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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:00 | chris | 144kph .. they are getting some pace |
| 00:08 | brendan | cya in a bit |
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| 00:45 | hank_bank | hello koha |
| 00:45 | I have a question | |
| 00:46 | GRSL or DOM indexing? | |
| 00:48 | chris | MARC21 ? |
| 00:49 | hank_bank | yes |
| 00:49 | chris | if so, DOM definitely .. i think DOM for UNIMARC also, but not certain on that |
| 00:49 | hank_bank | otay thanks! |
| 00:50 | pianohacker | chris: why, specifically? |
| 00:51 | chris | for a start its hella easier to read than record.abs |
| 00:52 | and also because you can change things without needing to reindex everything | |
| 00:53 | pianohacker | O_o you can lose record.abs with dom indexing? |
| 00:53 | chris | yeah |
| 00:54 | pianohacker | What replaces it? |
| 00:55 | chris | 2 secs |
| 01:03 | view-source:http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]m-config-marc.xml | |
| 01:03 | heh, and that link will only work in chromium i think | |
| 01:03 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]m-config-marc.xml | |
| 01:03 | basically xml and xslt | |
| 01:05 | pianohacker | xslt? |
| 01:06 | * pianohacker | is not sure this is an improvement |
| 01:06 | chris | hehe |
| 01:06 | its more the can change things without needing to reindex that is the total win | |
| 01:06 | pianohacker | Right |
| 01:07 | chris | and transforming xml with xsl makes some kinda vague sense :) |
| 01:08 | i think it handles non latin characters better as well, but im not sure about ath | |
| 01:11 | pianohacker | Reindexes are very slow even for small collections, so that's good |
| 01:11 | If you're already stuck with the bastard format, may as well go all the way | |
| 01:11 | Yeah, Unicode's definitely a strength of XML | |
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| 01:16 | alejandro | hi there |
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| 01:34 | hdl | chris not sure DOM can better handle non latin chars |
| 01:35 | chris it is rather icu which enables that. | |
| 01:35 | chris | ahh right |
| 01:35 | wow, it must be 2.30am for you? | |
| 01:35 | hdl | I worked on DOM indexing for biblios and created a dom_wip branch. |
| 01:35 | chris | ohh cool |
| 01:36 | hdl | But had no time to invest on that. |
| 01:36 | It should be close to achieve something though | |
| 01:36 | chris | excellent |
| 01:37 | brendan | very cool hdl |
| 01:37 | hdl | But it took old record.abs as a start. |
| 01:37 | So should be updated | |
| 01:38 | (I worked on that in early march) | |
| 01:43 | http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]efs/heads/dom_wip | |
| 01:44 | chris | excellent |
| 01:44 | ill have to have a look when i get some time | |
| 02:41 | brendan: http://www.cricinfo.com/nzvpak[…]match/423778.html staging a fightback | |
| 02:43 | brendan | somewhat of a comeback |
| 02:43 | still if I am reading it correctly - a bit to go | |
| 02:43 | chris | yep |
| 02:44 | but from 27/2 to 126/2 is a good effort | |
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| 03:22 | hank_bank | question about sudo a2ensite koha |
| 03:22 | I have ibstalled KOHA from git and I am configuring apache | |
| 03:23 | i get ERROR: Site koha does not exist! | |
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| 05:20 | pianohacker | hank_bank: What is the base path of your git install? |
| 05:20 | * pianohacker | hopes he isn't too late |
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| 05:57 | henry | revisting question about sudo a2ensite koha |
| 05:58 | henry=hankbank btw | |
| 06:01 | the base path is something like /koha-dev/etc/? | |
| 06:01 | chris | have you done the ln -s to /etc/apache2/sites-available bit? |
| 06:01 | henry | yes |
| 06:02 | I tried to change the path in there | |
| 06:02 | chris | so what did you actually run? |
| 06:02 | and if you do ls -l /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha | |
| 06:02 | what do you get | |
| 06:03 | henry | I think it was /etc/koha-dev/koha-httpd.conf /etc/apache2/sites-available/koha |
| 06:03 | thnaks chris | |
| 06:03 | I mean thanks | |
| 06:03 | I will check that tomorrow | |
| 06:04 | chris | yeah you need to link the actual file its probably /home/something/koha-dev/etc/koha-httpd.conf |
| 06:04 | henry | I am on my home machnine, had to leave work, |
| 06:04 | yes exactly | |
| 06:04 | chris | and if its saying not found, im picking the link isnt right |
| 06:04 | henry | it had my home/username in the path |
| 06:05 | so whne I get the link right then a2ensite should find the site koha? | |
| 06:06 | chris | yep |
| 06:06 | henry | cool |
| 06:06 | chris | all that command does is ln -s from sites-available to sites-enabled anyway |
| 06:06 | henry | I will figure it out |
| 06:06 | a symbolic link? | |
| 06:08 | thanks | |
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| 06:24 | pianohacker | Good night |
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| 06:47 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
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| 07:30 | zico | hi |
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| 12:41 | |Lupin| | hi there ! |
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| 12:42 | jdavidb | Hello, |Lupin|! :) |
| 12:43 | |Lupin| | hi jdavidb :) |
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| 12:48 | jwagner | Good morning all |
| 12:52 | |Lupin| | hey jane |
| 12:56 | nengard | anyone know what I do to request that a patch I sent is ignored? |
| 12:56 | hdl | hi jwagner |
| 12:57 | |Lupin| | nengard: I'd just reply to the e-mail and aski to ignore the patch... |
| 12:57 | jwagner | Bonjour hdl |
| 12:57 | nengard | thanks Lupin - will do |
| 13:09 | okay - getting annoyed with templates!! can someone tell me why lines 11-13 work but lines 50-52 do not? http://koha.pastebin.com/m51de768 | |
| 13:12 | hdl | nengard: mixed TMPL_IF ? |
| 13:12 | is that you who introduced EXPR in template ? | |
| 13:13 | nengard | no |
| 13:13 | all i added were the 6 lines I pointed out | |
| 13:13 | hdl | ok. |
| 13:13 | nengard | but what does mixed TMPL_IF mean? the fact that I have an IF inside another IF? |
| 13:14 | chris_n | g'morning |
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| 13:17 | chris_n | nengard: it looks like you're missing a closing <!-- /TMPL_IF --> for the line 1 TMPL_IF |
| 13:18 | Nate | morning everyone |
| 13:18 | chris_n | howdy Nate |
| 13:19 | Nate | its ca ca ca cold out |
| 13:19 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 13:19 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Dunn, North Carolina is 11.6�C (7:44 AM EST on November 24, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 9.0�C. Pressure: 29.80 in 1009.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 13:19 | chris_n | its wet and nasty here :-( |
| 13:20 | Nate | send me to the tropics! |
| 13:20 | jdavidb | Here too, chris_n. |
| 13:20 | chris_n | nengard: it looks like the TMPL_IF should be closed after the <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --> tag |
| 13:20 | unless there is more to the template than is posted | |
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| 13:26 | |Lupin| | see you later all, bye |
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| 13:28 | chris_n | nengard: looking at review.tmpl, it looks like that TMPL_IF tag is closed after line 57, so that would not be it |
| 13:28 | nengard | chris_n on skype with hdl and he's helping me |
| 13:28 | chris_n | k |
| 13:31 | nengard | okay - time for a git question - how do I revert back to a version that is unedited by me :) |
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| 13:32 | hdl | git reset --hard HEAD |
| 13:36 | nengard | hdl that pushed it back to my last patch - which was wrong :) how do I get it to ignore my patches and just show me HEAD |
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| 13:49 | owen | Ahoj, #koha |
| 13:50 | jwagner | nengard, if you're on a branch and want to get the file back to head, I think you can do git checkout filename, can't you? |
| 13:50 | nengard | jwagner - i don't know - never did it :) will try now |
| 13:50 | owen | You can if the change is uncommitted |
| 13:55 | nengard | I commited the change |
| 13:55 | it wasn't pushed though ... | |
| 13:55 | so how do i revert back before my stupid commit? | |
| 13:57 | owen | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]cs/git-reset.html |
| 13:57 | nengard | thanks owen |
| 13:57 | owen | But as far as I know that resets the branch to HEAD rather than, for instance, just one file |
| 13:57 | I'm not sure about doing it on a per-file basis | |
| 13:59 | nengard | owen - read through that and that's what hdl suggested I do - but for some reason the changes are still there ... hmmm - off to restart the server |
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| 14:09 | * jdavidb | pings. |
| 14:10 | jdavidb | Anyone else having trouble getting to git.koha.org? |
| 14:11 | chris_n | it times out from here |
| 14:11 | jdavidb | ah-hah. Us too. |
| 14:18 | hdl | jdavidb: here too |
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| 14:19 | jdavidb | Okay. This explains much. We rebooted our development servers yesterday, and thought something got hosed up there. Guess not. |
| 14:20 | * chris_n | sends an email to cfouts asking him to check on the problem |
| 14:22 | hdl | thanks chris_n |
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| 15:06 | schuster | Morning! |
| 15:06 | Is there an easy way to see what resources are hogging CPU time? | |
| 15:07 | jdavidb | "top" |
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| 15:11 | nengard | on the patron import tool it has a matching rule at the end that refers to 'Extended Attributes' |
| 15:11 | what are they? the same as patron attributes? | |
| 15:12 | and why is it asking about replacing them? | |
| 15:16 | schuster | Yes - I use Extended attributes for homerooms - and we load them regularly - but we don't always want to completely replace them unless there is an update to a particular attribute |
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| 15:29 | schuster | karma chris ++ |
| 15:52 | nengard | schuster - I need more explanation - how do I document that - and if we're talking about patron attributes - why are they called extended attributes? |
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| 16:07 | reiko | hi |
| 16:13 | does anyone know where date aquired field is in the database? | |
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| 16:26 | owen | reiko: Maybe you're looking for items.dateaccessioned? That's the date an item was added to the database |
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| 16:34 | schuster | They are patron attributes and I don' t know why they are extended attributes. |
| 16:35 | nengard - does that help? | |
| 16:35 | nengard | schuster - it helps in that I'll report a bug about the wording :) |
| 16:35 | Ata | hi all |
| 16:36 | hi nicol | |
| 16:36 | nengard | hi |
| 16:36 | Ata | I'm here just to ask a question |
| 16:37 | Is there any schedule for release of koha 3.2? | |
| 16:37 | actually i m intrested in its acquisition module | |
| 16:37 | can someone update me? | |
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| 16:40 | wizzyrea_ | at the last meeting we were 4 weeks from RC1? |
| 16:40 | something like that? | |
| 16:40 | last meeting was early november, so a RC should be soon | |
| 16:40 | gmcharlt could answer that | |
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| 16:48 | wizzyrea_ | jdavidb: It must be done. |
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| 16:48 | jwagner | schuster, your message about an IRC KUDOS meeting -- isn't the regular monthly IRC meeting also on December 2? |
| 16:48 | wizzyrea_ | 3 dec, according to the chat topic |
| 16:49 | jwagner | That's the foundation meeting. First Wednesday of the month has been the schedule for the regular devel mtg. gmcharlt? |
| 16:51 | wizzyrea_ | ah, reading fail, sorry |
| 16:52 | * wizzyrea_ | has turnkeylinux.org on the brain and can't think straight |
| 16:52 | wizzyrea_ | ok, I officially loathe AutoGraphics |
| 16:52 | * jwagner | read that as turkeylinux -- can't read straight! |
| 16:52 | owen | jwagner: Me too! |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea_ | their tech department 1. calls me Lisa, 2. keeps asking for information I have already sent 3. are rude about it. |
| 16:53 | owen | And I'm all, I'm not going to download your holiday-specific distro! |
| 16:53 | wizzyrea_ | LOL |
| 16:53 | I love you guys | |
| 16:53 | (but seriously, www.turnkeylinux.org | |
| 16:53 | ) | |
| 16:54 | jdavidb | woot! I finally got an OMG DOO EET from wizzyrea_ ! |
| 16:54 | wizzyrea_ | ...that could be read in so many ways, most of which are dirty, and none of which applicable ^.^ |
| 16:55 | er, none of the dirty ways | |
| 16:55 | only the "you should do that like, so right now" way. | |
| 16:55 | jdavidb | I figured as much. |
| 16:55 | wizzyrea_ | :D |
| 16:56 | that was my best valley girl impression. were you impressed? | |
| 16:56 | jdavidb | Very! |
| 16:59 | Someone requested an Evergreen one on their forums--got turned down. But someone else said, "I'm working on *foo*...how do I share it with y'all?" and they said, "Great! Do <xyz> and we'll take a look!" | |
| 16:59 | So maaaaaybe.. | |
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| 17:00 | wizzyrea_ | yea, I'm guessing that if someone did the work for them (or much of it) they'd include just about anything |
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| 17:00 | wizzyrea_ | I'm sure they don't want to go learning every webapp just to make VM's |
| 17:00 | I downloaded the file server one, and it is HAWT. | |
| 17:00 | so easy to use | |
| 17:01 | owen | A HAWT file server! :) |
| 17:01 | jdavidb | I'll yank in their "core" iso, and see what I can do with it, maybe over the holiday. Wanna make it so all they gotta do to upgrade is "git pull" and run updatedatabase.pl |
| 17:02 | wizzyrea_ | yea, that would be so cool. it would also be cool if someone wrote a koha webmin module |
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| 17:03 | pianohacker | Good morning |
| 17:03 | owen | Hi pianohacker |
| 17:04 | pianohacker | Hi owen |
| 17:04 | How's it going? | |
| 17:04 | owen | Fine. I've been in PHP mode lately rather than Koha mode. |
| 17:04 | wizzyrea_ | mornin PH |
| 17:05 | pianohacker | owen: I'm sorry |
| 17:06 | owen | You can be sorry I'm not in Koha mode, but I don't need your PHP sympathy ;) |
| 17:07 | pianohacker | Don't tell me you enjoy it |
| 17:07 | owen | I enjoy it because I know it and I can make it do stuff |
| 17:08 | * owen | can't say the same about Perl |
| 17:09 | owen | In order to convince me otherwise you'll have to pony up the $2500 for the 5-day Perl workshop nengard and I are wishing we could afford :) |
| 17:11 | Colin | owen: We can do you a free one day one if you come to London |
| 17:11 | owen | An appealing offer! |
| 17:12 | chris | i can probably swing one after the conference |
| 17:12 | a decent number of the CPAN modules koha uses were written by catalyst staff, and we host the wellington perl mongers group | |
| 17:14 | nengard | Colin - that might cost $2000 in expenses just to get to London :) |
| 17:14 | chris | im sure i can rope some in to talk :) |
| 17:15 | nengard | pianohacker - what's wrong with PHP? That's the language I know too |
| 17:15 | pianohacker | It's not very elegant. You can get stuff done in it, though |
| 17:17 | chris | right, october it is, everyone start saving now :) |
| 17:17 | jwagner | pianohacker, er, news for you -- Perl ain't very elegant either :-) |
| 17:17 | * chris | bans language wars from #koha |
| 17:17 | pianohacker | jwagner: Well, there's definitely degrees |
| 17:18 | sekjal | PHP is a perfectly fine language. That said, I'm more interested in working on my Perl (since that's what Koha is written in) |
| 17:18 | * pianohacker | is trying not to provoke one, happily goes along with ban |
| 17:18 | nengard | pianohacker - I got TONS of stuff done with it - all of Jenkins Law Library is running on apps I wrote in PHP |
| 17:18 | pianohacker | we are having a _spirited discussion_, not a war! |
| 17:18 | chris | :) |
| 17:18 | jwagner | chris, could be worse -- we could start a religious war over PC vs Mac vs Linux! |
| 17:18 | nengard | agree - just wonder why people like one language over another |
| 17:18 | I don't know Perl - so I prefer PHP :) hehe | |
| 17:19 | but I do want to learn Perl cause I want to do more with Koha | |
| 17:19 | * owen | already ported his library's intranet apps from ColdFusion to PHP years ago, might as well port them to Perl when I'm able! |
| 17:19 | nengard | hehe |
| 17:20 | * jdavidb | suggests for 3.4, that we convert Koha to COBOL, with Fortran used for the fine-totals-calculations. |
| 17:20 | pianohacker | Watch out, soon you'll be writing them in LISP |
| 17:20 | jwagner | or ADA? |
| 17:20 | nengard | hey - off topic - tv question - what's the big diff between a 720p and a 1080p TV - like is it a big enough diff I'd see it? is it worth $1000 more? |
| 17:21 | * nengard | throws a tomato at jdavidb |
| 17:21 | pianohacker | would depend on the size, and what content you've got going to it |
| 17:21 | owen | nengard: Look for a TV written in Perl. They're more elegant. |
| 17:21 | nengard | pianohacker - just watching TV and I don't want more than 42" |
| 17:21 | pianohacker | Now wait a minute |
| 17:21 | sekjal | nengard: not worth it in my opinion; i'm running Blu-ray on 720p and I'm perfectly happy with the quality |
| 17:21 | jwagner | nengard, the WashPost's tech guy consistently says 720p is fine unless you're going for BluRay or other REALLY hidef stuff. For normal broadcasts you'll never notice the difference. |
| 17:22 | nengard | awesome - thanks all - then I might brave the Black Friday sales for my first hi def tv |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | Man, good luck |
| 17:23 | owen | nengard: I hope you don't have a large library VHS tapes, you'll be shocked at how terrible they look on your new TV |
| 17:23 | nengard | donated all VHS tapes to library before moving the last time |
| 17:23 | * owen | 's kids still have some favorite stuff on VHS |
| 17:23 | nengard | DVDs only |
| 17:23 | * jdavidb | debated going to Best Buy for one of the $199 HP laptops. Then noticed that they'll be giving out tickets at 3 AM. I can't *get* there at 3 AM, period. Prior to 6:30 is unlikely. |
| 17:23 | nengard | no blue ray either - not really sure it's worth the extra $$ |
| 17:24 | * owen | would be justified in torrenting the titles he has on VHS, right, because he owns them, right? |
| 17:24 | nengard | jdavidb - HOLY CRAP - I missed that one |
| 17:24 | chris | jwagner: there is no argument there .. only one is free the rest are proprietary madness ... case closed :) |
| 17:25 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 17:25 | jdavidb | It's not very macho. Be good for someone who just needs something for when they travel, but it's *not* a power-user's box. |
| 17:25 | * jdavidb | is happy with his Eee for travel. |
| 17:26 | gmcharlt | jwagner: yes, first Wednesday of each month is the regular meeting |
| 17:26 | jdavidb | The $199 HP is running Win7, too. Ick. |
| 17:27 | chris | i wonder if you can get it for $-30 if they take the windows tax off |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | Hi, gmcharlt |
| 17:27 | owen | I have on my calendar that Dec. 3 is the next foundation meeting. |
| 17:28 | jwagner | so schuster, you might want to reschedule the KUDOS meeting |
| 17:28 | chris | yup thats right |
| 17:28 | owen | Well, to be fair: the Dec. 2 meeting is early in the morning for US folks. |
| 17:28 | schuster's meeting wouldn't conflict | |
| 17:29 | (unless we had all fallen asleep by then) | |
| 17:29 | jwagner | But 3 IRC meetings in 2 days? The flesh is weak.... |
| 17:30 | owen | It's okay jwagner, only 2 IRC meetings. And one java-something meeting ;) |
| 17:31 | jwagner | A distinction without a difference... |
| 17:31 | chris | i dont think ive had 3 days without an irc meeting |
| 17:32 | :) | |
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| 17:42 | jwagner | Well, chris, if the rest of the world chooses to live so far away from you.... |
| 17:42 | owen | To our detriment I'm sure |
| 17:43 | pianohacker | Harder to pester you to apply patches when you become the rm if we can't threaten an in-person visit |
| 17:43 | jwagner | pianohacker, maybe we need to set up a travel fund so people can go pester chris in person when needed! |
| 17:43 | pianohacker | Hahahaha |
| 17:44 | Best travel scholarship I've heard of | |
| 17:44 | jwagner | I'll volunteer to be the point person for making the trips :-) |
| 17:45 | * jwagner | thinks low blood sugar is contributing to silliness factor. Maybe I'd better go get some lunch.... |
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| 17:58 | wizzyrea_ | hmm. there's a tweetup today in lawrence... should I go? |
| 17:59 | nah. | |
| 17:59 | owen | A tweetup is what, a bunch of random Twitterers getting together to talk about how they all tweet? |
| 18:02 | Colin | You mean you have to count up to 140 while talking? |
| 18:03 | * jdavidb | laughs. |
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| 18:08 | wizzyrea_ | hee |
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| 18:16 | nengard | another doc question - on march export tool -- '# Remove non-local items ' means items not at the library you're exporting for? |
| 18:19 | pianohacker | nengard: Yes, it deletes items that don't have the same branch as the user's home or selected branch |
| 18:19 | items that don't have the same *home* branch | |
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| 18:19 | nengard | wait- if i"m logged in as being at MAIN and then I do the export with all libraries turned on - will it remove items from all but the MAIN branch? |
| 18:20 | and if I'm at MAIN and I choose CENTER as the branch to export for - will it export MAIN and CENTER - or just CENTER? | |
| 18:22 | pianohacker | nengard: will remove all but MAIN for the first, and all but CENTER for the second |
| 18:22 | nengard | good to know - will add that TIP :) thanks!! |
| 18:24 | one more - 'Accession date' means the date acquired right? | |
| 18:24 | pianohacker | Should, yes |
| 18:24 | items.dateaccessioned | |
| 18:24 | nengard | ah |
| 18:24 | thanks | |
| 18:28 | schuster | Thanks owen for verifying what I thought about the IRC chat being like at 5 AM? Central time on Dec 2nd? |
| 18:29 | We had discussed doing the chat for KUDOS not on IRC but more as a CHAT where we could just send out the link and people don't have to figure out how to get on it .. Library types rather than techie. | |
| 18:29 | sorry jwagner | |
| 18:29 | Chris... That branch:901 seems to work! | |
| 18:29 | impacts results display time but will be playing with it. | |
| 18:31 | * jwagner | has been listening to car alarm going off in the parking lot. Anyone got a sledgehammer? |
| 18:32 | schuster | suspect jdavidb - peeking over a cubie to see how long it takes to drive jwagner crazy... |
| 18:32 | jwagner | He Knows Better Than That (she said ominously) |
| 18:33 | On the other hand, it DID just stop.... | |
| 18:34 | pianohacker | o_o |
| 18:34 | * pianohacker | bows |
| 18:34 | pianohacker | jwagner: please don't hurt me |
| 18:35 | jwagner | Now why would I hurt YOU? |
| 18:35 | Other people, maybe.... | |
| 18:35 | jdavidb | because he did it! Weren't me! |
| 18:35 | * jdavidb | points at pianohacker with one hand, and schuster with the other. |
| 18:36 | jwagner | Spreading the blame around, I see :-) |
| 18:36 | jdavidb | There's plenty. |
| 18:36 | Besides, schuster is used to me blaming him. Last December-ish, during his go-live, I blamed him for a lot of my sorrows. | |
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| 18:37 | jwagner | Isn't there an old hymn called Man of Sorrows? |
| 18:38 | (Clearly lunch has done nothing to reduce my silliness factor....) | |
| 18:38 | jdavidb | I think so, yes. |
| 18:38 | * jdavidb | is silly most of the time. It's not fatal. Most of the time. |
| 18:44 | chris | schuster: excellent :) |
| 18:44 | brendan | morning all |
| 18:47 | chris | ok, bus time, will be back in 40 mins or so |
| 18:47 | time to read some terry pratchett on the bus | |
| 18:47 | * chris | wanders off |
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| 19:08 | nengard | afternoon brendan |
| 19:08 | brendan | :) |
| 19:20 | Ropuch | Hi nengard, brendan |
| 19:20 | brendan | howdy Ropuch |
| 19:21 | pianohacker | Hi Ropuch, brendan |
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| 19:34 | |Lupin| | hi all |
| 19:35 | pianohacker | Hi |Lupin| |
| 19:35 | |Lupin| | hey Jesse :) |
| 19:35 | We went live today... :) | |
| 19:36 | pianohacker | Hey, congratulations |
| 19:36 | owen | Congratulations |Lupin|! |
| 19:36 | sekjal | congratulations, |Lupin|! |
| 19:36 | brendan | congrats |Lupin| |
| 19:36 | |Lupin| | thanks :) |
| 19:37 | in case you guys wnna have a look | |
| 19:37 | http://www.serveur-helene.org | |
| 19:37 | any comment welcome cause I have no idea how the site looks, visually :) | |
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| 19:38 | richard | hi |
| 19:39 | |Lupin| | So far the only problem reported is that AddReturn fails for some users |
| 19:40 | Is it possible that it fails because user's branch is different from item's homebranch ? | |
| 19:40 | hi richard | |
| 19:40 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: shouldn't hurt anything |
| 19:40 | mdhafen | I think IndependantBranches has to be on for AddReturn to limit return branch. |
| 19:41 | And it should give a warning | |
| 19:41 | chris_n | |Lupin|: congratulations |
| 19:41 | jwagner | |Lupin| the OPAC looks good, congratulations. Did you do customization on the advanced search screen and the record display? |
| 19:42 | mdhafen | Some of my librarians have reported AddReturn not working all the time, but that might be because they aren't waiting for the page load. Haven't looked into it yet. |
| 19:42 | Record Display is ISBD by default. | |
| 19:43 | jwagner | And for chris or any other translators, I can see a phrase that needs it, maybe more than one. The headers in the facets list (left side of results list) are all English, as is the entry at the top -- Limit to currently available items. Shouldn't these have translations somewhere? |
| 19:43 | mdhafen | seems item types don't have icons either |
| 19:43 | chris | back |
| 19:44 | jwagner | mdhafen, didn't notice the ISBD display, thanks. There are still some interesting features on advanced search. |
| 19:44 | chris | |Lupin|: i sent a patch for that bug with permissions on the opac |
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| 19:45 | hdl | congrats |Lupin |
| 19:45 | jwagner | Actually, |Lupin|, do you have it set to French? I'm seeing English all over the place (advanced search, cart, etc.). |
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| 19:46 | cait | hi #koha |
| 19:46 | chris | |Lupin|: it looks good to me, but yes it is in english (probably my browser settings kicking in) |
| 19:46 | jwagner | Hi cait |
| 19:48 | chris | |Lupin|: very cool, well done |
| 19:48 | |Lupin| | hmm |
| 19:48 | soorry all | |
| 19:48 | waas on phone | |
| 19:48 | chris: yep, wanted to thank you a lot for the patch! it's applied on the helene branch used for the live sstem | |
| 19:48 | chris | excellent |
| 19:49 | collaboration is what makes koha great! | |
| 19:49 | cait | hi jwagner, Lupin, chris |
| 19:49 | |Lupin| | jwagner: it should be all in french... I don't know why there are english things, I used the latest .po file |
| 19:49 | guten Abend cait | |
| 19:49 | chris | |Lupin|: koha will offer you the templates in whatever language your browser says it wants |
| 19:49 | cait | lupin: is your opac online? |
| 19:49 | chris | so since the en templates are there, its giving us those |
| 19:50 | |Lupin| | btw: the git repo is available... git://serveur-helene.org/src/koha should work just fine. The repo is ran from sources, helene branch. |
| 19:50 | chris | cool |
| 19:50 | |Lupin| | cait: yep. www.serveur-helene.org |
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| 19:50 | |Lupin| | chris: ah I see... It's true I didn't see that much english... |
| 19:50 | chris | |Lupin|: you may want to check the settings in syspref tho |
| 19:51 | |Lupin| | chris: which ones ? |
| 19:51 | chris | the localisation ones |
| 19:51 | just to make sure french is set as the default for the opac | |
| 19:51 | |Lupin| | chris: k... in order to set default language to french, you mean ? |
| 19:51 | jwagner | chris, thanks for the tip -- I told my browser to display in French, and everything is now showing up as French. Never Mind. |
| 19:52 | |Lupin| | jwagner: cool ! |
| 19:52 | cait | lupin: cool! |
| 19:52 | |Lupin| | chris: not sure I really want french as the default, frankly... Letting the browser tell what it wants looks fine to me... no ? |
| 19:52 | chris | yep, i think so too |
| 19:52 | |Lupin| | actually, this is not very customised... |
| 19:53 | jwagner: to answer your question: it's the ISBD view but it has been rewritten a lot... | |
| 19:53 | one think my organisation is asking | |
| 19:53 | jwagner | But I would really like whatever you did on the advanced search page, for the serials searching. Have you submitted that? |
| 19:53 | |Lupin| | is that the Koha logo is replaced by something else that identifies the organisaiton more |
| 19:53 | do other libraries also show their own logo ? | |
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| 19:54 | mdhafen | There should be a sys.pref. just for replacing the logo. |
| 19:54 | |Lupin| | jwagner: hmm ! I really think I didn't do anything at all !! |
| 19:54 | cait | mdhafen: isnt there one? opacsmallimage or something? |
| 19:55 | mdhafen | that's what I was thinking. |
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| 19:55 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: is your "should" a wishlist, or are you saying there already is one ? In that case I didn't find it... looked for variables like '%logo%' in systempreferences, couldn't find anything |
| 19:55 | jwagner | Yes, if you load an image file about 120 x 40 pixels somewhere web accessible, then put that address in the opacsmallimage syspref, it should show up. |
| 19:56 | cait | mdhafen: sorry, misunderstanding :( |
| 19:56 | |Lupin| | ah I didn't look for image... cool ! |
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| 19:56 | mdhafen | no problem. I wasn't clear. |
| 19:57 | |Lupin| | cait: anyway many thanks for the pref, you are great |
| 19:57 | jwagner: you mentionned icons for item types... did you mean these "Domiaine public" and "livres sous droits" ? | |
| 19:58 | jwagner | actually, I think it was mdhafen that mentioned those -- I don't like item type icons myself :-) In item type setup, you can assign images to each item type, like a little book or DVD. |
| 19:59 | To me, they just clutter up the screen without adding any great value. But I'm a text person. | |
| 19:59 | |Lupin| | chris (or someone else): in the code for downloading a book AddReturn is called immediately after AddIssue. It's just to record the fact that the book has been downloaded, in order to do some statistics later. Can it be a reason for AddReturn to fail ? |
| 20:00 | mdhafen | yeah, I mentioned the Item Type images. Like jwagner says, some people don't like them. I just noticed because I'm used to seeing them, so it was something different for me. |
| 20:00 | |Lupin| | jwagner: I think you know so am I, too ! :-) |
| 20:00 | jwagner: anyway our readers will be visually impaired persons, so adding icons makes even less sense... | |
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| 20:02 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: I see. Well we only have two item types at the moment: publi domain books and copyrighted books, seems rather difficult to represent those by icons to me anyway |
| 20:03 | mdhafen | hmm, maybe I'm mistaking location for Item type then. |
| 20:04 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: can you give an example of what you call locaiton on our OPAC, please ? Just to make sure we are talking about the same thing... |
| 20:04 | mdhafen | sure. On the advanced search page in the 'limit to any of the following' section, doc, docx, html, odt, pdf, rtf, txt, xml. That's what I'm seeing |
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| 20:05 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: these are collecton codes actually |
| 20:06 | mdhafen | ah. Figured it must be something like that. cool. |
| 20:06 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: collection codes == file formats |
| 20:06 | mdhafen | i see. I didn't know that. |
| 20:06 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: perhaps not that obvious... :-) |
| 20:06 | chris | |Lupin|: I can't see why that would make it fail |
| 20:06 | |Lupin| | so, no clue for this AddReturn problem ? |
| 20:06 | (no warnings in the logs) | |
| 20:06 | mdhafen | lupin: rather I'm not a librarian, so it wasn't obvious to me ;) |
| 20:07 | I'm just a programmer :) | |
| 20:08 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: neither am I so it was not obvious at all how o model our things... |
| 20:08 | chris | |Lupin|: is it just silently not returning items? |
| 20:08 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: as chris said, we had (have) to bend Koha a little bit to suit our needs, but since Koha is flexible it was cactually possible to bend it |
| 20:09 | chris: it doesn't return items and the first argument of the returned list is 0 | |
| 20:09 | chris: that is, the returnok thing says the retrn failed, and my script sees that and prints an error message. | |
| 20:09 | mdhafen | lupin: certainly. There are many places for bending... perhaps this contributed to my confusion ;) |
| 20:10 | |Lupin| | chris: and indeed there are some issues in the issues table, which are precisely those that are not returned, if I understand things correctly |
| 20:10 | chris | yep |
| 20:10 | without poking round a bit, i don't have many suggestings im afraid | |
| 20:10 | |Lupin| | chris: once an issue has been returned it is moved to oldissues, right ? |
| 20:11 | chris | yes |
| 20:11 | and it should ahve its returndate set | |
| 20:11 | |Lupin| | chris: np... will try to debug that... just wanted to check nobody knows before diving |
| 20:11 | chris: well the issues are not moved... | |
| 20:11 | * chris_n | spends the morning debugging a rounding problem :-P |
| 20:12 | |Lupin| | chris: how pleasant this must be... :/ |
| 20:13 | chris_n: hi, and thanks a lot for having submitted Bug 3800 :) thanks to you and chris it's fixed now. Amazing what two chriss can achieve... | |
| 20:13 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3800 minor, PATCH-Sent, ---, chris bigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, In OPAC when a logged in user tries to reach a page for which he/she does not have permission, the message saying "Koha doesn't think you have permission" is not displayed. |
| 20:14 | chris_n | |Lupin|: always glad to help |
| 20:14 | chris | im glad we have lots of mirrors of git.koha.org now |
| 20:14 | git once again shows how much better distributed version control is | |
| 20:15 | i remember when sourceforge used to go down | |
| 20:15 | mdhafen | I noticed git.koha.org wasn't responding. I'm curious what happened to it? |
| 20:15 | chris | now when git.koha.org disappears its an annoyance not a show stoppper |
| 20:15 | mdhafen: not sure, it happened last month too | |
| 20:16 | |Lupin| | yeah it's cool to have git |
| 20:16 | mdhafen | I know my mirror is at least 1 commit behind, but it was a .po update, so I wasn't eager to apply it yesterday. |
| 20:16 | yes, git is very cool | |
| 20:16 | |Lupin| | btw |
| 20:16 | is there some kind of freeze on master ? | |
| 20:17 | chris | feature freeze |
| 20:17 | |Lupin| | I didn't see any commit for a month and a half or so... |
| 20:17 | chris | galen is super busy, but is going to be doing merges and applying patches (bug fix patches) shortly |
| 20:17 | |Lupin| | chris: rightt, but not even bugfixes have been pushed to the pub repo I think |
| 20:17 | mdhafen | I'll be glad to see patches on master again :) |
| 20:18 | |Lupin| | mdhafen: me too |
| 20:18 | one thing I noticed when our librarian started to add members | |
| 20:19 | is that the user category which is selecte by default seems to be the first one in alphabetical order | |
| 20:19 | chris | yup, im sure galen is well aware of it too, maybe the gates foundation can give us 1million and we can pay fulltime release managers :-) |
| 20:19 | |Lupin| | which is not very suitable for us because it's the ADMIN category, almost nobody is in that category... |
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| 20:20 | |Lupin| | would be nice to be able to specify a default category or even to assign ranks to them to define in which order they should appear in the list |
| 20:21 | pianohacker | But then they wouldn't be alphabetic, and some librarian would look at it and have a _stroke_ |
| 20:21 | * jdavidb | thinks pianohacker has librarians figured out. |
| 20:23 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: well one could they sort first by rank, second alphabetically, so one would just have to give rank 1 to all the categories to have the current behaviour. rank could be 1 by default anyway... |
| 20:24 | jwagner | I had to pull a trick with item creation on one site -- wish it could be done for patrons. |
| 20:24 | cait | lupin: are they sorted by code or by description? for description you could just add something like a blank to your "default" |
| 20:24 | pianohacker | I think it would probably best just to give a default category |
| 20:24 | mdhafen | yeah, we could have another sys.pref. for that ;) |
| 20:24 | jwagner | Because the blasted 942c insists on being used for item type in several places, and no one ever fills it in, I set it to default to Book rather than the first thing in line (which was a non-circulating item type). That way at least the item will show up. |
| 20:25 | |Lupin| | http://pastebin.com/f31d0ca2f |
| 20:25 | jwagner | I'd _really_ like to get rid of biblioitems.itemtype.... |
| 20:25 | pianohacker | jwagner: even with item-level_itypes on? |
| 20:25 | jwagner | Yep. |
| 20:25 | |Lupin| | anybody seems something weird in this issue table ? |
| 20:25 | pianohacker | jwagner: There was a proposed db update to completely excise biblioitems.itemtype, not sure what happened to it |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| I contend that anywhere it is logical to do so, the logged in branch should always be the branch selected. I'm for contextual defaults. |
| 20:26 | and alphabetized after that :P | |
| 20:26 | * jdavidb | gets out his excising machete...er...knife. |
| 20:26 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: only thing that I notice is that issuingbranch is not set |
| 20:26 | jwagner | pianohacker, I'd vote yes on that as many times as they'd let me! |
| 20:26 | wizzyrea_ | 200, to be exact |
| 20:27 | jwagner | (Does Koha community allow for vote rigging? Register all the people in the cemeteries, quick!) |
| 20:27 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: I'm sorry, I didn't understand what you mean.. |
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| 20:27 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| I mean, in response to your ranking of list items suggestion |
| 20:27 | sorry that was ages ago :P | |
| 20:29 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: I wonder whehter there isn't a misunderstanding... Do we gree that the suggestion was to use ranks just for user categories and not for other lists ? |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea_: no it as not so long ago and I realized it was related, but still I didn't understand;.. I'm sorry... most certainly due to my limited skills in english | |
| 20:29 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| I think those should be contextual: i.e. the user categories of the logged in branch should always be on top, then alphabetical after that |
| 20:30 | |Lupin| I have a fairly strong consortial workflow bias. :P | |
| 20:30 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: oh I didn't rrealise each branch can have different categories !! |
| 20:30 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| well, ours do :) |
| 20:31 | (if we are talking about the same categories) | |
| 20:31 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: is that lined with independent branches being set ? |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| no, we have indy branches off |
| 20:31 | |Lupin | |
| 20:31 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: borrowers.categorycode <-- I'm talking about these |
| 20:31 | wizzyrea_ | | we are one giant happy db sharing consortium |
| 20:32 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: ok |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| Yep we are talking about the same thing |
| 20:32 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: ok |
| 20:32 | jwagner | wizzyrea, how are you linking category codes to branches? I don't see any field in the setup for that. Is it just defining them with the branch name so people can see it? |
| 20:33 | wizzyrea_ | jwagner: yep, example ATCHISON has ATCH-DIST |
| 20:33 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: does it matter what the value of issuingbranch is ? I can certainly define it to be the homebranch of the item or something like that, it doesn't matter too much which branch it is... |
| 20:34 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: It might be related to your returns problem, hard to say |
| 20:34 | * pianohacker | knows as little about branch transfer logic as possible |
| 20:34 | |Lupin| | jwagner: thanks for having asked the quesiton, I was about to inspect the tables :) |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea_: anyway, if the categoies are not linked to branches in the db, then I don't see how your ordering could be implemented... it would require to add a branch field in the table where categories are defined... | |
| 20:35 | jwagner | wizzyrea, I was about to get code-envy, thanks for clarifying. For true consortial work, it would be nice to specify branch for item types, collection codes, patron categories, etc. etc....... |
| 20:35 | wizzyrea_ | |Lupin| true, it would be quite a change |
| 20:36 | mdhafen | or specify branch group |
| 20:36 | |Lupin| | boooooh... so many things to code... |
| 20:36 | wizzyrea_ | jwagner: it *would* be nice to be able to specify, but I think we like the simplicity that molding our libraries into set itypes/ccodes allows |
| 20:36 | (and boy howdy, do we mold them... heh) | |
| 20:37 | |Lupin| I'm glad you said that, it helps me to understand the complexity of the problem. | |
| 20:37 | * wizzyrea_ | puts that on her list of things to suggest as enhancement... |
| 20:38 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea_: I'm also glad to know your wish... never thought about per-branches categories... opens interesting tracks ! |
| 20:41 | chris | anyone know when git.koha.org first went down? |
| 20:41 | wizzyrea_ | ew, it's down? |
| 20:42 | jdavidb | We first noticed it here this morning. |
| 20:42 | brendan | no idea here -- just trying to get to it about 45 minutes ago |
| 20:42 | chris | so how long since you noticed it jdavidb? |
| 20:42 | jdavidb | 7 hours, more or less. |
| 20:43 | wizzyrea_ | nice! |
| 20:43 | jwagner | I tried to do a git pull about 7:45 AM US Eastern time, with no luck. |
| 20:43 | Thought it was our server at first. | |
| 20:43 | chris | whats the time there now? |
| 20:43 | jwagner | 3:45 PM Eastern |
| 20:43 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: well... if it's an issuing branch problem, then I would expect AddIssue rather than AddReturn to complain and fail |
| 20:44 | * |Lupin| | has to confess talking so much is just a way of procrastinating... |
| 20:44 | jwagner | git pull did work yesterday morning -- I was working on something then & did one. |
| 20:45 | chris | ta |
| 20:45 | hdl | chris : it noticed that around 11AM UTC+1 |
| 20:45 | chris | thanks hdl |
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| 20:51 | hdl | chris_n: is that you who revamped labels work ? I have some questions about PDF::Reuse and its "handiness" |
| 20:51 | chris_n: I am working on a feature for 3.2 which would add the ability to upload file for Notices. | |
| 20:51 | wizzyrea_ | hdl: really!!!! |
| 20:52 | hdl | But I ponder whether HTML file or PDF file should be better handled. |
| 20:53 | PDF File seems to be a pain in the neck to edit | |
| 20:53 | But HTML File would add yet another one dependancy. | |
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| 20:54 | pianohacker | hdl: wouldn't html be easier for email notices? |
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| 20:58 | hdl | pianohacker: i lean to that |
| 20:58 | chris | yeah |
| 20:59 | html gets my vote | |
| 20:59 | hdl | But then i have to find a way to translate HTML to PDF for printing |
| 20:59 | pianohacker | hdl: Can't you just use print css, page-break-after and the like, and just print from the html? |
| 21:00 | hdl | it would be process_message_queue which would print the file |
| 21:00 | (for those who donot have any email) | |
| 21:01 | + HTML syntax could be adapted to be TT Like | |
| 21:01 | jwagner | hdl, I've got to head out, but we've done several print notice development features -- haven't submitted them yet. Basically they run an HTML formatted notice to a file in a directory that's web accessible so staff can pull up the file & print them. |
| 21:01 | See Bug 3482 | |
| 21:01 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3482 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, NEW, Print overdue and hold notices for patrons without email addresses |
| 21:02 | jwagner | I'll be unavailable tomorrow morning but email me or talk to jdavidb if you want more info. |
| 21:02 | Gotta run, sorry. | |
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| 21:03 | pianohacker | I should also head out, no need to stay late now that school's caught up |
| 21:03 | Bye all! | |
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| 21:08 | chris | update from clay |
| 21:09 | he's a good man | |
| 21:15 | hdl | really |
| 21:16 | ok good night folks | |
| 21:16 | chris | sleep well hdl |
| 21:18 | |Lupin| | chris: http://pastebin.com/f33545f02 |
| 21:18 | chris: I just dumped the $messages returned by AddReturn, that's the result | |
| 21:19 | chris: I think I didn't take some constraint on branches into account... ? | |
| 21:20 | chris | ahhh sounds like yes its not liking you returning it at the wrong branch |
| 21:21 | |Lupin| | chris: in our system each item has a home branch and a holding branch... I used homebranch to represent the organisaiton which actually owns the file, i.e. which provided it. holdingbranch has the same value for every item... |
| 21:22 | chris | you might have a syspref set |
| 21:22 | that says items must be returned to their homebranch | |
| 21:22 | and that might be causing this | |
| 21:22 | |Lupin| | wht I don't quite understand is that the same script invoking just AddIssue with a barcode worked on the dev KOha and fails on the prod KOha, databases being roughly speaking the same... |
| 21:23 | chris | syspref different? |
| 21:23 | |Lupin| | chris: normally not |
| 21:24 | chris: what I usually do is that I dump the db on the prod system and load it on the dev one | |
| 21:24 | chris: I'm just redoing the dump of the prod and reloding on the dev system to see what happens | |
| 21:27 | ah with a fresh dump it fails on the dev install, too... | |
| 21:28 | strange... don't think I've changed systempreferences recently... | |
| 21:30 | chris | lemme find the syspref for ya |
| 21:33 | |Lupin| | chris: I think it's IndependantBranches |
| 21:33 | chris | do you have IndependantBranches set to on? |
| 21:33 | yeah | |
| 21:33 | |Lupin| | isn't it ? |
| 21:33 | chris | try turning that off |
| 21:33 | |Lupin| | chris: yes, and I don't know why to be honnest... |
| 21:34 | (this does not explain why it previously worked on the dev install but perhaps I'm not gonna try to understand this... | |
| 21:34 | chris: is it okay to turn it off while being live ? not know strange side-effect ? | |
| 21:34 | chris | it should be fine, try it on dev first tho |
| 21:35 | ie turn it off and see if it fixes the problem on dev | |
| 21:35 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah good idea, thanks :) |
| 21:35 | chris: thogh the troubles may not appear immediately on the dev install .. the consequences may come to the surface only later in the future... | |
| 21:36 | chris: yep | |
| 21:36 | chris | it was more testing it actually fixed the problem |
| 21:36 | 90% of koha users run with it turned off | |
| 21:36 | its really only for consortia | |
| 21:37 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... I think we don't need it anyway. |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea_ | and sometimes not even for them >.> |
| 21:37 | chris | yeah |
| 21:41 | cait | hm time to sleep, koha presentation tomorrow - good night #koha |
| 21:41 | brendan | night cait |
| 21:41 | cait left #koha | |
| 21:41 | brendan | yo wizzyrea |
| 21:42 | to wizzyrea_ | |
| 21:42 | wizzyrea_ | sup |
| 21:44 | brendan | just waving hi :) |
| 21:47 | |Lupin| | chris: yep turning off IndependantBranches fixed the problem, thanks a lot |
| 21:47 | chris | np |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea_ | oh hi brendan :) |
| 21:48 | schuster | chris - FYI the only tweak to the branches was to "(branch:001 or branch:901)" otherwise it would bring up ALL of 901 materials |
| 21:49 | chris | ahh right |
| 21:49 | glad it worked | |
| 21:50 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah big relief that this issue is solved... still much to do and it's my last week as an employee, so there is some pressure :) |
| 21:51 | chris | |Lupin|: when do you leave for india? |
| 21:51 | brendan | hope we don't lose you from koha |Lupin| |
| 21:52 | |Lupin| | chris: mid december... |
| 21:52 | brendan: normally not... :) comunity is so nice that I'm attached ! | |
| 21:52 | the buddhist library will use KOha to, and Drupal... | |
| 21:57 | bty did anybody already play with sopac ? | |
| 21:57 | schuster | I thought Biblibre did... |
| 21:59 | chris | yes Biblibre has |
| 21:59 | |Lupin| | maybe... they have written some documentaiton at least, so certainly they played with it |
| 21:59 | chris | and has committed all their work |
| 22:00 | |Lupin| | chris: but when AddReturn is called, is the branch argument used to update the biblo or items table ? |
| 22:00 | chris | items, and the marcxml in biblioitems |
| 22:00 | |Lupin| | chris: where ? in KOha's repository ? |
| 22:00 | chris | id show you but i cant :) |
| 22:00 | |Lupin| | chris: it updates the homebranch, right ? |
| 22:01 | chris | holding |
| 22:01 | home is only changed when cataloguing | |
| 22:01 | brendan | http://demo.sopac.biblibre.com/ |
| 22:01 | chris | holdingbranch = where it is now |
| 22:01 | http://git.catalyst.net.nz/gw?[…]ds/biblibre-sopac | |
| 22:01 | there is a copy of their sopac branch, its on git.koha.org too i think, as well as git.biblibre.com | |
| 22:03 | |Lupin| | chris: thank you |
| 22:03 | this is certainly worth giving it a try... | |
| 22:04 | chris: I assume there is no easy way to not update the items table on return... too bad perhaps we'll end up not calling AddIssue / AddReturn at all but then we'll have o log downloads manually and do the statistics ourselves... | |
| 22:05 | chris | you can of course pass it the branch you want it to update to |
| 22:05 | if you always pass it the same branch, that will ahve the same effect as never updating it | |
| 22:07 | |Lupin| | chris: except that it will modify the accessiondate and add some "noise" in the logs, no ? |
| 22:07 | chris | yep |
| 22:07 | not accessiondate | |
| 22:07 | |Lupin| | chris: but yes, what you are suggesting is what is currently implemented |
| 22:07 | chris | that never changes |
| 22:07 | datelastseen does | |
| 22:07 | |Lupin| | chris: ok. so just noise in the logs... |
| 22:08 | chris: right | |
| 22:08 | btw, how is the due_dae calculated ? | |
| 22:09 | chris | uses the rules you defined in admin |
| 22:09 | i think defaults to 21 days if you didnt define any | |
| 22:11 | |Lupin| | chris: right... well shouldn't be a problem since the boks are returned immediately after having been issued... |
| 22:11 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:14 | |Lupin| | chris: when rising problems I sometimes feel guilty for "bending" koha as you said last time :) |
| 22:15 | chris | :) |
| 22:18 | schuster | gobble gobble off to spend the holiday with family! Have a great rest of the week folks. |
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| 22:25 | bebbi | Hello! |
| 22:25 | imp | heyho |
| 22:26 | chris | hi bebbi |
| 22:27 | |Lupin| | guten Abend bebbi |
| 22:28 | bebbi | There ist only "Koha V2.2.9 Stable Release for Windows for downloading" and not V 3 - why? |
| 22:28 | Guten Abend |Lupin| | |
| 22:28 | chris | because until very recently there were some modules in use with 3 that couldnt be installed on windows |
| 22:29 | also, for most of the developers (myself included) making it work on a proprietary operating system is low on the list of priorities | |
| 22:29 | bebbi | Oh thats not good for me ;-) |
| 22:30 | |Lupin| | yeah very low... |
| 22:30 | chris | chris_n has been doing some work with windows i think he has gotten it to a point wheer it is installable, but still lots of hoops to jump through |
| 22:31 | |Lupin| | ~/src/koha$ grep Windows TODOLIST |
| 22:31 | ~/src/koha$ | |
| 22:31 | imp | -i ? ;) |
| 22:32 | |Lupin| | ~/src/koha$ grep -i win TODOLIST |
| 22:32 | ~/src/koha$ | |
| 22:32 | chris | chris_n: are you about? |
| 22:32 | |Lupin| | chris: btw: no idea what to reponsd re:braille embossing under Linux... |
| 22:33 | chris | |Lupin|: me either |
| 22:33 | |Lupin| | chris: braille printers are so different that it seems hardly doable to have them used transparently by Koha just as if they were traditional printers |
| 22:33 | bebbi | I ask, because it seemed to me, that the German translation is accessible since V 3... |
| 22:34 | chris | bebbi: where in germany are you? you just missed cait who is responsible for that german translation |
| 22:34 | * imp | guesses lower saxony |
| 22:34 | |Lupin| | yeah and seems definitely a great responsible |
| 22:35 | imp: ran a whois on the IP ? | |
| 22:35 | imp | nope |
| 22:35 | 23:23 -!- bebbi [~Mirandai53875EB8.versanet.de] has joined #koha |
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| 22:35 | versatel is iirc telephone / internetprovider from bremen | |
| 22:35 | |Lupin| | ok |
| 22:35 | bebbi | Bochum |
| 22:36 | |Lupin| | imp: are you using irssi ? |
| 22:36 | imp | |Lupin|: yes |
| 22:36 | bebbi | You ????� |
| 22:36 | know | |
| 22:36 | * imp | is from hannover |
| 22:36 | |Lupin| | irssi++ |
| 22:36 | * chris | is from wellington, new zealand |
| 22:36 | |Lupin| | imp++ |
| 22:36 | good day NZ ! | |
| 22:37 | here it's almost time for a sleep, so, goodnight all and till soon | |
| 22:37 | chris | night |Lupin| |
| 22:37 | imp | chris: it's nearly time for lunch, right? |
| 22:37 | chris | yep, 20 mins or so |
| 22:37 | |Lupin| | thanks chris |
| 22:38 | Auf wiedersehen Deutschland | |
| 22:38 | imp | |Lupin|: you are from? |
| 22:38 | |Lupin| | imp: France |
| 22:38 | bebbi | If there are technical Problems for a new editon for windows ... i have a problem :-( |
| 22:38 | Tsch�ss Frankreich | |
| 22:38 | |Lupin| | bonne nuit ! |
| 22:38 | bebbi | Adieu Missieu |
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| 22:39 | chris | you cant run it on a linux server? (all the clients using it can run windows of course) |
| 22:39 | it is just a website after all, so anything that can run a browser can access it | |
| 22:39 | bebbi | I hav'nt a server ... |
| 22:39 | chris | ahh |
| 22:39 | how big is the library? | |
| 22:39 | if it is small | |
| 22:40 | then you could run the vmware image | |
| 22:40 | http://contribs.koha.org/exten[…]ns.php?category=9 | |
| 22:40 | imp | can you run koha with xampp? |
| 22:40 | chris | imp: conceivably |
| 22:40 | imp: im not sure anyone has | |
| 22:40 | bebbi | Oh, its only for me ... i'm interessted in ILS and i have books and lotts of News-Paper articles ... |
| 22:41 | chris | ahh then that vmware image is perfect |
| 22:41 | you can get the free vmware player for windows | |
| 22:41 | and run koha as a virtual machine | |
| 22:41 | bebbi | It seems to be complicated - or not ? |
| 22:42 | chris | i dont think its too bad, certainly far less complicated than getting 3 running on windows |
| 22:43 | another option is the livecd | |
| 22:43 | that might be easier | |
| 22:43 | http://mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ | |
| 22:44 | bebbi | Ok, than it's my next job to install vmware |
| 22:44 | chris | with the livecd you download the .iso write a cd, then you can boot from that and run koha |
| 22:44 | which is a good way to test without installing anything | |
| 22:46 | bebbi | But a live-Cd is bot so comfortable ...but good for testing - yes |
| 22:47 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:48 | bebbi | *nod* ???? |
| 22:48 | chris | picture me nodding my head |
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| 22:48 | chris | :) |
| 22:51 | bebbi | Ah,ok |
| 22:52 | My keyboard-Layout switch to Hebrew evry minute currently ... :-( | |
| 22:52 | brendan | chris any word from the debian guys - to package koha |
| 22:52 | chris | its not really up to them |
| 22:53 | basically vincent danjean has done 90% of the work | |
| 22:53 | we just have to fix some stuff | |
| 22:53 | so it can be finished | |
| 22:53 | brendan | thanks - just curious |
| 22:53 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]an_packaging_work |
| 22:53 | written up here | |
| 22:53 | basically it just has to be done | |
| 22:54 | bebbi | Thank you for the support ... |
| 22:54 | chris | and then we can let him know we have fixed the blockers |
| 22:54 | and hopefully get it finished off | |
| 22:54 | bebbi: no problem, hope you get it up and working | |
| 22:55 | brendan: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]r_to_package_koha | |
| 22:55 | brendan | reading through it now :) |
| 22:55 | chris | :) |
| 22:56 | bebbi | It seems to be difficult ... e.g. Because of I have to reed many english texts ... and my English is not realy good :-( |
| 22:57 | chris | if you try to come back here in about 10 hours time (ie during your day) |
| 22:57 | you might be able to catch cait | |
| 22:57 | and she might be able to help | |
| 22:59 | bebbi | I will try my best ... an in Germany we say "Du w�chst mit deinen Aufgaben" (You get better with your problems) |
| 22:59 | chris | in english we say |
| 22:59 | "What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger" | |
| 23:00 | bebbi | Ok |
| 23:00 | Thats the same meassage :-) | |
| 23:00 | chris | yep |
| 23:02 | imp | chris: 1:1 in german: "was dich nicht t�tet, macht dich st�rker" |
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| 23:41 | Nate | until tomorrow #Koha! |
| 23:41 | Nate left #koha | |
| 23:44 | russ | chris: i'll be freeish after next week to help start sorting conference stuff |
| 23:45 | 313/6 happy with that :-) |
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