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00:24 | chris_n2 | @wunder 28334 |
00:24 | munin | chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 9.6�C (7:18 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.56 in 1000.9 hPa (Falling). |
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01:13 | chris | owen++ |
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02:10 | chris_n2 | owen++ |
02:55 | chris | git log --decorate --graph --oneline |
03:00 | chris_n2 | fatal: unrecognized argument: --oneline |
03:01 | chris | ahh old version of git |
03:01 | chris_n2 | git version 1.6.0.4 |
03:02 | chris | --pretty=oneline |
03:03 | chris_n2 | that works |
03:04 | --oneline works in git version 1.6.3.3 | |
03:04 | neat | |
03:04 | chris | yeah handy |
03:04 | chris_n2 | did you learn that at a seminar today? |
03:04 | chris | at a git wrangling one right now |
03:05 | by scott chacon (who is a guru) | |
03:05 | chris_n2 | cool |
03:05 | chris | talking about rebasing now |
03:06 | and affirming that koha does it the right way | |
03:06 | so thats nice | |
03:06 | (ie we should rebase before sending patches) | |
03:07 | chris_n2 | nice to know that |
03:11 | chris | wow, you can do some scarily powerful stuff |
03:17 | * chris_n2 | grips the edge of his seat with excitement :-) |
03:20 | chris | looking at all the different merge tools |
03:21 | now we are talking about gitattributes | |
03:22 | how you can use it to diff binary files | |
03:22 | chris_n2 | that's one session I'd love to be at |
03:22 | chris | its all being recorded |
03:23 | ill post to the devel list when it is put up somewhere | |
03:23 | its one you want to be able to pause | |
03:23 | chris_n2 | great |
03:23 | chris | so you can try things |
03:32 | http://bit.ly/git-wrangling | |
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03:34 | Jo | Hi all. Is anyone able to help me find out the date and tme of the Koha community meeting please. I know its early Feb but can't find it on koha.org and struggling a abit wuith irc logs |
03:35 | chris | the next one? |
03:36 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10feb02 | |
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03:36 | chris | ok, gotta go offline for a bit |
03:36 | Amit | hi chris |
03:36 | good morning #koha | |
03:37 | Jo | hiya AMit |
03:37 | Amit | heya Jo |
03:37 | Jo | thankjs Chris |
03:44 | chris_n2 | hey Amit |
03:45 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Newsletter #1 Released: http://bit.ly/5fKZA5 | IRC meeting: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 at 19:00 UTC+0 | |
03:45 | Amit | heya Chris_n2 |
03:45 | @wunder New Delhi | |
03:45 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 8.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.12 in 1020 hPa (Steady). |
03:45 | chris_n2 | @wunder 28334 |
03:45 | munin | chris_n2: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 8.6�C (10:42 PM EST on January 19, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.59 in 1001.9 hPa (Falling). |
03:46 | chris_n2 | humid in New Delhi today |
03:46 | raining maybe? | |
04:01 | Jo | @wunder Wellington |
04:01 | munin | Jo: Error: No such location could be found. |
04:06 | Topic for #koha is now Next Community meeting 2nd Feb 2010 at 1900 UTC | |
04:07 | Amit | @wunder Dehradun india |
04:07 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 6.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.16 in 1021 hPa. |
04:07 | Amit | @wunder Bangalore |
04:07 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 19.0�C (8:30 AM IST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 77%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. |
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04:35 | chris_n2 | g'night #koha |
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06:16 | Amit | heya richard |
06:16 | richard | hiya Amit |
06:16 | how's things going? | |
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07:06 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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07:24 | imp | moin |
07:25 | Amit | heya nicomo, Ropuch, imp |
07:26 | nicomo | hi Amit |
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09:51 | magnus | jo++ # http://library-matters.blogspo[…]-my-universe.html |
10:04 | chris | its a great blog post |
10:04 | * chris | has just got back from drinking with some git developers |
10:04 | chris | so may be incoherent |
10:06 | masonj | heya |
10:06 | i just got back from band-practice... | |
10:09 | chris | cool :) you were mentioned in the blog post |
10:09 | masonj | hi Amit too , happy new year |
10:11 | paul_p | hello masonj, magnus, chris & al |
10:12 | masonj | hiya paul |
10:12 | magnus | hello paul_p et al |
10:12 | masonj | and magnus :) |
10:12 | magnus | and masonj |
10:13 | chris | heya paul_p |
10:13 | paul_p: try git log --decorate --graph --oneline | |
10:14 | magnus | nice |
10:18 | chris | one of the tips i learnt today |
10:19 | more at http://bit.ly/git-wrangling | |
10:23 | masonj | nice pdf layout and graphics |
10:24 | chris | yeah was a good talk, from someone who really knows there stuff |
10:24 | their too | |
10:28 | Amit | hi masonj happy new year to you too |
10:38 | hdl_laptop | happy new year Amit |
10:51 | chilts | yeah, gonna alias 'git tree' to 'git log --decorate --graph --pretty=oneline' (I have v1.6.0.4 unfortunately, --pretty=oneline === --oneline) |
10:52 | Amit | hi hdl_laptop same to u |
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13:21 | chris_n | g'morning |
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13:24 | * jwagner | makes an indistinct mumble resembling "good morning" |
13:29 | hdl_laptop | good morning |
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13:41 | oceb | morning |
13:44 | owen | Hi oceb |
13:49 | oceb | hi owen |
13:51 | do you know why advanced search with Date of publication, distribution (260c) isn't workin on opac? | |
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13:51 | owen | oceb: Does it return no results, or incorrect results? |
13:51 | oceb | never return results =/ |
13:52 | owen | oceb: What version of Koha? |
13:52 | oceb | 3.0.5 |
13:57 | owen | Are you referring to the "publication date range" option? |
13:58 | oceb | exactly! :D |
13:59 | when i put a date p.e. "1998" or "-2009" or "1997-" it doesn't return results | |
13:59 | but without a date, it returns... | |
13:59 | owen | I assume other searches are working okay? |
13:59 | oceb | yeah |
14:00 | owen | Maybe someone else here can verify: Does the publication date search work by looking at 008? |
14:01 | oceb | uhmmm |
14:01 | how i can do a date search on 008 ? | |
14:02 | owen | oceb: I thought the publication date range search *did* search on the date in 008, but I'm hoping someone else here can tell me if that's correct |
14:03 | oceb | =O |
14:04 | I thought that search was on the field 260c | |
14:06 | owen | 260c can contain non-numeric data, so you can't ask a computer to do numeric comparisons on it without attempting to sanitize it. |
14:06 | I thought the pub date search worked with 008 because of that. | |
14:08 | schuster | I can't verify but from my experience with Bib dates so far depending I suspect it is coming from the biblio.copyrightdate or biblioitems, but I'm not sure |
14:08 | oceb | =o |
14:08 | omg | |
14:08 | schuster | where that is being derived from and scrubbed to a single number. I have not compared that, but will take a look. |
14:09 | oceb | i think 99% of my books doesn't have a date in 008 >.< |
14:09 | i'll test one, im putting a date on a book and now im reindexing | |
14:19 | omg | |
14:19 | it works! | |
14:19 | thanks owen :) | |
14:20 | now i need to put all dates from 260c to 008 =( | |
14:22 | owen | oceb: sounds like a job for a Perl guru |
14:24 | * owen | thinks we had to do the same thing at one point, but it wasn't me that did it |
14:24 | schuster | so it is pulling the date from the 008 - do you know is that how it got the information for the biblio.copyrightdate as well? |
14:26 | * chris_n | heads off to fix a naughty win32 box |
14:26 | schuster | shame on that box... ;) |
14:27 | Owen - I want to thank you again for your help last week.. I'm really excited about the possibilities, now I just have to do something with it! | |
14:27 | owen | Sure thing schuster, I know you'd asked me about it before and I'm glad you pestered me about it |
14:27 | Ropuch | Hm, I need to fix 008 with dates from 260c too |
14:28 | This means some perl exercisies ;> | |
14:32 | jwagner | owen, you're talking about the 008 positions 7-10 for the pubyear, correct? |
14:32 | owen | Yes |
14:32 | jwagner | Thanks. I have a site that's getting data converted by Marcive right now -- a timely reminder to send them to make sure that's getting filled in. |
14:38 | oceb | wow |
14:38 | not everithing is perl :) | |
14:39 | here in my library we have some code written in php to modifiy both marc and marcxml | |
14:40 | but I am learning Perl little by little with koha :D | |
14:49 | hdl_laptop | oceb: :'( |
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14:49 | hdl_laptop | learning PERL with koha is a hard school |
14:50 | schuster | MarcEdit again might be able to help in that job... I know I've used it's find x and place it in y feature several times. Don't know how it would work on a leader/008 field. |
14:51 | chris_n | bye chris_n2 |
14:51 | hdl_laptop | schuster++ |
14:51 | schuster | Question to the list - has anyone else seen this? http://bagno.be/localcovers.html - would it still work? |
14:52 | oceb | hdl_laptop : yeah.... when i come here, i have no idea of what is perl :S |
14:54 | perl is... powerfull but... some complicated to beginners :D Php is friendly with beginners :) Anyway im happy with koha and my newbie-knowledge of perl | |
14:56 | schuster | interesting regarding the 008 - biblios.copyrightdate comes from the 260c though in the database NOT the 008. |
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14:56 | schuster | I just ran a test. |
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15:06 | schuster | chris - just went through the git presentation - it is powerful - glad you understand it!!! |
15:07 | owen | That's what I like about git: I can get stuff done with it, and people smarter than me can do magic with it. |
15:07 | schuster | magic - kinda like owen the wizard with css ;) |
15:08 | I just did some further testing and biblios.copyrightdate - scrubs everything except the first set of numbers. ie 2010, [p2009] in copyrightdate shows 2010, with [p2009], 2010 shows 2009... | |
15:10 | When searching what is displayed on the bib screen is the copyrightdate field so in the example above 2010, then 2009 not the full MARC representation. | |
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15:36 | schuster | ok new question for the techies. I may also post it to the koha-devel list for responses. I have 53,000 pictures of students on a remote server. |
15:37 | I tried to scp them in, but guess what there are limitations, so I'm thinking of setting up a cron job to setup the fileshare on the windows box, and then issue a set of scp commands once a week in the middle of the night to copy them over. | |
15:37 | then at the end of the cron would be the script I have to mass add them. | |
15:38 | Thoughts suggestions? I'm a librarian here remember that when you respond. thanks.... | |
15:49 | wizzyrea | hm, why do you have to add all 53k of them every week? |
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15:54 | wizzyrea | schuster: maybe I'm not understanding your need, you have 53k photos and you can only move X with scp, so you're thinking of moving batches of them? Or you have 53k photos that you need to add every week |
15:54 | or... something else | |
15:55 | owen | wizzyrea: Looks like he put more details into a message to koha-devel |
15:56 | schuster | There are files put on a share for several departments to use of pictures of all the kids. I never know when they get put there, and the dates on the files are the dates they are taken by the photographer |
15:56 | hence the reason for loading ALL of them. | |
15:57 | If there are problems with pictures the librarian lets me know and I inform the powers that be to adjust the photo names etc... to make them match correctly. We use the photos with the grade book program, and lunchline. | |
15:57 | wizzyrea | Ah, sorry I didn't look at my list mail |
15:58 | schuster | sorry I was somewhat brief here in my description. |
16:00 | wizzyrea | it's too bad it's a windows server, you could rsync |
16:03 | chris_n | you can still rsync |
16:03 | http://www.aboutmyip.com/About[…]App/DeltaCopy.jsp | |
16:03 | wizzyrea | I didn't realize there was a windows version ^.^ |
16:04 | oh sweet, had no idea, thanks chris | |
16:04 | chris_n | |
16:04 | chris_n | I use it to sync my main webradio broadcast server with the warm-standby box |
16:05 | schuster: you can do a share if you use samba | |
16:05 | wizzyrea | are you the king of shoehorning windows in to unix shoes? |
16:05 | chris_n | but rsync is probably the thing here |
16:05 | wizzyrea: I like to see windows in a vbox frame inside of my gnome interface | |
16:05 | wizzyrea | LOL |
16:06 | I frankly can't stand to look at it anymore >.> | |
16:07 | chris_n | schuster: you can setup rsync on your koha box and deltacopy on your win32 box and away you go |
16:07 | wizzyrea | that has other benefits too, right? Like, he might not have to do all 53k? |
16:07 | chris_n | rsync will only pickup on the file changes as well (if you like) which will reduce the load on the network after the initial replication |
16:08 | wizzyrea | yes, that's what I was thinking of |
16:08 | chris_n | great minds think alike they say ;-) |
16:08 | or at least get stuck in the same rut | |
16:08 | wizzyrea | haha |
16:13 | schuster | Thanks chris_n AGAIN! I'll look into this... I don't have control of the windows box only access to pull/copy from so will have to play with it. |
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16:20 | mgcleveland_ | Hello, I have a questions addbiblio.pl not working |
16:20 | the page is blank when it's loaded via the OPAC site | |
16:20 | * chris_n | shamelessly encourages a prospective Koha user to maintain their own installation of Koha |
16:20 | mgcleveland_ | is that directed at me? |
16:21 | (chris_n) | |
16:21 | wizzyrea_ | erm, do you mean in the staff interface? |
16:21 | mgcleveland_ | yep, the staff interface |
16:21 | chris_n | mgcleveland: sorry, no :-) |
16:21 | mgcleveland_ | (thanks for the response) |
16:21 | haha, no worries | |
16:21 | chris_n | but feel free to maintain your own as well :-) |
16:21 | mgcleveland_ | haha, I'm trying! |
16:22 | but there's just so much perl spaghetti code! | |
16:22 | owen | mgcleveland_: What version of Koha? Does your browser display any javascript errors? |
16:22 | wizzyrea_ | mg do you have access to your koha error log? |
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16:22 | mgcleveland_ | yes I have access to the logs and there is no error |
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16:22 | mgcleveland_ | (no javascript errors either) |
16:23 | wizzyrea | what browser are you using? |
16:23 | mgcleveland_ | firefox |
16:23 | here's the weird thing | |
16:23 | I have other instances on different servers, and this page works on them | |
16:23 | i've diffed the files and there is no difference in the files! | |
16:23 | I assume there must be something wrong with my config or database, but I jsut don't know where to start looking | |
16:25 | schuster | Permissions on the file? |
16:25 | mgcleveland_ | i have root on everything |
16:25 | oh, sorry | |
16:25 | good cal | |
16:25 | l | |
16:25 | let me check | |
16:25 | only needs 755, right? | |
16:27 | wizzyrea | it's just blank? |
16:27 | apache errors? | |
16:27 | mgcleveland_ | I checked the apache logs, as well, but I'll do a re-check |
16:28 | (koha error log is blank) | |
16:29 | apache log has no errors pertaining to my session | |
16:29 | wizzyrea | it's got to be something obvious |
16:29 | mgcleveland_ | that's what I'm thinking |
16:29 | but I can't put my finger on it | |
16:30 | like I said, I suspect some config or DB issue | |
16:30 | wizzyrea | do you have itypes defined? |
16:30 | have you been through the system preferences to set up a library? | |
16:30 | 2nd being more important probably | |
16:30 | mgcleveland_ | let me see |
16:31 | wizzyrea | (if you don't have a library, I don't think it will let you add bibs( |
16:31 | (it definitely won't let you add patrons) | |
16:31 | mgcleveland_ | (i'm a CS/programmer guy, so when it comes to the library aspects of the system I'm a little lost, but I'll try to hang :) ) |
16:31 | wizzyrea | we get that a lot :) |
16:31 | mgcleveland_ | haha |
16:31 | so how can I see if a library exists? | |
16:32 | wizzyrea | more -> administration -> libraries and groups |
16:32 | mgcleveland_ | oh yes |
16:32 | wizzyrea | should list them |
16:32 | mgcleveland_ | we have 7 branches listed |
16:32 | wizzyrea | okies, not that... |
16:32 | mgcleveland_ | with no categories set, is this important? |
16:33 | wizzyrea | I'm taking it that you installed with the default data? |
16:33 | so you should have default categories and itypes | |
16:33 | mgcleveland_ | yes I did, but we've added data since then |
16:33 | I really apologize but I have a meeting in 15 | |
16:33 | wizzyrea | Ah ok |
16:33 | np np | |
16:33 | mgcleveland_ | thank you so much for your help |
16:33 | wizzyrea | we're ez |
16:33 | mgcleveland_ | i'll be back in a few! |
16:34 | wizzyrea | ttyl :) |
16:34 | ttyl :) | |
16:34 | eerks lol | |
16:34 | bad typing, bad | |
16:35 | so the koha.org vendor list page is worthless now, right? | |
16:35 | I mean, it lists some | |
16:42 | schuster | Evidently from the discussion yesterday... |
16:42 | wizzyrea | well, here's my task |
16:43 | I'm supposed to come up with a list of the major players in the Koha Community | |
16:43 | and their significant contributions | |
16:43 | which should be easy enough | |
16:44 | owen | wizzyrea: chris and nicomo have both done work analyzing the git logs to identify the primary contributors |
16:45 | wizzyrea | yea I'm looking at it |
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16:49 | wizzyrea | http://stats.workbuffer.org/3.2.0.html among others |
16:51 | owen | wizzyrea: I know PTFS Europe has applied to appear on the list (ages ago) and more recently Mill Run Technology Solutions |
16:52 | Who knows if others have applied and either gotten no response or gave up because the submission form is broken. | |
16:54 | wizzyrea | yea... mason still works at katipo? |
16:56 | chris_n who do you work for? | |
16:57 | jwagner | gmcharlt, online? |
16:57 | magnus | libriotech should be listed, but i havn't bothered to apply yet... |
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17:02 | masonj | wizzyrea: officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;) |
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17:02 | wizzyrea | (I know, I should know this) |
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17:04 | chris_n | @later tell wizzyrea FBC (Foundations Bible College) and contract from time to time |
17:04 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. |
17:05 | masonj | @later tell wizzyrea officially, i work for KohaAloha (my own company), but i do work as a contractor to Katipo ;) |
17:05 | munin | masonj: The operation succeeded. |
17:05 | wizzyrea_ | ty ty |
17:05 | sry, our internets went funky | |
17:06 | chris_n | funky_internet-- |
17:10 | gmcharlt | jwagner_meeting: ? |
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17:20 | oceb | hi brendan |
17:21 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt brendan |
17:21 | brendan | good morning |
17:22 | sekjal | morning, brendan |
17:22 | owen | Hi brendan |
17:22 | brendan | must be nighttime for you hdl_laptop |
17:22 | hdl_laptop | only 18PM |
17:23 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
17:23 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.3�C (9:16 AM PST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Light Thunderstorms and Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.58 in 1001.6 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 7 am PST this morning... |
17:23 | paul_p | not 18PM, 6PM ;-) |
17:23 | brendan | yup my office flooded this morning :( |
17:24 | sekjal | uck, sorry brendan. anything badly damaged? |
17:24 | brendan | the rug, but everything else was off the ground |
17:25 | glad that I plan for silly things like floods, in a place that only rains for a month out of the year | |
17:25 | sekjal | brendan: definitely |
17:25 | I remember waking up at 4am to my apartment flooding. Mad dash across a squishy carpet to get my CPU off the floor | |
17:26 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
17:26 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -6.0�C (11:15 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -14.0�C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1011 hPa (Steady). Winter Weather Advisory in effect until 6 am CST Thursday... |
17:32 | chris | morning |
17:32 | owen | Hi chris |
17:32 | chris_n | heya chris |
17:33 | oceb | how i can put my location info? D= |
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17:36 | * chris | is trying to figure out what sessions to go to today |
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17:49 | masonj | chris: hopefully see you at/after the keynote |
17:50 | schuster | have a great day everyone... |
17:50 | @wunder 75074 | |
17:50 | munin | schuster: The current temperature in Brookview, Plano, Texas is 18.6�C (11:45 AM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 29.00 in 981.9 hPa (Falling). |
17:50 | schuster | I'm off to play for the afternoon! |
17:51 | chris | sounds good masonj |
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17:51 | owen | I'd do like schuster if I had his weather |
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18:09 | wizzyrea_ | huh, http://api.jquery.com/ changed from mediawiki to wordpress for their CMS. |
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18:18 | jwagner | gmcharlt, still around? |
18:18 | gmcharlt | jwagner: what's up? |
18:19 | jwagner | I think I remember you saying you were going to push a bunch of patches to the current head -- has that happened? |
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18:19 | jwagner | One of our developers wants to get the latest head with all the patches/bugfixes. |
18:20 | gmcharlt | look for it over the weekend |
18:20 | jwagner | OK, I'll tell him. Thanks. |
18:20 | gmcharlt | the dev can also take a gander at the biblibre 3.2_community branch |
18:24 | jwagner | OK. |
18:26 | chris | register trademarks?????? |
18:27 | wizzyrea_: you might need to have a chat with your boss, i fear in order to move things along he is gonna start another set of worries | |
18:27 | wizzyrea_ | erm... I think that was a list of things that a foundation could (but KUDOS won't, necessarily) |
18:27 | do | |
18:28 | don't read too much into it | |
18:28 | he's in agreement | |
18:28 | more along the lines of "get a move on and get it done" | |
18:29 | chris | ppl need to be more careful with words is all im saying |
18:29 | wizzyrea_ | KUDOS doesn't have any interest that I know of to register any trademarks regarding koha |
18:30 | sekjal | we have never mentioned trademarks at all in any of the discussions I've been in on |
18:30 | wizzyrea_ | he's an administrator, he is simply referring to the things a foundation *can* do |
18:30 | and in order to do them, you must have the foundation | |
18:30 | chris | cool, now anyone who reads the irc logs knows that, but anyone who reads the mailing list could be confused into thinking KUDOS is the foundation |
18:31 | sekjal | that's easy enough to fix... one sec |
18:31 | chris | thanks sekjal |
18:31 | its always easier to stop arguments before they start :) | |
18:32 | wizzyrea_ | rather, a non profit 501c3 agency |
18:33 | Ropuch | Evening #koha |
18:33 | chris | hiya Ropuch |
18:35 | sekjal | email sent. time for a meeting. bbl |
18:36 | sekjal is now known as sekjal-away | |
18:36 | chris | sekjal+++ |
18:36 | sekjal++ | |
18:36 | even | |
18:38 | owen is now known as owen-away | |
18:50 | chris | ok bus time |
18:51 | wizzyrea_ | gl with the bus |
18:59 | owen-away is now known as owen | |
19:00 | * chris_n | takes a deep breath and presses the 'send' button |
19:01 | chris_n | perhaps /me should have read the buffer first :-) |
19:03 | wizzyrea_ | heh |
19:04 | jim's grown, he can take it, though I'm sure that he didn't actually mean it in the way it's being read | |
19:04 | * chris_n | has had that happen before too |
19:05 | wizzyrea_ | he said the magic word "trademark" |
19:05 | and "foundation" | |
19:05 | * wizzyrea_ | shudders |
19:05 | chris_n | the community is a bit sensitive atm |
19:05 | wizzyrea_ | heh, yea |
19:07 | and by "sure" I know that he knows about the HLT/Official Foundation situation, more importantly comprehends the importance of that effort, and even more importantly respects that there is a need for it | |
19:07 | and you all don't know this, but he's set up several non profit foundations in his career | |
19:08 | *helped to set up | |
19:08 | yea, he's my boss, but he's not a nub. | |
19:09 | he is, and we are, committed to the principles of free software, and we have every interest in seeing Koha succeed. | |
19:09 | there. I'm done. | |
19:09 | :) | |
19:10 | * chris_n | applauds |
19:35 | * jwagner | thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-) |
19:35 | gmcharlt | jwagner++ |
19:36 | wizzyrea_ | owen: what do you think about the following screenshot, how can we make this display better |
19:36 | http://screencast.com/t/M2RlNTY0 | |
19:36 | jwagner | That just made my afternoon! |
19:37 | wizzyrea_ | the items display is what I'm referring to |
19:37 | on bibs that have lots of items, the results list is very... icky | |
19:37 | owen | To say the least |
19:37 | wizzyrea_ | or maybe that's fixed in more recent versions |
19:37 | owen | Not that I know of |
19:37 | jwagner | I'm not owen, but I think it would be better if the items list was just another line after the bib display instead of in a separate column. That would give it a much wider table cell to run across. |
19:38 | chris_n | @quote add jwagner thinks true joy is not wanting to do a telecon, and finding out the other person has forgotten about it & left for the day :-) |
19:38 | munin | chris_n: The operation succeeded. Quote #51 added. |
19:38 | wizzyrea_ | well, it shows several things that it may not need to |
19:38 | jwagner | chris_n, you had to do that, didn't you :-( |
19:38 | wizzyrea_ | why does it show the call number for checked out items, for example |
19:38 | it's out, you're not going to find it | |
19:39 | owen | ...not that that buys you much space |
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19:39 | richard | hi |
19:40 | wizzyrea_ | true, but what if you 1. used the library short name instead of full name, 2. removed the call number 3. changed date due: to Due only for on loan items |
19:40 | jwagner | wizzyrea, this is staff side, correct? Is there any value to even showing the call numbers at this stage? Maybe just a Library A (7 copies), Library B (2 copies) etc. |
19:41 | wizzyrea_ | well I was wondering about that too |
19:41 | I think that for AVAILABLE items it doesn't hurt to show a lot of info | |
19:41 | but for checked out or lost items... just as well to go to the bib detail | |
19:41 | to find out the dilly | |
19:41 | yes, thsi is the staff side | |
19:42 | oh and you've got shelving location in there too | |
19:42 | so axe that | |
19:42 | so, as an example | |
19:42 | on loan: Baldwin, Due 01/28/2010 | |
19:43 | Basehor, Due XXX | |
19:43 | etc | |
19:43 | 1-2 lines instead of 6 | |
19:44 | i'm more just curious if anyone else has an opinion on how it can be made better | |
19:44 | I know it's not a priority | |
19:44 | i'm willing to try to fix it myself, but don't want to do anything that would make people upset | |
19:44 | fix/change | |
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19:45 | owen | Needs a wider discussion |
19:46 | mgcleveland_ | wizzyrea_ you still there? |
19:46 | wizzyrea | yep |
19:46 | mgcleveland_ | ok I'm back |
19:46 | do you remember what we were talking about? | |
19:46 | wizzyrea | there are more people around now, you might go over your issue |
19:46 | again | |
19:46 | for their benefit | |
19:46 | but yes, I remember :) | |
19:46 | mgcleveland_ | will do |
19:47 | In a nutshell, my addbiblio.pl page is not working | |
19:47 | it works on other instances of Koha I have and the files, when diffed, are identical | |
19:47 | this leads me to believe it's a config or DB problem | |
19:48 | * jwagner | thinks "Curses, foiled again!" Others at the site called me to pick up the telecon! |
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19:52 | mgcleveland_ | sooooooooo |
19:52 | any ideas? | |
19:52 | wizzyrea | we know that you have libraries, and you're sure you have item types |
19:52 | mgcleveland_ | right, we've got branches |
19:53 | as for the item types, let me check | |
19:57 | well as I said, I'm a computer person | |
19:57 | hence the lag on figuring out the library stuff | |
19:59 | wizzyrea, could I find that by exploring the mysql DB? | |
20:00 | wizzyrea | more -> administration -> Item Types |
20:00 | mgcleveland_ | I == idiot |
20:00 | wizzyrea | mine looks like this, for example |
20:00 | http://screencast.com/t/ZWE1YmVkN | |
20:00 | mgcleveland_ | yep, we've got 3 |
20:01 | wizzyrea | okies |
20:01 | mgcleveland_ | so we've got branches and item types |
20:01 | wizzyrea | and you've got nothing in your koha error log and nothing in your apache log, and addbiblio.pl won't come up |
20:01 | mgcleveland_ | correct |
20:01 | you want to see a screenshot of addbiblio? | |
20:02 | wizzyrea | how are you getting to it, more -> cataloging -> new record? |
20:02 | mgcleveland_ | I click on the "Add MARC" link |
20:02 | it's under "Cataloging" | |
20:03 | wizzyrea | ok, if you do more -> cataloging -> new record what happens? |
20:03 | this is what mine looks like: http://screencast.com/t/ODVlMzg1Z | |
20:03 | mgcleveland_ | same thing happens |
20:03 | also, I think we may be using different versions of Koha | |
20:04 | let me see what mine is right quick | |
20:04 | wizzyrea | seems likely, in which case I probably can't help you |
20:04 | if you do more -> about koha what does it say in koha version | |
20:06 | I'm wondering if you don't have frameworks (though this may not be germane if you are not using 3.0 at least) | |
20:06 | http://screencast.com/t/ODVlMzg1Z | |
20:06 | because when you click the button, you should see frameworks | |
20:06 | mgcleveland_ | I have frameworks (I'm pretty sure) |
20:07 | when I go to biblio framework, I have default populated | |
20:07 | wizzyrea | I"m curious, can you add members/patrons? |
20:08 | to this install? | |
20:08 | mgcleveland_ | trying... |
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20:08 | wizzyrea | hi paul |
20:09 | jwagner | paul_p, what are you doing online this late? (Not that it's not good to see you, but....) |
20:10 | mgcleveland_ | wizzyrea, I can add patrons |
20:10 | paul_p | hi jwagner. Just updating some personal pictures & docs, and auto-logged on irc ;-) |
20:10 | wizzyrea | then it's not something to do with javascript, probably |
20:10 | mgcleveland_ | yeah I didn't think it was |
20:10 | no browser complaints, anyway | |
20:11 | wizzyrea | what version were you running? |
20:11 | mgcleveland_ | well I can't figure that damn thing out! |
20:11 | I think it's 2.2.9 | |
20:11 | wizzyrea | Ah |
20:11 | yea, I can't help you sorry lol I only know 3 | |
20:11 | mgcleveland_ | balls! |
20:11 | wizzyrea | hahaha |
20:12 | curious why you'd want to run 2.2.9 though | |
20:12 | mgcleveland_ | this is driving me crazy! |
20:12 | Not sure why we're on the older version | |
20:12 | I have an instance of 3 running | |
20:12 | but this is our production instance that has the problem | |
20:12 | * wizzyrea | sings "it's much beeeettter" |
20:12 | jwagner | paul_p, OK, you're forgiven :-) |
20:12 | mgcleveland_ | I know! |
20:12 | I know it's better! | |
20:12 | wizzyrea | :) |
20:12 | mgcleveland_ | maybe we didn't want to risk the problems that always come with migration |
20:13 | wizzyrea | yes, librarians like to hold on to that one |
20:13 | sorry I've never run 2.2.9 | |
20:13 | sekjal-away is now known as sekjal | |
20:13 | wizzyrea | well, that's not true exactly |
20:14 | mgcleveland_ | also, we're serving ours in Persian |
20:14 | wizzyrea | but I've never run it seriously |
20:14 | mgcleveland_ | and there is no translation for 3.0 |
20:14 | (i think) | |
20:14 | wizzyrea | Ahh, well that would do it too |
20:14 | mgcleveland_ | yeah |
20:14 | balls again! | |
20:15 | so is 2.2.9 not supported any more? | |
20:15 | wizzyrea | you could always get someone to do a translation, or help get one started |
20:15 | mgcleveland_ | we actually are working on it |
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20:15 | wizzyrea | Yay! |
20:15 | mgcleveland_ | I think my boss is dealing with that aspect of the project |
20:15 | yeah | |
20:16 | wizzyrea | it is, but there are a lot more people using 3.0.x than 2.2.9 |
20:16 | mgcleveland_ | shoot |
20:16 | well I can start migrating the data to our sandbox 3.0.x instance and see how that goes | |
20:19 | chris | back |
20:20 | and in the keynote .. by glynn moody ... its awesome so far | |
20:20 | mgcleveland_ | chris |
20:20 | do you know much about 2.2.x? | |
20:20 | wizzyrea | (yea, if anybody were to know about it, it would likely be chris) |
20:20 | mgcleveland_ | woo hoo! |
20:20 | chris | cant really talk at the moment, busy listening |
20:20 | mgcleveland_ | oh ok |
20:20 | chris | i do know you shouldnt use it |
20:20 | :) | |
20:20 | mgcleveland_ | i know i know! |
20:21 | let me know when you have a minute, I have a weird situation | |
20:21 | chris | unfortunately im at a conference all day, and all tomorrow |
20:21 | so drop me an email | |
20:21 | chrisbigballofwax.co.nz | |
20:21 | mgcleveland_ | ok, yeah that would be great |
20:21 | thanks! | |
20:22 | * chris_n | designs a cool looking new search box for his opac header and tries desperately to get the css to behave :-P |
20:23 | * wizzyrea | smacks chris_n's CSS into submission. Get! In! Your! Place! |
20:23 | owen | If only smacking it helped. |
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20:23 | chris | http://www.lca2010.org.nz/prog[…]chedule/video/mfc |
20:24 | jwagner | owen, it depends on the size of the baseball bat (or other implement) you use to DO the smacking :-) |
20:24 | chris | if anyone wants to listen to glynn explain why sharing is so important |
20:24 | wizzyrea | me me oh me |
20:29 | chris_n | owen: what are the 'translControl' div's ? |
20:30 | wizzyrea: that must have worked, 'cause it just dropped into place ;-) | |
20:31 | chris | jim kent, saved us from the human genes being patented ... free software ftw |
20:31 | wizzyrea | my coworkers claim I have an aura... |
20:31 | I didn't know it worked over the internet too. | |
20:32 | an aura that makes computers behave in my presence, that is. | |
20:32 | I don't believe it but eh | |
20:32 | owen | chris_n: I'm not exactly sure what they do, but they're related to googleindictransliteration.js |
20:33 | chris | thats freaking awesome, GNU/Linux saved (most) of the human genome from gene patents |
20:33 | mgcleveland_ | hey wizzy |
20:33 | wizzyrea | yes? |
20:33 | mgcleveland_ | would addbiblio.pl be the same code in 3.0.x and 2.2.x? |
20:33 | wizzyrea | i'm guessing no |
20:33 | mgcleveland_ | hmmm |
20:33 | that's weird | |
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20:33 | mgcleveland_ | because I think my working instance is 3.0.x |
20:34 | wizzyrea | hard to say without knowing for sure |
20:34 | mgcleveland_ | yeah it is |
20:34 | and I diffed that with my production instance and they were the same | |
20:34 | aaahh! | |
20:34 | (no revelation) | |
20:35 | * chris_n | thinks his genes are copyrighted in any case ;-) |
20:35 | wizzyrea | maybe the revelation is that addbiblio.pl needs to be reverted to a 2.2.9 version |
20:35 | mgcleveland_ | hahaha |
20:35 | chris_n | what she said |
20:35 | I find it highly unlikely that the two would be the same | |
20:36 | mgcleveland_ | I'm sure I have the addbiblio.pl of the correct instance |
20:36 | i just don't know which version the production instance is!~ | |
20:36 | and I can't find it anywhere! | |
20:36 | wizzyrea | well... you have a weird problem, and an even wierder code congruency on possibly completely different versions |
20:37 | that's just a recipe for wierdness if I've ever heard one | |
20:37 | mgcleveland_ | hahaha |
20:37 | is there anywhere in the source code/DB where I can see which version I have? | |
20:37 | * wizzyrea | does not know 2.2.9 |
20:37 | mgcleveland_ | btw, we also have a weird theme, so everything is hard to find |
20:37 | what about in 3.0.x? | |
20:37 | wizzyrea | mg, which library do you work for? |
20:38 | mgcleveland_ | I'm suspicious that we actually are running 3.0.x |
20:38 | University of Arizona | |
20:38 | I'm a student | |
20:38 | :) | |
20:38 | chris_n | mgcleveland: you can try opening your production addbiblio.pl in a text editor and see if the version is noted there |
20:38 | wizzyrea | O.o Ah |
20:38 | mgcleveland_ | I have root access to the code |
20:38 | i'll just check the code directly | |
20:38 | chris | go to the about.pl page |
20:38 | http://your.staff.interface/cgi-bin/koha/about.pl | |
20:38 | mgcleveland_ | chris! |
20:38 | nice! | |
20:38 | * chris_n | jumps back into the CSS pool for more fun |
20:39 | chris | and/or look in the db |
20:39 | mgcleveland_ | it is 2.2.9 |
20:39 | I think our theme has no link to about.pl | |
20:39 | >( | |
20:39 | chris | systempreferences table has a version number (if its 3.0.0 or later) |
20:39 | wizzyrea | aside, I didn't realize uni of ariz. was doing much with koha |
20:39 | mgcleveland_ | it's a special project |
20:39 | I'm not working on the library's main site | |
20:40 | it's a grant we've been working on for a few years | |
20:40 | partnering with Kabul University in Afghanistan | |
20:40 | chris | what you should do |
20:40 | is get someone working on translate.koha.org | |
20:40 | mgcleveland_ | we do have them doing that |
20:40 | at least we started on it | |
20:41 | wizzyrea | and move it to 3.0 (or 3.2, which is relatively imminent) |
20:41 | mgcleveland_ | we're a little overwhelmed with work and fulfilling the grant expectations |
20:41 | chris | yeah |
20:41 | mgcleveland_ | agreed |
20:41 | chris | http://translate.koha.org/fa/ hasnt changed in a while |
20:41 | mgcleveland_ | not farsi |
20:41 | persian | |
20:41 | or is it listed as farsi? | |
20:41 | I can't remember | |
20:41 | I don't do the farsi stuff | |
20:42 | my boss and some coworkers do that | |
20:42 | chris | that is persian |
20:42 | mgcleveland_ | my favorite languages are C, C++, etc... |
20:42 | :) | |
20:43 | chris | i think its a bit late now, but i suspect this a good example of why getting involved in the community early vs later is a good idea |
20:43 | mgcleveland_ | yeah |
20:43 | wizzyrea | yes, definitely, a very good example |
20:43 | mgcleveland_ | well this was working for a long time |
20:43 | chris | *nod* |
20:43 | mgcleveland_ | and suddenly isn't |
20:43 | wizzyrea | ... what changed? |
20:44 | mgcleveland_ | I'm not sure |
20:44 | chris | and if it had been committed back (the translation etc) then 3.0 would have it |
20:44 | mgcleveland_ | I wish i knew! |
20:44 | oh you're talking about the translation | |
20:44 | chris | and any code mods |
20:44 | mgcleveland_ | is that the project that uses pootle? |
20:44 | chris | silos = bad |
20:45 | mgcleveland_: yeah we use pootle for translating koha | |
20:45 | * chris | is currently translation manager |
20:45 | mgcleveland_ | gotcha, yeah like I said I'm not involved with the translation part |
20:45 | maybe you've spoken with my boss then, I know he contacted someone about it | |
20:45 | Yan Han is his name | |
20:46 | wizzyrea | do a lot of people have superlibrarian access? or access to the system? |
20:46 | owen | Proof that silos are bad: http://www.theconcentrium.com/[…]ns/Silo/00cap.jpg |
20:46 | mgcleveland_ | nope |
20:46 | ^^wizzyrea | |
20:46 | chris | ah yeah, i have talked with him |
20:46 | mgcleveland_ | haha, cool! |
20:46 | small world | |
20:46 | wizzyrea | there aren't many people in the koha world that chris hasn't talked to lol |
20:46 | mgcleveland_ | haha, a celebrity! |
20:47 | ok guys, well I appreciate your help | |
20:47 | I may be back tomorrow | |
20:47 | wizzyrea | well, i encourage you to think about what has changed |
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20:47 | wizzyrea | have a beer, relax your mind, the answer will come |
20:47 | mgcleveland_ | wizzyrea: agreed |
20:47 | haha | |
20:47 | wizzyrea | :) |
20:48 | mgcleveland_ | it's only 1:45pm! |
20:48 | 3.75 hours to go! | |
20:48 | haha | |
20:48 | adios! | |
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20:49 | CGI487 | hi everybody |
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20:49 | CGI487 | I am trying to make zebra run as a daemon on suse linux but still can't |
20:50 | anyone here install koha 3.0.5 on suse linux ? | |
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20:53 | owen | Do the CGI* people have no patience, or are they more prone to flaky connections? |
20:54 | chris | both |
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21:11 | chris_n | here's a screenshot of some of the opac customizations I've been working on for the library here |
21:11 | http://www.screencast.com/t/ZjU0OGRiNz | |
21:12 | wizzyrea | oh that's beautiful chris_n |
21:12 | owen | Very nice |
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21:13 | chris_n | tnx |
21:13 | and especially to owen's blogs and the npl website (which I have combed through with firebug to pickup tips) | |
21:14 | owen | I wonder if PTFS will continue "Koha Express?" |
21:14 | On the one hand, it seems to fill a need for small libraries who don't want to invest too much | |
21:14 | wizzyrea | I hope they at least give it a different name |
21:14 | owen | On the other hand, PTFS doesn't have to compete in the same way LibLime [felt they] did |
21:15 | wizzyrea | always makes me think of coffee |
21:16 | sekjal | I'm still keen to get a turnkeylinux application of Koha going on. Download, slap on some (virtual) machine somewhere, and play |
21:16 | I think the difficulty is in the details with that, though | |
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21:20 | wizzyrea | yes, I like that idea too sekjal |
21:21 | or launch that puppy to the cloud | |
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21:22 | wizzyrea | they have super funky music on the webcast from linux conf AU |
21:22 | I dig | |
21:24 | chris_n | looks like owen 's running a patch mill today :-) |
21:26 | wizzyrea | owen++ |
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21:29 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: I wonder whether Kyle patches for patroncards and rotating collections should get into Community. |
21:29 | It was sent on patches. | |
21:29 | And was welcome. | |
21:29 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: I agree, it should |
21:29 | hdl_laptop | ok. |
21:29 | it looks smooth enough to enter. | |
21:30 | chris_n | bbl |
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21:45 | masonj | . |
21:45 | BobB | Hi Mason, you there? |
21:45 | masonj | yes i am :) |
21:48 | BobB: moo | |
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21:51 | masonj | chris: moof |
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22:04 | chris | bug3000 |
22:04 | bug 3000 | |
22:04 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3000 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Tool needed for catalogers (and other librarians) to bulk change itypes and collection codes |
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22:34 | wizzyrea | ok, that makes me feel happy and like squeeing |
22:35 | that's a very good feature | |
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22:59 | * chris_n2 | wonders which feature |
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23:49 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
23:49 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in Mankato, Minnesota is -2.0�C (5:35 PM CST on January 20, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: -8.0�C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009 hPa (Steady). |
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