | later seneca |
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| 22:00 | wizzyrea | in that case you could apt-get install libjson-perl |
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| 22:02 | schuster | hmmm libjson-perl isn't in the dependancies |
| 22:04 | I'm still concerned about how to get all of those "required" pieces into the install. The apt-get magick piece still isn't automatic and several others are not listed. I hesitate to edit the document, but guess that's what the RM is for to make sure I do it right? | |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | bug 4151 |
| 22:05 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | it's listed there :P |
| 22:05 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | add anything new you find |
| 22:06 | schuster | OK as long as someone edits it before the next "beta" release? I was still working off of the HEAD alpha instructions. |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | it = ? |
| 22:13 | brendan | @wunder ashevill, nc |
| 22:13 | munin | brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 22:13 | brendan | @wunder asheville, nc |
| 22:14 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Sunset Mountain, Asheville, North Carolina is -0.4�C (5:13 PM EST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 75%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -5.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am EST Friday... |
| 22:14 | schuster | wizzyrea ya lost me? |
| 22:14 | OOO afternoon weather report | |
| 22:14 | @wunder 75074 | |
| 22:14 | munin | schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 10.6�C (4:00 PM CST on February 24, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 29%. Dew Point: -7.0�C. Pressure: 29.53 in 999.9 hPa (Falling). |
| 22:15 | schuster | Well off to the family... see ya all tomorrow! Hopefully I will be able to do more 3.2 testing. I'm going to pull head again tonight. |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | what is the it that needs updating? |
| 22:15 | you lost me first ;) | |
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| 22:15 | schuster | INSTALL.debian-lenny instructions |
| 22:15 | wizzyrea | OH |
| 22:16 | ok, yea, I've been poking at those | |
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| 22:16 | schuster | Doesn't have all the dependancies etc... |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | with gmcharlt's guidance/help it'll get done |
| 22:16 | and 4151 | |
| 22:16 | bug 4151 | |
| 22:16 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4151 blocker, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, ASSIGNED, Document new perl modules for those upgrading |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 22:17 | schuster | All I know is trying to install 3.004, 3.005 was a bugger and I never got it quite right there was something always missing. |
| 22:17 | wizzyrea | there are lots of dependencies :/ |
| 22:18 | the only two I had trouble with were libjson and something about snowball :P | |
| 22:18 | schuster | I have discovered it makes a difference on which Mirror you setup your debian from - it shouldn't but it has made a world of difference with the ...Simple dependancy for labels. |
| 22:18 | Did you do a fresh debian install or just a new install of koha? | |
| 22:19 | wizzyrea | this last time it was on a pristine debian netinstall |
| 22:19 | schuster | I had 4 items the Magick thing that I had to apt-get, and 3 others that I have noted on that laptop. I'll make sure they are on your log. |
| 22:20 | wizzyrea | ty kindly :) |
| 22:20 | oh yea the magick stuff | |
| 22:20 | not sure I even have that on mine, but I don't use pics | |
| 22:20 | so makes sense that you would trip up on it | |
| 22:21 | schuster | by for now... |
| 22:21 | schuster left #koha | |
| 22:21 | wizzyrea | bye! |
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| 22:35 | mdhafen | I need some help with Internet Explorer. I'm trying to get an object tag sourcing an .ogg file to play automatically. |
| 22:36 | I've got the classid of media player set, and the vorbis codec installed, and autostart in the params, but no luck. | |
| 22:41 | any suggestions? | |
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| 22:44 | * wizzyrea | uses firefox/chrome on the mac, sorry :( |
| 22:44 | chris | chromium on linux here |
| 22:45 | again no help | |
| 22:45 | mdhafen | I'm trying to find an alternative to the audio tag, which I expect chromium supports. Thanks anyway |
| 22:47 | it's not easy for me, I use linux too. My librarians though... but that's another story :) | |
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| 22:50 | wizzyrea | :) |
| 22:52 | chris | is the page viewable on the web? |
| 22:53 | i could ask the html dudes at work | |
| 22:54 | mdhafen | it isn't really right now. It's based on a patch I send to the patches list. I've already changed that though because IE doesn't like new lines in a quote. |
| 22:55 | There is a url that might be accessible though. I'll have to update that code. it's koha-dev.washk12.org/stuff/html5_audio_text.html | |
| 22:55 | if you can get to that I'll fix it. | |
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| 22:57 | chris | ill look |
| 22:59 | mdhafen | I modified it anyway :) |
| 22:59 | chris | doesnt look like i can get to it |
| 23:00 | mdhafen | oh well. |
| 23:00 | how about I paste the code here? could you pass it to them? | |
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| 23:09 | Genji | hiya all |
| 23:09 | my $val = Encode::decode_utf8($value); | |
| 23:09 | print "$val\n"; | |
| 23:09 | its still gives wide character in print error. | |
| 23:09 | gmcharlt | Genji: binmode STDOUT, ":utf8" |
| 23:10 | is the missing bit | |
| 23:11 | Genji | yay. |
| 23:13 | why im doing this, is because zebra is indexing marcfield 653 subjects - phrases, by words, and not total string.. even though 'melm 653 subjects:p' | |
| 23:15 | so im having to loop through all the db, getting all the subjects, and their occurances, by hand. |
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