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| 00:18 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 00:18 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 17.9�C (4:16 PM PST on November 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 34%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Falling). |
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| 02:00 | pianohacker | what are you up to, brendan? |
| 02:02 | brendan | I guess losing wireless eh? |
| 02:06 | pianohacker | Well then |
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| 02:24 | pianohacker | Good night, #koha |
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| 03:19 | chris_n2 | g'evening |
| 03:19 | brendan | evening chris_n2 |
| 03:19 | * brendan | just heading out the door to see 2012 |
| 03:19 | brendan | later all |
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| 03:27 | Amit | hi brendan, chris_n2 |
| 03:28 | chris_n2 | Hi Amit |
| 03:31 | some interesting discussion about a new FOSS ILS which mentions Koha and Evergreen: http://oleproject.org/overview/ | |
| 03:32 | I wonder why they are dumping money into re-inventing the wheel rather than dumping it into helping Koha and EG include the features they would like to see added? | |
| 03:33 | chris | cos they are the smartest people in the world |
| 03:34 | its been going a year or 2 now, in a year or so they might have a spec, in 5 more years some code, meanwhile the goal posts have shifted again | |
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| 05:40 | chris_n2 | on-the-fly re-write of barcodes... interesting and unique |
| 06:48 | chris | yeah, and not something we'd want to do i dont think |
| 06:50 | Ropuch | Good morning #koha |
| 06:54 | chris_n2 | Ropuch: g'morning && g'night ;-) |
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| 07:00 | brendan | Hi Amit |
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| 07:59 | amadan | which version of GD is required for koha? |
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| 08:04 | kf | good morning :) |
| 08:05 | amadan | good morning |
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| 08:22 | hdl | hi |
| 08:25 | amadan: perl-GD version 2.39 | |
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| 08:47 | amadan | hi HDL, any idea where i can download it? I don't seem to find it anywhere |
| 08:49 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~lds/GD-2.39/ |
| 08:49 | Im not sure it has to be 2.39 .. i think 2.39 or later | |
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| 08:51 | chris | i suspect anything later than 2.39 will be fine |
| 08:55 | Amit | heya nicomo, kf |
| 08:55 | nicomo | hi Amit |
| 08:55 | hi kf and all | |
| 08:57 | kf | hi Amit and nicomo |
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| 09:08 | hdl | hi chris |
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| 09:37 | amadan | thks guys |
| 09:42 | imp | moin |
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| 09:55 | kf | morgen imp |
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| 10:18 | indradg | hdl, around? |
| 10:19 | nicomo, ping | |
| 10:19 | nicomo | hi indradg |
| 10:19 | hdl | hi indradg |
| 10:21 | indradg | nicomo, hdl sorry to bug you guy... need a spot of help... /me is not near any Koha install atm... I just need the schema for the users table... in a meeting discussion ldap integration |
| 10:21 | guys* | |
| 10:21 | is it online in the docs? | |
| 10:22 | hdl | indradg: i think so. |
| 10:23 | Amit | hi hdl, indradg |
| 10:23 | hdl | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]elopment:dbschema |
| 10:24 | indradg | Amit, hi there |
| 10:24 | hdl, checking! | |
| 10:24 | Amit | heya indradg |
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| 10:32 | indradg | hdl, thanks, just what i needed to point to :) |
| 10:34 | amadan | Hi I have installed koha 3.0 |
| 10:36 | i get the maintenance page | |
| 10:37 | how do i get the opac page? | |
| 10:40 | kf | amadan: have you already run the web installer? |
| 10:42 | amadan: try your current url with :8080 at the end | |
| 10:43 | amadan | yes i get a login |
| 10:43 | with 8080 | |
| 10:44 | chris | and you have logged in and run the web installer? |
| 10:46 | amadan | one moment |
| 10:53 | thks guys working perfectly now | |
| 10:54 | hehe...reaaalllllyyyyyyyyy excited:-D8-) | |
| 10:55 | one more thing though, can one remove the test libraries after they have been loaded | |
| 10:56 | optional libraries | |
| 10:56 | chris | as long as they have no items assigned to them, then yes you can |
| 10:56 | amadan | and the process....? |
| 10:57 | basically drop the databases right? | |
| 10:57 | chris | no, dont do that |
| 10:57 | amadan | ok |
| 10:58 | chris | you can delete the rows from the appropriate tables, if you drop the database you will need to run the installer again |
| 10:58 | * chris | goes to sleep |
| 10:59 | amadan | i c |
| 11:00 | good 2 knoow thks | |
| 11:00 | Amit | hi chris one more library live on koha in india http://library.christuniversity.in/ |
| 11:17 | magnusenger | Amit: cool! ;-) |
| 11:17 | Amit | hi magusenger |
| 11:24 | kf | Ropuch: around? |
| 11:24 | Ropuch | kf: yup |
| 11:25 | kf | Ropuch: trying z39.50 download from gbv - does this work for you? |
| 11:26 | Ropuch | Yes, I've got lots of revcords from gbv via z3950 serach&import |
| 11:26 | kf | hm |
| 11:27 | dont know why its not working here :( | |
| 11:29 | Ropuch | http://bagno.be/gbv.png |
| 11:29 | My settings for bgv | |
| 11:29 | gbv | |
| 11:30 | kf | Ropuch: thx! |
| 11:31 | Ropuch | [; |
| 11:31 | kf | Ropuch: password wrong - thank you for your fast help :) Ropuch++ |
| 11:32 | now lunch time :) | |
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| 12:18 | imp | http://pastebin.ca/1674738 should I fix something or can i run make upgrade? |
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| 12:38 | amadan | Help, how can you uninstall koha from fedora |
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| 12:44 | imp | amadan: just a guess: make uninstall ? |
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| 13:04 | kf | amadan: I think there is no automatic uninstall possible atm |
| 13:04 | amadan: there was a script on the mailinglist for uninstall a while ago, but dont know if it woult work for fedora | |
| 13:05 | chris_n | g'morning #koha |
| 13:20 | indradg | morning chris_n |
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| 13:28 | hdl | hi chris_n |
| 13:31 | jwagner | Good morning all. |
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| 13:34 | jdavidb | Howdy, owen. |
| 13:34 | owen | Good morning |
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| 13:55 | hdl | hi owen |
| 13:55 | hi jdavidb | |
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| 14:02 | schuster | Howdy all! |
| 14:02 | I have a question about indexing... Is there a recommendation on rebuilding Zebra? Our searching is slowing down and was wondering what I could do to speed it up. | |
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| 14:08 | hdl | schuster: try rebuilding_zebra with option nosanitize and -x on (HEAD code only iirc) |
| 14:14 | jwagner | Question for people on the XSLT OPAC results list -- does having the call number in the results list serve any useful purpose? There's a spacing problem and it seems to only pick up the first call number per site anyway. |
| 14:17 | owen | jwagner: Do you have a live example or a screenshot? |
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| 14:20 | jwagner | This isn't the best example (the site I'm presently working on isn't available yet), but see http://mtpl.ptfsinc.com/cgi-bi[…]pl?q=harry+potter -- the spacing problem is that there's no space between the library name and call number. That's easily fixed, but I can't see any real reason to show call number at all. |
| 14:21 | owen | The reason would be if one of those items had a different call number. |
| 14:21 | jwagner | But it doesn't show all the call numbers for one branch on the hitlist anyway. |
| 14:22 | owen | I see what you're saying: if there is more than one call number at a single branch it only shows the first? |
| 14:22 | jwagner | This site isn't the best example, but there are cases when there might be different call numbers on the same title, like Large print, etc. |
| 14:22 | Yes, so far as I can tell, it just picks up what it considers the first one (chronological?) | |
| 14:23 | I've already removed call number entirely for one site; just wondering if that might be a generally useful thing. | |
| 14:23 | owen | Yeah, I see that behavior too. |
| 14:24 | I'd say: 1) Add a space to the XSL. 2) File a bug for the problem of the call numbers being consolidated incorrectly. | |
| 14:25 | I wouldn't eliminate the call number because we don't have good information on whether others find it useful | |
| 14:25 | jwagner | I'm not sure you can even say they're being consolidated incorrectly -- you really don't want to show ALL the call numbers on this screen and it has to pick one somehow. But it's annoying.... |
| 14:27 | owen | I don't know how Koha is handling large numbers of items in this display. Is there some kind of logic for preventing an overflowing list? |
| 14:28 | jwagner | Not that I can see -- I'm looking at the XSLT code and it just says to loop through all of the holding libraries. |
| 14:29 | owen | We need a good example of a big library with lots of branches |
| 14:30 | (and then we need to know whether or not they're on LEK) :( | |
| 14:30 | * owen | would like to see some different examples |
| 14:30 | jwagner | That would be good -- any ideas for large sites using XSLT? |
| 14:31 | Oops, gotta run for a conference call -- back in a bit. | |
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| 14:45 | wizzyrea | jwagner: if you're referring to the call number display in the results list next to each library, please don't take it out |
| 14:45 | in our case, we would rather get rid of the LC call number | |
| 14:46 | because only the individual call numbers make sense | |
| 14:46 | owen | Hi wizzyrea. What are the circumstances that lead to LC call no. being shown? Where is that stored? |
| 14:46 | * wizzyrea | is pretty big, lots of branchese, and not on LEK |
| 14:46 | jwagner | wizzyrea, that's what I needed to hear -- that somebody does actually use that one. (Yes,I was referring to the call number following the branch name) |
| 14:46 | wizzyrea | here, let me get you an example search |
| 14:47 | jwagner | I don't see LC call number on the results list, though. |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | sorry phone |
| 14:49 | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…]rch.pl?q=twilight | |
| 14:50 | it doesn't always show the LC | |
| 14:50 | only if there is one in the record | |
| 14:50 | jwagner | owen, I think you were working on a fix for the OPAC record display to sort by library -- is that nearly done? I'm having to do local changes for several different sites; I'd rather submit a patch just to swap item type & location for now, & wait for your more intensive fixes later. |
| 14:50 | wizzyrea | but if it is there, it's nonsensical |
| 14:50 | esp in our environs | |
| 14:50 | jwagner: see #4 on that results list I just sent | |
| 14:51 | jwagner | That's the one I'm looking at. You want to keep the display e.g. Wetmore Public Library[T MEYE] (1), Meriden Community Library[YA F MEYE] (1) |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 14:51 | but see how it shows the LC call number? | |
| 14:51 | jwagner | OK, I'll just fix the space problem then. |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | that makes no sense, since that number doesn't correlate to any library in our system |
| 14:51 | it's just a peeve >.> | |
| 14:51 | owen | wizzyrea: I could be wrong, but it seems to me that we *should* take out the display of the LC call number, since any library really using LC would be putting it in itemcallnumber. Does that sound right? |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | well, yes, I think I could agree with that |
| 14:52 | I know we wanted to get rid of it | |
| 14:52 | (we talked about that last week, removing it with jquery, but the spans aren't unique enough) | |
| 14:52 | owen | Was that a non-starter with your vendor? |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | we're not really pursuing any real issues with our vendor at the moment |
| 14:53 | we have a migration coming, we told them to leave us the &(%^ | |
| 14:53 | jdavidb | :-o |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | alone |
| 14:53 | so we are not making any decisions on LEK until at least january | |
| 14:54 | jwagner | I can't really see where that's coming from. I know it's from the 050 field, but the MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl doesn't seem to have it. |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | jwagner: it's possible that it's already been fixed? We are about 6mo behind on patches |
| 14:55 | pretty much, as long as the migration team is getting their stuff done (they are, admirably) and our hosting stays stable (it is, thanks cfouts) the rest is "the devil we know" | |
| 14:58 | owen | wizzyrea: Could be it is fixed. I tried adding an LC number to a record and it's not showing up |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | and good morning everybody. :) |
| 14:58 | jwagner | wizzyrea, is your results list on XSLT? Looks like it. |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | yesm, it is |
| 14:59 | jwagner | Must have been fixed a while back then -- I went back to our oldest current install and it's not there either. |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | oh that's heartening. |
| 14:59 | * wizzyrea | dies |
| 15:00 | wizzyrea | man we're so far behind. |
| 15:01 | * owen | finds where LC was *added* to the file, but not where it was taken out |
| 15:01 | jwagner | Not _that_ far behind :-) |
| 15:01 | You're not on Koha 2.x or anything.... | |
| 15:01 | * jdavidb | shudders. |
| 15:02 | wizzyrea | yea, I'm looking at one, it's the 050, and it's definitely showing up on our install. Maybe it's a framework thing? |
| 15:02 | frameworks are deep magic that I don't quite understand yet. | |
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| 15:03 | wizzyrea | of course I don't have a test server to play around with anymore that matches our current production install. |
| 15:03 | yayee. | |
| 15:04 | jwagner | Shouldn't be a framework thing, just a template/xslt thing. |
| 15:05 | owen, OK to go ahead with a patch to swap the item type and library in the OPAC record display, pending your more complete fix? | |
| 15:06 | owen | jwagner: Yes |
| 15:06 | jwagner | OK, I'll bundle these two together, since I'm having to do them anyway for the same site. Thanks. |
| 15:15 | owen | wizzyrea: Your LC number display is a mystery. It looks to me like the 050 display was taken out soon after it was added. Don't know what you'd still have it. Or maybe I'm misreading the git history. |
| 15:16 | wizzyrea | yea, we probably got updates in that magical period when it was in |
| 15:17 | when were they pushed? | |
| 15:17 | owen | April '08 |
| 15:20 | wizzyrea | heh |
| 15:21 | we got some updates in march, then again in june | |
| 15:21 | but i'm not sure what the june updates entailed | |
| 15:21 | owen | But that was March and June *09* |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | oh I misread I thought you meant Month April Day 8 |
| 15:22 | well, then yea, that is very odd | |
| 15:34 | schuster | Plano ISD is large with LOTS of holdings and XSLT - catalog.pisd.edu search seuss! |
| 15:34 | owen | I would not search it with Firefox. I would not search it on my Linux box. |
| 15:36 | I wonder if it would make sense to say, If there are more than X available items don't list them all on the search results page? | |
| 15:36 | * owen | has a feeling this is something LEK might address, not sure why |
| 15:38 | schuster | We'd love to have all the locations and one call number for each display as it is, even better if the locations were SORTED first! |
| 15:40 | owen | So schuster your vote is to either keep it the way it is or to keep it and add sorting? |
| 15:40 | schuster | I'm not displaying LC anywhere... Is there a setting? Yes Keep and sort |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | ours must be weird |
| 15:40 | schuster | That way students don't have to make another click to get to the screen. |
| 15:40 | with call number that is. | |
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| 15:47 | reiko | hello, when my koha crashes with trapped error, is there a log that i can look at?� |
| 15:49 | owen | reiko: You should have some error logs specific to Koha |
| 15:50 | In my test install those are koha-error.log and koha-opac-error_log. I'm not sure if it will be the same for you | |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | those are the logs I'd look at |
| 16:00 | schuster | wizzyrea - I presume then that you have a personal test system someplace since you are hosted? |
| 16:11 | wizzyrea | yea, I do, but it's actually up to date :P |
| 16:12 | I don't have a test system for our hosted install | |
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| 16:20 | reiko | thank you owen and wizzyrea |
| 16:24 | wizzyrea | reiko: Oh! You figured it out? What was the problem? |
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| 16:37 | brendan | morning #koha |
| 16:38 | wizzyrea | mornin brendan |
| 16:38 | @wunder 66047 | |
| 16:38 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Lawrence Live-Courtesy of the Khoury's, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.2�C (10:36 AM CST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 3.0�C. Windchill: 1.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:38 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 16:38 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 9.9�C (8:33 AM PST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 65%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 10.0�C. Pressure: 30.01 in 1016.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:38 | schuster | @wunder 75035 |
| 16:38 | munin | schuster: The current temperature in Plantation Estates, Frisco, Texas is 11.6�C (10:37 AM CST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1015.5 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:38 | brendan | wow 9.9 here - that's got to be a mistake munin |
| 16:38 | * wizzyrea | wins the misery index, schuster wins the lovely weather award |
| 16:39 | wizzyrea | or at least not terrible weather award |
| 16:39 | brendan | @wunder 93103 |
| 16:39 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Eucalyptus Hill, Santa Barbara, California is 15.8�C (8:35 AM PST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 8.0�C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:39 | brendan | ah that's better |
| 16:40 | chris_n | @wunder 28334 |
| 16:40 | munin | chris_n: The current temperature in Erwin, North Carolina is 16.0�C (11:20 AM EST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 11.0�C. Pressure: 30.15 in 1021 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:40 | brendan | The thermometer near me must be in the shade or right on the ocean, because the second wunder was more accurate to what it feels like |
| 16:40 | * chris_n | thinks it is 16 deg inside his office... >8-\ |
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| 16:43 | pianohacker | Good morning |
| 16:43 | brendan | morning doctor pianohacker |
| 16:44 | pianohacker | hallo, sir brendan |
| 16:44 | hdl | Hi pianohacker |
| 16:44 | chris_n | ehlo pianohacker |
| 16:44 | pianohacker | hi, henri |
| 16:44 | chris_n | |
| 16:44 | brendan | heya hdl |
| 16:46 | * imp | wonders why this doesn't work http://pastebin.ca/1675038 |
| 16:47 | kf | bye #koha |
| 16:47 | kf left #koha | |
| 16:52 | indradg | @wunder kolkata |
| 16:52 | munin | indradg: The current temperature in Kolkata, India is 24.0�C (9:50 PM IST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 83%. Dew Point: 21.0�C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 16:53 | brendan | indradg wins highest temp for the day so far |
| 16:53 | pianohacker | Hmm |
| 16:53 | @wunder 81212 | |
| 16:53 | munin | pianohacker: The current temperature in Franklin Ave - Downtown, Canon City, Colorado is 7.1�C (9:50 AM MST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 38%. Dew Point: -6.0�C. Windchill: 7.0�C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Falling). |
| 16:53 | pianohacker | Lowest? |
| 16:53 | indradg | brendan, lol... its cooler today by 10 degree C... till yesterday the week was averaging around 32 deg C |
| 16:54 | brendan | wow that's hot |
| 16:54 | pianohacker I think wizzyrea's got you | |
| 16:54 | indradg | global warming we been told |
| 16:55 | pianohacker | poor liz |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | actually it's warmer now |
| 16:58 | by a little | |
| 16:58 | @wunder Lawrence, KS | |
| 16:58 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 3.7�C (10:56 AM CST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 90%. Dew Point: 2.0�C. Windchill: 4.0�C. Pressure: 30.07 in 1018.2 hPa (Rising). |
| 16:58 | wizzyrea | a very little |
| 16:58 | pianohacker | Wow |
| 16:58 | that is insane | |
| 16:58 | Have you had any snow yet? | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | yea, we had some last night |
| 16:59 | but it didn't survive the morning rain | |
| 16:59 | it was very close to freezing | |
| 16:59 | but not quiiiiite 0C | |
| 16:59 | probably down to 0.5C ;) | |
| 16:59 | they had 10in about 70 mins north of me | |
| 17:00 | then it rained and compacted it down into 5in of very wet snow | |
| 17:01 | schuster | wizzyrea - et al... refering back to the call number issue - I suspect Plano ISD had it removed from the display by LibLime when we went live. |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | schuster: idk, it appears that according to the code, it doesn't exist |
| 17:06 | so it's a mystery | |
| 17:09 | owen | Anyone here ever done inventory with Koha? |
| 17:11 | hdl | owen: do you have issues ? |
| 17:12 | owen | I'm just curious if anyone has done it... We haven't. |
| 17:12 | pianohacker | owen: using a modified tool, yes |
| 17:12 | jwagner | schuster, wizzyrea, owen, etc. -- sorry, I've been off in a meeting. I won't do anything with a patch on the branch call numbers since it sounds like they are used. Thanks for the input. |
| 17:13 | pianohacker | owen: The one I offered up to you and gmcharlt to nitpick :) |
| 17:14 | owen | pianohacker: That sound vaguely familiar... |
| 17:14 | pianohacker | The one with the multiple tables? |
| 17:17 | owen | I remember looking at it, but I don't remember how the functionality differed from the existing tool |
| 17:17 | As far as I can tell there isn't a way to bulk-set a lost status for unseen items? | |
| 17:18 | pianohacker | There is, yes |
| 17:18 | (In our modified tool) | |
| 17:18 | wizzyrea | ph: O RLY? |
| 17:18 | pianohacker | Not sure about the current one |
| 17:18 | * wizzyrea | might squee |
| 17:18 | pianohacker | YA RLY |
| 17:19 | owen | What is the status of your version? |
| 17:19 | pianohacker | Working and used to inventory our catalog, just need to clean up and send |
| 17:20 | Unfortunately, my boss has other priorities for me at the moment... | |
| 17:20 | imp | can somebody give me some pointers on my problem with updating koha from .01 -> .04? :) |
| 17:21 | * jdavidb | wants to hear wizzyrea squee. |
| 17:22 | wizzyrea | dunno, if you can get me a bulk lost item status setting tool I would definitely squee |
| 17:22 | jdavidb | hm... |
| 17:22 | imp | I just get "internal server error" if i try to access the admin interface, the content of the log -> http://pastebin.ca/1675038 |
| 17:23 | schuster | wizzyrea - I believe in the new "bulk edit tool" isn't that an option to upload or scan a "batch" of barcodes? |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | imp: is PERL5LIB set correctly in your apache config? |
| 17:23 | owen | That doesn't quite work with the inventory workflow as I understand it schuster |
| 17:23 | wizzyrea | the keyword there is "new" |
| 17:23 | we don't have much that's new on our install. | |
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| 17:24 | * wizzyrea | might be a little disgruntled. |
| 17:25 | owen | The inventory steps as I see it: |
| 17:25 | imp | pianohacker: SetEnv PERL5LIB "/mnt2/koha-install/lib" ? |
| 17:25 | owen | 1) check in everything on your shelf |
| 17:25 | imp | (it's not in the config right now) |
| 17:26 | owen | 2) mark anything that hasn't been "seen" since the beginning of inventory as "missing in inventory" or whatever. |
| 17:26 | pianohacker | imp: There does have to be a SetEnv line in the config, and it has to point to a directory containing the C4 folder |
| 17:27 | owen | Other than the barcode file upload tool, I'm not sure what the Koha inventory tool is for. |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | owen: under the current system? |
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| 17:27 | owen | pianohacker: Just hypothetically |
| 17:27 | pianohacker | ah |
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| 17:27 | imp | pianohacker: same for the "PerlRequire startup.pl" ? |
| 17:28 | pianohacker | imp: Are you using mod_perl with koha? |
| 17:29 | imp | pianohacker: LoadModule perl_module modules/mod_perl.so, jupp. oh, and there's PerlRequire /mnt2/koha-install/startup.pl in the next line inside the main config from apache |
| 17:30 | just checked the vhostconfig before | |
| 17:30 | pianohacker | imp: Oh, hmm. There should be a separate config for koha |
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| 17:31 | pianohacker | With two vhosts, one for opac and one for intranet |
| 17:31 | imp | right |
| 17:32 | pianohacker | Do those <VirtualHost> blocks each have SetEnv lines within them? |
| 17:32 | imp | uncommented them right now, lets take a look and restart it |
| 17:33 | hm, still broken | |
| 17:34 | pianohacker | It's very odd that installer.pl can't find a module in its own directory |
| 17:34 | Could you upload your koha apache config file? | |
| 17:35 | imp | sure, mom |
| 17:37 | joetho | any liblime users on here at the moment? |
| 17:37 | imp | pianohacker: http://pastebin.ca/1675092 |
| 17:38 | owen | joetho: Me. |
| 17:39 | wizzyrea | me. |
| 17:39 | owen, is your catalog slow? | |
| 17:39 | searches? | |
| 17:40 | owen | No, doesn't seem to be |
| 17:40 | wizzyrea | ours are fairly excruciating, and I can't trace it to local bandwidth issues |
| 17:40 | it's kind of coming and going | |
| 17:41 | as if someone is doing something very heavy load, and then that job finishes and it's normal again | |
| 17:41 | imp | wizzyrea: maybe other i/o-stuff slowing down the box? |
| 17:41 | wizzyrea | dk, it's "state of the art cloud hosted solution" |
| 17:43 | pianohacker | imp: and find /mnt2/koha-install/lib -type d -name C4 works? |
| 17:44 | imp | pianohacker: yes, it's there -> http://pastebin.ca/1675099 |
| 17:45 | pianohacker | imp: OK. There's weirder stuff going on here, but you should be able to fix it quickly, by copying intranet/cgi-bin/installer/InstallAuth.pm into lib/ |
| 17:47 | imp | ok, the workaround helps a little bit |
| 17:47 | pianohacker | imp: fix one problem, find another? |
| 17:47 | imp | but now it's looping around with step 3 (updating the db) |
| 17:47 | indeed, like always ;) | |
| 17:48 | apache 25896 0.3 0.0 0 0 ? Z 16:56 0:00 [updatedatabase.] <defunct> | |
| 17:48 | that's bad... | |
| 17:48 | pianohacker | Possibly. Koha does fork it and do it in the background |
| 17:49 | You could try running updatedatabase.pl from the command line, if PERL5LIB and KOHA_CONF are set in your shell | |
| 17:49 | (updatedatabase.pl is in installer/data/mysql/) | |
| 17:52 | imp | nearly without nagging ;) -> http://pastebin.ca/1675110 |
| 17:52 | \o/ i can login :) | |
| 17:52 | pianohacker | hey, wait a minute :) |
| 17:53 | imp | thanks pianohacker |
| 17:53 | pianohacker | imp: updatedatabase really ought to be able to run from the web interface |
| 17:54 | np, glad it's working; to make your life easier in future, you could check the last section of koha-conf.xml (specifically opacdir and intranetdir) | |
| 17:55 | imp | pianohacker: check like, looking if the paths are ok? they are |
| 17:56 | hm, somehow the userinterface thinks we are still in maintance mode | |
| 17:56 | pianohacker | ok, something else is wrong. Shouldn't hurt anything, just odd that it's broken |
| 17:56 | the OPAC? | |
| 17:56 | imp | yes |
| 17:57 | and opening the globalsettings page returns me towards the installer step 3 / db updater... | |
| 17:57 | but no missing includes inside the logs anymore | |
| 17:58 | pianohacker | Right, we worked around that |
| 17:58 | So the last line of output mentioned 3.00.04.019, right? | |
| 17:59 | Could you check to make sure that's the same version as in kohaversion.pl? | |
| 17:59 | imp | Upgrade to 3.00.04.019 done (new AuthDisplayHierarchy, ) |
| 18:00 | should kohaversion.pl print something if executed? | |
| 18:00 | pianohacker | Nope, you'll have to look inside the file |
| 18:00 | imp | (it's not executable right now, called it with perl path/to/... |
| 18:00 | brendan | http://www.spotsnstripes.com/Z[…]rainingClinic.htm |
| 18:00 | Zebra Training Clinic | |
| 18:01 | imp | our $VERSION = '3.00.04.019'; |
| 18:01 | pianohacker | imp: And that's what I see too... |
| 18:01 | do you have more than one koha installation on this box? | |
| 18:01 | brendan: Hahahah, I'll have to show that to kieran :) | |
| 18:03 | * pianohacker | grasps desperately inside rapidly emptying bag of tricks |
| 18:05 | pianohacker | You could check to make sure that your command line and apache are pointing at the same koha-conf.xml (though it sounds like they are), and that the Version system preference is set correctly (can be found from mysql using select value from systempreferences where variable = 'Version') |
| 18:07 | imp | pianohacker: ok, will check it late, have to run now |
| 18:07 | s/late/later/ | |
| 18:07 | pianohacker | imp: good luck... |
| 18:07 | imp | maybe i'll be late ;) |
| 18:07 | pianohacker | ..., late, for a very important date? |
| 18:12 | joetho | uh oh |
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| 18:12 | joetho | show tunes |
| 18:12 | <--nuttin wrong with show tunes, though | |
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| 18:55 | * chris | goes to catch his bus |
| 18:57 | * chris_n | thinks chris must get awful tired of running after the bus every day trying to catch it ;-) |
| 18:58 | pianohacker | http://www.myconfinedspace.com[…]-can-kill-you.jpg |
| 19:02 | joetho | well he IS predictable |
| 19:04 | schuster | for those of us that are "self hosted" what is the best way to shutdown/reboot? I just did a ps -ef and there are a lot of process out there hanging around that I wonder if they would go away... |
| 19:08 | pianohacker | schuster: As you would only want to reboot at times when no one (staff or OPAC) was using Koha, it might just be easier to selectively prune them using kill (or killall if you're very sure that none of them share a process name with something important) |
| 19:12 | schuster | I was thinking about using shutdown time 22:00 -r |
| 19:12 | That way at 11 pm tonight it should auto reboot and NOBODY should be on... | |
| 19:12 | jdavidb | that should do it, schuster. Or you could get up and manually check on it. |
| 19:12 | (But if you want it at 11 pm, use 23:00 instead. | |
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| 19:13 | schuster | And you know how strong our security is here, I can barely get to the box the way it is! Telnet from home HA! |
| 19:13 | yes thanks for the time adjustment... You know I'm time challenged. | |
| 19:13 | jdavidb | hehehe. Come in late? mwahahah. |
| 19:14 | I was up all last night with a sick server, schuster, you can do it too. Builds character. | |
| 19:16 | pianohacker | jdavidb: sick how? I, too, have done weird schedules to get an unhappy but important box running again |
| 19:16 | jdavidb | Customer was running on a VM with one 32-bit CPU and insufficient memory and disk space. I was moving them to a new box. |
| 19:17 | took mysqldump over three hours to export the data, and mysql only about 10 minutes to import it on the new box. | |
| 19:17 | jwagner | schuster, in my Unicorn days I actually cronned a weekly reboot at 2:00 AM on Sunday, with accompanying cronjobs to restart all the Unicorn services. Unicorn is notoriously memory leaky and I just found that kept my server happy. Something similar could probably be arranged for koha if you really wanted to. |
| 19:21 | schuster | ok that begs another question - jdavidb - when I reboot it automatically restarts the zebra right? |
| 19:21 | Since he set up the server and alll...;) | |
| 19:22 | jdavidb | It should, yes. I believe I set it up that way; I usually do. |
| 19:22 | schuster | Sorry jdavidb - I was home in front of the fireplace last night... |
| 19:22 | whew. | |
| 19:22 | thanks | |
| 19:25 | owen | Does anyone know if there is something in 3.2 that lets you delete something that is checked out and automatically attach a fine to the patron's record for the replacement cost? |
| 19:28 | jwagner | owen, setting the status to Lost should do that, shouldn't it? (We've done a lot of development in that area, can't remember what standard Koha does now.) |
| 19:29 | owen | Ah, of course: set it to lost and it checks it in, then it's possible to delete. |
| 19:30 | jwagner | As long as there's a replacement cost in the 952v -- that's what it uses to charge the patron. |
| 19:30 | owen | We never use "lost" in that way because in the past we've basically left overdues on people's accounts forever |
| 19:30 | Now we're considering giving up on the overdues from 2005 and earlier! | |
| 19:31 | schuster | Isn't there a cron or something for long overdue? |
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| 19:31 | cait | hi #koha |
| 19:31 | owen | schuster: There is, but I think the only real result of that is that lost items can be hidden in the opac |
| 19:32 | schuster | But doesn't it move them to lost? |
| 19:32 | owen | Not lost in the "removed from the patron's account" sense of lost |
| 19:36 | schuster | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]rm=long%20overdue |
| 19:36 | wizzyrea | question... i'm looking to make a report that shows me all patrons that have a mobile number... |
| 19:36 | here's what I have so far: | |
| 19:36 | schuster | That indicates it would charge them for the book though? |
| 19:37 | wizzyrea | http://pastebin.ca/1675213 |
| 19:37 | but that seems to give everybody | |
| 19:38 | owen | schuster: I didn't realize the script could handle that transition was well. Since we've never wanted it, all it has ever done is set the long overdue status |
| 19:39 | chris | back at work |
| 19:39 | owen | wizzyrea: Looks like you need to check for "" instead of NULL? |
| 19:40 | brendan | wizzyrea - you could try and capitalize NULL |
| 19:40 | jwagner | wizzyrea, try select borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.mobile, borrowers.branchcode from borrowers where borrowers.mobile != "" or mobile IS NOT NULL ORDER BY borrowers.branchcode asc |
| 19:41 | owen | Actually wizzyrea, looks like you should check for both. At least based on our data |
| 19:41 | chris | schuster: can your server mail out? |
| 19:42 | wizzyrea | hmm, I will try with the quotes, I tried it with capital NULL |
| 19:42 | * wizzyrea | toddles off |
| 19:42 | * jwagner | read that as toddies off, and envisioned wizzyrea with a stiff drink.... |
| 19:43 | wizzyrea | jwagner: lol, and thanks, the quotes worked |
| 19:43 | jwagner++ | |
| 19:43 | owen | So... Bulk deletions? |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | owen: do you think that there will be records that match both "" and NULL? |
| 19:44 | jwagner | Thanks :-) I swear I'm going to update the wiki with all the saved reports I've been doing. Up to 33 of them now... |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | jwagner! |
| 19:44 | if you send them to me with descriptions I'll do it and attribute it to you... | |
| 19:44 | owen | wizzyrea: No |
| 19:44 | jwagner | And those are just the ones that I think would be of general interest, not the ones specific to my sites. |
| 19:44 | wizzyrea | owen: cool |
| 19:45 | schuster | drat you sql gurus got to it before me! |
| 19:45 | chris - yes it does through a mail relay | |
| 19:45 | jwagner | wizzyrea, if I can't get to them in the next day or two, I might send them on. But I finally created myself a wiki account just so I could enter these, so I'd better figure out how it works.... |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | owen: no, we actually hid the input for the mobile number because people were putting in phone numbers there as opposed to the "home" phone, even if the number was the patron's only number |
| 19:46 | so our librarians were annoyed that the only phone number in the record wasn't printing on the slip | |
| 19:46 | chris | schuster: i would set up an at job then to run at 23.15 to send you a mail saying "Im alive" |
| 19:46 | schuster | I get daily emails thanks to jdavidb - on how many overdues are processed and I setup some email notifications for a particular school that email me when they can't deliver. |
| 19:46 | I'd have to understand how to edit and setup cron jobs ... ;) | |
| 19:47 | schuster sits in a corner ashamed...;( | |
| 19:47 | owen | wizzyrea: Yeah, that's a kinda sucky aspect of contact management |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | so to fix that |
| 19:48 | we renamed the "home" phone to primary phone, and appended a note "shows on transit slip" to the field | |
| 19:48 | owen | wizzyrea: Do you have staff who put "no email" in the email field? That's one of my pet peeves. |
| 19:48 | wizzyrea | changed the work phone to secondary phone, with no such appendix, and removed the input for mobile |
| 19:49 | lol not that I'm aware of | |
| 19:49 | but the record still shows the mobile number (at our libraries request) but of course that means that since they can see it, they want to edit it | |
| 19:49 | owen | I had to build a custom report for that just so I could clean them up periodically |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | and I'm not willing to put the input back |
| 19:50 | because then you'll end up with the same original problem all over again | |
| 19:50 | I'd rather just hide it all together | |
| 19:50 | schuster: crontab -e, to start | |
| 19:51 | owen: that's kind of where this report comes in | |
| 19:51 | jwagner | schuster, also do man crontab to read the manual entry, for info on all the options. |
| 19:51 | chris | at is what you want, to schedule a one off job |
| 19:51 | cron is for recurring | |
| 19:51 | http://unixhelp.ed.ac.uk/CGI/man-cgi?at | |
| 19:52 | i use at to schedule all sorts of things, mostly just to mess with my wife | |
| 19:52 | wizzyrea | lol chris, that's not nice |
| 19:52 | or maybe it is, depending on your definition of "mess with" | |
| 19:53 | jwagner | I still have fond memories of the time I programmed my boss's computer (this is in the PC/XT days) to play Happy Birthday when he booted that morning.... Messing with people can be fun! |
| 19:54 | chris | :) yeah that kinda thing |
| 19:59 | owen | So anyone, bulk deletions? Anything coming up in 3.2? |
| 20:00 | jwagner | owen, see Bug 3509 -- we've built some batch delete capability in, and it can take a file of barcodes as input. Still working out the bugs on the whole feature, not quite ready to submit yet. |
| 20:00 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3509 enhancement, P5, ---, kohaprogrammersptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Batch item edit |
| 20:01 | owen | jwagner: Does it only delete item records? I'm concerned about leaving "orphan" biblios behind. |
| 20:01 | jwagner | I think BibLibre also has batch delete in a batch edit feature |
| 20:02 | I can't remember, come to think of it. I think it does delete the biblios, but I'd have to check. It's been a while since I tested that piece. | |
| 20:02 | owen | Ideally I'd want such a tool to delete the item, and then delete the biblio if it was the last item. |
| 20:02 | (or offer the option to delete the biblio) | |
| 20:03 | joetho | wizzyrea: |
| 20:03 | jwagner | owen, I'll check with the developer and let you know. |
| 20:03 | joetho | that is funny- I had a call about the phone# not printing on transfewr slip just this afternoon |
| 20:03 | owen | jwagner: If I can help test please let me know. We're looking at a system-wide inventory in Feb., and I know that's part of what we want to be able to do. |
| 20:04 | jwagner | Will do. I think we're not too far off having it done. |
| 20:04 | joetho | that report you worked on doesn't seem to limit to mobile numbers, at least not for me |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 20:06 | jwagner | joetho, are you getting results with data in the mobile field? Or empty field? |
| 20:06 | joetho | but no time to fiddle with it |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | mine seemed to work |
| 20:06 | joetho | it appears to list all patrons |
| 20:06 | wizzyrea | mm no, not in my case |
| 20:07 | here's what I used: | |
| 20:08 | select borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.mobile, borrowers.branchcode from borrowers where borrowers.mobile != "" ORDER BY borrowers.branchcode asc | |
| 20:08 | we have 56k patrons in our database | |
| 20:08 | this returned 7717 | |
| 20:09 | seems logical | |
| 20:09 | or possible | |
| 20:09 | jwagner | Looks like I had an OR instead of an AND in mine -- try select borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.mobile, borrowers.branchcode from borrowers where borrowers.mobile != "" AND borrowers.mobile IS NOT NULL ORDER BY borrowers.branchcode asc |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | oh yea, if you try to or on IS NOT NULL you will get them all |
| 20:10 | that was where mine was failing before I asked | |
| 20:10 | (thanks for the help, by the way, everybody) | |
| 20:10 | joetho | yes, me too |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | koha_teamwork++ |
| 20:10 | joetho | I get SO MUCH out of this IRC forum |
| 20:11 | I should give you each ten bucks. | |
| 20:11 | ummmm, I mean my boss should | |
| 20:11 | wizzyrea | joetho, you can pay me in banjo time ;) |
| 20:11 | joetho | am I still connected? |
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| 20:11 | joetho | ha! I just switched my laptop over to wireless to go to a meeting. Love it when the magic actually works. |
| 20:12 | chris | hi Jo |
| 20:12 | Jo | morning :) |
| 20:12 | wizzyrea | mornin jo |
| 20:14 | brendan | morning Jo |
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| 20:22 | Jo | Morning Brendan |
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| 20:22 | Jo | got your note about Maori Battalion search in Koha |
| 20:22 | glad you liked it :) | |
| 20:23 | brendan | yeah -- looks excellent :) |
| 20:23 | Jo | so exciting to actually see a fantastic search result using the 2 things together |
| 20:23 | chris | http://www.rsa.org.nz/review/b[…]/bookreview1.html |
| 20:23 | brendan: you should see if you can find a copy of this book | |
| 20:23 | schuster has one :) | |
| 20:24 | * chris | is in the acknowledgements hehe |
| 20:24 | chris | it is a really really good read |
| 20:26 | brendan | I'll see if I can find a copy |
| 20:27 | chris | if not i can lend you mine to read when you are here ;) |
| 20:27 | brendan | excellent -- I'll be busy trying to get a part as a hobbit - if they are still shooting at that time |
| 20:27 | jwagner | Got an OPAC results list puzzler for you. For a site with Independent Branches on, is there a reason why the Availability line would only list one library? Or claim no copies are available? They share bib records, the items can circulate, and do have barcodes. I've been looking through the .xsl file half the day and I can't see why one or more of the libraries don't show in the list. |
| 20:28 | Turning off Independent Branches didn't make any difference. | |
| 20:39 | Hmmm. Turning off XSLT for the results list doesn't make a difference either. Somehow it's not reading the items as "available" or maybe even existing. More digging tomorrow, I guess. | |
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| 20:50 | joetho | jwagnfere: this is a problem with our consortium too- I will write you later when I have a minute |
| 20:52 | jwagner | joetho, thanks -- catch up with you tomorrow? I'm about to head out. |
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| 20:57 | chris | http://code4lib.org/node/340 |
| 20:57 | ian walls has submitted a proposal to talk on migrating from millenium to koha | |
| 20:57 | everyone go vote for it :-) | |
| 20:58 | the title is worth it alone :) | |
| 21:00 | Becoming Truly Innovative: Migrating from Millennium to Koha | |
| 21:07 | owen | sekjal++ |
| 21:10 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 21:10 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 18.9�C (1:08 PM PST on November 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 7.0�C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:11 | schuster | brendan - I can ILL you the book...;) |
| 21:11 | brendan | Nice -- let's use NCIP |
| 21:11 | oh wait that's not programmed yet | |
| 21:12 | owen | But it's on your to-do list right brendan? :) |
| 21:12 | schuster | Well for pete sake what you been up to?... Talked with a vendor yesterday and their product ONLY works with SIP2 libraries... I believe we all agreed Koha is SIP2 compliant? |
| 21:14 | joetho | anyone use librarymetricks with koha? I *think* we are going to be the first |
| 21:14 | brendan | wow Librarymetricks |
| 21:14 | joetho | it is a patron PC time/print management system |
| 21:14 | brendan | I was one of the first libraries to use their product |
| 21:14 | joetho | whoa |
| 21:14 | brendan | in CT |
| 21:14 | joetho | love it? hate it? |
| 21:14 | brendan | they have a SIP2 connection so it should work great |
| 21:15 | I was at a horizon library at that time | |
| 21:15 | I was very pleased with it | |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | oh NO |
| 21:15 | don't use librarymetricks!!! | |
| 21:15 | brendan | it was there first library so they were very responsive to what I needed it to do |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | it's so so so so so bad |
| 21:15 | and we can't get help with it | |
| 21:16 | they don't even answer our calls | |
| 21:16 | brendan | heh -- guess times have changed |
| 21:16 | I didn't have that same issue | |
| 21:19 | joetho | Michael likes me. |
| 21:19 | Phipps | |
| 21:19 | =one man company, I think | |
| 21:19 | brendan | yeah Michael |
| 21:19 | when you talk to him -- say I said hi and see if he remembers me | |
| 21:25 | joetho | jwagner can you email me the your consortium using indep. branches contact info? We are having some problems with getting holds and transfers to work the way we want and it seems to be related to ind. br. settings |
| 21:25 | <--jtholensekls.org |
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| 21:28 | wizzyrea | @later tell jwagner jwagner can you email me the your consortium using indep. branches contact info? We are having some problems with getting holds and transfers to work the way we want and it seems to be related to ind. br. settings |
| 21:28 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | [3:24PM] joetho: <--jtholensekls.org |
| 21:29 | @later tell jwagner joetho= jwagner : <--jtholensekls.org |
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| 21:29 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:30 | owen | 'til tomorrow everyone. |
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| 21:36 | schuster | wizzyrea - so you are running independant branches? |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | no sir |
| 21:37 | we are one glorious shared database | |
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| 21:55 | imp | pianohacker: just sneak preview with some friends |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | imp: what? |
| 21:56 | imp | pianohacker: 19:06 < pianohacker> ..., late, for a very important date? |
| 21:56 | ;) | |
| 21:56 | pianohacker | oh. |
| 21:57 | cait | imp: film? |
| 21:59 | imp | cait: "Law Abiding Citizen" |
| 22:01 | cait | :) |
| 22:05 | wizzyrea | whoa, someone in our consortium just reported an item that shows both checked out, and available |
| 22:05 | *and* it's on the pick list | |
| 22:05 | that's just nuts | |
| 22:05 | (on the pick list, to be sent to a patron for a hold) | |
| 22:06 | imp | pianohacker: | 3.0004019 | |
| 22:06 | (form the db) | |
| 22:06 | pianohacker | imp: so that's right. just one install, then? |
| 22:06 | cait | wizzyrea: I saw this in koha once too, but was not able to reproduce it : available and checked out, but no hold on it |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | cait: well that's very interesting. Wonder how it happens. |
| 22:07 | cait | wizzyrea: i have no idea :( |
| 22:08 | imp | pianohacker: more or less, updated my old install |
| 22:08 | chris | wizzyrea: in cases like that i suspect zebra |
| 22:08 | and/or the marc_xml | |
| 22:08 | its impossible to be out an not in in the issues table at the same time | |
| 22:08 | wizzyrea | hrm |
| 22:08 | chris | so it must be in the marcxml saying available and in the issues table saying out |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | so it's data corruption? |
| 22:09 | chris | or vice versa |
| 22:09 | or it could be just zebra lag | |
| 22:09 | wizzyrea | mmm unlikely in this case b/c it showed up on the hold queue... do you know, does the reserves system look at the issues table or the marc_xml |
| 22:10 | (wizzyrea would like to understand) | |
| 22:10 | chris | i dont know, i would hope the issues table |
| 22:10 | wizzyrea | i mean, if the marc_xml says available, and the reserves system is looking at that, then it won't matter what the issues table says, it's going to try to reserve it |
| 22:10 | chris | yep |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | with all of the attendant librarian confusion :) |
| 22:11 | chris | do you know the itemnumber? |
| 22:11 | cos you can easily find out if you do | |
| 22:11 | wizzyrea | yes, un moment |
| 22:11 | chris | oh do you have access to your db? |
| 22:11 | without that, you are pretty much guessing | |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | no, only through the reports module |
| 22:12 | chris | crap |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | you're telling me ;) |
| 22:12 | chris | ah well, you can probably do it that way |
| 22:12 | wizzyrea | joetho got access, but had a hard time making it work, or at least that was the last I heard |
| 22:12 | Nate | goodnight everyone! |
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| 22:12 | wizzyrea | gnite nate! |
| 22:12 | doh, too slow | |
| 22:12 | chris | SELECT * FROM issues WHERE itemnumber = whatever AND returndate IS NULL; |
| 22:13 | if you get a row, its on issue | |
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| 22:13 | schuster | chris - are you running 3.2? |
| 22:13 | |Lupin| | good day / night all |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | trying... |
| 22:14 | chris | i run about 20 versions schuster :) |
| 22:14 | wizzyrea | yea, it's checked out, for sure |
| 22:15 | looks like it was checked out via SIP | |
| 22:15 | schuster | I was testing on my site some of the 13 digit ISBN enhancement that I had done and wanted to make sure it was in 3.2 as it is NOT on the LL demo site. |
| 22:15 | chris | ill check that out for you in a sec schuster |
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| 22:16 | chris | wizzyrea: cool so its on loan now we need to know the biblioitemnumber |
| 22:16 | schuster | Currently in my system if there is a 10 digit ISBN - and I type in a 13 digit it pulls up the record. |
| 22:16 | ok - thanks chris. | |
| 22:16 | wizzyrea | biblioitem? |
| 22:16 | chris | select marcxml from biblioitems where biblioitemnumber=whatever |
| 22:17 | if you dont know you can do | |
| 22:17 | select marcxml from biblioitems where biblioitemnumber IN (select biblioitemnumber from items where itemnumber=whatever); | |
| 22:18 | wizzyrea | ok, I have the result, what am I looking for? |
| 22:18 | chris | in the 952 |
| 22:19 | what does 952q say | |
| 22:19 | |Lupin| | quick question... is there a way to check that a template parses from the command-line ? |
| 22:21 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: Unfortunately, no |
| 22:21 | HTML::Template::Pro is really bad at validation | |
| 22:22 | An unmatched template directive will usually mean 30 minutes of frustrated, random adding and deleting of </TMPL_*> tags rather than a helpful error message | |
| 22:22 | chris | also select onloan from items where itemnumber=whatever |
| 22:23 | cait | good night #koha :) |
| 22:23 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: I'm just writing a quick script I can call from the command-line to see whether the template parses or not... would that be a welcome contribution to Koha ? |
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| 22:24 | pianohacker | |Lupin|: If you can figure out how to do that, it would be _extremely_ appreciated |
| 22:24 | |Lupin| | pianohacker: (it wold take care of includes correctly etc. inspired by the gettemplate function found in C4/Output.pm |
| 22:24 | wizzyrea | i'm not sure, from this display, which is $q |
| 22:24 | chris | |Lupin|: last year yes, but html::template::pro is going to be replaced by template toolkit |
| 22:24 | soon | |
| 22:24 | im sure legacy users might still like it tho | |
| 22:24 | imp | pianohacker: empty bag? or is there still something left to try? :) |
| 22:25 | pianohacker | imp: mostly empty bag. It sounds like your koha installation has gone schizophrenic |
| 22:25 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah it'd be nice to have emplate toolkit, but Ineed the script now so I'll write it and send it to koha-dev... |
| 22:25 | * wizzyrea | is workin' on it lol |
| 22:26 | pianohacker | imp: There should be an error message somewhere in the log when you try to access something and it sends you to the installer |
| 22:26 | Listing the version it thinks you have and the version it wants | |
| 22:26 | wizzyrea | chris that last bit doesn't return anything |
| 22:26 | and empty column | |
| 22:26 | an* | |
| 22:26 | schuster | by all. |
| 22:26 | pianohacker | bye, schuster |
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| 22:27 | chris | right so items.onloan is null then |
| 22:27 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 22:27 | and it shouldn't be, right? | |
| 22:27 | god that would have been a lot less painful with access to the db ;) | |
| 22:28 | chris | yeah it should be 1 |
| 22:28 | wizzyrea | well crapper, I suppose to fix it we'd have to edit the DB |
| 22:29 | chris | actually it should be a date |
| 22:29 | select onloan from items where itemnumber=3603; | |
| 22:29 | +------------+ | |
| 22:29 | | onloan | | |
| 22:29 | +------------+ | |
| 22:29 | | 2009-12-05 | | |
| 22:29 | +------------+ | |
| 22:29 | the due date | |
| 22:29 | wizzyrea | yea, it's blankeroonie |
| 22:29 | any thoughts on what would cause that? | |
| 22:30 | speculation is ok | |
| 22:30 | chris | sip misbehaving |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | AH |
| 22:30 | chris | and in the marcxml i see |
| 22:30 | <subfield code="q">2009-12-05</subfield> | |
| 22:30 | imp | pianohacker: maybe it just needed some time to settle down..... tried to reproduce my bug and it worked.... *confused* |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | so like, maybe an interrupted connection? |
| 22:30 | pianohacker | imp: weird |
| 22:30 | wizzyrea | or a bug in the SIP code? |
| 22:30 | chris | no idea |
| 22:31 | when does the issues table say the item is due? | |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | this doesn''t happen very often. 11/30 |
| 22:31 | which is also weird | |
| 22:31 | since the item was checked out on the 9th | |
| 22:31 | chris | and issue date? |
| 22:31 | right | |
| 22:31 | what i would do | |
| 22:31 | wizzyrea | and it should have been for 2 weeks |
| 22:32 | chris | is return it, and reissue it to the borrower setting the due_date for the 30th |
| 22:32 | and see if that fixes it | |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | yea, I think I'll try that |
| 22:32 | chris | (you can find the borrowernumber from the issues table also) |
| 22:32 | wizzyrea | yea, that part I can handle. I do know that it *was* checked out via SIP |
| 22:32 | also interestingly | |
| 22:32 | it had no issuing branch | |
| 22:33 | chris | yeah, sounds like a bug |
| 22:33 | wizzyrea | and (1s, gotta look) |
| 22:33 | but it's gotta be a special bug, because otherwise we'd be seeing this all the time, right? | |
| 22:33 | I mean, basehor is a pretty high volume library, and they use their SIPTERMS for 90% of their circ | |
| 22:33 | and this is the first time I"ve seen this particular wierdness | |
| 22:34 | but I will try re-circing the item | |
| 22:37 | yes, that seems to have resolved the issue of the dual status | |
| 22:37 | and thanks for walking me through that, it's always helpful to me to understand how all the bits interact | |
| 22:38 | it's kind of like wiping the condensate off of your mirror in the morning... I have lots more mirror to clear, but I am able to see a little bit more now | |
| 22:38 | chris | :) |
| 22:39 | yeah for some reason the moditem part of the issue failed | |
| 22:39 | if you had access to error lgos, you could maybe find out why | |
| 22:41 | imp | pianohacker: just spoted something interesting -> [error] :Apache2 IO flush: (53) Software caused connection abort at /mnt2/koha-install/lib/C4/Context.pm line 1014 |
| 22:42 | and it still drops me randomly back to the updater... | |
| 22:44 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea: nice to have a bit of poetry on #koha :) |
| 22:44 | imp | meeeh.... it's logging into the normal apache logfiles as well |
| 22:45 | wizzyrea | cait: you use SIP, right? |
| 22:46 | imp | pianohacker: http://pastebin.ca/1675527 |
| 22:46 | |Lupin| | HTML::Template::Pro:in TMPL_LOOP at pos 2800: PARAM:LOOP:loop argument:loop was expected but not found. |
| 22:46 | any idea what may go wrong here, please ? | |
| 22:47 | wizzyrea | |Lupin|: I aim to please :) |
| 22:51 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea: I'm pretty sure you're successfull ather often... :) |
| 22:51 | wizzyrea | |Lupin|: aww, thanks *blush* |
| 22:52 | |Lupin| | :) |
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| 23:06 | |Lupin| | pls perl question... |
| 23:06 | in a block | |
| 23:06 | what can be used to return an expression for that block ? | |
| 23:07 | looking for something similar to return | |
| 23:07 | but for blocks rather than functions... does perl have such a thing ? | |
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| 23:10 | chris_n2 | 'evening pianohackr|work |
| 23:10 | pianohackr|work | hi chris_n2 |
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| 23:22 | |Lupin| | ok this day was long enough, so good night r good day to all |
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| 23:40 | pianohackr|work | imp: still around? |
| 23:41 | imp | jupp |
| 23:41 | pianohackr|work | imp: For some reason, it thinks there's a database on your system with version 3.01.00.005 |
| 23:42 | Are there any other koha mysql databases on your system? | |
| 23:43 | imp | pianohackr|work: it's the only one |
| 23:43 | pianohackr|work | Even ones that are deactivated/no longer used? |
| 23:44 | imp | yes, it's the only koha database |
| 23:45 | (and the rest is empty / not accessible for koha) | |
| 23:45 | pianohackr|work | It thinks the Version syspref is 3.00.01.005 |
| 23:46 | Do you use mod_perl for anything else on this machine? | |
| 23:46 | imp | only koha |
| 23:46 | pianohackr|work | I suspect a cached value of the syspref is causing problems |
| 23:47 | Try disabling mod_perl (removing the LoadModule line) and any config for it, then shutting down and restarting apache, then trying again | |
| 23:47 | imp | i'm still wondering why it's using it sometimes and causing a behaviour that looks nearly random... |
| 23:50 | pianohackr|work: now it's missing the C4 stuff | |
| 23:51 | (aka nothing works) | |
| 23:55 | pianohackr|work | You do still have the SetEnv lines, right? |
| 23:56 | Sorry, I'm getting frustrated with it, not you :) | |
| 23:56 | imp | erm, nope, removed the setenv lines, mom |
| 23:57 | pianohackr|work | *whack* |
| 23:57 | imp | *duck* |
| 23:57 | pianohackr|work | quack? |
| 23:57 | Anyway, let's see if this works | |
| 23:59 | imp | looks fine, lets see if i can add a book |
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