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| 00:00 | chris_n2 | prior to reindexing zebra |
| 00:00 | someoneagain | woah strange |
| 00:00 | i would have assumed it would have been the other way around | |
| 00:00 | reaffirming my belief that zebra is voodoo | |
| 00:03 | chris_n2 | zebra just indexes certain fields of the bibs iirc |
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| 00:03 | * chris_n2 | is not a zebra handler, though |
| 00:03 | chris_n2 | throw me to the lions, but please not the zebras ;-) |
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| 00:05 | chris_n2 | clone->(pianohackr|work) |
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| 00:21 | * chris_n2 | hates it when a remote reboot fails on a server 15 miles away :-P |
| 00:37 | chris_n2 | bbiab |
| 00:39 | chris | better than 15,000 miles away :) |
| 00:52 | @wunder wellington nz | |
| 00:52 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 15.0�C (1:00 PM NZDT on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 00:56 | chris_n | hehe |
| 00:56 | from 15 miles away from chris_n2 | |
| 01:06 | Genji | okay, where is template language stored, in koha 3? what would cause en to be picked up, instead of ar-Arab? |
| 01:06 | For some things.. not all things.. | |
| 01:07 | chris | en is the default |
| 01:07 | if it cant find the arabic template | |
| 01:07 | it will drop back to en | |
| 01:07 | chris_n | and we're back up |
| 01:08 | chris | also, it respects the languages setting of a persons browser |
| 01:08 | chris_n | fsck threw and error on boot and the system dropped into maintenance mode |
| 01:08 | chris | if they havent picked a language in the opac explicitly, it will try to give them the one their browser is asking for |
| 01:08 | chris_n: yeah, ILOM are the win for that | |
| 01:09 | or even an serial port -> ethernet and have console to serial port :) | |
| 01:10 | chris_n | sadly, @INC is not fixed |
| 01:10 | chris | bummer |
| 01:10 | * chris_n | cannot figure out what happened there |
| 01:11 | chris_n | it appears that @INC is hardcoded in the perl binary (from what little I could extract from #perl-help) |
| 01:12 | but if there were an issue with the .deb, the roof would be off by now | |
| 01:12 | so how to roll back to 5.10.0 | |
| 01:13 | * chris_n | heads back home |
| 01:13 | chris_n | bbiab |
| 01:41 | chris_n2 | would cpan'ing Storable actually cpan Perl? |
| 01:43 | chris | thats a definite maybe |
| 01:49 | chris_n2 | aha |
| 01:49 | 216:2010-01-12 12:10:46 upgrade perl 5.10.0-22 5.10.1-8 | |
| 01:49 | that stinks | |
| 01:50 | it looks like it was a dep of a perl module I installed | |
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| 02:51 | chris_n2 | g'night #koha |
| 02:51 | brendan | night chris_n2 |
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| 03:34 | Amit | hi brendan, chris |
| 03:34 | morning #koha | |
| 03:34 | brendan | Hi Amit |
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| 05:34 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 05:34 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.0�C (9:31 PM PST on January 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 81%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019.5 hPa (Steady). High surf advisory in effect from 8 PM this evening to 9 am PST Friday... |
| 05:34 | brendan | @wunder 06516 |
| 05:34 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Third Avenue Park, West Haven, Connecticut is -6.5�C (12:09 AM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 42%. Dew Point: -17.0�C. Windchill: -10.0�C. Pressure: 30.14 in 1020.5 hPa (Rising). |
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| 06:40 | CGI828 | hi when I try to import record via z39.50 and want to add it it show '003 is not filled' |
| 06:41 | wht should I do | |
| 06:41 | If fill manually then it accept and save | |
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| 07:13 | brendan | evening all |
| 07:13 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 07:13 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 13.1�C (11:06 PM PST on January 12, 2010). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.13 in 1020.2 hPa (Steady). High surf advisory in effect from 8 PM this evening to 9 am PST Friday... |
| 07:13 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 07:13 | brendan | hi Ropuch |
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| 09:42 | kf | hi #koha |
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| 09:48 | paul_p | hello everybody |
| 09:49 | kf | hi paul_p |
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| 10:16 | Amit | hi nicomo |
| 10:40 | nicomo | hi Amit |
| 11:16 | kf | hi Amit and nicomo |
| 11:17 | Amit | heya kf |
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| 12:59 | brendan | morning all |
| 13:00 | paul_p | hi brendan |
| 13:00 | brendan | good morning paul_p |
| 13:01 | happy belated birthday! | |
| 13:02 | paul_p | thanks brendan ;-) |
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| 13:23 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 13:23 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 11.6�C (5:17 AM PST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 89%. Dew Point: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.08 in 1018.5 hPa (Rising). Coastal Flood Advisory in effect until 1 PM PST this afternoon... |
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| 13:29 | brendan | morning owen |
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| 13:32 | * chris_n | thinks brendan has been up for a while |
| 13:32 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
| 13:32 | Nate | hello everyone! |
| 13:32 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 13:32 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is -3.0�C (8:27 AM EST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: -9.0�C. Windchill: -3.0�C. Pressure: 30.00 in 1015.8 hPa (Rising). |
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| 13:33 | brendan | morning chris_n |
| 13:34 | yup been up - the rain woke me up a little while ago (very loud) | |
| 13:35 | chris_n | we have a metal roof and at times it is nice... other times deafening |
| 13:36 | brendan | oh man - I don't think I've ever get any sleep with a metal roof and a rain storm... |
| 13:56 | owen | Hey all |
| 13:59 | chris_n | howdy owen |
| 14:03 | brendan | hi owen |
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| 14:10 | someoneagain | so when trying to run ./rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b i got this error |
| 14:10 | Can't locate C4/Context.pm in @INC | |
| 14:10 | so i found that the Context.pm was in koha/lib/C4 and ran this | |
| 14:10 | perl -I /data/koha/lib/ rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b | |
| 14:11 | it worked but i guess my question is- is that normal? should /data/koha/lib be in perls @INC ? | |
| 14:12 | toins | someoneagain: try this : export PERL5LIB="/data/koha/lib/" and then rebuild_zebra.pl -r -v -a -b |
| 14:12 | someoneagain: yes /data/koha/lib/ should be in perl5lib | |
| 14:12 | someoneagain | weird... i have this in my /etc/rc.local |
| 14:12 | export PERL5LIB=/data/koha/lib & | |
| 14:13 | but if i type export |grep PERL i get no returns... uh.. | |
| 14:14 | is that not the right way to set a variable? putting it in /etc/rc.local ? | |
| 14:15 | toins | someoneagain: not sure... what is your OS ? |
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| 14:16 | someoneagain | centos 5.4 |
| 14:16 | Linux library 2.6.18-164.el5 #1 SMP Thu Sep 3 03:33:56 EDT 2009 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux | |
| 14:17 | toins | someoneagain: you can set this env var in ~/.bashrc |
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| 14:19 | someoneagain | ive been tinkering with unix/linux for a few years, but ill admit im not at all fluent. i was under the impression that anything in the ~/.bashrc only gets executed when that user logs in, right? if that is so, what i was curious about is this- does perl always need to know to look in /data/koha/lib even when noone is logged in? thats why i thought /etc/rc.local would have made it systemwide, that is to say, even if noone |
| 14:22 | chris_n | someoneagain: koha-httpd.conf handles the envar for Koha |
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| 14:23 | chris_n | you need to include the export statements in your user .bashrc if you want them to load automatically |
| 14:23 | else you need to export prior to running the cli scripts | |
| 14:23 | toins | chris_n : but zebra isn't running under apache vhost... |
| 14:23 | chris_n | koha-conf.xml has the pathing zebra needs to run iirc |
| 14:24 | plus, zebra does not use the C4 libs | |
| 14:24 | if you run rebuild_zebra.pl from crontab, you have to deal with KOHACONF and PERL5LIB, though | |
| 14:28 | kf | bye #koha |
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| 14:28 | chris_n | bye kf |
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| 14:37 | CGI454 | hi |
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| 15:05 | nengard | hi all - i won't be around for the meeting this afternoon so I'm posting my newsletter notes in the agenda - just fyi |
| 15:11 | magnus | the meeting is in about 4 hours, right? |
| 15:14 | nengard | yes |
| 15:16 | * owen | has to be at another meeting then :( |
| 15:18 | nengard | seems like today is a busy day for all |
| 15:18 | i'm split 100 ways today | |
| 15:18 | in a webinar right now - chatting with you all - and doing my work work :) | |
| 15:23 | schuster | what webinar are you in? Always interested in what others are "watching/hearing"... |
| 15:24 | owen | Maybe it's on how to do three things at once |
| 15:24 | brendan | heh |
| 15:24 | schuster | brendan is here! It's probably a company meeting... LOL!!!! |
| 15:25 | brendan | good morning schuster |
| 15:25 | I'm getting ready to catch a flight - so I'll be missing the meeting too, unless my plane has got wi-fi | |
| 15:25 | I maybe able to catch a little bit of it during my layover... | |
| 15:27 | schuster | I believe the KUDOS board is going to post the agenda and some discussion points later today or tomorrow to spur discussion on Saturday about membership etc... FYI. |
| 15:30 | nengard | schuster - learning about zotero - i don't know enough of how to use it yet |
| 15:31 | brendan Delta has wi fi - | |
| 15:31 | brendan | oh cool I'm flying delta |
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| 15:33 | schuster | Ah yes zotero - good tool, but saves to the hard drive rather than virtually read an article today about syncing your hard drive to their server today. |
| 15:34 | nengard | schuster - new version saves to the web |
| 15:34 | it's in beta | |
| 15:34 | schuster | do you twitter? what is your sceen name? I've got an app for my iphone since I can't get it at work... |
| 15:34 | beta automatically or you have to sync? | |
| 15:37 | nengard | schuster - don't know havent installed it yet |
| 15:37 | and yes i twitter -- nengard | |
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| 15:39 | nengard | also follow kohails on twitter |
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| 15:48 | wizzyrea | wow you guys are quiet |
| 15:51 | schuster | waiting for you to say something profound...;) |
| 15:51 | wizzyrea | I climbed to the top of the mountain and saw the Yogi. He told me "Go back down" |
| 15:52 | nicomo | wizzyrea: that wasn't in KS, right? |
| 15:52 | too flat, I guess | |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | hey, we have hills |
| 15:52 | nicomo | oh? |
| 15:52 | sorry, didn't know :-) | |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | it's ok :D |
| 15:53 | nicomo | put that down on my Europeo-centrism |
| 15:53 | * nicomo | suspects that's not an English word... |
| 15:53 | schuster | hills are very different than mountains... A snow drift doesn't count...;) |
| 15:53 | nicomo | eh eh |
| 15:53 | * paul_p | is on a page saying "clic 'Order' once you have filled your credit card #, but can't find any button saying 'order' ... |
| 15:54 | owen | nicomo: In face wizzyrea lives in the only part of Kansas with its own "mountain" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Oread |
| 15:56 | nicomo | owen: right, up about 150 feet from downtown Lawrence, culminating at 1037 feet |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | Schuster: like you can talk, texas boy :) |
| 15:58 | nicomo | interesting |
| 15:58 | * nicomo | improving his English, now knows that "hill" and "road bump" are synonyms ? |
| 15:58 | nicomo | ok, I stop teasing |
| 15:58 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 15:59 | nicomo: I like you | |
| 16:01 | nicomo | wizzyrea: funnily enough, Lyon where I live culminates at exactly 1000 feet also |
| 16:01 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyon | |
| 16:02 | collum | Hey. Texas has mountains. Just a short 8 hour drive from schuster |
| 16:04 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 16:04 | that is a strange coincidence of geography, nicomo | |
| 16:05 | schuster | I'm really a South Dakota/Minnesota boy - Black hills... Big rocks out of the ground... hmmm how did those presidents get up there... |
| 16:08 | nengard | News from ByWater/BibLibre this morning: http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=312 |
| 16:08 | nicomo | yeah, way cool, this is going to be an interesting day |
| 16:08 | ByWater and BibLibre Announce Partnership to Provide Services for #Koha Users in the U.S. See http://bit.ly/680MQG and http://bit.ly/6yzobr | |
| 16:08 | and with that I have to go get my daughter, bbl | |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | oh that is exciting |
| 16:10 | paul_p | 1st breaking news of the days ;-) |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | woo! |
| 16:10 | paul_p | do you think it was one of the "Expect some ILS news tomorrow" twit from mbreeding? ;-) |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 16:19 | nengard | paul_p - somehow I missed that yesterday -I follow too many people |
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| 17:07 | * chris_n | goes off in search of food |
| 17:07 | owen | May you fell a mighty beast chris_n |
| 17:07 | chris | http://blog.bigballofwax.co.nz[…]re-partner-in-us/ |
| 17:08 | yay! | |
| 17:09 | nengard | :) |
| 17:09 | my favorite part? --- "full, open and honest participation." | |
| 17:11 | chris | it's my favourite part too ;) |
| 17:11 | * owen | is happy for some good news |
| 17:17 | chris | yup |
| 17:20 | what time is the meeting? | |
| 17:20 | just under 2 hours? | |
| 17:21 | nengard | 2pm EST :) ... um .... 19:00 UTC |
| 17:21 | yes | |
| 17:21 | under 2 hours | |
| 17:21 | chris | dangit |
| 17:21 | i think ill have to miss a chunk of it | |
| 17:21 | normally i go into work a bit later, but have a rl meeting .. so cant do that | |
| 17:24 | Ropuch | I have a meeting at 18:00 UTC, hope it won't last long |
| 17:24 | chris | owen are you gonna be at the meeting? |
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| 17:26 | zico | hi |
| 17:27 | i am implementing "new and upcoming" feature in my koha 3.0.5 system | |
| 17:27 | you know.. "new & upcoming" feature means... it will show some book`s front page in my OPAC | |
| 17:27 | is there anyone who can help me a little | |
| 17:27 | i created amazon aws private key..... created database | |
| 17:28 | but.. facing some little bit problem | |
| 17:28 | is there anyone ..who can help me? | |
| 17:28 | chris | are you following owens blog? |
| 17:29 | zico | which blog? |
| 17:30 | chris | http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=74 |
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| 17:36 | chris_n | heya chris |
| 17:40 | Nate | hiya everyone |
| 17:40 | thanks for the post chris | |
| 17:40 | exciting times we are in! | |
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| 17:40 | chris_n | congrats to Biblibre && Bywater |
| 17:41 | Nate | thanks chris_n! |
| 17:42 | paul_p | thanks chris_n |
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| 17:44 | zico | chris: i followed this one: http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624 |
| 17:44 | but.. your given one... i can see that.. i need to populate my database | |
| 17:45 | but... how can i populate my database? i mean, with which data? | |
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| 17:50 | owen | zico: My blog post leaves out that information because it would get too technical and too far from being about Koha |
| 17:51 | I built a custom PHP interface for adding titles to that database. You could even use a GUI like phpMyAdmin if you wanted | |
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| 17:59 | chris_n | am I missing something or does the web-installer totally redirect script errors to the browser so they are not logged in the error log? |
| 18:00 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yes, upgrade errors do get redirected to the browser |
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| 18:01 | chris_n | methinks they should also go to the log for later reference |
| 18:08 | Ropuch | Yup |
| 18:09 | nengard | k - time for me to go get ready to teach my class - i'll talk to you all later - owen has my notes about documentation manager -- and I put my newsletter notes on the agenda |
| 18:09 | talk to you all later | |
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| 18:14 | zico | hello |
| 18:15 | chris: i followed http://www.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/node/624 doc before | |
| 18:15 | now.. from your given doc.. i can see that.. i need to "populate my database" with biblionumber | |
| 18:16 | now.. my question is... how can i populate my *this* database?? | |
| 18:16 | can you help me a little? | |
| 18:17 | chris | you missed owens answer before, it was blog |
| 18:17 | 06:49 < owen> zico: My blog post leaves out that information because it would get too technical and too far from being about Koha | |
| 18:17 | 06:50 < owen> I built a custom PHP interface for adding titles to that database. You could even use a GUI like phpMyAdmin if you wanted | |
| 18:18 | * chris | has to go now, bbl |
| 18:19 | zico | i used phpmyadmin |
| 18:19 | but, i just want to know that, how can i populate my *new* database with biblio number? | |
| 18:20 | do i need to import the biblio number individually from koha & need to paste it in *this* database? | |
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| 18:36 | cait | hi #koha |
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| 18:46 | owen-away | zico: Yes, the new titles database is separate from Koha. It duplicates information in Koha. |
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| 18:50 | owen | zico and I don't seem to be having much luck today |
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| 18:50 | joetho | hi owen |
| 18:50 | owen | Hi joetho |
| 18:50 | joetho | reely beeg news, eh |
| 18:51 | potential ecstaticness here | |
| 18:51 | meeting here in 10 min, correct? | |
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| 18:51 | joetho | i want a Free The Owen Guy tshirt |
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| 18:55 | nahuel__ | joetho, yep |
| 18:55 | cait | news? |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | it's official - http://www.ptfs.com/company/pr[…]e.aspx?pressId=81 |
| 18:57 | nahuel__ | wow |
| 18:57 | cait | wow |
| 18:58 | nahuel__ | seems to be great for koha |
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| 19:00 | cait | what will happen to lek? |
| 19:00 | owen | I think there's no way of knowing yet |
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| 19:00 | owen | "committed to resolving community differences" is encouraging |
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| 19:01 | nahuel__ | :) |
| 19:01 | BobB | Good morning all, what have we missed? |
| 19:01 | zico | owen: that means, do i need to take my "biblionumber" from koha database and import it into my *this upcoming database*? |
| 19:01 | owen | zico: yes |
| 19:01 | cait | oh, i overread tat |
| 19:02 | that | |
| 19:02 | nahuel__ | BobB, nothing, just http://www.ptfs.com/company/pr[…]e.aspx?pressId=81 |
| 19:02 | Genji | Whos Ptfs? anyone in koha-devel that works there? |
| 19:02 | owen | jdavidb and jwagner |
| 19:02 | Genji | Sweet! |
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| 19:03 | gmcharlt | greetings all |
| 19:03 | it's 19;00 UTC | |
| 19:03 | * chris_n | looks around for the ptfs folks |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | let's get this meeting started |
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| 19:03 | nahuel__ | 19:01 :p |
| 19:03 | BobB | OMG! |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | let's start with a roll call |
| 19:04 | * gmcharlt | = Galen Charlton, 3.2 RM |
| 19:04 | owen | Owen Leonard, Nelsonville Public Library |
| 19:04 | davi | Davi Diaz, worker for software.coop (slef is in another meeting) |
| 19:04 | Nate | Nate Curulla EVP ByWater Solutions |
| 19:04 | * chris_n | = Chris Nighswonger ,FBC |
| 19:04 | schuster | David Schuster - Plano ISD |
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| 19:04 | wizzyrea | Liz Rea - NEKLS |
| 19:04 | * nahuel__ | = Nahuel ANGELINETTI, BibLibre |
| 19:04 | tajoli | Zeno Tajoli, CILEA (Italy) |
| 19:04 | * Ropuch | Piotr Wejman, Biblioteka CSNE |
| 19:04 | IrmaCalyx | Irma Birchall - CALYX information essentials |
| 19:04 | cait | Katrin Fischer, BSZ Germany |
| 19:04 | BobB | Bob, Calyx |
| 19:04 | thd | Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City. |
| 19:05 | magnus | Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
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| 19:06 | Genji | Waylon Roberton, Palmerston North, New Zealand. Ind. Contractee, with one client so far. |
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| 19:06 | zico | owen: "biblionumber" is a table in "koha" database |
| 19:07 | nahuel__ | zico, a column, not a table |
| 19:07 | zico | is it possible to import a table in my new "bibliodb" database? |
| 19:07 | owen | zico: You'll have to hold your questions until after our meeting |
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| 19:08 | zico | oh! is there a meeting going on?? i am sorry then |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | agenda can be found here - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes10jan13 |
| 19:08 | zico | please let me know.. when you are free.. i am waiting |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | first item - 3.2 - I will be doing a massive pull/push from the BibLibre 3.2 branch after ALA, i.e., after the 18th, and that will become the basis of 3.2 alpha |
| 19:09 | I'll be branching 3.2, and opening trunk so that the 3.4 RM can start accepting patches for HEAD | |
| 19:10 | with the news that was just announced, I am hopeful that we'll be able to deal some issues like getting release tarballs put up with less muss-and-fuss than we had in the past | |
| 19:10 | paul_p | hello world, sorry for being a little bit late |
| 19:10 | owen | gmcharlt: Does that mean that in the meantime we should be doing testing/patching against BibLibre's "community" branch? |
| 19:11 | gmcharlt | owen: that would be a good idea, yes, although there will undoubted be some bug fixes to deal with after the merge takes place |
| 19:12 | move on, next item is 3.0 - as hdl isn't here, any comments on that, paul_p ? | |
| 19:12 | nahuel__ | gmcharlt, when the alpha will be released ? |
| 19:13 | gmcharlt | nahuel_____________ ;) - 25 January |
| 19:13 | chris | back |
| 19:13 | nahuel__ | okay great |
| 19:13 | else for koha 3.0 we are still fixing stuff | |
| 19:13 | paul_p | about 3.0 : hdl commited some patches on 3.0.x recently. I don't know if he plans to release a 3.0.6 (and he won't be here today, in a train) |
| 19:14 | tajoli | Is not too early to open 3.4 immediately after 3.2 alpha ? |
| 19:14 | gmcharlt | tajoli: yes, 3.4 can be opened immediately once 3.2 alpha is out |
| 19:15 | moving onward (since I want to get us to the 3.4 discussion quickly), I don't think there are any particular action items from the previous meeting | |
| 19:15 | nahuel__ | We are sending all patches to patches mailing list |
| 19:15 | gmcharlt | so let's move on to #4, wiki relicensing |
| 19:15 | paul_p | we already have x00 patches to submit into 3.4 branch |
| 19:15 | tajoli | But the code of 3.2 could change a lot from alpha to first stable. |
| 19:16 | paul_p | all the devs we did for University of Lyon3, that you can see on git.biblibre.com, branch lyon3 |
| 19:16 | tajoli | Or git is so magic ? |
| 19:16 | thd | from the previous meeting I could say something about wiki content relicensing |
| 19:16 | paul_p | tajoli: in fact, the 'alpha' will already be a close-to-final release |
| 19:16 | nahuel__ | for the 3.0.6 I think hdl will release "soon" a release, to have multiple little updates, instead of some big bugfix releases |
| 19:16 | gmcharlt | tajoli: code changes in 3.2 once alpha is relesed will be bugfixes only |
| 19:16 | paul_p | gmcharlt: why don't you wan't to call it beta ? you think it's really too far from stable ? |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | nothing world-changing will be accepted into 3.2 after alpha; huge changes would go into HEAD for 3.4 |
| 19:17 | paul_p | for me a alpha is an unworking version, with some features missing or badly broken |
| 19:17 | and a beta is a full features, but still buggued | |
| 19:17 | gmcharlt | paul_p: I'm calling it alpha just as a matter of sequencing; if there are no major blockers, we can have either a very quick beta or jump from alpha to general release |
| 19:18 | paul_p | alpha to general, I can't think it will be the case ;-) |
| 19:18 | tajoli | +a on pauo_p alpha defintion |
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| 19:18 | owen | I'm comfortable with the alpha label just because it has been so long since patches were pushed to HEAD. |
| 19:18 | paul_p | but at least in France, alpha means really not working at all |
| 19:18 | chris | alpha seems fine to me |
| 19:18 | nahuel__ | it means "not tested" at all, i mean |
| 19:18 | davi | same here |
| 19:18 | tajoli | also in italy |
| 19:18 | chris | there are enough open blockers |
| 19:18 | to call it alpha | |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | there are enough open blockers, indeed |
| 19:18 | * chris_n | agrees |
| 19:18 | tajoli | alpha is unstable |
| 19:19 | paul_p | owen: maybe you're right. But for Aix-Marseille, they are working with a 3.2, and don't report a lot of things (not they are not live, it's just for testing) |
| 19:19 | chris | and so it is |
| 19:19 | chris_n | nothing is stable until stable |
| 19:19 | chris | beta is slightly less unstable |
| 19:19 | :) | |
| 19:19 | thd | paul_p: if there is no reason to keep it long in alpha then you should be pleased that the label would be quickly changed to beta |
| 19:19 | chris | a beta may follow soon after .. but since this is the first release ever |
| 19:19 | gmcharlt | I'm not particularly fond of this sort of semantic debate - I'll start naming them after colors or something if it this is a real issue ;) |
| 19:19 | chris | it really could only be alpha |
| 19:19 | :) | |
| 19:20 | thd | :) |
| 19:20 | * chris_n | votes for blue |
| 19:20 | gmcharlt | more seriously, it's the first, we'll call it alpha, if it's a stable alpha, well, more power to us |
| 19:20 | tajoli | OK |
| 19:20 | paul_p | gmcharlt: I agree, but for PR it's important: calling it "alpha" means for libraries : "wow, bad news, we're far from a release" |
| 19:20 | wizzyrea | yea, and people don't get too excited about alpha releases |
| 19:21 | chris_n | all the more reason to work out the bugs quickly |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | yes, shed that nasty alpha title ;) |
| 19:21 | davi | I would jump to beta if possible |
| 19:21 | wizzyrea | (by fixing bugs) |
| 19:21 | chris | marketing shmarketing |
| 19:21 | its the first release, hence alpha | |
| 19:21 | Genji | freeze the code, do bug bingo. |
| 19:22 | thd | paul_p: yet they will be all the more impressed if it would move quickly to beta. |
| 19:22 | gmcharlt | besides, who says we need to actually release a stable? Google's stuff does well in perpetual beta ;) |
| 19:22 | * gmcharlt | is joking, just to be perfectly clear |
| 19:22 | davi | Sometimes the last beta is exactly the release, so start with alpha can be ok |
| 19:23 | paul_p | ok, chris & gmcharlt, you get my voice IF you add to the PR : "we expect that this alpha will be quickly followed by an alpha release once feedbacks have confirmed it's possible" |
| 19:23 | or something like that, your english is better than mine ;-) | |
| 19:23 | chris | ill do it in french :-) |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | paul_p: fair enough |
| 19:23 | thd: you had comments on the wiki reliensing? | |
| 19:23 | * thd | is impressed with any release and apologises for the patches he has neglected to send |
| 19:23 | thd | yes about the wiki content relicensing |
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| 19:24 | joetho | Joe Tholen / SEKLS / Kansas |
| 19:24 | thd | The lawyer from SFLC said that we should really contact everyone for ascent |
| 19:25 | I am endeavouring to do that but some people will be unfindable | |
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| 19:26 | gmcharlt | thd: given http://www.ptfs.com/company/pr[…]e.aspx?pressId=81, one of the entities involved will be changing |
| 19:26 | schuster | thd - if you need assistance let me know I'm a pretty good bloodhound. sniff sniff... |
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| 19:26 | gmcharlt | for people who are truly unfindable, I move that we count them as approving the change, although we'd respect their desire if they show up and vote to the contrary |
| 19:27 | thd | Yes, that certainly may change the significant issue of the copyrights controlled by LibLime |
| 19:27 | gmcharlt | thd: it's guaranteed to change the ownership of such copyrights |
| 19:27 | owen | ...and transform it into an issue of copyrights controlled by PTFS |
| 19:28 | thd | The motivation of real concern had been about LibLime copyrights. |
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| 19:28 | ccurry | Hello all. Zebra question for you. |
| 19:28 | chris | ccurry: there is a meeting going on currently |
| 19:28 | thd | I think that we could pretend that others have abstained unless we here from them. |
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| 19:28 | ccurry | chris: ok; I'll send it to the list. Thanks anyway. |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | owen: indeed, but for the moment, I am somewhat optimistic that we have a chance to get some action now |
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| 19:29 | thd | We should, however, resolve the LibLime copyrights or I will make the effort to mark them. |
| 19:29 | owen | Agreed. |
| 19:29 | paul_p | well, I think what we have to do now is ... to do nothing. Or at least ask PTFS about what thy plan to do with koha.org & all this stuff |
| 19:29 | s/at least/just/ | |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 19:29 | thd | paul_p++ |
| 19:29 | chris | i think the latter is a valid question |
| 19:30 | davi | paul_p, ask PTFS as soon as possible, please |
| 19:30 | chris_n | sounds like a job for Joann |
| 19:30 | gmcharlt | I just spoke with somebody at PTFS - they obviously will have a lot to do absorbing LL and LL's customers, but I would encourage everybody to communicate with PTFS |
| 19:30 | paul_p | me ? no, jo |
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| 19:30 | richard | hi |
| 19:30 | paul_p | chris_n++ |
| 19:30 | hi richard. meetin going on | |
| 19:30 | chris_n | after all, that's what we asked HLT to do |
| 19:30 | paul_p | yep, absolutly ! |
| 19:31 | chris | definitely |
| 19:31 | davi | paul_p, If we have to fork we should know the sooner the better |
| 19:31 | slef | hi |
| 19:31 | davi | hi |
| 19:31 | * chris_n | thinks 'fork' is a bad word atm |
| 19:31 | thd | The press release does not make it clear whether they have completed all the technical details of acquiring LibLime yet today. |
| 19:31 | paul_p | davi: on this matter, there's nothing new with the PR. We already have a koha.org independant development ! |
| 19:31 | gmcharlt | my view is that the overall plan concerning HLT remains unchanged; HLT just has a different group of people to talk to |
| 19:32 | chris | exactly |
| 19:32 | chris_n | right |
| 19:32 | paul_p | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:32 | schuster | gmcharlt ++ |
| 19:32 | tajoli | right |
| 19:32 | chris | in exercise in semantics |
| 19:32 | chris_n | and new potential |
| 19:32 | davi | paul_p, ack |
| 19:32 | chris | http://www.liblime.com/news/pt[…]o-acquire-liblime |
| 19:32 | vs | |
| 19:32 | gmcharlt | and as I said, for now I'm reasonably optimistic that we have a chance of getting the community's wishes respected |
| 19:32 | chris | http://www.ptfs.com/company/pr[…]e.aspx?pressId=81 |
| 19:32 | slef | oh wow yikes yuk |
| 19:32 | paul_p | the positive point is that we can't have a more silent ear facing us ;-) |
| 19:32 | thd | The press release refers to a transition before the end of the month. |
| 19:32 | chris | i know which entity that makes me feel better about |
| 19:33 | brendan_m | bye |
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| 19:33 | chris | paul_p++ # it can only get better |
| 19:33 | paul_p | a silent ear... nice mistake : an ear is always silent :D but you all understand what I mean ! |
| 19:34 | closed ear / silent mouth | |
| 19:34 | chris_n | language is a wonderful thing ;-) |
| 19:34 | nahuel__ | really usefull |
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| 19:34 | thd | There is one more thing about wiki content relicensing |
| 19:34 | paul_p | hi irma |
| 19:34 | irma | Salut! |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | thd: please go ahead |
| 19:36 | thd | The lawyer from SFLC will send a message which I will forward to the mailing list about how the epilogue to GPL describing how to invoke this license has no magic words. |
| 19:36 | cait | ? |
| 19:37 | thd | We need not follow the wording exactly to refer to "the program" when we mean the wiki content. |
| 19:37 | cait: are you still lost? | |
| 19:37 | cait | better now, thx thd |
| 19:37 | gmcharlt | thd: we'll await the SFLC foward, then |
| 19:37 | if there's nothing more, I'd like to move onto the core of this meeting | |
| 19:38 | 5. # | |
| 19:38 | Roles for 3.2.x and 3.4 | |
| 19:38 | thd | I am referring to wording which states that license X applies to your program |
| 19:39 | nahuel__ | gmcharlt, what about ? |
| 19:39 | we are voting ? | |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | nahuel__: this meeting may or may not be the time to do it, but I want to get the discussion started at any rate |
| 19:40 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:roles3.4 | |
| 19:41 | summarizes the current proposals for 3.4 project roles | |
| 19:41 | slef | I have no web right now. |
| 19:41 | nahuel__ | In my opinion, chris is the good person to be release manager |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt | as some people have put their name in but have not completed their proposals, what I suggest we do is |
| 19:42 | vote at the next general meeting | |
| 19:42 | with one exception - I don't think there's anybody else who's volunteering to be release manager for 3.4 | |
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| 19:42 | gmcharlt | so if there is no objection, I would like to suggest that we vote on chris's proposal now |
| 19:43 | chris_n | seconded |
| 19:43 | paul_p | yes, and I don't think anyone will do |
| 19:43 | nahuel__ | good idea |
| 19:43 | cait | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:43 | * paul_p | vote for chris |
| 19:43 | chris_n | +1 # for chris |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | hearing no objection thus far ... |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | +1 for chris |
| 19:43 | slef | +1 |
| 19:43 | gmcharlt | +1 for chris |
| 19:43 | nahuel__ | +1 |
| 19:43 | davi | +1 # for chris |
| 19:43 | cait | +1 |
| 19:43 | thd | ++ |
| 19:43 | chris | dag nabbit |
| 19:43 | nahuel__ | (for chris) |
| 19:43 | magnus | +1 for chris |
| 19:43 | * owen | has already chained chris's ankle to the desk |
| 19:43 | Nate | +1 |
| 19:43 | chris_n | lol chris |
| 19:43 | cait | :) |
| 19:44 | Colin | +1 |
| 19:44 | Sharon | Chris will do great |
| 19:44 | richard | indeed |
| 19:44 | schuster | + chris |
| 19:44 | paul_p | anyone against chris ? |
| 19:44 | tajoli | +1 on chris and on his proposal |
| 19:45 | sekjal-away | +1 for chris |
| 19:45 | paul_p | "if someone against chris, up you hand, or stay silent forever" |
| 19:45 | sekjal-away is now known as sekjal | |
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| 19:45 | gmcharlt | hearing no -1, I congratulate the next release manager of Koha, Chris Cormack |
| 19:45 | chris | thank you |
| 19:45 | * owen | cheers |
| 19:45 | paul_p | hourra pour chris ! |
| 19:45 | chris_n | speech, speech |
| 19:45 | BobB | +1 |
| 19:46 | cait | yay :) |
| 19:46 | paul_p | ( but, frankly, it's not a surprise :D ) |
| 19:46 | chris | id like to thank the academy |
| 19:46 | paul_p | and you mother and your father ? |
| 19:46 | and your wife ? | |
| 19:46 | chris | hehe |
| 19:46 | schuster | Hope you got approval from your WIFE! |
| 19:46 | cait | and pets? ;) |
| 19:46 | magnus | 3 cheers |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | and to confirm - I move that we hold elections on the other project positions during the next meeting, to give time for people to complete proposals |
| 19:46 | and also to encourage more QA managers/bug wranglers/people before we all should bow to join the pool ;) | |
| 19:46 | chris | schuster: you know thats the rule of a succesful marriage :-) |
| 19:47 | schuster | 12 years.... |
| 19:47 | chris | :) |
| 19:48 | paul_p | gmcharlt: (& all) you may have seen that BibLibre did not propose any role. but the main idea behind that was just to let other take a place & an involvement. we will be very happy to add a QA manager or endorse whatever is empty |
| 19:48 | + we are on the way to hire a new developer that will probably work a lot with the community | |
| 19:48 | gmcharlt | paul_p: my view is that everybody who wants to be a bug wrangler (and I will be adding myself to the list) should be one |
| 19:48 | chris | im very happy someone has volunteered to do database documentation |
| 19:49 | paul_p | yep. tajoli++ |
| 19:49 | chris | you can never have too many bug wranglers |
| 19:49 | tajoli | thank |
| 19:49 | paul_p | chris: right, but you don't need an official role for that ;-) |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | fwiw I volunteer to help with bug wrangling |
| 19:49 | slef | I've been snowed in so haven't looked yet. not sure about other coop workers |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | paul_p: chris: I'm also seriously considering proposal that we establish module owners where possible |
| 19:50 | chris_n | good idea |
| 19:50 | davi | no yet neither |
| 19:50 | thd | gmcharlt: In what sense of ownership? |
| 19:50 | chris | yeah, that is a great idea |
| 19:50 | wrangling the bugs for those modules? | |
| 19:50 | paul_p | wizzyrea: wrangling bugs or finding bugs :D ? |
| 19:51 | schuster | paul_p - Nicole is on the list! She is an employee of yours! |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | I'm accomplished at both >.> |
| 19:51 | gmcharlt | thd: my idea is a that module owner would be responsible for wrangling bugs for that module, and helping to coordinate feature work for that module |
| 19:51 | Sharon | being very familiar with the ins and outs of a particular module is a good idea, I think |
| 19:51 | paul_p | schuster: right, I was thinking of a dev role ;-) |
| 19:51 | schuster | gmcharlt++ |
| 19:51 | wizzyrea | I like the idea of having a go-to person/people for a module |
| 19:51 | paul_p | gmcharlt++ too |
| 19:52 | schuster | I know nothing about acq, but am pretty versed in circ and fairly in cat! |
| 19:52 | thd | I am willing to put my name forward at a lower level of granularity |
| 19:52 | paul_p | (+ default assignee of bugs.koha.org is meaningless atm) |
| 19:52 | chris | yes |
| 19:52 | gmcharlt | getting back to the proposal - any objection to holding the remaining project votes next meeting? |
| 19:52 | chris | none from me |
| 19:52 | thd | ++ |
| 19:53 | chris_n | +1 |
| 19:53 | paul_p | one question/suggestion about translation manager |
| 19:53 | chris | whoever is chosen i will work closely to help handover |
| 19:53 | there will be a lot of work for the translation manager for 3.4 | |
| 19:53 | paul_p | we have 2 candidates. brendan speaks english, and I think it would better to have someone not speaking english. Frédéric is french, but, he don't participate to irc meetings |
| 19:54 | frederic1: par là ? | |
| 19:54 | chris | with the templates changing, tmpl_process.pl will need work |
| 19:54 | paul_p | yep, heavy one. |
| 19:54 | chris | much simplification thankfully, but still work |
| 19:54 | thd | paul_p: Does he always have too much work to participate in IRC meetings? |
| 19:55 | paul_p | thd: don't know |
| 19:55 | * thd | knows that he should ask that directly |
| 19:55 | paul_p | (it's 9PM in france) |
| 19:55 | * thd | was up all night again |
| 19:55 | nahuel__ | chris, but.... Template Toolkit manage translations, isn't it ? We won't need anymore baaaad tmpl_process... |
| 19:55 | paul_p | maybe someone could ask him the question of his involvement? |
| 19:55 | schuster | Maybe if they provide a report or an update to the RM that would suffice? |
| 19:56 | paul_p | (I don't think it's a good idea for me to ask him the question, because he's a competitor, I don't want business questions to interfere with community question) |
| 19:56 | thd | I can inform those who have not communicated with him that his English is fantastic |
| 19:56 | chris | nahuel__: thats a maybe, it can do on the fly translation that might be to slow, we can talk about that in another meeting :) |
| 19:56 | gmcharlt | I'd prefer that it be discussed a bit more openly on the mailing lists, at least |
| 19:57 | chris | i will send a mail on the koha-devel list |
| 19:57 | nahuel__ | chris, of course ! |
| 19:57 | chris | about translation manager |
| 19:57 | frederic and I have discussed it though, and he does have a good idea how much work is involved | |
| 19:57 | 99% of it is answering emaisl | |
| 19:58 | paul_p | yes, I agree. note i've nothing against him in this role, just want to have a community as reactive as possible. |
| 19:58 | chris | *nod* |
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| 19:59 | gmcharlt | ok, I think we're ready for the next agenda item |
| 19:59 | the Koha newsletter | |
| 19:59 | paul_p | this one will be short ;-) |
| 19:59 | gmcharlt | nengard isn't here, but I think her update pretty much says it all - From Nicole: The Koha Newsletter will be found at http://koha.web2learning.net until control of the domain is turned over. It will be published on the 15th of each month starting with January (2 days from now). Send all future story ideas to Nicole at nengardgmail.com with the words 'koha newsletter' in the subject line somewhere. I (Nicole) will not be at the meeting to |
| 19:59 | day since I will be teaching a workshop at that time. | |
| 19:59 | thd | I can say further that he has put attention to important issues about scripts running in not left to right and other details which we had been missing |
| 20:00 | * paul_p | very happy to have the newsletter revived ! |
| 20:00 | chris | yay!! |
| 20:00 | nengard++ | |
| 20:00 | paul_p | (for all that don't know : we used to have such a letter a long time ago) |
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| 20:00 | chris_n | nengard++ |
| 20:01 | magnus | nengard++ |
| 20:01 | ColinC left #koha | |
| 20:01 | cait | nengard++ |
| 20:01 | thd | paul_p: when was that the case in the past? |
| 20:01 | paul_p | thd, yep |
| 20:01 | it was written by pate eyler | |
| 20:01 | (kaitiaki) | |
| 20:01 | davi | why adds in the newsletter? |
| 20:01 | chris | and rachel for a short while after |
| 20:02 | slefweb | davi: adds or ads? This is a very slow library PC I'm using now :( |
| 20:02 | davi | ads |
| 20:02 | Only Koha ads I see | |
| 20:02 | paul_p | davi: ads ??? |
| 20:03 | thd | paul_p: advertisements |
| 20:03 | paul_p | yep, but I don't see any ads ! |
| 20:03 | (I know what is an ad, my english is not that bad, isn't it ?) | |
| 20:03 | nahuel__ | paul_p, there is a flash animation |
| 20:03 | davi | sorry, Koha related |
| 20:03 | Ropuch | davi: you're talking about koha libraries in header? |
| 20:03 | paul_p | yep, but it's not an ad |
| 20:03 | nahuel__ | 5 images from koha opacs |
| 20:03 | paul_p | it's the header of some koha opacs |
| 20:04 | davi | ok |
| 20:04 | slefweb | I can see a GMail ad, but that is all. |
| 20:04 | nahuel__ | slefweb, you're right :p |
| 20:04 | too bad | |
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| 20:04 | gmcharlt | the header doesn't strike me as being objectionable advertising, though possibly weighted a bit too much towards US libraries |
| 20:05 | davi | :) |
| 20:05 | nahuel__ | then, when will be the next meeting ? |
| 20:05 | chris | cept for hlt |
| 20:05 | magnus | i think nengard said somewhere that this was just a temporary location until the community has control of koha.org? |
| 20:05 | chris | she sure did |
| 20:05 | teacup, storm :) | |
| 20:05 | magnus | ;-) |
| 20:06 | chris_n | heh |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | I'd like to call the next meeting at 11:00 UTC+0 on February 2 |
| 20:06 | slefweb | speaking of ads, the ones on mibbit are not really safe for use in a public library :-( |
| 20:06 | nahuel__ | gmcharlt, great |
| 20:06 | chris | gmcharlt: im ok with that |
| 20:06 | paul_p | 11:00 UTC, great, that's lunch time for Europe ;-) |
| 20:07 | slefweb | looks OK to me |
| 20:07 | davi | IMHO such ads are not actually needed in the newsletter page |
| 20:07 | paul_p | easier than baby-to-bed time ;-) |
| 20:07 | thd | paul_p paul_p: Thank you for helping the English people who do not know frederic1 to better appreciate his candidacy. |
| 20:07 | paul_p | davi: I agree |
| 20:07 | cait | http://opensource.califa.org/node/92 |
| 20:07 | chris_n | gmcharlt: +1 |
| 20:07 | slefweb | cait: what about it? |
| 20:07 | gmcharlt | ok, it's set then |
| 20:08 | any final items to add to the agenda? | |
| 20:08 | davi | remove the ads? |
| 20:08 | Topic for #koha is now Discussion channel for the Koha ILS | Next general IRC meeting at 11:00 UTC+0 on 2 February 2010 | Logged at http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today | |
| 20:09 | cait | nothing special, just different from the other press releases |
| 20:09 | schuster | I love one hour meetings that stay on task. |
| 20:09 | * chris_n | likes the opac headers as it shows what other's do with Koha |
| 20:09 | chris_n | others even |
| 20:09 | nahuel__ | gmcharlt, beta plans? |
| 20:09 | slefweb | right, I get to walk the 3 miles home now... ttyl |
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| 20:09 | gmcharlt | davi: if they bother you that much, take it up with nengard - however, since they assuredly aren't commercial advertising, I would suggest that we simply encourage the newsletter |
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| 20:10 | gmcharlt | nahuel__: beta will be released once blockers on 3.2-alpha are down to a reasonably small number |
| 20:10 | nahuel__ | ok |
| 20:10 | paul_p | cait: it's different, as it's "I", not "the company" |
| 20:10 | nahuel__ | null number is better |
| 20:10 | davi | no problem, no bother too much |
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| 20:11 | paul_p | is it my english or "X and Y merging" is different than "X acquires Y" ? |
| 20:11 | chris | yes quite different |
| 20:11 | its definitely not a merger | |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | paul_p: merger imlies that the two parties are equals, more or less |
| 20:12 | nahuel__ | like a fusion |
| 20:12 | Genji | the koha.org website gets taken over by the company, and goes out of Joshua's control? |
| 20:12 | paul_p | yep, that's what I thought I knew ;-) |
| 20:12 | nahuel__: fusion is the french term ;-) | |
| 20:12 | Genji: yep | |
| 20:12 | nahuel__ | it don't exist in english too ? |
| 20:13 | paul_p | the next question is : will it fall into community hands ! |
| 20:13 | chris | i say we give them some space for a couple of days, then ask |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | nahuel__: fusion is used in English too, but not to describe business mergers |
| 20:13 | paul_p | nahuel__: yes, it exist, but I think it's just for atomic fusion. english natives, pls confirm ;-) |
| 20:13 | magnus | chris++ |
| 20:13 | nahuel__ | k |
| 20:13 | cait | isnt there a term like fusion food too? |
| 20:14 | gmcharlt | cait: yes |
| 20:14 | paul_p | (note that this PR is a kind of bomb news for us, but that's another matter ;-) ) |
| 20:14 | gmcharlt | paul_p: yeah, I'm sorry you and brendan didn't get to enjoy at least a day of having your news all to yourselves |
| 20:14 | chris | its excellent news though |
| 20:14 | tajoli | here is 'PTFS to Acquire LibLime' |
| 20:14 | http://koha.org/news/ptfs-to-acquire-liblime | |
| 20:15 | chris | and on the ptfs site |
| 20:15 | wizzyrea | I was at least as excited about the surprise news from biblibre as I was about ptfs/ll |
| 20:15 | chris | i think LBA just got it wrong with her headline |
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| 20:15 | irma | LBA? |
| 20:15 | someoneagain | someone should invent a jetpack for cats |
| 20:15 | chris_n | paul_p: http://wordnetweb.princeton.ed[…]rl/webwn?s=fusion |
| 20:16 | paul_p | Lori Bowen Ayre |
| 20:16 | irma | thanks Paul |
| 20:16 | sekjal | this is one of those historically significant days for Koha, I think |
| 20:16 | coming back from a meeting (sorry I was late to this one) to find all this out was a shock to the system | |
| 20:16 | someoneagain | what is ptfs? |
| 20:16 | owen | Interesting to read that on Lori Ayre's site. The letter didn't go out to *all* LibLime customers--we didn't get one. |
| 20:17 | chris | suprise suprise |
| 20:17 | wizzyrea | sigh :( |
| 20:17 | chris_n | owen: does that surprise you? |
| 20:17 | owen | No, not really :) |
| 20:17 | thd | paul_p: Is the French term for acquisiton also l'acquisition? |
| 20:17 | paul_p | thd: yes it is |
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| 20:18 | schuster | It was sent through the LibLime listserv I suspect as they posted the press release. |
| 20:18 | chris | oh they kicked you off there already eh ... here's to less of that nonsense from now on |
| 20:18 | chris_n | gmcharlt: have we closed the meeting? |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yes |
| 20:18 | chris | is someone doing minutes |
| 20:19 | id like to freak my boss out by showing him i got elected | |
| 20:19 | :) | |
| 20:19 | Ropuch | hehe |
| 20:19 | cait | :) |
| 20:19 | I think this was to be expected | |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | dear boss - remember that web developer type person you hired way back when? welcome to Catalyst's new line of business! ;) |
| 20:19 | chris | heh |
| 20:20 | * russ | thinks he missed something... |
| 20:20 | paul_p | russ: you missed MANY things ;-) |
| 20:20 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ir[…]10-01-13#i_372124 |
| 20:21 | irma | chris: I will watch out for the celebration fireworks coming from the East! |
| 20:21 | russ | oh i lurk - you would be surprised :-) |
| 20:21 | chris | http://bywatersolutions.com/?p=320 |
| 20:21 | bywater++ | |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | OH snap |
| 20:23 | chris | http://www.libraryjournal.com/[…]le/CA6714841.html |
| 20:23 | nice writeup by marshall breeding | |
| 20:24 | owen | "...gaining control of an arsenal of assets surrounding Koha" |
| 20:24 | *sigh* | |
| 20:24 | thd | gmcharlt: what is the news that brendan and paul_p did not have all to themselves? |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt | owen: yep - whether they decide to play ball re community assets will be one of the real tests of them |
| 20:25 | paul_p | thd: ??? |
| 20:25 | thd | paul_p: exactly why I asked |
| 20:25 | owen | I just hope we don't look forward to seeing PTFS claim on their web site to have contributed 99% of Koha's code. |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt | thd: http://www.biblibre.com/blog/e[…]ounce-partnership |
| 20:26 | davi | gnb. mvnb jgfng, vncxm,v cfmvn xbncvvvvvvvvxbnvfmg,bgnfb,mg sdjfhcmdfnvchbdfncv |
| 20:26 | vc,,,,,,,,,,vccccvvcccccv | |
| 20:26 | owen | davi: Cat on keyboard? |
| 20:26 | * gmcharlt | greets davi's cat, dog, or small child |
| 20:27 | davi | cxxxvcccccccbv,m bnvmm xnxcakjc,hhhhnsdx cnxvb c dsxcvb djcxbbgfhdg ffffffffjgh |
| 20:27 | thd | gmcharlt: thanks, I had thought that was old news |
| 20:27 | gmcharlt | thd: well, that post is dated today, after all ;) |
| 20:27 | davi | owen, baby, sorry |
| 20:27 | wizzyrea | Hi baby! |
| 20:27 | Genji | Ahh, finalyl we get some details on how koha works. It runs on an Amazon cloud. |
| 20:27 | LEK = amazon application. | |
| 20:27 | * wizzyrea | tickles the baby, just to hear some baby laughs |
| 20:27 | owen | davi's_baby++ |
| 20:27 | davi | wizzyrea, too young yet to read |
| 20:28 | owen | Genji: That's just where it's hosted. |
| 20:28 | Ropuch | davi: take a screenshot for the future ;> |
| 20:28 | wizzyrea | davi: but please convey my hellos to baby :) |
| 20:28 | davi | good idea |
| 20:28 | owen | Interesting: "Following the transaction, Metavore, Inc. will focus on business interests outside the library automation industry" |
| 20:29 | chris | yeah, i think that whas always the plan |
| 20:29 | davi | done |
| 20:30 | sekjal | "...aims to include services such as electronic resource management and document delivery..." |
| 20:30 | neat! those features would go a long way toward making Koha more viable for larger institutions and academic consortia | |
| 20:31 | chris | yeah it sounds like a good move, and i have faith ptfs will act in an ethical and open manner |
| 20:31 | Genji | owen: I was under the impression it was hosted by liblime, internally, or in one specific datacenter. But since its on Amazon... my fears of the libs having no library because of datacenter emergency, have been eliminated. |
| 20:31 | chris_n | gmcharlt: still about? |
| 20:31 | * sekjal | chooses to trust PTFS as good members of the community, as they've been in my experience |
| 20:31 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yes |
| 20:32 | chris_n | I notice that the db ver numbers jump from x.060 to x.100 with the acquisitions work |
| 20:32 | chris | sekjal: definitely to date PTFS have been an asset |
| 20:32 | chris_n | in updatedatabase.pl |
| 20:32 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yeah, there were 40-odd related updates |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | gengi: those of us in the cloud on amazon have had AMAZING uptime |
| 20:32 | genji, sorry | |
| 20:32 | >.< | |
| 20:33 | I do that every time. Apologies. | |
| 20:33 | chris_n | gmcharlt: hmm I have a commit in my repo: e1091f943 which does not appear in the main repo? |
| 20:34 | * paul_p | think the conference is done, isn't it ? |
| 20:34 | paul_p | so, time to head to wife & bed |
| 20:34 | chris_n | gmcharlt: yet my repo says it is up to date on rebase |
| 20:34 | paul_p: g | |
| 20:34 | 'night | |
| 20:34 | wizzyrea | good night paul |
| 20:35 | chris_n | and that commit does not appear in the main repo |
| 20:35 | * chris_n | scratches his head |
| 20:36 | gmcharlt | chris_n: checking - I'm pretty sure it's in the main repo, but I'll grab a fresh clone and confirm |
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| 20:36 | chris | paul_p: good night and congrats again |
| 20:36 | atz my man :) | |
| 20:36 | chris_n | gmcharlt: it does not appear when searching at git.koha.org afaict |
| 20:36 | atz | hola |
| 20:36 | chris_n | heya atz! |
| 20:36 | owen | Hi atz! |
| 20:37 | paul_p | hi atz ! |
| 20:37 | atz: lot of breaking news today ;-) | |
| 20:37 | atz | indeed there is |
| 20:37 | wizzyrea | omg agz |
| 20:37 | atz | |
| 20:37 | hi | |
| 20:37 | atz | greets wizzyrea |
| 20:37 | paul_p | (including the last one : Chris cormack being 3.4RM officially) |
| 20:37 | atz | good choice |
| 20:37 | cait | hi |
| 20:37 | BobB | Cheers all, must get ready for the day! |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | to what do we owe the pleasure of your company atz |
| 20:38 | russ | hiya atz |
| 20:38 | atz | just wanted to come by and see if y'all were freaking out or not :) |
| 20:38 | russ | lol |
| 20:38 | wizzyrea | we are freaking in a happy way |
| 20:39 | irma | Me too. Thanks for the meeting! Bye. |
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| 20:40 | atz | cool |
| 20:40 | owen | Hi nengard |
| 20:40 | nengard | sorry i missed the meeting all - did I end up getting any more responsibilities? |
| 20:40 | hehe | |
| 20:40 | irma | Hi Nicole! |
| 20:40 | chris_n | hey nengard |
| 20:40 | owen | nengard: You're RM for 3.4. |
| 20:40 | chris_n | hehe |
| 20:40 | nengard | nuh uh that's chris |
| 20:41 | owen | :) |
| 20:41 | nengard | i read that on twitter while teaching my twitter workshop :) hehe |
| 20:41 | as I read all of the other news | |
| 20:41 | gmcharlt | nengard: we elected chris as RM,; formal votes for other possibles will be done 2 February |
| 20:41 | *other positions | |
| 20:41 | sekjal | hey nengard |
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| 20:43 | gmcharlt | chris_n: that odd, e1091f943 is indeed in master |
| 20:43 | * chris_n | wonders why it does not show up in the gitweb interface? |
| 20:44 | atz | cached reponse maybe? |
| 20:44 | * chris_n | checks |
| 20:44 | gmcharlt | chris_n: gitweb commit search is a little funky, but it's there - ? |
| 20:44 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ommit;h=e1091f943 | |
| 20:45 | that URL pattern will let you look up any commit by hash, btw | |
| 20:45 | chris_n | weird |
| 20:46 | so why does http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]8fad3d190922fb897 | |
| 20:46 | show the version skipping from 060 to 100? | |
| 20:46 | * chris_n | must me missing something here :-P |
| 20:47 | chris_n | at any rate, there is a fetchrow without execute in e1091f943 |
| 20:48 | gmcharlt | chris_n: yes, you're missing that there was a follow-up patch that resequenced the DBrev numbers |
| 20:48 | viz, http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]7ebbbe50f5d3f5f3a | |
| 20:48 | chris_n | git is weird.... out of sync but does not know it |
| 20:49 | so what's the best way to fix this? | |
| 20:49 | start a new repo and cherry pick my work off the old one? | |
| 20:50 | gmcharlt | chris_n: bit drastic, but it may well be simplest to do that |
| 20:50 | chris | new branch would probably be fine |
| 20:50 | not a whole new repo | |
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| 20:51 | owen | paul_p still around? |
| 20:51 | paul_p | owen: yes |
| 20:52 | owen | I have a question about limits on the number of holds a patron can have |
| 20:52 | paul_p | throw it, even if nahuel__ may have a better answer than me on this matter |
| 20:52 | owen | It looks like the "maxreserves" system pref is deprecated, but I don't see what it's replaced with |
| 20:53 | The code still attempts to check maxreserves in a couple of places | |
| 20:53 | chris_n | odd... my repo shows 0c7e7053e2 |
| 20:54 | paul_p | owen: file a bug and affect if to hdl pls. (I suspect the maxreserve can still be used as a fallback if no rules are defined, but i'm not sure) |
| 20:55 | atz | chris: maybe you cloned from github instead of git.koha.org ? |
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| 20:56 | chris | git remote show |
| 20:58 | cait | not sure I can sleep after all those news - but good night everyone! :) |
| 20:58 | chris_n | origingit://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha |
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| 20:59 | chris_n | gotta run, bbl |
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| 20:59 | atz | maybe a difference in the versions of git used ? strange problem |
| 21:00 | chris | yeah i havent seen this one before |
| 21:02 | collum | Just got out of a meeting and read the irc log. Wow! |
| 21:02 | sekjal | collum: I know, right? |
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| 21:07 | paul_p | @tell later jdavidb : fun that you're back to LibLime : "PTFS will operate its Koha support business under the name LibLime" (libraryjournal article) |
| 21:07 | munin | paul_p: Error: I haven't seen later, I'll let you do the telling. |
| 21:07 | paul_p | @tell jdavidb : fun that you're back to LibLime : "PTFS will operate its Koha support business under the name LibLime" (libraryjournal article) |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | hehe paul |
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| 21:15 | chris | wow, i have no idea what i was going to do today |
| 21:21 | someoneagain | that means you have free time |
| 21:21 | so then, invent a jetpack for cats. for me. | |
| 21:22 | slef | put iton backwards |
| 21:22 | owen | Don't worry chris, I have no idea what I *did* today. |
| 21:23 | But I'm done doing it! | |
| 21:23 | slef | self-roasting cats |
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| 21:23 | chris | heh |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | slef: and what do you have against our feline overlords? |
| 21:23 | slef | an allergy |
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| 21:24 | atz | slef: if it makes you feel any better, my parents had a cat that was allergic to people |
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| 21:25 | chris | i think my cat is |
| 21:25 | or at least, hates people | |
| 21:27 | schuster | chris - you were going to attend 2 meetings! Day accomplished! |
| 21:27 | chris | oh right you are :) |
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| 21:27 | slef | also cats keep fouling my lawn |
| 21:28 | I have electronic countermeasures now | |
| 21:28 | schuster | and be elected as 3.4 RM! |
| 21:29 | Now I need a nap after listing all your accomplishments. | |
| 21:29 | chris | my silent campaign to have schuster elected failed |
| 21:29 | next time :) | |
| 21:30 | * chris | will bbiab |
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| 21:50 | schuster | Hey I can still be a bug rangler! but right now I'm feeling a little stretched with some things going on - KUDOS, some other State organization things being overly involved does take away from the daily work. |
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| 21:52 | gmcharlt | schuster: bug wrangling can expand or contract to the time you have available - every little bit helps |
| 21:52 | someoneagain | woah, electronic countermeasures vs cats? im interested |
| 21:53 | chris_n2 | gmcharlt: I think that there was some confusion on my git issue earlier |
| 21:53 | I could not find the commit in the main repo via git.koha.org webgit | |
| 21:53 | someoneagain | not that i have any particular disdain for cats. quite the opposite. but i do have an unhealthy passion for various countermeasures. and electronics. |
| 21:53 | chris_n2 | it does appear in my clone |
| 21:53 | for the record | |
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| 21:56 | Nate | ok goodbye for now #koha |
| 21:57 | someoneagain | goodbye for now nate |
| 21:57 | Nate | Quite an eventful day I must say |
| 21:57 | someoneagain | always is |
| 21:57 | Nate | true |
| 21:57 | someoneagain | but sometimes, doing nothing is the most fulfulling thing you can do |
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| 21:57 | someoneagain | unless possible alternatives include R&D on feline aviation |
| 21:58 | chris | back |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | lol feline aviation |
| 21:58 | wb | |
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| 22:19 | someoneagain | bbiab |
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| 22:34 | chris_n2 | it appears that PTFS has integrated their CMS with an open source ILS (Koha?): "the integration of ArchivalWare with Open Source ILS software" (http://www.ptfs.com/company/management_team.aspx) |
| 22:34 | atz | that was their goal when they started over a year ago |
| 22:36 | chris | id love to see it in action |
| 22:37 | * chris_n2 | wonders if their website is run on their CMS |
| 22:37 | chris_n2 | its a nice looking site |
| 22:39 | Ropuch | Isn't ArchivalWare propertialy software? |
| 22:39 | wizzyrea | yea, it runs on mssql |
| 22:39 | :( | |
| 22:39 | I think that's the only reason | |
| 22:39 | atz | it's definitely proprietary |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | someone at some point told me that there was some hint of desire to make archivalware open source, but the database backend wouldn't allow it |
| 22:40 | Ropuch | Windows 2000 Server, Service Pack 2 or greater or Sun Server, Microsoft Internet Information Services 5.0 or greater, MSQL Server or Oracle |
| 22:40 | wizzyrea | AH ORACLE. |
| 22:40 | YEs | |
| 22:40 | now I remember | |
| 22:40 | chris | small steps :) |
| 22:41 | at least they are moving in the right direction | |
| 22:41 | atz | hah... have to support solaris as a defense contractor (which i like, actually) |
| 22:41 | moodaepo | So basically PTFS can combine ArchivalWare and Koha and sell it as long as they give their clients the koha side of the code? |
| 22:41 | chris | opensolaris is actually pretty nice |
| 22:41 | chris_n2 | http://www.archivalware.net/index.html |
| 22:42 | chris | moodaepo: depends on how tight the integration is |
| 22:42 | atz | moodaepo: basically they sell archival ware and give you koha with it |
| 22:42 | chris | if it uses koha's api, then yep |
| 22:42 | atz | which it should be able to do fine, via the biblios and z39 APIs |
| 22:42 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:43 | moodaepo | Ugh ArchivalWare looks like crud compared to Koha...screenshots != in action : ) |
| 22:43 | chris | screenshots are hard |
| 22:44 | s/hard/lies/ :-) | |
| 22:44 | Ropuch | hehe |
| 22:44 | moodaepo | s/screenshots/photoshops/ : ) |
| 22:46 | * Ropuch | just spotted an opensolaris cap on os manual and live cd |
| 22:59 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 22:59 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in South on Monks, Mankato, Minnesota is -2.4�C (4:53 PM CST on January 13, 2010). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: -4.0�C. Windchill: -6.0�C. Pressure: 29.78 in 1008.4 hPa (Rising). |
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| 23:49 | IrmaCalyx | A quick question about Bugzilla � Bug 4042 |
| 23:49 | ||
| 23:49 | When creating a NEW report can one change "Assigned To: Joshua Ferraro <jmfliblime.com>" ? |
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| 23:49 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=4042 enhancement, P5, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, Public OPAC search can fall prey to web crawlers |
| 23:50 | chris | yeah it was a topic of the meeting this morning, we need new default assignees |
| 23:50 | Genji | hell. |
| 23:50 | chris | if you cant change it there (it doesnt ereally matter, they all go to the bugs mailing list so all get read) you can change it right after |
| 23:50 | to someone you think makes more sense | |
| 23:51 | IrmaCalyx | So, CALYX will leave it as is then as we are submitting a patch for it . OK? |
| 23:51 | chris | i always change it to me when i claim a bug .. the default one is just so its assigned to something, like i say, koha-bugslists.koha.org |
| 23:51 | oh, swithc it to you | |
| 23:51 | if you are submitting a patch | |
| 23:51 | (you can do that when you attach the patch even, there is an option) | |
| 23:52 | IrmaCalyx | Ok. Will sitch it when we submit the patch. :-) |
| 23:55 | chris | excellent :) |
| 23:55 | yay for patches | |
| 23:57 | IrmaCalyx | change of mind...switched it to Bob as he will see it through. |
| 23:57 | chris | :) |
| 23:57 | that works | |
| 23:57 | its good to switch so others know its being worked on | |
| 23:57 | i often change status from new, to assigned also | |
| 23:58 | pianohacker joined #koha | |
| 23:59 | IrmaCalyx | About PTFS... |
| 23:59 | chris | yep? |
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