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| 00:01 | |Lupin| | oh, and the name of CPAN's configuration file was even given in the INSTALL.debian-lenny file provided by Koha... hmm! |
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| 00:04 | pianohacker | find is one of gnu's more bass-ackwards utilities. I still haven't figured out why putting the path first is so important to it |
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| 00:13 | chris | |Lupin|: sorry to ask this, but do you think you would have time to send a patch to add that package to the file? |
| 00:13 | if not ill try to get around to it | |
| 00:23 | pianohacker | good night, all |
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| 00:25 | |Lupin| | chris: of course I can send a patch |
| 00:25 | chris: I was simply not sure it was what ppl want and it was worth doing a patch | |
| 00:28 | ah actually there is a typo in the packages file: it mentions libparam-util-perl whereas it should be libparams-util-perl | |
| 00:28 | chris | yep, real packages always trump cpan |
| 00:29 | where possible | |
| 00:29 | since that way the get updated by security patches etc | |
| 00:29 | Jo | quick question: can we import a database of items from an excel spreadsheet straight into Koha 3.2? |
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| 00:29 | chris | no |
| 00:29 | convert it to marc, and you can | |
| 00:29 | Jo | cool - thanks :) |
| 00:30 | brendan | well first Jo -- you need to stand on one foot..... |
| 00:30 | chris | you can import a spreadsheet of patrons tho |
| 00:30 | brendan | then jump in a quick little circle |
| 00:30 | hehe | |
| 00:30 | chris | if you save it to csv in the format that koha says :) |
| 00:31 | Jo: there are some tutorials about converting a spreadsheet to valid MARC using marc edit on the wiki and mailing lists | |
| 00:32 | brendan | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ha_using_marcedit |
| 00:36 | |Lupin| | chris: patch sent |
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| 00:44 | chris | cool thanks |Lupin| |
| 00:48 | is it 9 october UTC yet? | |
| 00:48 | * chris | thinks so |
| 00:48 | chris | |Lupin|: is it the 9th in france yet? :) |
| 00:48 | |Lupin| | chris: yes |
| 00:49 | chris | cool thanks |
| 00:49 | |Lupin| | chris: sorry, I'm not following regularly enough and have no beeps on hilights |
| 00:49 | chris: there are several potential issues with perl Makefile.PL | |
| 00:50 | Topic for #koha is now If you have edited the wiki please vote for the relicensing at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ow&id=relicensing | |
| 00:50 | chris | |Lupin|: wouldn't suprise me |
| 00:50 | |Lupin| | chris: first is it asks Zebra user and password, or something like that. The default values are kohauser and zebrastripes. But I seem to recall that authenticaton is turned off when connecting to the zebra server, isn't it ? |
| 00:51 | Jo | Thanks for the help everyone |
| 00:54 | brendan | :) -- ok heading home for so food -- yummy |
| 00:54 | some | |
| 00:55 | |Lupin| | bye brendan |
| 00:57 | chris | |Lupin|: i dont think so, and i hope it isnt |
| 00:57 | but i must admit i havent looked recently | |
| 00:57 | * chris | looks now |
| 00:59 | chris | nope looks to me like it tries to use them |
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| 01:01 | |Lupin| | chris: I remember having problems with that when I switched from NoZebra to Zebra on our dev machine |
| 01:01 | chris: I'll see what happens | |
| 01:01 | Jo | Great visit with Mapuia IT man and librarian. |
| 01:01 | |Lupin| | chris: Warning: prerequisite IPC::Cmd 0.46 not found. We have 0.401. |
| 01:01 | pastebot | "chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "zebra connection" (11 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/25 |
| 01:01 | |Lupin| | chris: what should be done with such messages ? |
| 01:02 | chris: Can they be ignored o is it better to install a newer version of the package through CPAN ? | |
| 01:02 | Jo | they are dead keen on Koha, and were struggling away in a void a bit. Have introduced them to irc and bugzilla and discussion list so should be all go now :) |
| 01:03 | chris | cool :) |
| 01:03 | dh-make-perl them on :) | |
| 01:04 | (for |Lupin|) | |
| 01:04 | or cpan if you dont want to do that, i think if there is a version number its important to be at least that | |
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| 01:07 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... would it be safe to take packages from more recent versions of Debian and just install them ? |
| 01:08 | chris: ok thanks, I wasn't quite sure how important this might be | |
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| 01:12 | chris | |Lupin|: yep if they are in backports that would be ideal, otherwise if they will install from a later version |
| 01:14 | |Lupin| | chris: not sure what to do with IPC::Cmd |
| 01:14 | chris: has it been introduced recently in KOha ? Seems it doesn't appear in the package file for lenny | |
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| 01:18 | chris | if its not in lenny must be recent addition to koha |
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| 01:18 | chris | as vincent danjeans packaged up all the modules for lenny |
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| 01:19 | chris | hmm |
| 01:20 | actually, safe to ignore that | |
| 01:20 | and run with the older version | |
| 01:20 | i just grepped | |
| 01:20 | its only used by the installer and about.pl | |
| 01:21 | and it works fine with the older version | |
| 01:22 | Galen Charlton 2009-08-01 12:17:18 -0400 568) 'IPC::Cmd' | |
| 01:22 | yep, newish | |
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| 01:43 | chris | hmmm |
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| 03:23 | Topic for #koha is now If you have edited the wiki please vote for the relicensing at http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ow&id=relicensing | |
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| 03:24 | thd | chris: are you there now? |
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| 03:27 | brendan | wb #koha |
| 03:29 | richard | hey your back |
| 03:29 | brendan | hey richard |
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| 03:35 | chris | yep thd |
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| 03:37 | thd | chris: Are the demo links not the strongest tie which LibLime has to koha.org? |
| 03:40 | chris | apart from the fact that they host it and are the only ones who can edit/add to it? |
| 03:41 | and that they use it to put up press about their clients goint live with LEK | |
| 03:41 | adn the pay for support page | |
| 03:41 | disregarding all that, then yeah | |
| 03:47 | thd | Do you really think that as long as they are controlling the domain and providing a Koha based system that they would agree to remove anything which helps their Koha based business? |
| 03:49 | brendan | I didn't think they did no LEK installs anymore |
| 03:49 | sorry non-LEK installs | |
| 03:51 | chris | no |
| 03:51 | i just dont want references to LEK on there | |
| 03:51 | and i have wanted that pay for support page changed for a year now | |
| 03:52 | their koha based business is fine, they can put their LEK stuff up once its released, until then, keep it off | |
| 03:52 | by slandering the developers and anyone who objected to their fork, they have used up the last of my patience | |
| 03:53 | thd | I just think that asking is liable to be ineffective and it will not promote a reasonable attitude towards favourable change from kados. |
| 03:54 | chris | asking nicely hasnt either |
| 03:54 | you can ask nicely, im done with that | |
| 03:54 | ive been trying for 2 years now | |
| 03:56 | thd | I think that Joe said it best when he said that forks tend to go away when both branches want what the other has. |
| 03:56 | chris | no |
| 03:56 | thd | no? |
| 03:56 | chris | that doesnt hold when one fork is never released |
| 03:56 | thd | under what conditions do forks go away? |
| 03:57 | chris | it doesnt matter if we want what is in their branch, we cant have it |
| 03:57 | forks go away when code is released | |
| 03:57 | because only then, can someone reconcile it | |
| 03:58 | thd | Yet if we build things which all the lek customers would find irresistible then LibLime will find them irresistible too. |
| 03:59 | chris | yes |
| 03:59 | and they will just keep taking them | |
| 03:59 | like the do now | |
| 03:59 | thd | Not if we change to AGPL 3. |
| 03:59 | chris | only if we rewrite all the code that liblime has copyright on |
| 03:59 | thd | for the irresistible features, I do not mean now. |
| 04:00 | You only have to add a modification under AGPL 3 and then the work as a whole is under AGPL 3. | |
| 04:01 | chris | yeah, they only have to rewrite the modification and its not |
| 04:01 | thd | Yes that is true. |
| 04:01 | chris | it would have to be significantly big enough to preclude that |
| 04:02 | even the fork itself doesnt worry me | |
| 04:02 | im fine with them running LEK forever | |
| 04:02 | thd | Rewriting requires work and I do not think that it is worth bothering to put insignificant features under AGPL 3. |
| 04:02 | chris | don't see why we should be advertising it on koha.org though |
| 04:03 | and i wish they would just admit the real reasons for forking, and quit with the lies | |
| 04:03 | thd | we should not be advertising LEK but LEK will likely be advertised there while LibLime controls the domain. |
| 04:03 | chris | in that case, they should not control the domain either |
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| 04:05 | chris | when you have people from the original library that spawned liblime |
| 04:05 | asking for links to a demo of Koha not LEK .. i think it behooves the community to listen | |
| 04:05 | (speaking of NPL here) | |
| 04:07 | thd | I do not disagree with the good principle of that position. |
| 04:07 | I merely think that it is not tactically the best way to go about the issue. | |
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| 04:08 | |Lupin| | hi |
| 04:08 | chris | i dont think it will work, but i think it is important for us to be publicly on record saying we arent happy with it |
| 04:08 | |Lupin| | good that #koha is back ! |
| 04:08 | chris | and i dont think any tactic will work with liblime at present |
| 04:09 | so its as good as anything else | |
| 04:09 | brendan | thd -- it seems that no matter what path -- no response is the usual outcome |
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| 04:11 | |Lupin| | chris: will it be required that the coming KOha 3.2 works on lenny ? |
| 04:14 | chris | yep, it does currently |
| 04:15 | so as long as no one breaks it in the next month or so it will :) | |
| 04:15 | |Lupin| | chris: I'm not sure it does... |
| 04:15 | * chris | has koha running on 3 lenny machines |
| 04:16 | chris | and mason about 4 more .. and im sure there are hundreds more |
| 04:16 | so im utterly sure it does | |
| 04:16 | * brendan | found lenny install easiest so far |
| 04:16 | |Lupin| | chris: commit po4:br,5 requires a Test::More which is more recent than the one provided in lenny's perl-modules package |
| 04:16 | chris | yep |
| 04:16 | you can either cpan it, or dh-make-perl it on | |
| 04:17 | doesnt stop it working on lenny | |
| 04:17 | or did you mean only work with packages that are in lenny, in which case, no that isnt a goal | |
| 04:17 | |Lupin| | chris: well it makes the Makefile.PL print warnings... |
| 04:17 | chris | yeah, just put a newer version on |
| 04:18 | you can do taht with CPAN | |
| 04:18 | or dh-make-perl | |
| 04:18 | if a module isnt in lenny, we cant get it in lenny now | |
| 04:18 | |Lupin| | chris: but won't that cause conflicts to for instance install the module through CPAN ? |
| 04:18 | chris | nope |
| 04:18 | the CPAN one will take preference | |
| 04:19 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, if that's always guaranted, that's fine |
| 04:19 | how about dh-make-perl ? | |
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| 04:19 | chris | only do that for modules that arent in lenny at all |
| 04:19 | |Lupin| | I guess for this cse it's not very wise because it won't be updated, since there is no equivalent debian package ? |
| 04:20 | chris | yeah |
| 04:20 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, I start to understand, sorry it takes so long ...:) |
| 04:20 | chris | no problem :) |
| 04:20 | im more short/grumpy than normal since my 2 sons are sick | |
| 04:20 | |Lupin| | So if the module is in lenny with a lower version: install it wih cpan. if it is not in lenny at all, install it with dh-make-perl |
| 04:20 | chris | so dont take it personally if i give short answers :-) |
| 04:21 | thats my rule of thumb anyway | |
| 04:21 | |Lupin| | chris: np ! |
| 04:21 | chris: I'm too hapy that you are here and replying to complain about how you do it ! | |
| 04:21 | chris | hehe |
| 04:22 | |Lupin| | chris: what do your sons have ? is it a serious illness ? |
| 04:22 | chris | some kind of stomach bug, not serious but messy |
| 04:24 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, hope they will feel better soon... can't do much unfortunately |
| 04:28 | chris | yeah, time to go give them baths |
| 04:28 | bbl | |
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| 04:56 | chris | i admire you persistence thd, but i think that we are wasting our time and we probably should be working to reduce any dependence on Liblime rather than pandering to it |
| 04:57 | but ive said my piece on that thread now | |
| 04:58 | thd | chiris: If you read closely I suggested just that |
| 05:00 | chris: When we have reduced our dependence on LibLime, then we should ask for things with the knowledge that we can obtain them suitably in any case if he refuses. | |
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| 05:21 | |Lupin| | goto office; |
| 05:21 | see you | |
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| 05:42 | Ropuch | Hello #koha |
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| 05:49 | chris | hi Ropuch |
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| 06:17 | chris | wb |Lupin| |
| 06:19 | * chris | goes to put the kids to bed bbiab |
| 06:25 | |Lupin| | chris: :) |
| 06:25 | a2enmod rewrite | |
| 06:26 | oooops | |
| 06:26 | Ropuch | ;> |
| 06:26 | Hi |Lupin| | |
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| 07:06 | chris | heya biblibre .. and others in france :) |
| 07:06 | |Lupin| | hi Ropuch |
| 07:08 | nicomo | hi chris hi all |
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| 07:11 | kf | morning |
| 07:11 | chris | morning kf |
| 07:12 | kf | morning chris :) |
| 07:12 | chris | kf and nicomo http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing |
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| 07:14 | |Lupin| | gutentag kf |
| 07:15 | nicomo | chris: ok, done my share |
| 07:15 | :-) | |
| 07:15 | chris | :) |
| 07:15 | kf | done |
| 07:15 | should we strike-through our name from the list after voting? | |
| 07:16 | chris | just take it out |
| 07:16 | kf | ah, sorry |
| 07:17 | chris | no worries :) |
| 07:17 | kf | jo asked for opacs for your presentation at lianza - do you want to show a picture of ours with hebrew? |
| 07:17 | chris | ohhh yeah that would be awesome |
| 07:17 | paul_p: you have edited the wiki before eh? | |
| 07:18 | paul_p | hello world. |
| 07:18 | chris: ??? | |
| 07:18 | chris | i can see hdl, but not you |
| 07:18 | kf | I will ask the librarian first, but I think there is no problem. I can sent you some good examples after that |
| 07:18 | chris | paul_p: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing |
| 07:18 | kf: that would be great :) | |
| 07:18 | paul_p | chris: i'm tipaul on the wiki. And yes, I edited it many times ! |
| 07:19 | kf | no problem, will have her on the phone today |
| 07:19 | chris | ahh there you are, right, add your vote then :) |
| 07:22 | france++ | |
| 07:22 | http://www.egovmonitor.com/node/29338 | |
| 07:24 | paul_p | well... it's hard to have NO oss system in a large company... but, yes, OSS is welcomed in french administrations |
| 07:24 | chris | its probably high in other countries, but their IT managers don't know :) |
| 07:33 | |Lupin| | pls |
| 07:33 | I checked out the master branch and did a standard install of it | |
| 07:33 | I ran the install-code script before doing the make install | |
| 07:34 | but the web interface is in english rather than in french | |
| 07:34 | any idea about what might have been forgotten ? | |
| 07:35 | chris | you need to go into system preferences |
| 07:36 | and switch it to french there | |
| 07:36 | i think | |
| 07:39 | |Lupin| | chris: no no |
| 07:39 | chris: I loaded datas from another database from a configured koha | |
| 07:40 | chris: I'm pretty sure it has more to do with the generation of messages in french | |
| 07:40 | kf | did you generate the templates? |
| 07:40 | chris | so you are sure it is set to french in the sys prefs? |
| 07:41 | and the template files exist ? | |
| 07:43 | |Lupin| | chris: I ran the install-code script |
| 07:44 | chris: yeah, just checked the syspref | |
| 07:44 | chris | yes but i would still check they are there, because they make not have been copied across with the make install |
| 07:44 | may even | |
| 07:45 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah I guess the problem comes from that |
| 07:46 | chris: any idea why the make install didn't copy them ? | |
| 07:46 | chris | i think you need to run the make first |
| 07:47 | ie install-code.pl | |
| 07:47 | then make, then make install | |
| 07:47 | |Lupin| | chris: ah ok |
| 07:47 | chris | make install copies from the blib/ directory (and other places) taht the make makes |
| 07:47 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah it seems coherent! |
| 07:48 | thanks a lot chris and kf !! | |
| 07:48 | chris | don't thank me unless it actually works :-) |
| 07:48 | kf | chris had the answer (no surprise there :) ) |
| 07:48 | |Lupin| | chris: well at that point I'm thanking for the intention and the will to help... will thank once more if it actually works :-) |
| 07:49 | chris | heh |
| 07:51 | |Lupin| | btw |
| 07:52 | there may be a little problem with the koha-zebra-ctl.sh which is installed. the ZEBRASRV variable does not include the install prefix | |
| 07:52 | it says ZEBRASRV=/zebrasrv | |
| 07:54 | kf | hm, we have a problem with sending notices: they are always sent to the library, not to the patron. all other mails (advance, due, checkin, checkout) are sent to the patron - did I miss something in configuration? |
| 07:55 | chris | this is overdue notices kf? |
| 07:55 | |Lupin| | chris kf: oops, still in english |
| 07:55 | kf | yes overdue notices |
| 07:56 | chris | |Lupin|: ah yes that does require editing currently |
| 07:56 | |Lupin|: and are the templates in the right place now? | |
| 07:56 | |Lupin| | chris: no |
| 07:57 | chris: it's strange it requires editing in that script, whereas the koha-zebraque-ctl.sh script is generated correctly... | |
| 07:57 | chris | |Lupin|: yep its a bug |
| 07:57 | kf | I normally generate the templates after make install - never tried it the other way |
| 07:58 | chris | kf: hmm, you'd think someone would have mentioned that before if it was a bug ... so im guessing a config thing, but i might be wrong |
| 07:58 | kf | its a HEAD install... so noone might have tested it yet |
| 07:59 | |Lupin| | kf: but you run Koha from sourcs, don't you ? |
| 07:59 | kf: I mean, you do a dev install ? | |
| 08:00 | kf | no |
| 08:00 | we have a standard install from git... as far as I know | |
| 08:01 | chris | kf: true, but i think some people are running from head already, ill see if i can find out |
| 08:02 | kf | chris: that would be great - library opens on monday and we need to get notices work soon. will try to investigate the code later... perhaps I get some hints for a syspref I missed or something |
| 08:04 | |Lupin| | chris: is there a way to copy the templates "manually" ? |
| 08:05 | kf | |Lupin| wait a moment, I generated de-DE in a dev install |
| 08:05 | |Lupin| | kf: ok, thanks ! |
| 08:05 | kf | and I note everything down in my wiki... :) |
| 08:06 | chris | yes |Lupin| |
| 08:06 | cp -r | |
| 08:06 | :) | |
| 08:06 | |Lupin| | chris: let's do that for the moment... :/ |
| 08:07 | chris | yeah give that a try and see if it works |
| 08:26 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah that works and I think I'll be happy with that for the moment, thanks a lot for your help ! |
| 08:28 | chris | cool |
| 08:35 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah it's great |
| 08:35 | chris: how are the children btw ? | |
| 08:37 | chris | sleeping |
| 08:38 | so hopefully on the mend, we'll find out tomorrow | |
| 08:38 | |Lupin| | chris: ok... sometimes one night can change many things... |
| 08:39 | chris | yep, sometimes the body just needs time to heal itself |
| 08:41 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah and resting is really the best one can do and is efficient |
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| 09:10 | kf | chris: hope your children get well soon |
| 09:10 | chris | thanks kf |
| 09:12 | http://twitpic.com/ksoih <-- irma presenting koha at http://open-edge.info/ | |
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| 11:00 | kmkale | @weather mumbai |
| 11:00 | munin | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (4:10 PM IST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:00 | kmkale | @weather thane |
| 11:00 | munin | kmkale: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (4:10 PM IST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 24.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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| 11:09 | magnusenger | @weather bodø, norway |
| 11:09 | munin | magnusenger: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
| 11:09 | magnusenger | @weather bodo, norway |
| 11:09 | munin | magnusenger: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 4.0�C (12:50 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 70%. Dew Point: -1.0�C. Windchill: -2.0�C. Pressure: 29.86 in 1011 hPa (Rising). |
| 11:10 | magnusenger | hm, somewhere in between would be nice... ;-) |
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| 11:29 | hdl_laptop | @weather marseille |
| 11:29 | munin | hdl_laptop: The current temperature in Marseille, France is 22.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 78%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:29 | hdl_laptop | @weather Lyon |
| 11:29 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
| 11:29 | hdl_laptop | @weather lyon |
| 11:29 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
| 11:30 | hdl_laptop | @weather Paris |
| 11:30 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: HTTP Error 500: Server Error |
| 11:33 | gmcharlt | @weather Lyon, France |
| 11:33 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in Lyon, France is 17.0�C (1:00 PM CEST on October 09, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 16.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1018 hPa (Steady). |
| 11:33 | gmcharlt | magnusenger: I think we've found your middling temperature for you - go visit hdl_laptop! ;) |
| 11:34 | hdl_laptop | Lyon is nicomo rather. |
| 11:34 | hi gmcharlt | |
| 11:35 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop |
| 11:38 | kmkale_ | or if you feel like a little tan welcome to India ;) |
| 11:39 | hdl_laptop | But you would be welcome magnusenger if you come to Montpellier |
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| 11:48 | magnusenger | thanks gmcharlt and hdl_laptop, I think the urge will only grow stronger as we approach the winter solstice, so don't feel too safe! ;-) |
| 11:49 | * hdl_laptop | doesnot feel magnusenger as a threat ;) |
| 11:49 | magnusenger | muahaha! |
| 11:50 | hdl_laptop | wine is very good here. |
| 11:51 | magnusenger | i'm not too much of a wine-person, though... |
| 11:52 | we had one last night that was good: Clos des Vents, Cotes du Roussillon. Any Kohas in that vicinity? ;-) | |
| 11:52 | hdl_laptop | I live in Roussillon : it is the area of Montpellier ;) |
| 11:54 | magnusenger | a ha! Nice! |
| 11:54 | I know way too little about France... :-( | |
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| 12:11 | Ropuch | I'm looking for a Koha library with some considerable tag cloud |
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| 12:12 | Ropuch | My girlfriend is writing an essay about how 2.0 technologies can be and are used by libraries |
| 12:13 | And I want to provide her with Koha example ;> | |
| 12:15 | Nate | good morning everyone! |
| 12:16 | Amit | hi nate |
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| 12:21 | Ropuch | Hello Amit, Nate, jdavidb |
| 12:21 | jdavidb | Hi, Ropuch. :) |
| 12:22 | Amit | hi jdavidab |
| 12:22 | hi ropuch | |
| 12:22 | Ropuch | maybe you know about library with decent number of tags? I need sample of Koha tag cloud |
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| 12:26 | kf | hi jdavidb and Ropuch |
| 12:26 | Ropuch | Hi kf |
| 12:26 | jdavidb | Hi, kf! :D |
| 12:27 | kf | :) |
| 12:27 | jwagner | No, but I have a question on tags, if anyone's familiar with the setup. Following directions on the manual site, I tried running the script as build_browser_and_cloud.pl -f 676a -t 606 -c -b -- works fine on one system, won't work on another (tags aren't linked to any records). Ideas? Do I have the setup wrong? |
| 12:27 | And good morning everyone. Happy Friday. | |
| 12:30 | kf | good morning jwagner |
| 12:30 | I think build_browser_and_cloud is a different feature | |
| 12:31 | jwagner | Hmmm. On the first system, the tags wouldn't link to anything until I ran it. Then they linked fine. |
| 12:32 | kf | hm ok, perhaps Im wrong, cant test as we have tags deactivated now :( but I thought it worked without using any cronjob |
| 12:33 | and that there is a "french" feature, that also includes some kind of cloud | |
| 12:34 | kmkale_ | bye all |
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| 12:35 | jwagner | Going back to the manual site, the build_browser_and_cloud references aren't matching up to anything about tags, but I know I found a write up somewhere because I went looking for how to activate the tags & found the syntax. Much puzzled now. |
| 12:35 | kf | jwagner: I think your cronjob is linked to the opacbrowser syspref, while taggging works without cronjob |
| 12:36 | give me a minute, I will activate tagging in our test system | |
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| 12:36 | kf | hm should work without cron job |
| 12:37 | TagsEnabled to on | |
| 12:37 | TagsInputOnDetail on | |
| 12:37 | added tag to title, | |
| 12:38 | went to Tag Cloud - tag was shown and linked correctly back to my title | |
| 12:38 | I think the opacbrowser feature uses the classification somehow, but never saw it working | |
| 12:39 | jwagner | I think I figured it out -- someone had turned on tag moderation on the second system, so naturally all the test tags I entered weren't working. Sigh. Still don't know where I found that script reference. Maybe I'm just losing my mind :-) |
| 12:41 | jdavidb | jwagner: Loss of mind is no particular handicap, in this community, and may well help, in some situations. |
| 12:41 | jwagner | Harrumph. |
| 12:42 | * jdavidb | lost his a long time ago, and no one noticed. |
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| 12:44 | kf | :D |
| 12:45 | Amit | hi galen, kf, jwagner |
| 12:45 | kf | I think you are in good company, not sure if I m still sane, just working down my todo list... and trying not to think about its length |
| 12:45 | hi Amit | |
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| 12:48 | jdavidb | kf: Me too. This is supposed to be a holiday weekend here in the US, and PTFS normally takes that holiday...but I'll probably spend part of it on some of my to-do list.. |
| 12:48 | jwagner | Holiday? We don't need no steenkin' holidays!!!! |
| 12:49 | kf | yeah! |
| 12:50 | jdavidb | :P Speak for yerself! Despite being "out sick" for most of three days, I'm not behind on hours for the pay-period. |
| 12:51 | jwagner | But you note how cleverly I've moved so many things from my to-do list to your to-do list :-) |
| 12:52 | jdavidb | Yes, I do. You're a clever lady, like that. Be advised that I only allow that sort of thing from people I like. For others, I'm Teflon John, and the task will get handed off to someone else. ;-) |
| 12:52 | jwagner | It's OK. While I'm busy shifting things over to you, other people are busy shifting things over to me. What Goes Around Comes Around. |
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| 14:13 | owen | Alright munin, lay it on me. |
| 14:13 | Cool, thanx buddy. | |
| 14:24 | jwagner | Good morning, owen. |
| 14:24 | owen | Hi jwagner and anyone else awake at an hour that may or may not be decent depending on your time zone and inclination. |
| 14:25 | jwagner | On the OPAC sort by branch question, if I remember right, you said that just putting the item column second & making location first was enough to get it sorting in branch order, correct? I've done that change and it seems to work, just want to be sure I'm not missing something else. |
| 14:25 | Nate | hi owen! |
| 14:25 | jwagner | (And mornings are never "a decent hour"!) |
| 14:26 | owen | jwagner: The configuration of the javascript sorter tells it to sort by default on the first column, so if you've physically moved the location column to the first slot it should sort that by default |
| 14:27 | jwagner | OK, good. By request of my site I've also done a change in Items.pm that makes staff client sort by branch _description_ (not code) first, then the original sort on accession date. Would that be of interest too? |
| 14:30 | owen | I think that's a good logical choice for the default, so you've got my vote. |
| 14:33 | jwagner | Did you have a bugzilla entry on this yet? I can format both my changes as a single patch if people want them -- I need them for one of my sites right now anyway. |
| 14:33 | owen | I don't want to physically modify the order of the columns in the OPAC, I prefer to change the configuration of the table sorter |
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| 14:38 | owen | Hmmm... My label example images are going to be a i18n problem... |
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| 14:39 | A | hi chris |
| 14:39 | how can i register a nickname or a channel | |
| 14:39 | owen | A, you don't need to register your nick to participate |
| 14:39 | A | so |
| 14:40 | there is no registration | |
| 14:40 | jwagner | owen, OK, I won't do a patch yet. Let me know if you want the Items.pm code -- got a little complicated because I had to join to branch table to get the description. |
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| 14:41 | owen | jwagner: I'd so go ahead and create an enhancement bug for your Items.pm change and submit your patch just for that. I think that's quite worthwhile. |
| 14:41 | jwagner | OK, will do in a bit. |
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| 15:08 | jwagner | owen, Bug 3702 & patch sent. |
| 15:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3702 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagner ptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Change sort order of items in staff title display |
| 15:09 | owen | Thanks jwagner, I appreciate your efforts! |
| 15:10 | jwagner | Not a problem. One trick we learned, when a system wants a particular library to show first in the list (main lib vs branches) but it's not first alphabetically -- start its branch description with an asterisk, like *Main Branch. That will sort before Branchname 1, etc. |
| 15:14 | * owen | has jumped through many a hoop to make sure his system's main branch comes at the top of lists |
| 15:15 | owen | Librarians of all people should think of such things before naming their libraries! |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | jwagner: brilliant simple solution |
| 15:15 | our big thing is | |
| 15:15 | we want the logged in branch to be the selected branch in every case | |
| 15:16 | since there is no "main" branch | |
| 15:16 | in our system | |
| 15:16 | owen | So you want holdings from the logged in branch to always be first in the list, then alphabetical by other libraries? |
| 15:18 | paul_p2 | that would please a lot of libraries I think... |
| 15:18 | (in opac as well as in staff...) | |
| 15:18 | wizzyrea | yep |
| 15:19 | * owen | wants to smack the principal of his daughter's school for sending emails which consist of PDF attachments containing plain text |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | oh srsly, that is silly |
| 15:19 | owen re: pdf's of plain text | |
| 15:19 | I think chris was working on that in the holdings table | |
| 15:19 | * owen | thinks he must compose them and give them to his secretary to email for him |
| 15:19 | wizzyrea | but like, in add patrons |
| 15:20 | in add item | |
| 15:20 | paul_p2 | (at least it's not a .doc one of my son school sended .doc with " meeting for classroom xxx on xx/xx/xxxx, witht the teache" |
| 15:20 | ) | |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | pretty much, anywhere it would make sense to favor the logged in branch, it would be cool to organize like that |
| 15:22 | logged in first, then alphabetical (or acq date, in the case of holdings) | |
| 15:22 | or in the case of a dropdown just select logged in branch from the list | |
| 15:23 | would definitely help our libraries Winchester and Williamsburg | |
| 15:23 | it's a lot of scrolling for them | |
| 15:23 | owen | Hey, at least they *know* they're at the end. What about the K's and the M's? |
| 15:24 | wizzyrea | truth |
| 15:24 | Ottawa would probably appreciate it too | |
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| 15:42 | jwagner | owen and wizzyrea, sorry, was off in a quick meeting. I've had requests also to always make one branch the first in line for creating etc. In this case, they always want the main, but having it by the logged in user's library makes more sense to me. |
| 15:50 | wizzyrea | speaking of that... how do you guys handle staff users? |
| 15:50 | we have 3 accounts per library with varying perms | |
| 15:51 | example: Nekls_Circ, circulate, place holds, no real special perms beyond that | |
| 15:51 | nekls_tech, cataloguing, circ, holds | |
| 15:51 | nekls_director, all of those, plus reports | |
| 15:52 | jwagner | Varies by site preference & also how specific they want to get with granular permissions. |
| 15:52 | wizzyrea | do you guys do actual staff member accounts, like, my individual account would also be my library user account |
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| 15:52 | wizzyrea | er, staff user account |
| 15:52 | so lrea could circ items, for example | |
| 15:52 | owen | wizzyrea: We only do that for people who are doing very specific tasks, like cataloging |
| 15:53 | Otherwise we have a general "staff" login for general use. | |
| 15:53 | jwagner | Again, varies. Some sites want to keep their personal-use accounts separate from their library staff accounts. |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | k. I have been wondering about that for a while |
| 15:53 | you probably change the passwords with staff turnover? | |
| 15:53 | or no? | |
| 15:53 | owen | There's too much movement around the circ desk, for instance, to have people logging in as themselves. |
| 15:53 | wizzyrea | yea, that was kind of what we thought |
| 15:53 | owen | And yes, wizzyrea, we change passwords as the staff changes |
| 15:54 | Luckily we're a fairly small operation and it doesn't happen too often. | |
| 15:54 | wizzyrea | so you're not too worried about circulation accountability |
| 15:54 | (neither are we) | |
| 15:54 | that's really the only reason I could think of to do it with individual accounts | |
| 15:54 | instead of a blanket account | |
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| 15:55 | owen | wizzyrea: There are times I wish we had more accountability, but the disadvantages outweigh the benefits |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | owen: I'm glad that I'm not alone in coming to that conclusion |
| 15:59 | brendan | morning #koha |
| 15:59 | wizzyrea | mornin brendan |
| 15:59 | brendan | heya wizzyrea |
| 15:59 | how goes the grasslands | |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | Amber waves of grain :) |
| 16:00 | * brendan | just reading through all the messages on the mailing list from this morning |
| 16:00 | wizzyrea | oh I know... |
| 16:00 | it's just... wowie | |
| 16:00 | brendan | good points - but always seems that we are having a conversation with a deaf person |
| 16:00 | who can't read lips | |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | yes. it's a black hole of info in more than one way |
| 16:01 | owen is taking them to the mat ;) | |
| 16:01 | * owen | has been feeling like stirring up trouble |
| 16:01 | wizzyrea | hehe I can tell |
| 16:02 | hey, someone has to | |
| 16:02 | and you have the support of your superiors to do so, I imagien | |
| 16:02 | imagine* | |
| 16:02 | brendan: did california finally stop burning? | |
| 16:03 | brendan | yup no burning at this moment in time |
| 16:03 | but it's very brown/yellowish outside | |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | whew that must be a relief |
| 16:03 | brendan | the grass that is |
| 16:03 | wizzyrea | eww |
| 16:03 | ohhh | |
| 16:03 | funny story, it's green like springtime in kansas | |
| 16:04 | we had a strange summer | |
| 16:04 | brendan | yeah we haven't had rain in a long time |
| 16:04 | and we don't get rain until February | |
| 16:04 | then we get three weeks and that's it | |
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| 16:08 | kf | owen: I think chris sent a patch for bug 3559 |
| 16:08 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on |
| 16:09 | owen | Yes, and it seems to be working fine now. I hope you don't mind that I marked it as fixed |
| 16:09 | kf | I have still the problem here |
| 16:09 | you have xslt on? | |
| 16:10 | owen | Yes |
| 16:10 | kf | hm strange |
| 16:10 | I thought it was not pushed yet, will try again on my dev install laptop :) | |
| 16:10 | nope, only working on result list for me | |
| 16:11 | owen | I wonder what could be the difference between our systems? Could it be an issue with the data? |
| 16:15 | kf | I will check it on my dev install at home again, perhaps it is our data... but its strange. |
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| 16:20 | owen | Hi CGI825 |
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| 16:32 | owen | jwagner: Can you attach screenshots to Bug 3703 demonstrating the proposed change? |
| 16:32 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3703 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagnerptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Move OPAC login line to below custom header |
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| 16:57 | kf | bye #koha |
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| 17:54 | chris | morning |
| 17:55 | brendan | morning |
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| 17:57 | jwagner | owen, see screenshot on Bug 3703 |
| 17:57 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3703 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, jwagnerptfs.com, ASSIGNED, Move OPAC login line to below custom header |
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| 18:10 | chris | right, caught up on mail |
| 18:13 | * owen | likes a good mail day |
| 18:21 | rhcl | how does koha use Pazpar2? |
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| 18:32 | cait_laptop | good evening :) |
| 18:32 | owen | The latest evidence in the Mysterious Case of the Unknown Yellow Box! |
| 18:32 | "In our case IMPOSSIBLE was set with USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE" | |
| 18:33 | Does that string not exist in Koha or is my grepping faulty? | |
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| 18:38 | brendan | nice just got this email (here's the subject)--> Business Insights: See how Windows 7 can make you more productive |
| 18:47 | chris | heh |
| 18:47 | looking now owen | |
| 18:50 | so did anyone understand the point ben was trying to make when he posted those libwebcat links? | |
| 18:50 | cait_laptop | hi chris |
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| 18:50 | cait_laptop | did you get my email? |
| 18:50 | chris | yes thank you :) |
| 18:51 | cait_laptop | ok, hope it helps |
| 18:52 | chris | owen: cant find that string |
| 18:53 | rhcl: at the moment it uses it only for trying to do some frbr | |
| 18:53 | jwagner | owen, I don't find it either. |
| 18:54 | chris | rhcl: but i want to expand it so that koha can use it to search multiple sources (not just its local zebra db) |
| 18:57 | owen | Where are "Fine days" configured? |
| 19:00 | cait_laptop | circ matrix |
| 19:01 | owen | Circulation and fines rules? I don't see it. |
| 19:02 | chris | i wonder if its a LEKism |
| 19:02 | cait_laptop | no, its there |
| 19:02 | chris | USERBLOCKEDOVERDUE that is |
| 19:02 | cait_laptop | ah, sorry chris |
| 19:03 | chris | hmmm actually i remember biblibre talking about this |
| 19:03 | cait_laptop | owen: give me a minute, I know I saw it there |
| 19:03 | chris | how some libraries dont do fines |
| 19:03 | cait_laptop | fine days is biblibre, nahuel I think |
| 19:03 | chris | but instead stop a user being able to issue for a set period of days |
| 19:04 | right, i think it will be in 3.0.x then | |
| 19:04 | not master | |
| 19:04 | im not sure it has been ported for 3.2 | |
| 19:04 | cait_laptop | owen: you are right, its not there, but I think its in 3.0.2 |
| 19:05 | we had 3.0.2 before switching to HEAD, perhaps this is because I remember it | |
| 19:05 | chris | yeah |
| 19:05 | i think its a feature that hasnt been put in master | |
| 19:05 | cait_laptop | nahuel called me sadistic because we charge fines :P |
| 19:05 | I remember that very clearly ;) | |
| 19:05 | chris | yes indeed, its 3.0.x |
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| 19:06 | jdavidb | It's more masochistic than sadistic. How much work do libraries go to, to collect dimes? One of the libraries in our consortium where I used to work figured out that they didn't take in enough money to pay the salary for the person who spent *much* time doing that. So they quit doing it. |
| 19:06 | Got her working on something more useful. | |
| 19:07 | chris | so owen if you want to replicate you will need a 3.0.x checkout running |
| 19:07 | cait_laptop | I dont know, but I found it interesting that libraries that sent advance notices dont get less fines |
| 19:07 | than those who do not | |
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| 19:23 | pianohackr|work | there, voted. hi, everyone |
| 19:29 | cait_laptop | hi pianohacker |
| 19:36 | pianohackr|work | hi cait |
| 19:36 | how's translation going? | |
| 19:38 | cait_laptop | never finished |
| 19:39 | but I think its getting better and better :) hows work? | |
| 19:39 | pianohackr|work | good, putting out a few minor fires |
| 19:47 | cait_laptop | owen: just checked bug 3559 on my laptop - works here, seems there is something wrong with our install at work. |
| 19:47 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, RESOLVED FIXED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on |
| 20:04 | chris | pianohackr|work: the more i think about your yaml solution for translation the more i like it |
| 20:05 | cait_laptop: good, cos i had no idea how to fix it if was still broken :) | |
| 20:06 | cait_laptop | chris: working on my next bug report right now ;) |
| 20:12 | chris | cait_laptop: in that case here you go, http://translate.koha.org/de/opac3_1/ |
| 20:12 | the xlst is now translatable for 3.2 also :) | |
| 20:12 | cait_laptop | ah.... thx *sigh* ;) |
| 20:13 | chris | hehe |
| 20:14 | cait_laptop | chris: will work on it on tuesday, need our documentation for right MARC21 translation |
| 20:15 | can someone confirm that combined search in authorities (from cataloging) leads to an error 500 page? | |
| 20:15 | chris | no hurry cait_laptop |
| 20:15 | im just using some spare time to update the .po files | |
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| 20:23 | pianohackr|work | chris: nice! |
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| 20:38 | owen | Hi nengard |
| 20:38 | nengard | howdy owen |
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| 20:51 | pianohackr|work | hi nengard |
| 20:51 | also owen | |
| 20:52 | nengard | hiya |
| 20:53 | pianohackr|work | nengard, owen: actually, since you've both dealt with sysprefs in the past, what do you think of this: http://paste.workbuffer.org/24 |
| 20:54 | nengard | not sure what i'm looking at - multi-tasking listening to a talk and looking at your page ... what are you asking? |
| 20:55 | pianohackr|work | nengard: just a slight change to the way sysprefs are added to the new editor, was curious what you thought of the format |
| 20:57 | nengard | hmmm - so if i want to add a new system preferene I do it via a web interface? |
| 20:59 | owen | pianohackr|work: You're referring to the prefixes for translatability? |
| 20:59 | * owen | isn't bothered by it |
| 20:59 | pianohackr|work | nengard: not exactly, you add some information to a file |
| 20:59 | owen: good, thanks | |
| 20:59 | owen | So there's no web based method for adding/editing prefs? |
| 21:01 | pianohackr|work | editing pref values obviously yes. editing descriptions and adding new ones, no. it would require write access to the files involved |
| 21:01 | as the descriptions are no longer stored in the db | |
| 21:04 | nengard | I think this is okay - but it has to be made perfectly clear (comments or some other way) that we need to remember to put that _ before prefs |
| 21:04 | In most case I'll forget :) | |
| 21:04 | pianohackr|work | right. another thing for the rm to look for :) |
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| 21:31 | cait_laptop | time for sleeping - good night :) |
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| 22:05 | chris | oh i didnt know about west liberty |
| 22:07 | learn something knew everyday | |
| 22:07 | pianohackr|work: the TM could look for things like that | |
| 22:07 | to help the RM out | |
| 22:08 | pianohackr|work | chris: yeah |
| 22:09 | chris | wow III just spammed me |
| 22:10 | pianohackr|work | dare I ask what about? |
| 22:10 | chris | lianza (nz version of ALA) conference starts on monday |
| 22:11 | seems that the email addresses people registered with, were handed/sold to vendors | |
| 22:11 | ive been getting one or 2 spam every day or so | |
| 22:11 | tis fairly lame | |
| 22:11 | "We'll be demonstrating the newest version of Encore Discovery, as well as delving into our digital library solution, Content Pro and our federated search product, Research Pro. Of course we'll also be sharing the latest | |
| 22:11 | and greaest about Millennium, alnong with a range of other products that can benefit your library" | |
| 22:12 | i think ill go stand by their stand wearing my "Free your mind and your data will follow" tshirt | |
| 22:12 | (big koha logo on the back) | |
| 22:13 | pianohackr|work | every good demo needs a heckler |
| 22:13 | chris | :) |
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| 22:20 | chris_n2 | grrr |
| 22:21 | chris | sup chris_n2 ? |
| 22:21 | * chris_n2 | thinks we need to go ahead and put things to a vote and get on with it... :-) |
| 22:21 | chris | ah yeah |
| 22:23 | i fear the majority will be new foundation again, and then talk about it for 3 more years | |
| 22:24 | chris_n2 | the more we delay the more we lend ourselves to looking disorganized, playing into LL's "scheme" to make the community look unprofessional and backward |
| 22:24 | chris | yep |
| 22:25 | pianohackr|work | I can volunteer for the "come on come on come _on_" team (I help get my parents places on time, so I have experience :) |
| 22:26 | chris | :) |
| 22:26 | chris_n2 | lol |
| 22:26 | chris | i really dont think forming a foundation now is an option, its not something you can rush |
| 22:26 | however joining an existing organisation | |
| 22:26 | chris_n2 | HLT++ |
| 22:26 | and now if not sooner | |
| 22:26 | chris | with guarantees everything can leave, buys time to do the foundation properly |
| 22:27 | pianohackr|work | indeed; we need to really push the benefits of hlt on the list |
| 22:28 | if jo herself could send an email to the list to that effect, that might help | |
| 22:29 | chris | yep |
| 22:29 | chris_n2 | I've responded to thd's post |
| 22:30 | perhaps the rest of us should as well | |
| 22:30 | chris | i fear that people are sick of hearing my voice |
| 22:30 | i just wish some of the other libraries werent apparently so scared of liblime | |
| 22:30 | chris_n2 | owen is surely not |
| 22:31 | chris | im glad to see west liberty and ccfls arent too |
| 22:31 | chris_n2 | chris: keep speaking regardless of how sick others get |
| 22:32 | chris | ill try and do a reply later today |
| 22:33 | chris_n2 | gotta run... and that's probably good as I'm way too focused on the issue to do much more good for it today :-P |
| 22:33 | chris_n2 is now known as chris_n2-away | |
| 22:34 | chris | :) |
| 22:34 | spotya later | |
| 22:40 | ok off to build a tower with kahurangi, be back later | |
| 22:41 | pianohackr|work | see ya, have fun |
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| 23:16 | pianohackr|work | bbl |
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