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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 00:06 | chris | yep ricardo |
| 00:06 | ricardo | chris: Cool :) I'm sending you an e-mail right now |
| 00:07 | Sent! | |
| 00:07 | chris | cool |
| 00:09 | ricardo | I noticed that Pootle shows the 1st character (it's actually Vim's character for BOM - Byte Order Mark - for Unicode UTF-8 files... I think it's harmless) |
| 00:12 | chris | just testing it now |
| 00:12 | ricardo | Great :) |
| 00:12 | BTW: I would be interested to see your vimrc (and/or vimrc customisations) | |
| 00:13 | chris | i dont use vim |
| 00:13 | ricardo | chris: You don't? I'm shocked! ;-) So... what do you use? Emacs? Nano? Kate? Gedit? |
| 00:13 | chris | emacs |
| 00:14 | ricardo | Isn't Emacs "hard on fingers"? |
| 00:14 | chris | only as hard as vim is on the brain |
| 00:14 | :) | |
| 00:14 | ricardo | LOL! |
| 00:15 | You're wrong... vim is easy... It's as easy as git! ;-) | |
| 00:15 | chris | templates build ok |
| 00:15 | pushing up now | |
| 00:16 | ricardo | chris: Cool :) |
| 00:16 | (Hmm.... VirtualBox not responding) | |
| 00:17 | chris: I see that you pushed it already (thanks!). The diff is scary: | |
| 00:17 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]61210bc9f0d663160 | |
| 00:18 | chris | yes, you appear to have made a lot of changes, mostly whitespace |
| 00:18 | ricardo | Darn... |
| 00:19 | Not on purpose though | |
| 00:19 | chris | what did you use for editing? |
| 00:19 | windows eh? | |
| 00:19 | +#: ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/virtualshelves/shelves.tmpl:348\r | |
| 00:20 | * chris | see carriage returns |
| 00:20 | ricardo | I think I used vim... Although the last thing was "SVN Update" to a Windows machine (but don't remember to do any changes there) |
| 00:20 | Let me check this | |
| 00:20 | chris | ahh |
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| 00:20 | chris | yeah, that might put the carriage returns in, (the svn update) |
| 00:20 | ricardo | But this is what I usually do... And I don't usually get that "carriage returns" ;-) |
| 00:20 | chris | but thats why so many changes lots of \r |
| 00:20 | ricardo | chris: Yeah... I hate that |
| 00:21 | I confirm that the file is in UNIX format. It shouldn't behave that way | |
| 00:22 | chris | hmm check it in vi |
| 00:23 | ricardo | Looks correct... |
| 00:23 | chris | not a big worry tho, tis harmless, but would be good to figure out where they came from |
| 00:23 | ricardo | # file pt-PT-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po |
| 00:23 | pt-PT-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po: UTF-8 Unicode (with BOM) PO (gettext message catalogue) text | |
| 00:23 | The only thing is the "BOM" that I mentioned before (inserted by Vim... but that should also be harmless) | |
| 00:24 | chris | vim carefully hides the \r from me, vi shows them |
| 00:25 | ricardo | chris: Hmmm... OK. Let me try this in vi compatible mode then |
| 00:25 | Nope... Not even in compatible mode I see them :-/ | |
| 00:26 | Do you want to reset that commit and try another one, activating the "fix whitespace errors" or similar feature of git? | |
| 00:26 | chris | yeah, ill do that, will revert it, and fix the whitespace |
| 00:26 | ricardo | Make git automatically remove trailing whitespace before committing |
| 00:26 | http://stackoverflow.com/quest[…]before-committing | |
| 00:27 | I don't know if that helps... I'm just *trying* to help :) | |
| 00:29 | chris | here we go |
| 00:30 | ricardo | "EOL: LF" ... Everything seems to be right :-/ |
| 00:30 | chris | there, without the whitespace changes this time |
| 00:31 | ricardo | chris: OK, cool! What was the secret formula, then? :) |
| 00:31 | chris | i just stripped the \r with sed :) |
| 00:32 | ricardo | LOL! |
| 00:32 | That's cheating! ;-) | |
| 00:32 | chris | :) |
| 00:32 | i cheat doing finds too | |
| 00:32 | ricardo | Eheh |
| 00:32 | chris | find /. | grep "filename" |
| 00:33 | ricardo | I'm more of a "locate" kind of guy |
| 00:33 | updatedb; locate -i filename | |
| 00:33 | chris | :) |
| 00:34 | ricardo | In a fast machine, the seconds that updatedb take don't bother me :) |
| 00:35 | Where do you have your git tree? Something like /home/chris/kohaclone ? /kohaclone ? /root/kohaclone ? | |
| 00:35 | chris | never in root |
| 00:36 | on my dev box its /home/chris/git/koha.git | |
| 00:36 | along with all my other git repo's | |
| 00:36 | -' | |
| 00:36 | ricardo | chris: OK, cool. Thanks :) |
| 00:37 | "never in root" meaning "never in root's home", right? You may create a "kohaclone" root folder (at the same level of /usr /var /root etc...), right? | |
| 00:37 | chris | i probably wouldnt do that either, cos that would need superuser privs |
| 00:38 | i try not to use elevated privileges when i don't need to | |
| 00:38 | ricardo | chris: It would, yes |
| 00:38 | OK. That's a good policy | |
| 00:39 | No changes from your PO file to mine... Good :) | |
| 00:40 | Meanwhile VirtualBox is still not responding.... | |
| 00:40 | chris | sweet, maybe the zipping did something weird, or unzipping, who knows, fixed now :) |
| 00:40 | ricardo | Yeah... I'm blaming ZIP now, as well (hey, I need a culprit! ;-) |
| 00:42 | I think that I'll have to reboot now. BBL. | |
| 00:42 | chris: Thanks for having submitted the updated translation | |
| 00:42 | chris_n2-away is now known as chris_n2 | |
| 00:42 | chris | no problem |
| 00:42 | ricardo | BTW: what's up with munin? |
| 00:43 | chris | not sure, gmcharlt looks after it |
| 00:43 | ricardo | chris: Oh, OK. Thanks for the info |
| 00:43 | chris_n2 | ricardo: vim can be made to trim whitespaces on save |
| 00:43 | chris | it may have been still runnin gon a LL server perhaps |
| 00:43 | not sure | |
| 00:43 | ricardo | chris_n2: Cool... What's the super-trick for that? :) |
| 00:43 | pastebot | Someone at 192.168.15.101 pasted "" Removes trailing spaces func" (13 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/14 |
| 00:43 | chris_n2 | check that paste |
| 00:44 | ricardo | chris_n2: %s/\s*$// |
| 00:44 | chris_n2: Got it... Thanks :) | |
| 00:44 | chris_n2 | long live vim... ;-) |
| 00:44 | ricardo | chris: And "logbot_backup" is yours? |
| 00:44 | chris_n2: Eheh | |
| 00:44 | chris | yep, that and the pastebot |
| 00:44 | ricardo | chris: Cool. OK, thanks |
| 00:45 | chris_n2: I'll want to see your vimrc :) | |
| 00:45 | chris | was set up, cos i was scared logbot would disappear .. |
| 00:45 | ricardo | chris: Good thinking! |
| 00:46 | OK. This is it... Rebooting now | |
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| 00:59 | * chris | heads off to a meeting |
| 00:59 | chris | bbiab |
| 01:00 | * chris_n2 | heads off to eat pizza |
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| 01:19 | ricardo | Going to bed now. Take care everyone! |
| 01:19 | :) | |
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| 01:34 | chris | back |
| 01:41 | brendan | wb chris |
| 01:41 | chris | thanks, good weekend brendan ? |
| 01:42 | brendan | so far great -- waiting for Sonja to get home -- made her a nice dinner (and got her some flowers) |
| 01:42 | how was yours | |
| 01:43 | chris | busy but good |
| 01:43 | brendan | :) |
| 03:43 | @wunder 93117 | |
| 03:43 | munin? | |
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| 04:10 | drupsta | Hi ALL |
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| 05:09 | john | Anyone here? |
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| 05:31 | |Lupin| | good morning koha |
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| 06:12 | Madar joined #koha | |
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| 06:26 | |Lupin| | hi again |
| 06:27 | Madar | hi lupin |
| 06:29 | Ropuch | Morning #koha |
| 06:29 | |Lupin| | hello Madar |
| 06:29 | hi Ropuch | |
| 06:36 | Madar | how can i edit marc configiration |
| 06:36 | ?? | |
| 06:36 | ? | |
| 06:37 | Ropuch | You mean: marc flavor (UNIMARC/MARC21)? |
| 06:37 | Or something else? | |
| 06:38 | |Lupin| | anyone knows how to retrieve a recorde based on its biblionumber in opac, pls ? |
| 06:39 | Ropuch | /cgi-bin/koha/opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=892 |
| 06:39 | Change the number to whatever you want ;> | |
| 06:44 | |Lupin| | Ropuch: yeah thanks, I new this one. I just wanted to avoid typing the URL; thought perhaps there is something one can enter in the research field and which will lead to the right page. |
| 06:45 | fredericd | |Lupin|: Local-number:120 to find biblio record #120 |
| 06:45 | hi | |
| 06:48 | Ropuch | oh |
| 06:48 | |Lupin| | fredericd: hello ! thanks !! |
| 06:48 | Ropuch | Nice |
| 06:48 | fredericd: i didn't knwo that, usefull [; | |
| 06:49 | Thanks :) | |
| 06:49 | |Lupin| | fredericd: I was pretty sure there was something like that. |
| 06:49 | fredericd: where does the "Local-number" name come from ? is it hte name of a Zebra index or something like that ? | |
| 06:53 | fredericd | |Lupin|: You have to take a look at two places: record.abs for your marc flavour, and ccl.properties file |
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| 07:08 | Madar | Ropuch i dnt know actually , but i found im MARC bibliographic framework test You have 1 error(s) in your MARC configuration. Please fix them before using Koha |
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| 07:18 | |Lupin| | fredericd: ok, thanks a lot ! |
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| 08:18 | |Lupin| | perl question pls |
| 08:18 | I defined a function in a module | |
| 08:18 | and try to call it from a script | |
| 08:18 | perl doesn't find it | |
| 08:19 | I call another function defined n the same module, perl sees it | |
| 08:19 | however none of them are exported explicitly... | |
| 08:19 | any idea what I'm doign wrong ? | |
| 08:19 | hdl_laptop | EXPORT must have this function defined |
| 08:20 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: ah EXPORT in uppercase... |
| 08:20 | hdl_laptop: there is no EXPORT in the module and however one function gets called whereas mine is not | |
| 08:21 | hdl_laptop | you have an array at the head of this function |
| 08:22 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: ? |
| 08:23 | hdl_laptop | @EXPORT = qw( |
| 08:24 | usually in the BEGIN block | |
| 08:24 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: there is no such thing in the module, so I think the actual mystery for me is how it works for the other funciton... |
| 08:26 | chris | can you paste the whole module at http://paste.workbuffer.org |
| 08:26 | |Lupin| | sure |
| 08:26 | http://pastebin.com/f5b703a0a | |
| 08:27 | I just wrote the maintainance_mode function | |
| 08:27 | and try to call it from a script | |
| 08:27 | it doesn't work and perl says it's undefined | |
| 08:27 | but if I replae this call by a call to top, it works | |
| 08:29 | chris | hmm |
| 08:30 | i notice something else, it says GPL 2, but also it is not free software | |
| 08:31 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah because I forgot to remove the old thing saying it is not free... |
| 08:31 | chris: this is a part of the cade that will disappear anyway since thenew platform will be KOha based | |
| 08:31 | chris | can you paste the code that is calling it also please? |
| 08:32 | |Lupin| | sure |
| 08:33 | http://pastebin.com/f78a5e793 | |
| 08:33 | replacing the call by top("foo") works | |
| 08:34 | (i.e. it produces another error but later, proving that the function is really called) | |
| 08:34 | chris | ahhh |
| 08:34 | well that is why top is working | |
| 08:34 | you are giving it the full name | |
| 08:34 | if it was exported you could just go top() | |
| 08:35 | now to see why maintainance_mode isnt | |
| 08:35 | (you also have 2 BEGIN blocks ... you dont want that) | |
| 08:37 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, I removed the second BEGIN block |
| 08:37 | but it doesn't work better with maintainance_mode | |
| 08:37 | chris: the call also fully qualifies the name, so shouldn't it work as it does for top ? | |
| 08:38 | chris | yep |
| 08:38 | im just checking for typos | |
| 08:40 | |Lupin| | chris: thanks... looking for that, too |
| 08:41 | chris | when you run perl -c that_file |
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| 08:41 | chris | does it complain about that call still? |
| 08:42 | |Lupin| | let me check |
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| 08:43 | |Lupin| | chris: no; test.pl syntax OK |
| 08:43 | chris | and when you run it, what is the error? |
| 08:43 | |Lupin| | (does it check that functions are defined?) |
| 08:44 | sorbier:~/src/helene/webserverv1/cgi-bin$ perl test.pl > /tmp/log 2>&1 | |
| 08:44 | http://pastebin.com/f6df8c0e3 | |
| 08:46 | I also did a perl -c on the module, it says the syntax is ok | |
| 08:55 | now I removed all useless modules from the test script... same problem | |
| 08:57 | ok, I have found the problem | |
| 08:59 | somehow Perl loads the wrong module... a version already installed on the system and which does not have the function... | |
| 09:00 | chris | it will load the first one it finds, so there must be one in the perl @INC |
| 09:02 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah I jsut displayed the @INC hoping o see a directory which might contain such a module but I can't see such a directory... |
| 09:02 | oh yes it does | |
| 09:02 | /home/seb/src/koha | |
| 09:02 | and I copied the library there | |
| 09:03 | so it takes this version rather than the one I'm modifying... | |
| 09:04 | chris | probably taking both |
| 09:04 | and redefining, hence the undefined message | |
| 09:05 | |Lupin| | right... |
| 09:06 | ok, I'm ashamed I dusturbed you with such a silly question chris | |
| 09:06 | my apologies for that | |
| 09:06 | chris | np |
| 09:08 | |Lupin| | chris: you know the storry about the sheppard that was yaling there was a wolf and in fact there was no wolf at all ? |
| 09:09 | chris | crying wolf :) |
| 09:09 | |Lupin| | chris: at the end there really was a wolf and nobody came to rescue him because they didn't believe him... |
| 09:10 | chris: yeah exactly.. so I feel a bit like the shephard... :/ | |
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| 10:07 | ricardo | Good morning everyone! |
| 10:07 | |Lupin| | hello ricardo |
| 10:07 | ricardo | |Lupin|: Hi Sébastien :) |
| 10:09 | I'm having a strange problem in one setup that I have (running git Koha 3.0.x in SuSE - SLES 10 SP2). The first page, after login, in the Intranet - "mainpage.pl" - appears in English, instead of Portuguese. All the other pages in the staff appear correctly in Portuguese. I don't have this problem in other similar installs :-/ | |
| 10:12 | ... and if I click in the "Português" link, at the bottom of the screen, I remain in the "English" option | |
| 10:12 | chris | what does intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT/modules/intranet-main.tmpl look like? |
| 10:12 | ricardo | chris: Good morning. Let me check that |
| 10:14 | chris: Err... It doesn't | |
| 10:14 | /koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT/modules # ls | |
| 10:14 | about.tmpl acqui admin authorities auth.tmpl catalogue cataloguing | |
| 10:15 | chris | theres the problem |
| 10:15 | you could do an install-code.pl pt-PT | |
| 10:15 | and copy over the created file | |
| 10:16 | ricardo | chris: Yeah, but I did that - ran "./install-code.pl pt-PT" (and deleted the folder "pt-PT" right before that, just in case) |
| 10:16 | I'll do it it again and generate a log | |
| 10:16 | chris | it created it fine on my machine |
| 10:16 | using the .po file you sent | |
| 10:16 | ricardo | chris: Right |
| 10:17 | chris | BUT, that .po is for 3.0.4 (or what is in the 3.0.x branch anyway) |
| 10:17 | ricardo | chris: I updated the PO file with git... And git log shows the commit. Let me check this... I still have the log for this |
| 10:17 | chris: Right. I'm in the 3.0.x branch :) | |
| 10:17 | chris | so it might not work against 3.0.3 |
| 10:17 | |Lupin| | lunch |
| 10:17 | chris | in that case it should work fine |
| 10:18 | ricardo | |Lupin|: OK. Have a nice lunch! |
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| 10:19 | pastebot | "ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Output of "./install-code.pl pt-PT" in a git Koha 3.0.x install in SLES 10 SP2" (826 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/15 |
| 10:24 | ricardo | Aren't you glad that I pasted those 826 lines to pastebot, and not here to the channel? ;-) |
| 10:24 | hdl_laptop | sure ;) |
| 10:24 | chris | :) |
| 10:25 | weird | |
| 10:26 | ricardo | chris: Right... There's no entry for "intranet-main" |
| 10:26 | chris | Creating ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT//modules/catalogue/suggest.tmpl... |
| 10:26 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Hi Henri! Good morning :) |
| 10:26 | chris | Creating ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT//modules/intranet-main.tmpl... |
| 10:26 | thats what i get | |
| 10:27 | ricardo | chris: Yeah... I have other setups (one with openSUSE 11.1 and another one with Debian 5.0.3) where I do NOT have this problem |
| 10:27 | * chris | has to go to bed, but im guessing a gettext issue then |
| 10:28 | ricardo | chris: OK. Thanks for the tip. I will have to investigate this... or not. The final install will probably be in SLES 11 (and not SLES 10 SP2) |
| 10:28 | * chris_n2 | says g'night to chris |
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| 11:35 | |Lupin| | hi jane |
| 11:36 | jwagner | Bonjour |
| 11:37 | |Lupin| | jwagner: excellent :) |
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| 11:44 | |Lupin| | hello jdavidb :) |
| 11:44 | jdavidb | Hi, |Lupin|! :) |
| 11:45 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: I was wondering.. shall I keep the debian.packages file I once built, or do you have it and I can get rid of it ? |
| 11:45 | jdavidb | for the Squeeze test? That's the one I have, and am tinkering with, yes. |
| 11:46 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: hmm I tend to get lost with debian code names... squeeze is the current testing one ? |
| 11:47 | jdavidb | Right. |
| 11:47 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: what's the name of current stable again ? |
| 11:47 | jdavidb | "Lenny". |
| 11:47 | |Lupin| | ah right, thanks jdavidb |
| 11:47 | jdavidb | It's still pretty new; a lot of folks are still using the current oldstable, which is "Etch." |
| 11:48 | I've not had *any* issues with Lenny installs, though. | |
| 11:48 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: I think it would be worth preparing a package file also for this one, cause Koha 3.2 has some newdependencies that were not there for KOha 3.0 |
| 11:48 | jdavidb: also had a few | |
| 11:48 | jdavidb | Probably so; I know there are some recent new dependencies, so the packages file for lenny probably needs some updating. |
| 11:49 | I'm doing a whole bunch of lenny installs for some testing and demos this week; I'll try to remember to take notes, and send a patch for the lenny file. | |
| 11:52 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: great. I can think of IPC::Cmd and the thing that does caching as things to double-check, that's all I remember |
| 11:52 | jdavidb | Those are the two that stick out in my mind, too. |
| 11:52 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: but I have also sent a patch for fixing a wrong package name I think, so that shold be in the archives of the koha-patches mailing list |
| 11:52 | jdavidb: I think this has not been applied so far, don't know why | |
| 11:54 | jdavidb: other tricky think is that some Perl modules packages required by KOha are not packaged but a few of their dependencies are, and shold be installed, too | |
| 11:55 | jdavidb | *nod* I'd like to install as many via packages as possible; it's a little easier to keep track of that way, since Debian doesn't shift versions on things quite as often as CPAN does. |
| 11:55 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: the issue with IPC::Cmd was that it's not a package per se; it's part of perl-modules, so I installed this one from cpan to have the right version |
| 11:55 | jdavidb: right | |
| 11:59 | can someone please remind me the name of the syspref used to set koha in maintainance mode or something like that ? I can't remember it right now | |
| 11:59 | jdavidb | OPACMaintenance, I think. |
| 12:00 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: ah, thanks |
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| 12:04 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: hmm, this syspref seems to have vanished... no trouble though, I'll just remove the editcatalogue permission for those users who have it and that will do |
| 12:05 | jdavidb | Hm...That's odd; a syspref search for "Maint" is what I usually do to find it fast. |
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| 12:12 | |Lupin| | jdavidb: I did a select with Maint and it didn't return anything... |
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| 12:13 | |Lupin| | aurelie_v: bonjour |
| 12:19 | hdl_laptop | nengard: hi |
| 12:19 | nengard | hiya - just emailed you back |
| 12:19 | hdl_laptop | hav you managed to get the tree ? |
| 12:19 | just received your email | |
| 12:21 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 12:25 | hdl_laptop | have you sent more ? |
| 12:25 | nengard: have you sent more than one ? | |
| 12:26 | nengard | hdl_laptop - no just the one where i started all over |
| 12:36 | hdl_laptop | nengard: works for me on my laptop with your passphrase |
| 12:36 | nengard | so I can try again? |
| 12:36 | hdl_laptop | I think so. |
| 12:36 | aurelie_v is now known as paul_p | |
| 12:36 | ricardo | back for a while |
| 12:37 | hdl_laptop | nengard: please provide ssh/config full path to your ssh key file. |
| 12:37 | ricardo | " *** aurelie_v is now known as paul_p " ... Hmmm.... Multiple personality? ;-= |
| 12:37 | paul_p | my dell XPS is broken. Using a spare desktop until it's repaired |
| 12:37 | ;-) | |
| 12:37 | hdl_laptop | And not simple basename |
| 12:37 | paul_p | (Aurelie has left BibLibre, and not be replaced yet) |
| 12:38 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: In a "make test" I did yesterday, I think there's a missing dependency in "Makefile.PL" ("DublinCore::Record"). Should I report this / submit a patch? I have a problem: I don't know what would be the "DublinCore::Record" version required |
| 12:38 | (for 3.0.x) | |
| 12:38 | nengard | hdl_laptop - okay - I'll make that change |
| 12:38 | ricardo | paul_p: OK :) |
| 12:39 | hdl_laptop | Dublincore::Record ??? |
| 12:40 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: Yep, I think so |
| 12:41 | hdl_laptop: Yes... | |
| 12:41 | I can put this in Pastebot... wait, please | |
| 12:46 | pastebot | "ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted ""make test" for Koha 3.0.x complains about missing "DublinCore::Record"" (26 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/16 |
| 12:52 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: There... Pasted it to "workbuffer" / pastebot ^^^ |
| 12:56 | hdl_laptop | seen |
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| 12:57 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: OK |
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| 13:01 | jdavidb | Hi, mmm! Long time no see. |
| 13:01 | nengard | mmm - is that michele? |
| 13:01 | mmm | yes |
| 13:02 | nengard | HI!! :) |
| 13:02 | mmm | I just realised that I have not signed for while |
| 13:02 | how is everyone doing | |
| 13:03 | jdavidb | Nine kinds of awesome, here. |
| 13:04 | nengard | just finished setting up git for the 3.2 manual here - so i'm pretty stoked :) |
| 13:04 | thanks to help from hdl_laptop!!!! | |
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| 13:06 | ricardo | nengard: cool :) |
| 13:06 | nengard | writing email now |
| 13:11 | http://git.biblibre.com/cgi-bi[…]ohadocs;a=summary | |
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| 13:19 | nengard | time to head out and get a flu shot so I can make it to Norway without getting sick :) be back shortly |
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| 13:44 | chris_n | nengard++ #for the work on the manual |
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| 14:25 | nengard | thanks chris_n - still a long way to go |
| 14:35 | |Lupin| | nengard: it's really cool that the manual goes into git ! I'm pleased because I'll be able to generate doc in txt format which I find especially convenient |
| 14:36 | nengard: but does this mean that the ability to modify the KOha manual on the web is lost ? | |
| 14:37 | nengard | Lupin - there was not ability to modify the manual online - you could create new pages but not edit exisiting ones taht I wrote - a big issue for me - so hopefully we can find a way to overcome that barrier with this new format and a git reop |
| 14:37 | repo | |
| 14:42 | |Lupin| | nengard: ok... I'm not sure how something could be both in Git and editable online, but if the two options are mutually exclusive, I think I'd defninitely choose git |
| 14:47 | nengard | Lupin - sorry - not editable online - but editable by downloading it from git |
| 14:49 | |Lupin| | nengard: yep |
| 14:57 | someone knows how to display file permissions in numerical rather than symbolial representations, please ? | |
| 15:11 | ricardo | |Lupin|: stat * -c "%a %n" |
| 15:27 | |Lupin| | ricardo: ah I didn't know there was a stat command !!! thanks a lot ricardo ! |
| 15:30 | ricardo | |Lupin|: No problem... I must admit I had to Google a bit to answer your question (and adapted a result that I found :) |
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| 15:42 | |Lupin| | ricardo: I also googled before asking, but apparently not enough. It's cool to know this command exists ! then one just have to read the man to accomodate the results nicely... |
| 15:44 | ricardo: I just tried the comand and it does exactly what I want, you are great :-) | |
| 15:44 | (here the coma should not be read as a logical implicaiton) | |
| 15:45 | and above all it sholdn't be read as a logical equivalence. | |
| 15:45 | ricardo | |Lupin|: LOL! |
| 15:45 | |Lupin|: Cool. I'm glad that helped :) | |
| 15:47 | |Lupin| | ricardo: the organization that employs me has a digital library project and this project stores files on a file system. I'm just doing a lot of opeations to convert this file system from an old to a newer format. So this implies a lot of shell scriping, it's really an interesting test to figure out how good one is at shell programming |
| 15:48 | ricardo | |Lupin|: For most of the Admin tasks that I do, I stopped doing "shell scripts" and started writing "Perl scripts" |
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| 15:52 | |Lupin| | ricardo: I see... Well I'm not good enough with Perl to actually gain some efficiency... |
| 15:53 | ricardo | |Lupin|: Yeah... That takes a bit of time, in the beginning |
| 15:53 | |Lupin| | ricardo: actually, I think that I decide for which task whether it will be shell, perl or perhaps even Caml, depending of what seems easier to me, the code I already have related to the task, etc. |
| 15:53 | ricardo: yep. | |
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| 15:55 | ricardo | |Lupin|: I never touched Caml, so I can't comment on that one... You can write a Perl with shell commands, by using system("command"); e.g: system("ls -l"); Granted, for many things it's better to use a native Perl construct than to use "system", but for some things it works well |
| 15:56 | |Lupin| | ricardo: I certainly believe you... I even used $var=`command` in Perl once, I think. |
| 15:57 | ricardo | |Lupin|: Maybe... I don't remember if that's allowed, but it may be |
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| 16:03 | |Lupin| | ricardo: I think it is... |
| 16:04 | ricardo | |Lupin|: OK |
| 16:04 | Oh boy... | |
| 16:04 | Trouble | |
| 16:06 | http://twitpic.com/m4v8y | |
| 16:07 | wizzyrea | omg, I got that one too! |
| 16:07 | I thought it was just me | |
| 16:07 | ricardo | wizzyrea: Right... Everyone always think that anrything only happens to them! ;-) |
| 16:09 | |Lupin| | ricardo: I can't read the page well wth lynx... what's the problem ? |
| 16:09 | hdl_laptop | ricardo: ? |
| 16:09 | Is that on 3.0.x? | |
| 16:09 | wizzyrea | well, I'm prone to stupid mistakes >.> |
| 16:10 | so *usually* it is just me :P | |
| 16:10 | ricardo | wizzyrea: LOL! |
| 16:11 | hdl_laptop: I'm doing an update from SLES 10 SP2 to SLES 11... and had to change some paths. And now I'm getting this. | |
| 16:11 | |Lupin| | ricardo: I could have said the same... |
| 16:11 | hdl_laptop | that may come from debug level too important or CGI::Session |
| 16:11 | make sure you use CGI::Session::Serialize::YAML | |
| 16:11 | ricardo | There are some curious entries in the error log... Pasting it to Pastebot in a few moments |
| 16:12 | hdl_laptop: Oh, I am using CGI::Session::Serialize::YAML : | |
| 16:12 | # rpm -qa | grep -i cgi-session | |
| 16:12 | perl-CGI-Session-Serialize-yaml-4.24-1.22 | |
| 16:12 | perl-CGI-Session-4.42-8.5 | |
| 16:14 | hdl_laptop | ok |
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| 16:20 | pastebot | "ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Koha Error Log for a "Content-type: text/html" Loop in Koha 3.0.x" (25 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/17 |
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| 16:21 | |Lupin| | nengard: still around ? |
| 16:21 | hdl_laptop | ricardo : set debug level to 1 anywhere you can |
| 16:21 | nengard | Lupin yes -- but on the phone |
| 16:22 | |Lupin| | nengard: ok, pls tell me when you're available, I'd like to talk about a part of the manual with you |
| 16:22 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 16:22 | * nengard | on phone |
| 16:22 | |Lupin| | artichokey |
| 16:22 | thanks nengard | |
| 16:22 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: OK, will do |
| 16:40 | * paul_p | leaves office. See you tomorrow morning #koha ! |
| 16:45 | ricardo | hdl_laptop: OK, this is weird: |
| 16:45 | " NO /root/kohaclone/kohaversion.pl at /koha/kohaclone/C4/Context.pm line 203." | |
| 16:46 | * nengard | off the phone |
| 16:46 | ricardo | But I already updated paths in "koha-conf.xml" :-/ |
| 16:46 | nengard | Lupin - what did you want to ask? |
| 16:46 | ricardo | and in "koha-httpd.conf" |
| 16:46 | (I no longer have a "/root/kohaclone", only a "/koha/kohaclone") | |
| 16:49 | I'll do a reboot (just to be sure) | |
| 16:53 | * nengard | lunching |
| 16:57 | ricardo | Is it "fair game" to edit wrong paths in koha/kohaclone/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-conf.xml and koha/ricardokohaclone/blib/KOHA_CONF_DIR/koha-httpd.conf (although those files are marked "read-only")? |
| 16:57 | Never mind... I'll do a "make test"; "make install" instead | |
| 16:58 | |Lupin| | nengard: hmm I missed you, sorry |
| 16:58 | nengard: not sure whether I shold wait for you or just go home and talk to you from there | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | |Lupin| she'll probably be 30-40 mins |
| 17:00 | |Lupin| | wizzyrea: ok, thanks a lot ! |
| 17:00 | nengard | back |
| 17:00 | hehe | |
| 17:00 | |Lupin| | nengard: oh wow, you're a quick luncher !! |
| 17:00 | nengard | Lupin - i've been sick |
| 17:01 | just eating something small | |
| 17:01 | |Lupin| | nengard: I wante d to tellyou about two system preferences |
| 17:01 | nengard | k |
| 17:01 | |Lupin| | nengard: just checking heir names... |
| 17:01 | nengard: staffClientBaseURL and OPACBaseURL | |
| 17:02 | nengard | yep - they are for the url to your staff client and your OPAC |
| 17:02 | |Lupin| | nengard: I think the manuals document them as if they work, but as far as I know they actually do _not_ work so far. |
| 17:02 | ricardo | OK... I solved that bug (infinite loop)... and I'm back to the old bug (first page after staff client appears in English... Oh well. I'll leave for today. I think I'll be back here in 4 hours or so.) |
| 17:02 | nengard | both need http:// in front of them |
| 17:02 | Lupin - they weren't used at all - until I submitted some patches that do use them | |
| 17:02 | so theyll be used in 3.2 | |
| 17:03 | |Lupin| | nengard: really !? |
| 17:03 | nengard | :) yup |
| 17:03 | |Lupin| | nengard: and they are used consistently everywhere in KOha now ? |
| 17:03 | nengard | no - not that i know of - but i don't think they're required everywhere - are they? |
| 17:03 | |Lupin| | nengard: that's really great !! I missed this feature so much !! |
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| 17:03 | ricardo | (Looking at traffic cameras on the Web... |
| 17:03 | nengard | Like I said - I know that they work for the features I wrote -but I did not fix them globally |
| 17:04 | |Lupin| | nengard: well... which links according to you shold not take them into account ? |
| 17:04 | ricardo | "Bad traffic! Bad!" ;-) |
| 17:04 | nengard | Lupin - no clue :) hehe - just know that the system seems to work a-ok without them set |
| 17:04 | would need a developer's input on this | |
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| 17:05 | |Lupin| | nengard: yeah so they do not work everywhere... according to me every url generated topoint to the OPAC shold take the OPAC one into account, same for the intranet |
| 17:05 | Ropuch | Evening, #koha |
| 17:05 | |Lupin| | hi Ropuch |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | lol nengard that was the fastest lunch ever |
| 17:05 | owen | Oh nice, Liblime has kicked me off the Liblime-users list. |
| 17:05 | Guess what guys, our contract isn't up until January! | |
| 17:05 | wizzyrea | ... |
| 17:05 | nengard | owen - wait - aren't you a LL customer? |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | !! You're a muck stirrer !! |
| 17:06 | nengard | and isn't the list for LL customers? |
| 17:06 | |Lupin| | nengard: what I mean is that by reading the manual it's what I understood -- that all the OPAC-related urls use th opac sysperf and the same for intranet related urls and the intranet syspref. And then I realized it was not the case and was frustrated. |
| 17:06 | wizzyrea | owen: still, that's epic dirty. |
| 17:06 | nengard | Ahhh - okay - Lupin I'll update the description to make it clear that it's not used for everything at this time |
| 17:07 | * owen | was about to stir up some more muck! |
| 17:07 | Ropuch | [; |
| 17:07 | Sue them! ;-) | |
| 17:07 | |Lupin| | nengard: /me disappointed :) |
| 17:07 | schuster | Did you get an email? or how did you know you were bumped? |
| 17:08 | nengard | I'd be happy to have one less email list to read through :) |
| 17:08 | Lupin - sorry :( | |
| 17:08 | is there a bug for it? | |
| 17:08 | |Lupin| | nengard: actually the wonderfur thing would be to patch KOha so that they are used everywhere... but I realsie it's a logt of job and don't have the time myself to do it |
| 17:08 | owen | schuster: I got a message that my email was "being held until the list moderator can review it for approval." |
| 17:08 | "Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list" | |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | wowie |
| 17:09 | schuster | hmmm used the same email account right? Very interesting... I'll probably be next. |
| 17:09 | |Lupin| | nengard: yeah, but I céan't remember the number right now... it was suggested to get rid of the sysprefs, but I added a comemnt to explain why it was not a good idea IMO |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | and nengard got a nastygram from LL too |
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| 17:09 | nengard | schuster? why would you be next?? |
| 17:09 | wizzyrea | ??! |
| 17:09 | schuster | I keep asking when when when... |
| 17:10 | owen | Because schuster didn't call to have me tarred-and-feathered when I stirred up muck ;) Let that be a lesson to all of you! |
| 17:10 | schuster | As a self hosted we would be treated like community - but pay support for community upgrades and we are "tied-in" for the 5 year contract. |
| 17:10 | * jdavidb | wouldn't tar-and-feather owen, even for funsies. He's too awesome for that. |
| 17:10 | wizzyrea | schuster did you have the option to say "this isn't what we signed up for, let us out?" |
| 17:11 | schuster | Havn't gotten legal yet.... |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | i know our contract is under review |
| 17:11 | schuster | We also have some development that I'm waiting to see from them. |
| 17:11 | wizzyrea | so do we |
| 17:11 | and we haven't had any updates since... june-ish? | |
| 17:11 | ricardo | Bye ppl! |
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| 17:12 | nengard | so much sadness :( |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | well, actually, that's not entirely accurate. we've had a couple very specific bugfixes since then |
| 17:12 | schuster | Yep... No updates and I have been getting emails that logs are being noted - "when this bug is fixed in community it will be applied to your system" |
| 17:12 | wizzyrea | yes, we are getting those too |
| 17:12 | Ropuch | Uh |
| 17:13 | schuster | I sent Josh and Marc an email today about our development timelines. |
| 17:13 | wizzyrea | so have we |
| 17:13 | last week, actually | |
| 17:13 | and we have heard nothing | |
| 17:13 | nengard | schuster - did you report your bugs/requests/issues on bugs.koha.org - feel free to email me some of them if you need help with them - I'll do my best |
| 17:13 | same for wizzyrea | |
| 17:14 | schuster | 3166 is one that they noted |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | a lot of our stuff is fixed already |
| 17:14 | schuster | Lucky you...wizzyrea |
| 17:14 | wizzyrea | we just need the effin patches. :( |
| 17:14 | don't know, don't feel so lucky | |
| 17:15 | schuster | I'd better stop now or I'll be sanctioned. |
| 17:16 | nengard | that too is way too sad :( |
| 17:16 | Ropuch | How can I git clone the kohadocs repo? I'm not familiar with git and can't figure out the repository ulr |
| 17:17 | nengard | Ropuch - I used this: |
| 17:17 | git clone gitosisgit.biblibre.com:kohadocs.git clonedoc |
|
| 17:17 | but I don't know if that is what you need | |
| 17:18 | Ropuch | nengard: yep, but it requires a password - maybe it's not public yet? |
| 17:18 | nengard | Ropuch - yeah - hdl said he had to remove the password we set up for me to start the work - so we probably just need to wait a little bit |
| 17:19 | besides like I said the version in there isn't complete and isn't the one I'm going to work on anymore - I'm going to start fresh | |
| 17:19 | Ropuch | nengard: ok, I'm just courious [; |
| 17:19 | brendan | nengard++ startingfresh++ |
| 17:19 | nengard | :) |
| 17:19 | I need a good refreshing in general | |
| 17:24 | Ropuch | I'm thinking of starting an english-polish dictionary with modern librarianship vocabulary, all i have acces to are pretty out-of-date |
| 17:25 | Polish mozilla translating team has something like that, pretty simple and useful | |
| 17:34 | chris | *sigh* i find it telling that joshua doesnt have time to commit code back, or answer questions, but has time to threaten nengard |
| 17:34 | i guess it shouldnt suprise me, he already threatened me earlier this year, but still ... what a dick | |
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| 17:37 | jdavidb | Hi, chris. I guess y'all are just special; he hasn't hassled me yet. But the day is young. |
| 17:40 | |Lupin| | all the best everybody, time to go home |
| 17:40 | bye | |
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| 17:44 | chris | savitra++ #lots of good answers on the mailing lists |
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| 17:46 | ColinC is now known as Colin | |
| 17:58 | brendan | still no munin eh? |
| 17:59 | chris | yeah, havent seen galen for a couple of days |
| 18:00 | brendan | how am I supposed to know what the weather is like outside? |
| 18:00 | I guess I will use old fashion ways and open a window | |
| 18:02 | nengard | hehe - or turn on the news - or visit weather.com |
| 18:02 | :) | |
| 18:03 | chris | hehe |
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| 18:10 | chris | web owen |
| 18:10 | brendan | chris is now in spiderman mode |
| 18:10 | nengard | hehe - was wondering what he meant by 'web' |
| 18:10 | thanks for clearing that up :) | |
| 18:11 | chris | wb i meant to type |
| 18:11 | nengard | but it's so much fun to pick on you :) |
| 18:11 | will do | |
| 18:12 | owen | I'm feeling a bit disreputable today thanks to my mailing list ban ;) |
| 18:12 | chris | be careful, or i will send you an email and cc a lawyer nengard |
| 18:12 | brendan | koha loves you owen |
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| 18:14 | pianohacker | hello |
| 18:15 | chris | quick there he is nengard |
| 18:15 | hiya pianohacker | |
| 18:16 | nengard | pianohacker |
| 18:16 | pianohacker | oh no |
| 18:16 | nengard | was just talking about you :) hehe |
| 18:16 | * pianohacker | runs away again |
| 18:16 | nengard | was about to write you an email |
| 18:16 | jdavidb | run away, pianohacker! |
| 18:16 | nengard | NO NO NO - :) |
| 18:16 | you're all so mean to me :( boo hoo | |
| 18:16 | pianohacker | I saw the one about sysprefs |
| 18:16 | I just can't handle all the pressure! | |
| 18:16 | nengard | no another one - |
| 18:17 | brendan | hi pianohacker |
| 18:17 | pianohacker | hi brendan, jdavidb, chris, nengard |
| 18:17 | nengard | I'm actually writing up the manual now for sys prefs - but I wanted to ask if you need help - and I wanted to suggest - or do it for you - that you put the prefs in alpha order |
| 18:18 | is that something I can do to aleviate pressure? | |
| 18:18 | also if you tell me what sections need prefs still I can try to help with that too | |
| 18:18 | anything that makes my documenting life easier :) hehe | |
| 18:18 | pianohacker | ahh, okay. within the groups, they're often loosely grouped by function |
| 18:18 | nengard | yes within the groups |
| 18:18 | pianohacker | but alpha would probably be easier to deal with |
| 18:19 | jk about the pressure :) | |
| 18:19 | nengard | heh |
| 18:19 | but seriously, I can help | |
| 18:19 | I don't mind - but I didn't want to step on what you were doing | |
| 18:21 | pianohacker | right. it is a bit behind; let me do some work on it today and submit that. you've reminded me that I really need to make a guide to adding sysprefs to the editor |
| 18:24 | That would probably go on the dev wiki, but I could make a basic docbook version if it would make your life easier | |
| 18:27 | nengard | whatever way is easiest for you |
| 18:27 | also the tabs themselves aren't in alpha order right now - and should be | |
| 18:28 | pianohacker | okay, I'll check that and make sure it's correct for the version I submit today |
| 18:29 | (It will also include the OAI-PMH -> Web Services change, as that's very easy) | |
| 18:30 | chris | hmmm no ricardo |
| 18:32 | ah well google translate to the rescue | |
| 18:32 | * chris | found this today |
| 18:33 | chris | http://baixamar.wordpress.com/[…]ca-nas-politicas/ |
| 18:33 | which lead me to | |
| 18:33 | http://www.alatechsource.org/s[…]ter/november-2009 | |
| 18:34 | nengard | pianohacker - you rock - and while you work I'm going to document what you have already anyway - so I can be ahead of the curve |
| 18:34 | pianohacker | nengard: sounds good |
| 18:36 | chris_n | interesting descriptive term... "enraged" |
| 18:37 | * jdavidb | is pleased to spot two new twitter followers, and they're two of his faaaaavorite koha people. |
| 18:37 | wizzyrea | what's your twitter jdavidb |
| 18:38 | jdavidb | dbavousett |
| 18:38 | chris | chris_n: hehe yeah, i thought the writeup mostly gets it though eh? |
| 18:38 | chris_n | chris: dead on the nail head |
| 18:39 | pianohacker | jdavidb: hahaha, you're a qc fan too, eh? |
| 18:39 | jdavidb | Very much! |
| 18:39 | When Jeph was here for SPX, he did a great sketch of Dora for me. :) | |
| 18:40 | pianohacker | oh, very nice |
| 18:40 | jdavidb | I've posted in in my facebook album, pianohacker...aren't you on there? |
| 18:40 | pianohacker | every once in a while, let's see... |
| 18:42 | jdavidb | I laugh a *lot* at unsuckdcmetro's tweets. Someone needs a hug, real bad. |
| 18:42 | pianohacker | hey, doing pull-ups on the subway isn't a bad idea! |
| 18:43 | nengard | git question |
| 18:43 | if i remove files from my local directory will it note that when i commit? or do I have to use a command to remove files? | |
| 18:43 | chris_n | git rm |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | nengard: you have to use git-rm |
| 18:44 | chris_n | pianohacker: those fingers are healing well I see ;-) |
| 18:44 | pianohacker | hehe |
| 18:44 | this one-handed typing is working better and better | |
| 18:44 | nengard | thanks chris_n and pianohacker |
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| 18:50 | chris_n | brb |
| 18:55 | chris | bus time |
| 18:55 | bbiab | |
| 18:55 | pianohacker | cya |
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| 19:03 | wizzyrea | is anybody here in a library that's using the SMS capability in Koha |
| 19:12 | schuster | Are there any CODE4LIB folks online right now? Couple of questions... |
| 19:13 | pianohacker | schuster: I think all of the members are idling at the moment, but I might be able to help |
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| 19:14 | schuster | I've never been, but understand they CAP attendance? |
| 19:14 | jdavidb | I believe that's correct schuster, but it's not as nefarious as it sounds. They deliberately choose small venues. |
| 19:15 | schuster | So its first come you get in type stuff. |
| 19:15 | jdavidb | As I understand it, yes. |
| 19:16 | schuster | Ah.... |
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| 19:39 | nengard | pianohacker - another edit for you |
| 19:39 | on the catloging preferences | |
| 19:39 | change the spelling of the title from Cataloguing to Cataloging | |
| 19:40 | schuster yes - that is the case - small venues so limits on the number of people | |
| 19:41 | pianohacker | nengard: ahh, thank you for catching that, I've been britrotted by the usage of cataloguing in the code |
| 19:41 | nengard | hehe |
| 19:42 | no prob | |
| 19:42 | question for everyone - why are we using OSt as the default MARC Org code? Should we try to get one for Koha - or use something fake instead of a real code for a library in Ohio? | |
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| 19:43 | nengard | http://www.loc.gov/marc/organi[…]ns/org-search.php |
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| 19:47 | richard | hi |
| 19:47 | wizzyrea | heya richard |
| 19:47 | richard | hi wizzyrea |
| 19:48 | chris | back |
| 19:49 | richard | wb chris |
| 19:52 | chris_n | nengard: this might be something we could do after fixing our foundational woes |
| 19:52 | nengard | that makes sense |
| 19:53 | chris_n | nengard: it would be nice to have a syspref for libraries to enter their own org code if they have one and otherwise default to the koha foundation code |
| 19:53 | chris | presumably each library should have thei own |
| 19:53 | and yes it is a syspref | |
| 19:53 | chris_n | nothing like re-inventing the wheel :-P |
| 19:53 | * chris | finds |
| 19:53 | nengard | chris - but if the library doesn't use MARC why have a code? |
| 19:54 | chris | MARCOrgCode |
| 19:54 | they have to use MARC with koha currently | |
| 19:54 | nengard | I know that - that's what I'm talking about - but they don't have to register for a code |
| 19:54 | :) | |
| 19:54 | chris | there is no way round it, much to my chagrin |
| 19:54 | nengard | which means they're using the one for a library that isn't theirs |
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| 19:54 | chris | yeah, i dont think that actually matters |
| 19:55 | nengard | it does if they allow for their records to be downloaded by others |
| 19:55 | then another library might download it and have that code attached - anyway - it shouldn't be a code for a real library by default in my opinion | |
| 19:55 | chris | in that case they should register for one |
| 19:55 | id leave it blank by default | |
| 19:56 | * chris_n | applies for an org code for the library here |
| 19:56 | chris | but i dont really care :) |
| 19:56 | chris_n | nengard: thanks for bringing this up |
| 19:56 | nengard | chris - as a cataloger I care :) hehe |
| 19:56 | chris | whatever value is in there is going to be wrong |
| 19:57 | unless it is actually the library's one | |
| 19:57 | nengard | true |
| 19:57 | chris_n | catch 22 |
| 19:57 | chris | so blank is probably best |
| 19:57 | nengard | k - then we need to change another setting too - that requires that that field be filled in |
| 19:57 | chris_n | maybe a link in the syspref description to the code request form? |
| 19:58 | nengard | chris_n - pianohacker did that :) |
| 19:58 | in his new sys prefs developments | |
| 19:58 | chris_n | cool |
| 19:59 | chris: is there a chinese translation/usage of koha? | |
| 19:59 | chris | yes |
| 19:59 | there is a huge koha-taiwan group | |
| 20:00 | and quite a few mainland ones also | |
| 20:00 | * chris_n | reads a request on the list |
| 20:02 | chris | http://groups.google.com/group/kohataiwan |
| 20:02 | chris_n | yup |
| 20:02 | google knows... :-) | |
| 20:02 | kind of scary actually | |
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| 20:05 | chris | :) |
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| 20:24 | wizzyrea | ok question about SMS + koha |
| 20:27 | schuster | You may ask but may not find... ;( |
| 20:32 | richard is now known as rich-away | |
| 20:42 | wizzyrea | we are toying with the idea of letting patrons use their phone email address as their SMS info |
| 20:42 | but I think that means that any notices sent to the SMS email addresses will be the same as the regular notices | |
| 20:43 | schuster | There was some note someplace about needing an SMS "driver" or something along those lines... |
| 20:43 | chris | yep |
| 20:44 | wizzyrea | yea, I think you can get around that if you are using it as email |
| 20:44 | as in, not the native SMS driver | |
| 20:44 | BUT | |
| 20:44 | I'm thinking about these notices | |
| 20:45 | who wants to get 3 texts saying 'you have a hold' | |
| 20:45 | So. | |
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| 21:27 | ricardo | Hi all (again) |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | hi, ricardo |
| 21:28 | ricardo | pianohacker: Hi Jesse |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | I think chris was looking for you earlier |
| 21:28 | how are you? | |
| 21:28 | ricardo | pianohacker: Chris was looking for me? Why? |
| 21:28 | pianohacker | ricardo: not sure |
| 21:29 | ricardo | pianohacker: I'm well, but I need a long vacation... And no chance to take days off in sight (although I still have *lots* of holiday days to use) |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | ricardo: busy with work? |
| 21:29 | ricardo | pianohacker: You bet! |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | where exactly do you work? |
| 21:30 | ricardo | pianohacker: "I could tell you, but then I would have to kill you" ;-) |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | oh my. "dias-marques, ricardo dias-marques", eh? |
| 21:31 | ricardo | pianohacker: I'm a public/civil servant, in Portugal |
| 21:31 | pianohacker: LOL! | |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | right, in portugal. what does the government have you doing? |
| 21:31 | ricardo | pianohacker: http://www.inst-informatica.pt[…]rsion?language=en |
| 21:32 | pastebot | "hdl" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "data in @next_items" (58 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/19 |
| 21:33 | ricardo | pianohacker: Although, you may recognize more easily http://www.inst-informatica.pt[…]koha/opac-main.pl ;-) |
| 21:33 | pianohacker | Ah, your agency is in the government. That page manages to say a lot but communicate very little about what the agency actually does ;) |
| 21:34 | ricardo | pianohacker: LOL! |
| 21:34 | pianohacker: It does several things... None of them are secret (that I know of) but they are listed in the site only in the Portuguese area of the web site | |
| 21:35 | * chris_n2 | marvels at pianohacker's insight into the uselessness of government disinformation ;-) |
| 21:35 | ricardo | chris_n2: LOL! |
| 21:35 | pianohacker | a quick scan seems to indicate that you are essentially the it and recordkeeping services for the government |
| 21:36 | chris_n2: I work at a public library, so I can't really talk, but... | |
| 21:36 | chris_n2 | nice looking site ricardo |
| 21:36 | pianohacker | it is purty |
| 21:36 | chris_n2 | lol pianohacker |
| 21:36 | ricardo | pianohacker: Well, I suppose you say "you" = meaning "The Institute", and not me... I work a lot, but not THAT hard :) |
| 21:37 | chris_n2: Wasn't done by me, but by some colleagues of mine... and it's Plone powered! :) | |
| 21:37 | chris_n2 | ok, well feel free to pass it along :-) |
| 21:38 | * chris_n2 | hears food calling |
| 21:38 | pianohacker | enjoy your meal, good sir |
| 21:38 | chris_n2 | and, of course, must obey |
| 21:39 | ricardo | chris_n2: LOL |
| 21:40 | pianohacker | ricardo: for someone buried under work, you're in a bubbly mood |
| 21:41 | ricardo | pianohacker: Well... when you have to work in several projects at the same time, getting late in some of them becomes inevitable... So, you do your best and try to keep a good mood, I guess |
| 21:41 | pianohacker | ricardo: yeah, I'm familiar with that coping mechanism from both school and work... |
| 21:42 | ricardo | pianohacker: Right! |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | gotta stay cheerful, or you'll end up on top of a clock tower clutching a sniper rifle and cackling madly |
| 21:43 | ricardo | pianohacker: LOL! True |
| 21:44 | Hmmm.... | |
| 21:45 | pianohacker | ¿Qué pasa? |
| 21:45 | ricardo | Many "File does not exist" errors in this Virtual Machine (in the "koha-error_log" |
| 21:45 | pianohacker: That's Spanish... but OK ;-) | |
| 21:46 | pianohacker | ricardo: actually, that leads me to a question from our conversation yesterday; do you encounter spanish much in portugal, and do you speak it? |
| 21:46 | ricardo | pianohacker: I understand Spanish... I may speak "Portunhol" (similar to "Spanglish"), but that's not a real language :) |
| 21:47 | pianohacker | ahhh, okay |
| 21:47 | cool, good to know. | |
| 21:47 | ricardo | :) |
| 21:47 | pianohacker | do some of those errors contain itemtypeimg? |
| 21:48 | there's a weird bug with itemtype images | |
| 21:48 | ricardo | pianohacker: Nope |
| 21:48 | kohaclone/koha-tmpl/container | |
| 21:48 | kohaclone/koha-tmpl/menu | |
| 21:48 | kohaclone/koha-tmpl/utilities | |
| 21:48 | kohaclone/koha-tmpl/button | |
| 21:48 | That's it... | |
| 21:48 | Should these files exist? | |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | ricardo: not to my knowledge, looking for similar errors in my library's install |
| 21:49 | ricardo | pianohacker: OK, thanks :) |
| 21:50 | pianohacker: Try to enter the "System Preferences" area and see if you get these errors, please | |
| 21:51 | pianohacker | haven't checked system preferences yet, but I am getting a lot of harmless errors like this: File does not exist: /home/jakarta/projects/koha3-production/koha-tmpl/koha-tmpl, referer: http://staff.jcfl/cgi-bin/koha[…]rd&importid=88321 |
| 21:51 | ricardo | pianohacker: Right... That kind |
| 21:53 | pianohacker | ricardo: loading up the sysprefs area doesn't generate any errors on my bleeding-edge install |
| 21:53 | ricardo | pianohacker: For "3.0.x" or "master"? |
| 21:53 | pianohacker | master |
| 21:53 | ricardo | pianohacker: OK. I'm on "3.0.x". That may explain it |
| 21:54 | pianohacker | could be some fixed bug |
| 21:54 | ricardo | pianohacker: Perhaps... I'll try to update this |
| 21:55 | OK... What's that command to compare a "working copy" file with HEAD again... | |
| 21:55 | pianohacker | git diff master <filename>, I believe |
| 21:55 | replacing master with whatever base you want to use | |
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| 21:56 | ricardo | pianohacker: Yep, you're right. Thanks :) |
| 21:56 | ch left #koha | |
| 21:59 | ricardo | Ouch! |
| 21:59 | pianohacker | ? |
| 21:59 | ricardo | "In the radio: the temperature may drop 10º C, here in Portugal, during this week" |
| 21:59 | pianohacker | wow, that's quite a drop |
| 21:59 | ricardo | Yep! |
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| 22:06 | ricardo | Running "./install-code.pl pt-PT" |
| 22:07 | pianohacker | please don't paste the output! :) |
| 22:08 | ricardo | pianohacker: LOL! |
| 22:08 | pianohacker: "Touché!" ;-) | |
| 22:09 | Here's the output: | |
| 22:09 | "The install seems to be successful." | |
| 22:09 | ;-) | |
| 22:09 | pianohacker | well then! |
| 22:09 | ricardo | Let's see... |
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| 22:11 | ricardo | Everything is the same... I'll run "perl Makefile.PL; make test; make install" again |
| 22:21 | Running "make test". Now pasting the output of this would be fun ... and long! ;-) | |
| 22:24 | * chris_n2 | tinkers with koha on win32 with the latest Strawberry rc |
| 22:25 | ricardo | chris_n2: Is it working well? |
| 22:27 | chris_n2 | phone |
| 22:32 | ricardo | Eeek! |
| 22:32 | I have to rebuild the MySQL database of this install | |
| 22:37 | pianohacker | What happened? |
| 22:38 | ricardo | pianohacker: An almost database, in this case... This is an old VM (untouched for a long time), so it may be some old problem that I don't remember |
| 22:39 | almost *empty* database, I mean | |
| 22:39 | What's the best way to make the Web installer run again? | |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | ricardo: change the Version system preference |
| 22:43 | ricardo | pianohacker: To what value? |
| 22:43 | pianohacker | ricardo: depends, where do you need to rebuild it from? |
| 22:44 | ricardo | pianohacker: Well, this is for 3.0.x |
| 22:44 | pianohacker: Right now, the "Version" system preference, in the database, reads " 3.0004018" | |
| 22:45 | I only have 3 rows in the "systempreferences" table actually | |
| 22:45 | "FrameworksLoaded", "marcflavour" and "Version" | |
| 22:45 | pianohacker | ahh, something is very screwed up |
| 22:45 | how'd that happen? | |
| 22:45 | ricardo | pianohacker: Nah.... I would just point to: |
| 22:46 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SNAFU | |
| 22:46 | ;-) | |
| 22:46 | pianohacker | right then? |
| 22:47 | ricardo | pianohacker: Not sure... Some mix-up between a "kohamaster" and a "koha30x" database in this git setup? Rest assured that I treat my production machines better than this, eheh |
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| 22:50 | ricardo | pianohacker: I'll try to run "perl Makefile.PL" without pointing to a previous install, and see how this goes |
| 22:51 | chris_n2 | ricardo: good... so far |
| 22:52 | ricardo | chris_n2: I assume you're talking about "Koha on Windows". OK :) |
| 22:52 | chris_n2 | right |
| 22:52 | pre-reqs are going flawless so far... | |
| 22:52 | ricardo | chris_n2: Nice" |
| 23:07 | chris_n2 | ok, the party is over... stuff is refusing to install :-S |
| 23:08 | * chris_n2 | gets out his bigger hammer |
| 23:08 | * ricardo | ducks! |
| 23:08 | ricardo | OK... Something is *really really* wrong here |
| 23:08 | Even with an empty database... I wonder if the problem is with the SQL test files that I have in this setuo | |
| 23:08 | setup | |
| 23:19 | OK, yeah... that was it. | |
| 23:20 | The problem was that I had some SQL test files (for a future version of the Portuguese translation) under: | |
| 23:20 | kohaclone/installer/data/mysql/pt-PT/marcflavour/unimarc/mandatory/ | |
| 23:20 | pianohacker | chris_n2: same errors as the last time you tried? |
| 23:20 | chris_n2 | pianohacker: no, this is an issue with Barcode::Code128 |
| 23:21 | ricardo | ...and I selected "pt-PT" in the Installer... because I don't have yet INSERTs for the "systempreferences" table (for Portuguese), this had all kinds of nasty effects |
| 23:21 | chris_n2 | I'm not sure it is a *real* issue |
| 23:21 | ricardo | chris_n2: I think Galen said it's safe to force install Barcode::Code128 |
| 23:22 | chris_n2 | it seems that the binary in the graphic generated by GD does not match that in the test file |
| 23:22 | I tend to think it is more of a problem with the test than a bug proper | |
| 23:22 | ricardo: seems I remember that too | |
| 23:23 | pianohacker | chris_n2: I think I had to force install myself on linux |
| 23:23 | ricardo | #28369: PNG image generated by test looks the same but is not identical |
| 23:23 | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/[…]lay.html?id=28369 | |
| 23:24 | I even "chimed in" for that Barcode::Code128 bug: | |
| 23:24 | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/[…]=28369#txn-531884 | |
| 23:24 | chris_n2 | are you the same ricardo? |
| 23:24 | ricardo | chris_n2: Yep |
| 23:24 | chris_n2 | ricardo++ |
| 23:24 | ricardo | LOL |
| 23:24 | Thanks :) | |
| 23:25 | chris_n2 | and we're off again |
| 23:27 | ricardo | I have a greater victory for "HTTP::OAI" where I exchanged e-mails with Tim Brody and he changed that module so that it didn't fail tests (in Koha installs, it would usually fail because "we" change the ParserDetais.ini file) |
| 23:27 | chris_n2 | nice |
| 23:27 | ricardo | :) |
| 23:28 | chris_n2 | I've got some improvements submitted for PDF::Reuse which should show up in the next release near the end of Oct |
| 23:28 | ricardo | ... and if you think some Koha code is hard to read, you should try to read "HTTP::OAI" code: it uses "recursion" and "reflection" extensively :-S |
| 23:28 | chris_n2++ | |
| 23:28 | chris_n2 | yuk |
| 23:29 | obfuscation is intriguing at times, but mostly a pain | |
| 23:30 | ricardo | Tim Brody has a PhD... and he belongs to the Research Staff of the "School of Electronics and Computer Science" of the "University of Southampton" in the UK. So, I guess that his code look simple to him... |
| 23:30 | chris_n2 | heh |
| 23:32 | ricardo | For instance |
| 23:32 | http://cpansearch.perl.org/src[…]/OAI/Harvester.pm | |
| 23:32 | Read "sub _oai" | |
| 23:33 | pianohacker | wow, that's a lot of perl shortcuts |
| 23:33 | ricardo | pianohacker: yep |
| 23:33 | $r->record(@{$self->{_records}->{$args{metadataPrefix}}}); | |
| 23:34 | pianohacker | bleh, though things like that are the fault of perl's horribly bass-ackwards data structures |
| 23:34 | ricardo | LOL |
| 23:35 | chris_n2 | interesting |
| 23:36 | ricardo | chris_n2: It is... He uses blocks with "$verb" to create ... err... methods at runtime... That probably has a name in Perl but I don't know it / remember |
| 23:36 | chris_n2 | I wonder if there is really any gain in net speed vs extrapolating the code into a bit more readable form? |
| 23:36 | chris | no |
| 23:37 | ricardo | chris: He's alive! |
| 23:37 | chris_n2 | heh |
| 23:37 | ricardo | I like these 2 lines even better: |
| 23:37 | chris | the interpreter will execute them both the same |
| 23:37 | ricardo | } elsif( $verb eq 'ListIdentifiers' ) { |
| 23:37 | $r->identifier(map { $_->header } @{$self->{_records}->{$args{metadataPrefix}}}) | |
| 23:37 | chris_n2 | no ricardo, he comes up for air occasionally |
| 23:37 | chris | the only reasno for doing stuff like that is if you are playing perl golf |
| 23:37 | pianohacker | chris_n2: I've had to resist the urge to write 1 line of unreadable code vs. 4 lines of readable code before |
| 23:37 | ricardo | chris: LOL! |
| 23:37 | chris | its short term gain vs months of long term pain |
| 23:37 | chris_n2 | I took the ultra readable route in the labels rewrite |
| 23:38 | ricardo | chris: *nod* |
| 23:38 | chris | chris_n2++ |
| 23:38 | pianohacker | I'm hoping some of the shortcuts I took in the new sysprefs editor don't make it too unreadable :) |
| 23:38 | ricardo | I really prefer "readable"... I'll have to debug stuff months from now, and the simpler, the better... Not to mention I think my IQ is decreasing as years go by... |
| 23:39 | chris_n2 | ricardo: same problem here ;-) |
| 23:39 | ricardo | chris_n2: eheh |
| 23:39 | chris | http://fishbowl.pastiche.org/2[…]quote_of_the_day/ |
| 23:40 | pianohacker | ahaha, very true |
| 23:40 | chris_n2 | chris: LOL! |
| 23:40 | ricardo | chris: Kernighan++ ;-) |
| 23:41 | chris: pianohacker said you wanted to talk with me? | |
| 23:42 | chris | ah was about |
| 23:43 | http://baixamar.wordpress.com/[…]ca-nas-politicas/ | |
| 23:43 | ricardo | "Baixamar"? heh |
| 23:43 | OK. Let me read that | |
| 23:44 | OK, read... | |
| 23:44 | I read Portuguese fluently! ;-) | |
| 23:44 | chris | hehe |
| 23:44 | its just about the LEK fork eh? | |
| 23:46 | ricardo | chris: It is... It says that's an example similar to others that has an enterprise version, targeted to the corporate market, with "enriched" software ... and also has a "less evolved" version in the hands of the community. The article compares it to Fedora from Redhat, openSUSE from Novell and Zimbra from Yahoo |
| 23:47 | Let me try a real-time translation (of my own) for the next paragraph | |
| 23:47 | chris | right, i think those are false comparisons, but i guess they are similair |
| 23:47 | Redhat didnt fork the kernel | |
| 23:48 | ricardo | "The fracture between LibLime and other companies that participate in Koha's development iis served. Companies and individuals propose to keep the development by creating a foundation so that the application remains in the hands of the community like has happened in other projects like Mozilla or OpenOffice" |
| 23:49 | Where's Google Translate when you need it... Let me see if their translation is good | |
| 23:49 | chris | :) |
| 23:50 | ricardo | http://translate.google.com/tr[…]n&history_state0= |
| 23:50 | "perky for themselves"?! | |
| 23:50 | chris | hehe |
| 23:50 | ricardo | That is "developed by themselves" |
| 23:50 | chris | cool thanks |
| 23:50 | ricardo | The 2nd paragraph is perfectly translated (Google++) |
| 23:51 | 3rd paragraph is also almost perfect, as well | |
| 23:52 | 4th paragraph also perfect | |
| 23:52 | And I understand perky... The article used the world "desenvolta" instead of "desenvolvida". I bet if the article used "desenvolvida" Google Translate would also "nail that one" | |
| 23:53 | s/world/word | |
| 23:55 | chris: I also have a question for you. Are you still here? | |
| 23:55 | chris | yep |
| 23:55 | chris_n2 | it would appear that at times cpan forgets to set PERL5LIB correctly.... at least in Strawberry and with chained dep installs |
| 23:55 | of course it could have to do with the different syntax for setting env vars on win32 | |
| 23:55 | ricardo | chris: How does Koha deal if there's a PO translation for a Language but does NOT have SQL files for that language? |
| 23:56 | chris_n2: Could be | |
| 23:56 | chris | it uses the english sql instead |
| 23:56 | ricardo | chris: OK. Fair enough... What does it do? Sees if there's a directory "installer/data/mysql/pt-PT" and, if not, uses English SQL? |
| 23:56 | chris | or at least it should, they are only used during the install process |
| 23:58 | yep | |
| 23:58 | ricardo | chris: I saw that *really bad things* happen if I have some SQL files under ""installer/data/mysql/pt-PT" (for UNIMARC frameworks) but do NOT have SQL file(s) for the "systempreferences" table |
| 23:58 | chris | yes |
| 23:58 | you need to have them all or none | |
| 23:58 | ricardo | chris: right |
| 23:58 | pianohacker was already insulting me for having a destroyed Koha install ;-) | |
| 23:59 | chris | :) |
| 23:59 | ricardo | Eheh |
| 23:59 | chris | you can copy the english ones in |
| 23:59 | ricardo | chris: Right... |
| 23:59 | chris_n2 | so what's wrong with this picture: |
| 23:59 | Warning: prerequisite Data::ICal 0.13 not found. | |
| 23:59 | Warning: prerequisite Date::Calc 5.4 not found. | |
| 23:59 | pianohacker | bah, wasn't trying to insult you |
| 23:59 | chris_n2 | Warning: prerequisite Date::ICal 1.72 not found. |
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