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Sleep time. Take care everyone! :) |
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Amit |
hi chris, Jo |
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good morning #koha |
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pianohacker |
Hi Amit |
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Amit |
hi pianohacker |
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@wunder New Delhi |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 22.0�C (6:00 AM IST on October 07, 2009). Conditions: Fog. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 22.0�C. Pressure: 29.68 in 1005 hPa (Rising). |
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Amit |
@wunder Dehradun, india |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 20.0�C (5:30 AM IST on October 07, 2009). Conditions: Mist. Humidity: 98%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.63 in 1003 hPa. |
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Amit |
@wunder bangalore, india |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in Bangalore, India is 20.0�C (5:30 AM IST on October 07, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. |
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* pianohacker |
shakes fist at chris - massive merge, with the latest .po updates |
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pianohacker |
good night, all |
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Amit |
heya nicomo |
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nicomo |
hi Amit |
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hdl_laptop |
hi |
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chris howdy ? |
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Ropuch |
Morning, #koha |
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kf |
good morning |
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Amit |
heya kf |
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Ropuch |
Hi kf, Amit |
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Amit |
heya ropuch |
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kf |
hi Amit, Ropuch and nahuel |
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nahuel |
Hi |
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Amit |
heya nahuel, magusenger |
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hdl_laptop |
hi Amit |
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Amit |
hi hdl_laptop |
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munin` |
Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 30.0�C (11:30 AM IST on October 07, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 55%. Dew Point: 20.0�C. Pressure: 29.71 in 1006 hPa (Steady). |
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kf |
@wunder Konstanz |
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munin` |
kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 12.9�C (8:47 AM CEST on October 07, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 96%. Dew Point: 12.0�C. Pressure: 30.06 in 1017.8 hPa (Steady). |
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Jo |
Just had the coolest visit with Richard Stallman |
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good lecture followed by lovely shared meal and discussion around the library staffroom coffee table |
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Koha meeting in 3 hours |
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chris |
yep, was a good visit |
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"Koha, that's good software" - RMS .. that's something we can all be proud of |
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nahuel |
chris, !!! |
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hi ! |
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chris |
that's what he said when brenda introduced me to him |
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hi nahuel :) |
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kf |
hi chris and jo |
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nahuel |
hehe, was he sincere ? |
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chris |
yep |
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was pretty neat |
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paul_p |
nahuel: rms was in the jury that gave Koha an award at Trophée du Libre, in 2003 |
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so, he knows what is Koha, for sure ! |
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nahuel |
Ah ok |
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didn't know |
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paul_p |
(the trophy is at our office ;-) ) |
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owen++ (once again, for it's blog about customizing koha...) |
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kf |
yes, owen++ - this was again something my library asked for :) |
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slef |
chris: horrified by some, reassured by others |
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chris: to be frank, terrible LMSes are more common problem for me using library websites than CAPTCHAs at the moment. |
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chris |
yep |
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it was more the "harden up and get over it" attitude |
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slef |
In general, IT has too many followers of Ayn Rand for my taste. |
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chris |
yep |
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chris |
hi jransom |
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Amit |
hi slef, jransom |
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jransom |
hi all |
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slef |
1h10 to meeting? |
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chris |
yep |
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paul_p |
chris: don't you ever sleep ? |
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chris |
its only 10pm |
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paul_p |
oups, right. I made a mistake (with US waking up early for the meeting) |
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chris |
yep, i had the early one last time :) |
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|Lupin| |
hello, everybody |
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Amit |
hi lupin |
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40 min to meeting? |
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Joann |
yep |
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|Lupin| |
hi amit |
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kf |
guten morgen |Lupin| :) |
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Amit |
kf: guten morgen meaning |
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Joann |
good morning |
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Amit |
aah! |
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Joann |
morena (in Maori) |
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slef |
bonan matenon |
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Joann |
in what language? |
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Amit |
Joaan: is french |
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slef |
esperanto |
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bonne matin (in French) |
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I think |
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damnit, I so rarely write French at the moment |
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biab |
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kf |
Amit: sorry, I didnt see your question, but Joann is right, its German for good morning |
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paul_p |
slef: true. it's "bon matin" ;-) |
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hdl_laptop |
in fact we say bon jour |
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Bon matin is direct translation |
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gmcharlt |
good morning |
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hdl_laptop |
hi gmcharlt |
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|Lupin| |
stack underflow:tags stack is empty |
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is anybody familiar with this message found in Koha logs ? |
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hi galen |
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Joann |
when chris comes back make sure you ask him what Richard Stallman said to him about Koha today :) |
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ricardo |
hdl_laptop: Bonjour! :) It's correct to say it as one word also, right? |
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|Lupin| |
ricardo: definitely |
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ricardo: it's never written in two words I'd say |
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ricardo |
|Lupin|: Thanks |
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chris |
hdl_laptop: we say ata marie ... morena is a direct translation |
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Amit |
hi galen, ricardo |
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hdl_laptop |
|Lupin|: |
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yes |
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chris |
transliteration even |
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ricardo |
(I only studied French in High School, during 5 years. And that was over 15 years ago. So saying that I'm rusty in French would be an understatement...) |
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Joann |
we say talofa lava in our family |
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hdl_laptop |
you have a problem with TMPL unclosed |
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Joann |
not sure if its samoan for hello or goodmorning |
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hdl_laptop |
or a closing TMPL which closes nothing |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: yes to what ? the question about the message, or the bonjour ? |
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Joann |
(samoan inlaws) |
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chris |
Joann: its hello |
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hdl_laptop |
|Lupin|: yes to question ;) |
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chris |
malo e lelei in tongan |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: ok. but the produced document is a valid html one, validated by the W3C validator. |
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Joann |
chris: thank you |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: so how can I check where the error comes from ? |
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Amit |
now 15 min to meeting |
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ricardo |
|Lupin|: That's probably because the TMPL tags are HTML comments, if I remember correctly. The W3C validator will ignore those |
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hdl_laptop |
look at templates. and try to match any TMPL_IF with /TMPL_IF |
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chris |
Joann: tofa soifua is goodbye in samoan |
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hdl_laptop |
and any TMPL_LOOP with /TMPL_LOOP |
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chris |
and faafetai is thanks |
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thats about the limit of my knowledge |
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hdl_laptop |
(It is hard when you see, can't imagine how hard it is when you are blind) |
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Joann |
its pretty impressive :) |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: yeah I'm precisely developing a template. But isn't there a tool that coudl help ? it's a tough job to re-read the whole template... |
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hdl_laptop: ah ok, it's hard... |
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hdl_laptop |
(well, not hard, but really trouble maker) |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: isn't there a way to debug templates, or so ? :) |
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chris |
Joann: rugby :) |
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brendan |
morning #koha |
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ricardo |
Morning brendan! |
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Joann |
boxing ! |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: does the fact that the produced document is valid prove that the problem necessarily is at the TMPL level ? |
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hdl_laptop |
No |
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It is your Log message which proves that |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: you said the message proves there is either an htl problem, or a tmpl problem... no ? |
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hdl_laptop |
you have a problem with TMPL unclosed or a closing TMPL which closes nothing |
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Can't see any html ;) |
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|Lupin| |
hdl_laptop: oops, misread / misunderstood, sorry |
| 09:54 |
gmcharlt |
@later tell pianohacker go ahead and send the syspref pull request if you haven't already |
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munin` |
gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
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owen |
I'm just stopping in to make my apologies |
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ricardo |
owen: You're excused... Now, what did you do wrong... this time? ;-) |
| 09:58 |
gmcharlt |
owen: you got up early for that? ;) |
| 09:58 |
owen |
gmcharlt: No, and that's why I can't make the meeting. I got up early to get the kids up and ready for school :) |
| 09:58 |
brendan |
owen++ |
| 09:58 |
gmcharlt |
let'em teach themselves today ;) |
| 09:59 |
ricardo |
owen: "Hey Owen! Leave the kids alone!" ... with apologies to "Pink Floyd" ;-) |
| 09:59 |
owen |
If they were older I could tell their teachers they're staying home to sit in on an important example of 21st-century community interaction |
| 10:00 |
Ropuch |
;> |
| 10:00 |
gmcharlt |
ok, we're approaching that time |
| 10:00 |
ricardo |
gmcharlt: *nod* |
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gmcharlt |
to all, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, and good night |
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welcome to today's general Koha IRC meeting |
| 10:01 |
ricardo |
Good attendance for this time of very-early-morning for "you" (people in the US)... I don't know what time is in New Zealand now, but I wouldn't mind pushing this meeting an hour later or so, so it's NOT that early in the US |
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(shutting up now) |
| 10:01 |
gmcharlt |
the wiki page for this is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09oct07 |
| 10:02 |
|Lupin| |
not participating to the meeting, bye everybody ! |
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owen is now known as owen-away |
| 10:02 |
gmcharlt |
the agenda is |
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Joann |
11pm here in NZ |
| 10:02 |
gmcharlt |
1. |
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Update on Roadmap to 3.2 |
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2. |
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Update on Koha 3.0 Roadmap |
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3. |
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gmcharlt |
Review Wiki Relicensing Ballot |
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4. |
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Follow-up on actions from General IRC Meeting 2 September 2009 |
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1. |
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Koha Tutorials |
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paul_p |
hi everybody |
| 10:02 |
gmcharlt |
2. |
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Bugzilla default assignees and maintenance |
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gmcharlt |
3. |
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Mysql Schema Documentation |
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5. |
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Follow-up on actions from Foundation-forming Meeting, 15 September 2009 |
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1. |
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Comparison chart of associations and foundations |
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2. |
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Vote for Foundation Options (pt 1) |
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6. |
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Agree times of next meetings: Foundation-forming 19 UTC 28 October 2009; General 19 UTC 4 November 2009 |
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(oops, sorry about that bad paste) |
| 10:02 |
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let's get started with intros |
| 10:02 |
* gmcharlt |
= Galen Charlton, release manager, Equinox |
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* slef |
= MJ Ray, member, software.coop |
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* nengard |
Nicole Engard, Doc Manager, ByWater/BibLibre |
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jwagner |
Jane Wagner, PTFS |
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* kf |
= Katrin Fischer, BSZ Konstanz, Germany |
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* Ropuch |
= Piotr Wejman, CSNE Library, Poland |
| 10:03 |
chris |
chris = Chris Cormack, Translation Manager, Catalyst |
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vickiteal |
Vicki Teal Lovely, SCLS, Madison WI |
| 10:03 |
Amit |
Amit Gupta, Nucsoft Osslabs |
| 10:03 |
brendan |
Brendan Gallagher, ByWater Solutions |
| 10:03 |
paul_p |
Paul P. BibLibre owner |
| 10:03 |
* sekjal |
= Ian Walls, NYU Health Sciences Libraries |
| 10:03 |
magnusenger |
Magnus Enger, Libriotech, Norway |
| 10:03 |
Nate |
Nate Curulla ByWater Solutions |
| 10:03 |
Joann |
Joann Ransom, Horowhenua Library Trust, NZ |
| 10:03 |
hdl_laptop |
Henri-Damien LAURENT BibLibre owner |
| 10:03 |
Colin |
Colin Campbell - PTFS-Europe |
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kmkale |
Koustubha Kale, Anant Corporation, Granthalaya.org |
| 10:04 |
reed |
Reed Wade, Catalyst, NZ |
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ricardo |
ricardo = Ricardo Dias Marques, author of installation guide of Koha in openSUSE and contributor/approver to Portuguese translation, Portugal |
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thd |
Thomas Dukleth, Agogme, New York City |
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gmcharlt |
ok, cool |
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slef: before we get started, are you willing to do the wiki updates? |
| 10:05 |
slef |
gmcharlt: yes, I can |
| 10:05 |
gmcharlt |
thanks |
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thd |
which wiki updates? |
| 10:06 |
slef |
thd: notes/actions and transcript I think |
| 10:06 |
gmcharlt |
yes |
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so for first agenda item, 3.2 |
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as I'm sure it's been obvious, september has not been a good month for me, workload wise |
| 10:07 |
slef |
amen! |
| 10:07 |
gmcharlt |
however, the dust is settling, and I'll be pulling together an alpha release before the 4 November 2009 meeting come hell or high water |
| 10:08 |
chris |
sweet |
| 10:08 |
gmcharlt |
beyond, that, I don't have much to say unless people would like to talk a bit about what they've been up to, coding-wise |
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(not much more to say than extneding my apologies, of course) |
| 10:08 |
hdl_laptop |
We have made a branch over master |
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gathering all our work. |
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And even our work in progress |
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You can see that in git.biblibre.com |
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gmcharlt |
BibLibre++ |
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hdl_laptop |
results can also be tested on biblibre_head.git.biblibre. |
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com |
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and catalogue.biblibre_head.git.biblibre.com |
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paul_p |
( http://biblibre_head.git.biblibre.com ) |
| 10:10 |
nahuel |
hi |
| 10:10 |
hdl_laptop |
many things improved. |
| 10:10 |
nahuel |
:) |
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hdl_laptop |
newacq is integrated on that branch |
| 10:10 |
paul_p |
hdl_laptop: login/password ? |
| 10:10 |
davi |
hi |
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hdl_laptop |
will create one |
| 10:10 |
andy |
oopse, hi ... (Andy Chilton, Catalyst) |
| 10:10 |
hdl_laptop |
But test/test might work |
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andy is now known as pie |
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hdl_laptop |
or biblibre/reblibib |
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paul_p |
hdl_laptop: none of them works |
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hdl_laptop |
so I will create test/test |
| 10:11 |
gmcharlt |
cool |
| 10:11 |
ricardo |
paul_p: What you're complaining about... It's the proof that it's a very secure system ;-) |
| 10:12 |
paul_p |
ricardo: lol |
| 10:12 |
* gmcharlt |
just had a wicked thought: *don't* create a test account, and really find out how secure Koha is ;) |
| 10:12 |
slef |
Sorry that we've been reacting to customer requests for the new academic year rather than cleaning/publishing. |
| 10:12 |
ricardo |
All kidding aside. Thumbs up to Biblibre! (Paul, Henri and theis other colleagues) |
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s/theis/their |
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kf |
biblibre++ |
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sekjal |
biblibre++, indeed |
| 10:13 |
hdl_laptop |
And we are also working on some refactoring for item inputs |
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paul_p |
just 2 things missing in new_acq, that we expect to work soon on: improving pdf generation, and choosing delivery place |
| 10:13 |
hdl_laptop |
best integration of all the features added for instance ExtendedAttributes. |
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and Search is also a place of choice for bug fixes. |
| 10:14 |
slef |
I ask other developers to refrain from caustic comments about how easy/hard it is to clean up code - our non-contracted collaborators *do* read the lists, *do* see those comments and it *does* discourage them from helping. Often there's no benefit in giving back in the short term. |
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Not for them, anyway. |
| 10:15 |
gmcharlt |
ok, let's move on to 3.0 : hdl_laptop? |
| 10:15 |
slef |
Longer term, yeah, they'll sell more to Koha-using libraries, but they're a bit sceptical about the value of that at the mo. EOL |
| 10:15 |
hdl_laptop |
no other ppl want to speak on 3.2? |
| 10:16 |
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ok 3.0 |
| 10:16 |
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We have been testing that over the last 2 weeks. |
| 10:17 |
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I announced that translation work was to be done. |
| 10:17 |
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And French OPAC has been all suggested. |
| 10:17 |
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PT-pt is translated |
| 10:17 |
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German is also thx kf ;) |
| 10:17 |
chris |
and polish |
| 10:18 |
kf |
:) |
| 10:18 |
hdl_laptop |
But I think that we can get some more in the next few days. |
| 10:18 |
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And we could release next week. |
| 10:18 |
chris |
and dutch |
| 10:18 |
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yep |
| 10:18 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: "pt-PT" translation is almost finished, yes... at least the PO files (will also translate UNIMARC frameworks, but that work may only be finished by the end of this month)... |
| 10:18 |
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hdl_laptop: So, it's fine by me if 3.0.4 only has the updated translation of PO files |
| 10:19 |
hdl_laptop |
I would like to release official before 14 Oct. |
| 10:19 |
rafael |
we are on the process to translate all unimarc frameworks for portuguese and after that a complete manual |
| 10:19 |
hdl_laptop |
congratulations. |
| 10:19 |
ricardo |
Hi rafael! Didn't see you there :) |
| 10:19 |
hdl_laptop |
nengard: is working on docbook for documentation. |
| 10:20 |
rafael |
I have just arrived. Finally!!! |
| 10:20 |
hdl_laptop |
It should be easier to translate. |
| 10:20 |
nengard |
hdl_laptop - nicolas and i talked and are looking into easier options than docbook to update |
| 10:20 |
hdl_laptop |
(should be 3.2) |
| 10:20 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: *nod* |
| 10:20 |
nengard |
but that are still translatable |
| 10:20 |
slef |
I see bug 3306 and bug 3678 seem to be blocking the release |
| 10:21 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3306 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinetti biblibre.com, ASSIGNED, ReturnBeforeExpiry and RenewalPeriodBase problems |
| 10:21 |
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04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3678 blocker, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Reserved biblionumber not detected |
| 10:21 |
hdl_laptop |
will cherry pick if not already done ;) |
| 10:22 |
slef |
ta |
| 10:22 |
hdl_laptop |
and bug 3678 has been adressed by nahuel |
| 10:22 |
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patch pushed |
| 10:23 |
ricardo |
Bug 3689 |
| 10:23 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3689 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, ricmarquesspamcop.net, ASSIGNED, Searching for a single keyword returns no results, although they exist |
| 10:23 |
slef |
ok, both bugs are marked as patch-sent, but are still open |
| 10:24 |
gmcharlt |
which would be OK, if the patch hasn't been pushed yet or is still awaiting testing |
| 10:24 |
hdl_laptop |
I have not announced path pushed and ask for closing. |
| 10:24 |
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I should have. |
| 10:25 |
slef |
ok, as long as they're done, no problem... just stealing the QA hat for a mo |
| 10:25 |
gmcharlt |
although maybe we should think about adding a status to indicate that a bug is believed to be fixed (patch pushed, in particular) but that we're awaiting confirmation from the original bug reporter |
| 10:25 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: I understand that you're swamped in work and I really appreciate your great work. I would just want to know if the patch will be commited for 3.0.4 (when you have the time to read it) |
| 10:25 |
slef |
we've also got bug 2830 and bug 3432 in the critical column for 3.0.4 |
| 10:25 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2830 critical, P3, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Hold not removed when "trapped" item on hold shelf is checked out to a different patron in the holds queue |
| 10:25 |
ricardo |
gmcharlt: *nod* |
| 10:25 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3432 critical, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Returning lost items |
| 10:26 |
slef |
the second looks done, again |
| 10:26 |
kf |
I think many bugs remain open although the bug is fixed - can somebody else test and close too? |
| 10:27 |
slef |
the first hasn't changed since January... anyone want to pick it up? |
| 10:27 |
hdl_laptop |
Will pick that up. |
| 10:27 |
* gmcharlt |
encourages somebody to do so, please |
| 10:27 |
slef |
kf: yes. anyone: please do if you can. I think we have no long-term QA manager. |
| 10:27 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop++ |
| 10:27 |
davi |
not me, I have one which I have not done anything yet |
| 10:27 |
slef |
hdl_laptop++ |
| 10:28 |
nengard |
we talked about this at the last meeting - and all promised to go test our open bugs and close them if they were done - the problem is that the patch writer shouldn't be closing bugs |
| 10:28 |
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they should be tested by the reporter |
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| 10:28 |
slef |
nengard: in the case of forwarded-from-vendor bugs, the patch writer will be the reporter |
| 10:28 |
gmcharlt |
and if the reporter isn't available, ideally by somebody other than the person who made the patch |
| 10:28 |
ricardo |
gmcharlt: *nod* |
| 10:28 |
gmcharlt |
slef: yes, that case is different |
| 10:28 |
nengard |
slef - true and I do go in and test a bunch of those when I document the feature - in fact I close a lot of bugs after I document the features |
| 10:28 |
hdl_laptop |
I propose to open a testing interface for 3.0.x |
| 10:29 |
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So that ppl can have a reference for testing and closing bugs. |
| 10:29 |
slef |
I have reassigned that bug to hdl_laptop |
| 10:29 |
hdl_laptop |
But we should have then MARC21 and UNIMARC interfaces. |
| 10:29 |
kf |
hdl_laptop: I think thats a good idea! |
| 10:30 |
hdl_laptop |
And Zebra and NoZebra too (should we not ricardo ? ;) ) |
| 10:30 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: if you need MARC21 data, I can supply it |
| 10:30 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: Eheh... True :) |
| 10:30 |
hdl_laptop |
I think there are some commited |
| 10:31 |
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in order to make tests |
| 10:31 |
gmcharlt |
have we exhausted the topic of 3.0? |
| 10:31 |
slef |
This is a good idea, but hard to do well. |
| 10:31 |
paul_p |
hdl_laptop & all: http://biblibre_head.git.biblibre.com/cgi-bin/koha/mainpage.pl test / test now working |
| 10:31 |
hdl_laptop |
thx paul_p. |
| 10:31 |
gmcharlt |
let's move on to 3. Review Wiki Relicensing Ballot |
| 10:31 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: I have a testing interface for UNIMARC + NoZebra. I'm not sure how I should secure it from possible "attacks" though... Maybe set up a cron job that restores the Koha MySQL database from some good known state. |
| 10:31 |
paul_p |
hdl_laptop: missing buttons on members (to add a member, or modify permissions. I suspect granular perms are missing |
| 10:31 |
gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing |
| 10:32 |
paul_p |
(I had to paste the complete url from a 3.0 ;-) ) |
| 10:32 |
slef |
gmcharlt: I need to add a "duplicate username" section to the ballot, but does anyone have any comments apart from that? |
| 10:32 |
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gmcharlt: I could not commit to sending emails because I do not have the user database in the wiki dump I have. |
| 10:33 |
gmcharlt |
slef: no problem - I can give you the email addresses of the registered voters |
| 10:33 |
slef |
gmcharlt: one other thing: I will make the ballot more explicit than "this change". Instead it will say "the change to the GPL" |
| 10:34 |
gmcharlt |
cool |
| 10:34 |
slef |
gmcharlt: thanks. Any time before tomorrow? ;-) Are the dates OK for people otherwise? |
| 10:34 |
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gmcharlt: between 9 October and 11 October 2009 (UTC) |
| 10:34 |
gmcharlt |
that's fine with me |
| 10:35 |
hdl_laptop |
Is there a url for the ballot ? |
| 10:35 |
slef |
everyone, please, if you recognise a username and think they might have changed email or not see a bulk email, let them know. |
| 10:35 |
gmcharlt |
http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing |
| 10:35 |
hdl_laptop |
ok for me |
| 10:35 |
ricardo |
slef: One question... Doesn't FSF "lead" people towards the GFDL for documentation (instead of the GPL)? Just asking |
| 10:36 |
davi |
GFDL add the attribution invariant sections, which IMHO does not add any value in our case |
| 10:36 |
slef |
ricardo: yes, but we'd need at least dual-licensing with GPL; also, wikis have had an escape clause to CC-BY under the FDL. |
| 10:36 |
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ricardo: the escape clause I think means that even FSF acknowledges that FDL is not great for wikis. |
| 10:36 |
ricardo |
slef / davi: OK. Thanks for the explanation :) |
| 10:37 |
slef |
ok, any other questions? |
| 10:37 |
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If not, I look forward to those listed voting on Friday-Sunday-ish. |
| 10:38 |
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| 10:38 |
slef |
gmcharlt: I propose that we move on. |
| 10:38 |
ricardo |
slef: So, if I'm reading that page correctly, no one has voted on it yet, right? |
| 10:38 |
gmcharlt |
ricardo: correct |
| 10:38 |
ricardo |
gmcharlt: OK, thanks |
| 10:39 |
gmcharlt |
next are follow-ups from the last IRC meeting |
| 10:39 |
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let's try to keep this brief so that we can move on to the foundation followup |
| 10:39 |
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first up, Koha Tutorials |
| 10:39 |
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http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ntation:tutorials |
| 10:39 |
nengard |
I wrote a few up as gmcharlt and chris taught me how to do things, but we could use more - and we still havne't had any live demos |
| 10:40 |
kmkale |
how so a live demo of a tutoril? |
| 10:40 |
nengard |
I plan on putting together video tutorials once 3.2 is released with usage information to go along with the manual - but that's not quite what we're talking about here |
| 10:40 |
kmkale |
* tutorial |
| 10:40 |
nengard |
kmkale we talked about experts training us newbies using some sort of screen sharing app so that we could see how things were done |
| 10:41 |
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and ask questions in a webinar format |
| 10:41 |
kmkale |
yes I remember |
| 10:41 |
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thanks nengrad |
| 10:41 |
hdl_laptop |
nengard: could Selenium tests be integrated in 'Tutorials' ? |
| 10:41 |
nengard |
hdl_laptop - I'm not sure what a Selenium test is? |
| 10:41 |
thd |
ricardo: They might only because the GPL is not a documentation license. The problem comes when quoting code. The GPL and GFDL are not compatible. |
| 10:41 |
hdl_laptop |
It records the web activity of your browser |
| 10:42 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: http://seleniumhq.org/ ? |
| 10:42 |
hdl_laptop |
so that it can be replayed afterwards. |
| 10:42 |
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ricardo: yes |
| 10:42 |
ricardo |
hdl_laptop: right, thanks |
| 10:42 |
gmcharlt |
hdl_laptop: but for testing purposes - can you make the equivalent of a screencast of it for training somebody? |
| 10:43 |
hdl_laptop |
when you replay slowly.... |
| 10:43 |
nengard |
hehe |
| 10:43 |
hdl_laptop |
But you cannot see the mouse |
| 10:43 |
nengard |
I'd say - anything is better than nothing - but more detailed videos - or a live webinar would be best to make people feel comfortable bout jumping in and editing code etc etc |
| 10:44 |
sekjal |
nengard: yes |
| 10:44 |
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and it would be a good chance for us to test some tools before KohaCon '10 |
| 10:44 |
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| 10:44 |
nengard |
many people expressed an interest but a fear of not doing things right |
| 10:44 |
kmkale |
yeh I am still trying to get my head around the templating sustem itself ;) |
| 10:44 |
nengard |
and having an expert show them would make them feel better and get more people contributing/bug fixing |
| 10:45 |
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that said - we all seem to be busy with getting 3.2 out - so I do understand the balancing act |
| 10:45 |
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the wiki lists possible software and options and volunteers - so if you can volunteer - just set up a meeting and invite us all via the mailing lists :) |
| 10:46 |
sekjal |
perhaps those of us particularly interested in getting tutored soon could get our institutions to agree to some kind of sponsorship... |
| 10:46 |
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I'll talk to my boss |
| 10:47 |
nengard |
sekjal that would be great |
| 10:47 |
sekjal |
no guarantees, of course; I don't have that kind of authority. but we really want to get prepared to start contributing code |
| 10:47 |
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I've got a list of enhancement requests from my staff a couple pages long |
| 10:48 |
nengard |
I think that's about it on tutorials - if we want to move on |
| 10:48 |
gmcharlt |
next is '# |
| 10:48 |
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Bugzilla default assignees and maintenance |
| 10:48 |
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' |
| 10:48 |
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I think this one mostly depends on people volunteering to become default assignee for various components |
| 10:49 |
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as well as people volunteering to go in and look at bugs and test and close them out |
| 10:49 |
nengard |
which ties into the previous topic :) if we all learned more we might feel comfortable doing that :) hehe |
| 10:49 |
Ropuch |
That's so true ;> |
| 10:50 |
kf |
nengard: I found your tutorial about how to make database changes very useful! |
| 10:50 |
nengard |
thanks to chris and gmcharlt!! they gave me the instructions and I just put it on the wiki |
| 10:50 |
kmkale |
one query on this. how can I run multiple versions of koha on a single machine? |
| 10:51 |
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separate datbases and apache sites? |
| 10:51 |
gmcharlt |
kmkale: pretty much |
| 10:51 |
nahuel |
kmkale, and koha-conf files |
| 10:51 |
kmkale |
ok |
| 10:52 |
gmcharlt |
ok, moving on unless there's more to say on BZ |
| 10:52 |
reed |
kmkale, virtualbox or other virtual machine configs are pretty handy for that |
| 10:52 |
gmcharlt |
next is "# |
| 10:52 |
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Mysql Schema Documentation |
| 10:52 |
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" |
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| 10:52 |
kmkale |
reed :my laptop would die ;) |
| 10:53 |
nengard |
is this: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]cture.sql;hb=HEAD not enough? |
| 10:53 |
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what do want on the schema documentation? |
| 10:53 |
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I can probably add some of this to the manual/wiki but would need some help on certain tables |
| 10:54 |
paul_p |
nengard: what would be usefull would be to add comments on the SQL itself |
| 10:54 |
nengard |
paul_p I can do that too |
| 10:54 |
paul_p |
(it didn't exist on mySQL 3, when koha 1 was released, but now, it's possible) |
| 10:54 |
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would be very usefull for beginners to know what tables / rows are done for |
| 10:54 |
nengard |
maybe a new guidline - if you edit a sql table add comments to the table :) |
| 10:55 |
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guideline |
| 10:55 |
gmcharlt |
yeah, I think the mechanics were actually the main topic of dispute last meeting |
| 10:55 |
slef |
gmcharlt: was this from tajoli? Not here this meeting AFAICT. Move to email list? |
| 10:56 |
gmcharlt |
yes, this was tajoli - and I agree to move this to the ML |
| 10:56 |
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he had started a thread on koha-devel after the Sept meeting |
| 10:56 |
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not sure if anybody followed up on it |
| 10:56 |
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| 10:56 |
gmcharlt |
ok, let's move on to the foundation |
| 10:56 |
ricardo |
wb davi |
| 10:56 |
nengard |
I'll follow up on it - like i said, i don't mind documenting the tables |
| 10:56 |
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if we all agree on comments |
| 10:57 |
gmcharlt |
nengard: just make sure not the duplicate work - tajoli has already done much of that |
| 10:57 |
nengard |
okay - foundation - first - sorry all for the mistakes in the numbers and results - i gave you all the results from my open source survey |
| 10:57 |
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okay gmcharlt |
| 10:58 |
paul_p |
nengard: shame on you. I thought at 1st glance that 1500ppl answered the survey, that was awesome ! now, I see just 120, it's great, but not so much ;-) |
| 10:58 |
ricardo |
nengard: No problem... I was finding it VERY strange to have more than 1000 people answering |
| 10:58 |
nengard |
hehe |
| 10:58 |
paul_p |
(note I immediatly understood the mistake when reading the result ;-) ) |
| 10:58 |
nengard |
herea re the notes/inks: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09sep15 |
| 10:59 |
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I got a lot of comments on the survey itself |
| 10:59 |
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and want you all to know I was learning how to use a new package - I'm going to recreate the survey taking all suggestions into account |
| 10:59 |
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the point was to guage our opinions before reseraching the options |
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| 11:00 |
nengard |
I also think we decided on the mailing list that the option to build a foundation is the eventual goal - but not the goal of this original research |
| 11:00 |
slef |
I need to analyse the raw data to see how it compares to the poll because it's not obvious from the PDF. What conclusions would you draw? |
| 11:01 |
nengard |
slef seems to me that most people wanted to form a foundation of our own - hence my comment on the error in making the survey the wya I did |
| 11:02 |
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then the top 2 things people want the foundation to do are hold the trademark and then the domain |
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anyone else? |
| 11:03 |
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any comments/questions/ideas? |
| 11:03 |
thd |
Yes, I think a poll needs to have explanatory wording and not presume that people understand the intent perfectly from previous discussion. |
| 11:03 |
slef |
Is that an impression, or have you done a more robust analysis of the ranking? |
| 11:03 |
nengard |
slef - that is based on the numbers given to the first and second rank questions |
| 11:03 |
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based on the totals |
| 11:04 |
slef |
ok, we'll see what comes out when we do some better stats tests on it |
| 11:04 |
thd |
We have no knowledge if people are opposed to a foundation doing any of those things or whether people have no opinion. |
| 11:04 |
paul_p |
just analysing the 1st is not enough, for sure |
| 11:04 |
nengard |
hence the reason I sent all the results along with the PDF :) |
| 11:05 |
slef |
nengard: yes, thanks for that |
| 11:05 |
paul_p |
analysing 2 is better, but maybe we could analyse up to 5, with #1 = 10points, #2 = 8, #3=6 ... |
| 11:05 |
thd |
If we have to many polls, however, people will lose interest. |
| 11:05 |
paul_p |
and sum() the result |
| 11:05 |
slef |
paul_p: we can analyse them all with a proper stats package |
| 11:05 |
nengard |
thd there is only supposed to be one more poll - a final poll after everyone researches the options |
| 11:05 |
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the first was just to guage where we were before the research |
| 11:05 |
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at least that's how i understood it |
| 11:06 |
slef |
off the top of my head, I'm thinking ANOVA but I'd look at my reference books to check |
| 11:06 |
gmcharlt |
thd: I think we have to decide that if somebody is not interested in responding to the poll and have no opinion on the matter, that we not give any great weight to that |
| 11:06 |
nengard |
comparison chart here: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]aheldbyfoundation |
| 11:06 |
slef |
Anyway, I don't think I'll have that ready before Monday. |
| 11:06 |
thd |
nengard: That is what I had thought but a statement made me doubt that. |
| 11:06 |
gmcharlt |
we can make sure that the poll includes explicit options to do nothing |
| 11:07 |
nengard |
okay - i can do that |
| 11:07 |
thd |
gmcharlt: by not interested or opposed I was referring to particular goals for any foundation. |
| 11:07 |
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gmcharlt: Only ranking was a given option. |
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| 11:07 |
nengard |
yes - the fact that you had to pick from 17 options was a bad design decision on my part |
| 11:08 |
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and my lack of knowledge of how to limit it |
| 11:08 |
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I have been given tips on how to improve that from those who know the software |
| 11:08 |
slef |
thd: the doodle straw poll was for/against, but smaller audience and no "don't care" options. |
| 11:08 |
ricardo |
Does anyone oppose asking LibLime for the current status of "their" KSF (Koha Software Foundation) on the Koha mailing list (with Cc to Joshua Ferraro)? Things like charter / statutes (if they have been set up). Or does anyone here already have that info, by now? |
| 11:08 |
slef |
ricardo: not I. Check it hasn't been done, though. |
| 11:09 |
nengard |
marshall breeding send out a pdf of a registration of the foundation to the mailing lilst |
| 11:09 |
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that's all we know |
| 11:09 |
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so far |
| 11:09 |
thd |
slef: yes, even I did not understand the overlap for the straw poll. |
| 11:10 |
slef |
thd: the against/no-opinion overlap was because doodle is quick+poor. I had hoped we'd drop the bottom few options from the ranking survey, but nengard and I didn't communicate well. |
| 11:10 |
nengard |
we will do much better this time :) |
| 11:11 |
gmcharlt |
so as I understand it, the next steps are (1) a new poll and (2) a foundation meeting on 19 October? |
| 11:11 |
* nengard |
has a furry baby girl on her mouse (off topic - but cute) |
| 11:11 |
slef |
maybe we should fix a time in a few days to draft the second poll while on IRC so more people can input? |
| 11:12 |
nengard |
gmcharlt yes - but I'd like to see some more discussion on the mailing list or IRC so that people can explain why they think certain options make sense |
| 11:12 |
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discussion is always going to get us better ideas than a poll |
| 11:12 |
slef |
gmcharlt: I think we've drifted a few days, so if the new poll is also two weeks, 19 Oct is too soon. |
| 11:12 |
gmcharlt |
ok, then it looks like we'll need a new date for a foundation-specific meeting |
| 11:13 |
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10/28, perhaps? |
| 11:13 |
slef |
nengard: it has been discussed pretty much to death over the last 3.5 years. We need to divide on the possible actions and then build a consensus around the most viable of them. |
| 11:13 |
nengard |
I'll be out of town and presenting on that date ... but it depends on the time and i guess as long as my opinion is in the poll i'll be okay |
| 11:14 |
thd |
I have also discovered more options for a holding foundation |
| 11:14 |
gmcharlt |
in any event, I gree with slef that assuming that we can agree on a course of action, we should try to avoid unlimited deadlines for dsicussion |
| 11:14 |
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nengard: of course, 27 or 29 October woudl be optins as well |
| 11:14 |
nengard |
gmcharlt self agreed |
| 11:14 |
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and I vote for the 29th |
| 11:14 |
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I'll be at a hotel all day that day :) hehe |
| 11:15 |
hdl_laptop |
ok for me. |
| 11:15 |
slef |
thd: can you summarise to kohalists soon, request for comments and we'll add any that gets really strong support |
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thd |
slef: Did you have an answer from SPI about transferring assets to a non-US non-profit? |
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nengard |
slef i'll email you and work closely with you on fixing the survey |
| 11:15 |
slef |
thd: yes, see the link I eamiled to the list. |
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nengard: thanks |
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29th looks OK for me |
| 11:16 |
gmcharlt |
ok, 10/29 for the foundation IRC meeting |
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slef |
thd: http://comments.gmane.org/gman[…]g.spi.general/917 |
| 11:16 |
gmcharlt |
and 4 Novmeber for the next general meeting |
| 11:16 |
thd |
what times? |
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slef |
both were pencilled in at 19 UTC |
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gmcharlt |
keeping with our cycle, let's do 19:00 UTC+0 for the 4 November meeting |
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and 19:00 UTC+0 worked for the first foundation-forming meeting |
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slef |
nengard: any time better for you than others? |
| 11:17 |
nengard |
it seems like 19 UTC worked well for the last foundation meeting - lots of people were there |
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and that's noon in CA - I think :) so it would be find for me (that's where I'll be) |
| 11:18 |
gmcharlt |
ok, we seem to have run through our agenda |
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anything else before I declare this meeting closed? |
| 11:19 |
ricardo |
gmcharlt: One small thing... |
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Is http://www.kohadocs.org/codingguidelines.html content integrated in http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]:codingguidelines ? |
| 11:20 |
gmcharlt |
no |
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kmkale |
thats past midnight in India |
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gmcharlt |
the version on the wiki is the authoritative version at present |
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davi |
sorry for the cuts |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: OK, thanks for clearing that up |
| 11:21 |
thd |
slef: The problem as you pointed out is that non-spendable assets are trapped in the US. |
| 11:22 |
slef |
thd: no answer on that yet. Needs chasing. Feel free to nudge if you have a mo. |
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thd |
slef: I had a similar answer from the Software Freedom Conservancy |
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gmcharlt |
ok |
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thd |
slef: The only better answer I had from the Software Freedom Conservancy is that there is a French conservancy with which they are affiliated. |
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* gmcharlt |
encourages that discussion to take place on the mailing list, btw |
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gmcharlt |
I declare this meeting over |
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we'll meet again on the 29th for foundation-forming |
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and again on the 4th for the general IRC meeting |
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thanks to everybody |
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Joann |
ok. Good night all. Way past my bedtime :) |
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slef |
thd: how is that better? SPI are affiliated with German and I forget what other association(s). |
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ok, thanks all |
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ricardo |
gmcharlt: Great, many thanks (to you and all)... This meeting took much less time than I anticipated |
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Joann: Bedtime? Are you kidding? It's lunch time (12H23 PM). What do you mean by "Not in New Zealand"? ;-) |
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thd |
slef: not trapping assets is good if the tax laws or rules in other jurisdictions do not trap them. |
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Joann |
Ricardo: cheeky man ... its almost half after midnight |
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thd |
slef: the US is prone to litigation culturally. Other places can be safer. |
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vickiteal |
Breakfast time for me! Bye! |
| 11:26 |
ricardo |
gmcharlt: "Mailing List" = kohalists.katipo.co.nz right ? |
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ricardo |
OK. Lunch time now (really!) Take care everyone and thanks again :) |
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* sekjal |
stretches. |
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sekjal |
time to get ready for work |
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hdl_laptop |
thx gmcharlt |
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custard |
and my thanks to those that decided this was a good time for a meeting :) |
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kmkale |
yeh this IS a good time for meetings |
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slef |
thd: but other places are accessible to fewer people and would get fewer tax-exempt donations. Pros and cons either way. |
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brendan |
see you all in a bit |
| 11:30 |
thd |
slef: yes, I agree there needs to be some presence in major countries but for the most important assets the US has a small but real risk. |
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slef: I assume that you know about the lawsuit over Zotero. |
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slef |
thd: I saw it, yes. |
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thd |
slef: Thomson probably would have pursued that anywhere but the EU does not recognise software patents yet which reduces the scariest risk. |
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thd |
The Zotero suit was over the DMCA I think and I know that France now has a similar law but at least not patents over software yet. |
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slef: How long does it take to have a project accepted at SPI? |
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davi |
I do not know the background too much, but I think SPI would be the best option if we will not create our own association from the start |
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thd |
davi: SPI certainly has the best governance process and the most prominence but I am not persuaded that best governance is enough. |
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davi |
no comment |
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thd |
davi: I think that we have no bad choices really. |
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davi: Why do you think SPI the best choice? |
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thd |
davi: I will not pester you for not being willing to state the reasons for your assertions but the issues need discussing on the mailing list as part of an informed discussion. |
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slef |
thd: at least two weeks. Depends if you hit legal questions. |
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then it is a function of lawyer time |
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thd |
slef: that is very speedy. |
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slef |
thd: they've done it quite a lot now. |
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thd |
slef: the biggest negative for the Conservancy is that they have a 3-6 month waiting list so that they can give every project enough attention. |
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thd |
slef: the majority picked form an independent formation now. |
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slef |
thd: consequence of being lawyer-led and more conservative, do you think? |
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thd: have you done a better analysis than the summary in the PDF? |
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thd |
slef: no its a question of resources for an all volunteer organisation. |
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slef: Well I read what people said in the comments in the raw data. |
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slef |
!!! SPI is an all-volunteer organisation too... except for the bookkeeper who I think gets paid |
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not sure if they were temporary though |
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IMO the biggest negative for the Conservancy is that it's accountable only to the US government, not its users. |
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I'll wait to see how strong the view on the independent formation was until I read the data myself. Currently summarising the meeting. |
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thd |
slef: I have yet to answer you on the list but I think you would have more influence on the Conservancy than on SPI because of the relative sizes of the organisations. |
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slef |
I suspect we may need to focus on that a bit in the second survey to see if it is viable (who will donate time, money or other things?) |
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thd |
slef: I am concerned that the form a foundation now option is a choice of the uninformed. |
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slef |
thd: idealism may be more important than speed to some. After all, we have dragged this out over 3 years now. |
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thd |
slef: How long do you think it would take to agree upon all the bylaws etc. for an independent foundation? |
| 12:04 |
slef |
thd: depends if we can agree on using a particular set of model rules. If so, probably a few months? |
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thd |
slef: I mean how long do you think it would take 165 or more people to agree? |
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Exactly. |
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slef |
165 people spread around the world, no less |
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if we could get them all in one room, probably two afternoons would suffice |
| 12:04 |
thd |
form a foundation now is really form a foundation later option |
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slef |
but you know, all of the interim options have some drawback with the asset handling |
| 12:05 |
thd |
all the options have drawbacks certainly. |
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slef |
I should link that gmane discussion from the cons of the chart... going to |
| 12:06 |
thd |
and actually IFLA probably is not set up to hold any assets of affiliated organisations. |
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slef I have updated the text page but not the chart yet. |
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The text page has more information than could ever fit in the chart people should see both. |
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thd |
slef: do you know why SPI discourages people from assigning code to it? |
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slef |
thd: not for sure. I think it's because it preserves contributor autonomy. |
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thd: as the recent French case http://fsffrance.org/news/arti[…]009-09-22.en.html shows, it's no longer only the copyright holder who can enforce public licensing. |
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thd |
slef: The GNU project gives a grant back to all developers which people at SPI know and is the right way to assign copyright preserving autonomy of contributors. |
| 12:13 |
slef |
thd: two problems with that. Firstly, copyright assignment is not recognised globally (moral rights in most Roman-style legal systems); secondly, it assumes that copyright assignment is worthwhile. |
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thd: the FSFEurope's FLA can address the first problem; the second is to be decided. |
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now I go lunch. meeting summary is on the wiki |
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thd |
slef: You do not need to be a copyright holder to defend your rights but you need to be an interested party.. |
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gmcharlt |
slef: I have emailed you the email addresses |
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nahuel |
gmcharlt, bug 2688 was not applied on head :( |
| 12:32 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2688 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, NEW, z3950_search.pl does not reports connection failure |
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nahuel |
I don't find it on git log |
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gmcharlt |
nahuel: git log | grep 'Report to user the connections errors to z39.50 server, like timeout(10007), and refused(10000).' |
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shows that it *was* applied |
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nahuel |
arf ok |
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scuse me :) |
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kmkale |
bye all |
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custard |
night. |
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jdavidb |
mornin', owen. |
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owen |
Hi jdavidb |
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* owen |
is reading through the meeting log |
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owen |
chris++ for the new #koha log |
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jwagner |
owen, I don't think you missed much. Except for the part where we stopped logging and voted to make you responsible for all the new bug reports :-) |
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kf |
gmcharlt: checking on my bugs right now - can you perhaps check for bug 3559? chris sent a patch for this, but I think it was not pushed yet |
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munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3559 major, PATCH-Sent, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, ASSIGNED, Zotero does not work on opac detail page with xslt on |
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kf |
hi jwagner - how are you? |
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owen |
jwagner: I'll be sure to check the log for "lost time" ;) |
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jwagner |
sehr gut, kf! |
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owen, they probably edited it out! |
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kf |
jwagner: schön zu hören / nice to hear that :) |
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hdl_lunch |
ricardo : are you using QueryAutoTruncate ? |
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owen |
Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman! |
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jwagner |
nahuel, have you decided to single-handedly fix everything??? |
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nahuel |
what ? |
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jwagner, what do you mean ? |
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jwagner |
All the bug reports you've been closing :-) |
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nahuel |
héhé, It's all my assigned bugs that have already been pushed |
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I'm verifying that they are cleaned applied |
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and "fix" them |
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set as fixed |
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jwagner |
Darn. I thought you were going to fix everything that was outstanding :-) |
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nahuel |
But i'm seeing that there is a huge list of non-applied patches |
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jwagner |
Speaking of bugzilla, I'd like to run a report that shows me every bug I'm cc'd on, but I can't figure out how. I tried going under Reports, but when I select the CC etc. contains field, it tells me You didn't define any axes to plot. How do I set one up? I want to be able to keep an eye on all the bugs I'm monitoring, not just the ones I've reported. |
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ricardo |
hdl_lunch: Hi... Apparently yes: "QueryAutoTruncate" is set to ON (but I think that's the default because I don't remember ever changing it) |
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hdl_lunch |
mmm... I guess we should disable that when NoZebra is used. Unless it really is usefull for you. |
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ricardo |
hdl_lunch: For me, there's no problem... I don't even know what "QueryAutoTruncate" /query truncation is :D |
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hdl_lunch: but is there any problem with my proposed patch (adding the "kw" to that line)? |
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hdl_lunch |
QueryAutoTruncate is to automatically look for operands as truncated words. |
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hdl |
yes. would make some trouble in zebra. Since it would disable autotruncation for general searches ;) |
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ricardo |
hdl: Hmmm... And what about adding an additional condition to that "if (QueryAutoTruncate) ON" condition is enabled to check if Zebra is enabled (and only compare also with "kw" if Zebra is NOT enabled)? |
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hdl |
There is already such a condition (or was |
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if ( C4::Context->preference("NoZebra") ) { |
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We could add $auto_truncation=0 |
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would it be ok for you ? |
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line 999 of C4/Search.pm |
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ricardo |
hdl: Sorry... phone |
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thd |
slef: are you back? |
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slef |
thd: yes |
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thd |
slef: What is the license for Bugzilla contributions? |
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slef |
thd: should be GPL, because they're derived works of the koha code. |
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the grey area will be enhancements which are more contribs than patches... let me guess: it's not stated on bugs.koha.org? |
| 13:48 |
thd |
slef: Is there any statement about licensing for bugs.koha.org? |
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slef: most bug reports have no code attached. |
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slef |
thd: maybe not, but could still not be created without having read any of koha's code. |
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slef |
there should be an agreement offered on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]createaccount.cgi but there is not. Yet Another Thing To Fix. |
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ricardo |
hdl: I think that change would be OK, but then I suggest that you also add a change to the System Preferences code to refuse enabling "QueryAutoTruncate" and that explains that it may not be enabled if NOT using Zebra |
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slef |
"you can contact the maintainer of this Bugzilla installation at gmcliblime.com" - oh really? |
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gmcharlt: chris: can either of you update that? |
| 13:54 |
thd |
slef: gmcharlt had provided a link to a dump of the Bugzilla database for you in the same message as one about the wiki for identifying contributors presumably. |
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owen |
slef: gmcharlt said at one time that he would contact Clay at LibLime to get that changed, I don't know if that happened or not. |
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gmcharlt |
slef: I've updated the BZ admin email address |
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thd |
own: do you mean changing the lack of a license statement on bugs.koha.org? |
| 13:55 |
slef |
thd: I forget the reason for the dump. I'll check, but let's eat the licensing-check elephant one bite at a time. |
| 13:55 |
gmcharlt |
I don't recall that licensing content in bugs.koha.org has come up before |
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or at any rate, nobody had made any requests |
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but putting in an agreement right away is putting the cart before the horse |
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thd |
gmcharlt: Most bug reports could be quoted as fair use without problem in any case. |
| 13:56 |
slef |
I'm pretty sure that patches are implicitly licensed under the GPL by virtue of being offered to a code-is-GPL project. Each step away from that is a bit less safe, though. |
| 13:57 |
gmcharlt |
presumably there should at least be any email to the mailing lists stating that we want to apply an explicit license |
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slef |
thd: WE DO NOT HAVE FAIR USE. Sorry for shouting, but USians need to recognise that it's a local quirk. |
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owen |
In what context is the licensing an issue? Migrating the database to another host? Something else? |
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gmcharlt |
and a vote |
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|Lupin| |
hi again |
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slef |
global projects cannot rely on US Fair Use |
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thd |
slef: do you not have a good approximation which is understandably less permissive in the UK? |
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slef |
thd: no, we have Fair Dealing which is completely useless for most people. |
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thd |
slef: Why is it useless for most people? |
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gmcharlt |
owen: I'm not sure. Of course, practically speaking the issue would come up only in the context of somebody asserting copyright of the entire bugs database or for individual bugs in a way that is meant to restrict access |
| 13:59 |
slef |
thd: it allows pretty much no commercial use IIRC. It's a plaything for rich people and academics. |
| 13:59 |
ricardo |
@quote search ricardo |
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munin` |
ricardo: 2 found: #13: "<atz> ricardo: ask and ye shall receive......." and #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese..." |
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ricardo |
@quote get #15 |
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munin` |
ricardo: (quote get [<channel>] <id>) -- Gets the quote with id <id> from the quote database for <channel>. <channel> is only necessary if the message isn't sent in the channel itself. |
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ricardo |
@quote get 15 |
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munin` |
ricardo: Quote #15: "<|Lupin|>ricardo: you are like the Portuguese Hitchcock!!" (added by wizzyrea at 02:58 PM, July 10, 2009) |
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slef |
thd: www.statutelaw.gov.uk and look up the Copyright Designs and Patents Act to see the legislation text. |
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thd |
slef: You need to exercise your vote and fix copyright law in the UK :) |
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slef |
thd: I'm trying. Should I become a pirate? http://mjray.ukgovoss.org/2009[…]party-membership/ |
| 14:01 |
ricardo |
@quote add <owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman! |
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munin` |
ricardo: The operation succeeded. Quote #38 added. |
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ricardo |
@quote get 38 |
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munin` |
ricardo: Quote #38: "<owen> Holy Bugzilla activity explosion, Batman!" (added by ricardo at 02:00 PM, October 07, 2009) |
| 14:01 |
ricardo |
Perfect! ;-) |
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gmcharlt |
slef: only if a free eye patch comes with party membership |
| 14:01 |
thd |
gmcharlt++ |
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slef: I think that abolishing copyright as some pirates advocate would discourage cooperation by some over software and take away the trust which people have with others whom they do not know in sharing with copyleft licenses. |
| 14:06 |
slef |
surely you use copyleft licences when you *don't* trust others? |
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thd |
slef: I know my words were not quite right |
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but yes copyleft helps people to trust those they might not have reason to trust if copyleft would be ineffective in a world without copyright protection. |
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|Lupin| |
is there a canonical way in Koha scripts to find out the current date with year, month, day and time in separate fields, please ? |
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slef |
I think I've seen code simply using localtime() (man perlfunc) but that was old and crufty code so might not be the best way. |
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|Lupin| |
slef: ok, thanks |
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ricardo |
For all the git gurus here... |
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In .git/config I have: |
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[branch "3.0.x"] remote = origin merge = refs/heads/3.0.x |
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Did a "git pull". Got "Already up-to-date". But if I do "git log --pretty=fuller" I only get changes until 30 Sep 2009 |
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Ah, one more note... Here's the setup for "origin": |
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[remote "origin"] url = http://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git fetch = +refs/heads/*:refs/remotes/origin/* |
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What am I doing wrong here? :-/ |
| 14:22 |
thd |
I have forgotten how to avoid backreference $1 bing mistake for undefined backreference $10 in s/(something)/$10/ |
| 14:23 |
slef |
${1} and ${10} I think |
| 14:23 |
thd |
${1}0 |
| 14:23 |
slef |
yep |
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ricardo: git branch -l says you're on which branch? |
| 14:25 |
ricardo |
slef: " * 3.0.x " |
| 14:28 |
slef |
nengard: "No surveys available; please create one." |
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ricardo: can you see origin/3.0.x on git branch -l -a ? Can you try git:// or not? |
| 14:29 |
nengard |
slef - hmm - okay off to poke at permissions again |
| 14:29 |
slef |
nengard: ta |
| 14:30 |
nengard |
slef refresh |
| 14:30 |
ricardo |
slef: "git : - / / " What's that? |
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| 14:33 |
ricardo |
slef: "git show origin/3.0.x" also only shows commits until 30-Sep-2009 |
| 14:34 |
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slef (and others): What's the URL that you have for "origin" ? |
| 14:38 |
slef |
ricardo: url = git://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git |
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|Lupin| |
ricardo: do you really need one ? doesn't origin/master work ? |
| 14:38 |
slef |
ricardo: I'll pull and see what I see on 3.0.x. |
| 14:38 |
ricardo |
|Lupin|: I need to also follow the 3.0.x branch |
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slef: Thanks. I appreciate it :) |
| 14:39 |
slef |
nengard: worksforme |
| 14:39 |
paul_p |
git hint: if you want to see on which branch(es) a patch has been applied : git branch -a --contains <commitSHA> |
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( did I say I love git ? ) |
| 14:40 |
ricardo |
paul_p: I, on the other hadn think that I have a love-hate relationship with git, eheh |
| 14:40 |
paul_p |
yep, it's because there are too much things to learn. I had the same problem at the beginning. Now, it's better |
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(the opposite as in real love affairs: at the beginning, the woman has only qualities, after some years...) |
| 14:41 |
ricardo |
paul_p: LOL! |
| 14:41 |
paul_p |
(married 15 years ago) |
| 14:42 |
ricardo |
(One more quote to add... On second thougt, never mind. I don't want to be sued by Paul ;-) |
| 14:43 |
paul_p |
(note I still love my wife, definetly, but I see now she's not perfect. Fortunatly, she sees i'm not perfect either ;-) ) |
| 14:43 |
ricardo |
paul_p: Yeah... And there are still some people say that eye sight gets *worse* with aging. Pfff.... ;-) |
| 14:44 |
slef |
; git log -1 '--pretty=oneline' origin/3.0.x |
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ba72e844b5c5197a9bfe8ea89c92b76d94f7e7e2 BugFixing : 3306 |
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ricardo |
slef: Thanks... Could this problem be due to me having to clone over http protocol instead of over the git protocol? It doesn't seem likely, but still... |
| 14:49 |
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slef: For that git query, I get: |
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8316fc92ff9cd56144dadaec262cdc8c376fc236 German and Italian updates |
| 14:52 |
slef |
ricardo: actually, it seems likely to me. http protocol on a dumb http server requires a special git update-server-info command to be run after push. I don't know if that is run on git.koha.org. |
| 14:52 |
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ricardo: can you use git protocol? |
| 14:53 |
ricardo |
slef: Ah... Thanks for the info. No, here I can't use the git protocol, I'm afraid. I'm behind a "Big Bad Firewall" |
| 14:53 |
slef |
ricardo: then you need someone who else can check http |
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either another http user or someone who knows the server |
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or you could try one of the http mirrors on the wiki |
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see if that gives different results |
| 14:54 |
ricardo |
slef: right. Thanks for the info. Will check that :) |
| 14:55 |
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OK. First conclusion: koha.git for "http" is not getting updated: |
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http://git.koha.org/pub/scm/koha.git/info/refs |
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"8316fc92ff9cd56144dadaec262cdc8c376fc236refs/heads/3.0.x" |
| 14:56 |
thd |
where is the license statement for the Koha manuals? |
| 14:56 |
ricardo |
That matches the most recent commit that I get with the "http" protocol (and that makes sense) |
| 14:56 |
Ropuch |
Can you recommend me a free forum engine? |
| 15:01 |
slef |
Ropuch: it depends what you are trying to do. phpbb is popular. |
| 15:02 |
thd |
nengard: Do your Koha manuals have a copyright license statement? |
| 15:02 |
slef |
I'm sure the manuals used to have a copyright license statement. |
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http://www.kohadocs.org/manuel_koha/ and http://www.kohadocs.org/usersguide/ were GPL 2 |
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sorry, 2+ |
| 15:04 |
Ropuch |
slef: I'm thinking about phpBB or smf, I want to integrate forum with modx |
| 15:04 |
slef |
http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0 links to GPL 2.0 from "Distributed under the GNU GPL license" |
| 15:04 |
Ropuch |
Guess I'll try both |
| 15:04 |
slef |
Ropuch: smf is evil, isn't it? |
| 15:04 |
Ropuch |
Don't know yet ;> |
| 15:04 |
slef |
Ropuch: as in, you're not allowed to modify it and share those mods |
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ricardo |
Hi DarrellUlm ! :) |
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slef |
thd: I think the rule of thumb may be "if it moved to a liblime.com server, the copyright notice probably got lost in the move". :-( |
| 15:06 |
ricardo |
Bye Darrell ... |
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slef |
Hi DarrellUlm! Is ricardo scary? |
| 15:06 |
ricardo |
slef: Me? :-0 |
| 15:07 |
nengard |
thd - yes the gpl - somewhere - or it used to - either way when i move it I'll put one on it |
| 15:07 |
thd |
slef: the koha.org website where the manuals are now has GPL 2 license designation at the bottom without an "or later version" invoking statement. |
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nengard: do not forget the or later version at your option part. |
| 15:08 |
ricardo |
owen: Are you here? |
| 15:08 |
owen |
Yes |
| 15:09 |
ricardo |
owen: Good :) I have a debugging challenge for you... Private please |
| 15:09 |
nengard |
thd i can't update the koha.org footer - but i'll put that on the updated versions |
| 15:09 |
slef |
thd: where's the licensing notice on agogme.com by the way? |
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nengard: make sure you can prove your employers consented and we don't get work-made-for-hire blowback from anyone. |
| 15:10 |
thd |
slef: have a look at the bottom of an old experiment http://kohaldwiki.agogme.com |
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slef |
thd: complete, but one wrong icon and allows non-free-software licensing. |
| 15:11 |
thd |
slef: I had not thought about that much. |
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which icon is wrong? |
| 15:12 |
slef |
thd: showing a CC-BY-SA for FDL |
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|Lupin| |
I'm wondering: when a text such as a book title is inserted in an XML document, as a node text, does it have to be escaped somehow ? |
| 15:12 |
thd |
slef: that is a DokuWiki formatting problem |
| 15:12 |
slef |
|Lupin|: depends what it contains. Might be safest to put it in a CDATA but that break some things. |
| 15:13 |
thd |
the logos are underneath the text statement. |
| 15:13 |
slef |
oic |
| 15:14 |
thd |
I could not find one for GFDL but I wish that FSF would get on with releasing GSFDL so we could discard GFDL in real use. |
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| 15:16 |
|Lupin| |
slef: well it's more or less regular text I'd say. It may contain apostrophes, quoes and the like |
| 15:16 |
thd |
However even the simple license will not likely be GPL compatible which is a problem for quoting source code. |
| 15:18 |
wizzyrea |
hdl, did you ever commit anything for bug 1981? |
| 15:18 |
thd |
slef: answering your question about my website better. There is a context sensitive credits page with relevant licensing information. |
| 15:18 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1981 enhancement, P3, ---, chrisbigballofwax.co.nz, NEW, Renewal limit should be in circ matrix |
| 15:19 |
wizzyrea |
(the report would indicate not, was curious as to why) |
| 15:19 |
slef |
thd: I looked at that and didn't see any permissions for the site content. |
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thd |
I had been waiting for the GSFDL but I might be waiting a very long time. |
| 15:21 |
slef |
I didn't realise SFDL wasn't out yet |
| 15:22 |
thd |
slef: GSFDL has been in draft form only for a few years now. |
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slef: I expect that there will be an upgrade path from GFDL to GSFDL in some later version of GFDL. |
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... provided the work has no invariant sections. |
| 15:23 |
kf |
wizzyrea: I saw that in biblibres test installation today, so I think we will get it in 3.2 |
| 15:24 |
hdl |
wizzyrea: I think nahuel commited that on 3.2 |
| 15:24 |
owen |
Hi DarrellUlm |
| 15:24 |
wizzyrea |
sweet ty |
| 15:24 |
slef |
thd: anyway, I was using your site to suggest that even the best of the koha-linked .coms doesn't permissively license its website, so maybe we shouldn't be surprised that the .com-hosted koha sites haven't quite got it right |
| 15:25 |
hdl |
i thought it would be taken when biblibre branch wil be merged |
| 15:25 |
thd |
slef: we were discussing the koha.org site |
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| 15:25 |
thd |
sites |
| 15:25 |
wizzyrea |
koha.org is hosted by a US company |
| 15:25 |
slef |
thd: yes, but you're missing the point. |
| 15:26 |
thd |
I recognise the point. |
| 15:26 |
kf |
wizzyrea: another item on my wish list: number of days before renewal is possible in circ matrix |
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wizzyrea: but duration of renewal period would be great too, only circ matrix will get bigger and bigger |
| 15:27 |
slef |
thd: I suggest the .com hosting koha.org probably got it wrong because we all didn't hold them to account on it at startup, rather than the content being mislicensed necessarily. |
| 15:28 |
thd |
slef: footers are designed to be largely ignored. |
| 15:28 |
wizzyrea |
yea, e just added it |
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kf, we added a note to 1981 |
| 15:28 |
kf |
wizzyrea: thinking about adding mine as a note too, but perhaps better add a new bug for this |
| 15:29 |
wizzyrea |
kf: that would probably be better |
| 15:29 |
thd |
slef: Which is why the credits link on my website is at both the top and the bottom of every page. |
| 15:29 |
slef |
thd: courts disagree. I was looking at email footer case law earlier today for another reason. |
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thd |
slef: legally the bottom is fine |
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slef: I want people to notice the link and want to make it as prominent as I reasonably can. |
| 15:31 |
kf |
wizzyrea: selfcheck machines got installed last week in our project library - thx for your help again. we ended up with deactivating renewals, but I think patrons will get more and better information in opac anyway. |
| 15:31 |
wizzyrea |
:D awesome! |
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are they working well? |
| 15:32 |
kf |
so far yes, but only librarian-tested |
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students will get chance to test and break them next week :) |
| 15:36 |
owen |
hdl still around? |
| 15:36 |
kf |
bug 3694 |
| 15:36 |
hdl |
yes |
| 15:36 |
munin` |
04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3694 critical, P5, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Items being cataloged are not appearing in the catalog |
| 15:37 |
owen |
hdl: ricardo and I are discussing a problem in 3.0.x in which the wrong version of a jquery plugin is being loaded under some circumstances |
| 15:38 |
kf |
hm, its a waldo library |
| 15:38 |
owen |
hdl: The result is that any keypress in the staff client login form causes a js redirect to search.pl |
| 15:38 |
hdl |
wow. this is critical |
| 15:39 |
gmcharlt |
kf, hdl: may simply be a rebuild_zebra.pl glitch |
| 15:39 |
hdl |
I knew that jquery change would be a problem for 3.0.x |
| 15:40 |
gmcharlt |
(re 3694) |
| 15:41 |
hdl |
2 solutions : either stick to old jquery, or make a "last minute change" and apply the changes for jquery upgrade. |
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| 15:42 |
owen |
hdl, why did you expect problems from the jquery upgrade? |
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More details about ricardo's experience: When logging in from the English version, the correct version of the plugin is loaded and the problem doesn't occur. If you choose the Portuguese translation, the wrong version of the plugin is loaded and the problem does occur. |
| 15:44 |
ricardo |
owen: What would be the correct version of the plugin, BTW? |
| 15:44 |
gmcharlt |
kf: I've updated that bug to send a response to Warren |
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suggesting that they check with their support vendor |
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most likely, it's just a glitch getting rebuidl_zebra.pl on the cron list |
| 15:44 |
kf |
gmcharlt: thx :) I just was not sure how to answer the bug |
| 15:45 |
hdl |
owen: what about disabling hotkeys ? |
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owen: oh.... This could be a translation update problem. |
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then. |
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ricardo: have you updated all your translations after rebase ? |
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ricardo |
hdl: I think I ran "install-code.pl pt-PT"... I might try to run it again. But given that owen is also getting this problem, I'm thinking it may not be the problem only with my setup |
| 15:46 |
hdl |
owen: Because I had some bugs here and there (table sorter or highlight plugins which changed names.) |
| 15:47 |
ricardo |
hdl: OK. I can create a new git branch and get updates for it... Should i run "install-code.pl pt-PT" on that branch, after doing that? |
| 15:47 |
hdl |
mmmm... Is there the same problem on biblibre_3.0.x ? |
| 15:48 |
ricardo |
hdl: I don't know... I don't follow "biblibre_3.0.x", just regular "3.0.x" |
| 15:48 |
hdl |
yes. |
| 15:48 |
ricardo |
hdl: OK |
| 15:48 |
owen |
ricardo: I could duplicate your problem *before* a fresh rebase, but now I can't |
| 15:48 |
hdl |
but biblibre_3.0.x.git.biblibre.com is a simple official head. |
| 15:49 |
ricardo |
hdl: Cool :) |
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Let me reboot that machine |
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ricardo |
BRB |
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|Lupin| |
Which perl function would you guys use to xml-quote a string ? |
| 15:59 |
schuster |
In the template/pl item type was added for opac-detail - my question - is there a way to get it to sort on location by default rather than the item type? |
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Looks like some java script? |
| 16:01 |
owen |
schuster: Yes, it's javascript, and the default sort column is part of the template |
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I can't remember the history here...was Location previously the first column in the table, then Item type was added? |
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owen |
If so, then Item type probably just took the place of Location as the default sorted column |
| 16:01 |
schuster |
Yes that is correct on the history... Item type was added in front of the location. |
| 16:02 |
owen |
...in which case the original intent was to sort by Location by default, and it just didn't get updated. |
| 16:02 |
schuster |
that is correct and it is driving the librarians crazy... |
| 16:02 |
owen |
Of course, sorting Location by default was probably something I or someone else made up off the top of our heads :) |
| 16:03 |
schuster |
Prefered as most item types for the book are the same so sorting on it is almost useless. |
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* nengard |
lunching |
| 16:03 |
schuster |
You can click on title to sort, but that is an extra step and the kids/librarians don't want to do that. |
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sorry location |
| 16:04 |
ricardo |
Back |
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OK... Ran "install-code.pl pt-PT" in /root/kohaclone/misc/translator .... Now, English translation asks to run "Web Installer" again (probably some database update... will run it) |
| 16:05 |
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Yep: "We are upgrading from Koha 3.00.04.016 to 3.00.04.018, you must update your database " |
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schuster |
sortList: [[0,0]] - would this be the place to play in the template? or is there another place to adust which column is first? |
| 16:07 |
owen |
Yes |
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pastebot |
"ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Some warnings on Web Installer for the 3.0.x branch (update database structure)" (11 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/17 |
| 16:08 |
ricardo |
Nope... The problem remains |
| 16:08 |
owen |
schuster: You'd change that to [[1,0]] to sort on the second column |
| 16:08 |
schuster |
So what would I do to get it to sort on the second column? - sortList: [[1,1]] ? |
| 16:08 |
ricardo |
But today it's only happening it for me in: |
| 16:08 |
schuster |
Thanks! I'll try that. |
| 16:08 |
ricardo |
(1) Internet Explorer 7 (in Windows) |
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owen |
schuster: sortList: [[1,1]] would sort on the second column, descending order. |
| 16:09 |
ricardo |
(2) Firefox 2.0.x (in a different computer running Linux) |
| 16:09 |
schuster |
Cool learned something today about tmpl! |
| 16:09 |
ricardo |
Not happening in (3) Firefox 3.5.3 (in the same Windows computer as 1) |
| 16:09 |
owen |
schuster: You learned about the jquery tablesorter plugin! http://tablesorter.com/docs/ |
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ricardo: Have you cleared the cache on your IE7 and FF2 browsers? |
| 16:11 |
ricardo |
owen: Yesterday I did and didn't make a difference. Let me try it again today (for IE7) |
| 16:11 |
owen |
And by the way schuster, it looks like opac-detail has always been set up like that, the only difference is whether you have the OPACDisplayItypes preference turned on. |
| 16:13 |
ricardo |
owen: Yep, in IE 7 the problem remains, after clearing the cache and reopening the browser |
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ricardo |
owen: Are we using "jsquery.hotkeys.min.js"? In that case could we test it to change to "jsquery.hotkeys.js"? Or vice-versa? Or wouldn't changes in the jsquery file make any difference? |
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owen |
ricardo: I suspect a problem with your installation or with your translated template |
| 16:18 |
ricardo |
owen: Probably... |
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owen: Any particular files / sections that I should look for? |
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I think hdl mentioned "doc-head-close.inc" yesterday |
| 16:19 |
owen |
Since the official version of the jquery plugin for 3.0.x is jsquery.hotkeys.min.js, the presence of jsquery.hotkeys.js in your translated templates suggests a problem with the translation process? |
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But I don't really know. |
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hdl |
owen: ricardo feel free to file the bug and bug me |
| 16:23 |
ricardo |
hdl: LOL! |
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DarrellUlm |
Hello Again |
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| 16:27 |
DarrellUlm |
Hello |
| 16:27 |
ricardo |
OK... I'm being deceived for something... |
| 16:28 |
DarrellUlm |
What? |
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ricardo |
owen /hdl: This is still redirecting to "sapo.pt" although the "staff-global.js" file is the default one that doesn't redirect to that URL but to the /cgi-bin/search.pl (or something). Weird.... I have to see if there's other "staff-global.js" file at work here |
| 16:29 |
* nengard |
back |
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hdl |
OK... I'm being deceived for something.. ????? |
| 16:30 |
ricardo |
hdl: Actually, I meant that "I'm being deceived BY something" :) |
| 16:30 |
DarrellUlm |
I think I messed the meeting. |
| 16:30 |
hdl |
disappointed or dismissed/puzzled ? |
| 16:31 |
DarrellUlm |
Missed! |
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I was called away serveral times. Normal. |
| 16:31 |
|Lupin| |
see you later, all, have a nice day |
| 16:31 |
hdl |
http://koha.org/cgi-bin/logs.p[…]day&recall=recall |
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hdl |
mmm.That link is broken |
| 16:32 |
DarrellUlm |
What time was the meeting supposed to happen EST? :) |
| 16:32 |
owen |
DarrellUlm: The meeting was at 6AM EST |
| 16:32 |
DarrellUlm |
Any progress? |
| 16:32 |
owen |
http://stats.workbuffer.org/irclog/koha/today |
| 16:32 |
DarrellUlm |
Thank you! |
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kf |
ok, time to leave - bye all :) |
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ricardo |
Easy question for the find / grep gurus here: how do I get a list of "*.js" files in current directory and below that have the string "sapo.pt" ? |
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chris_n2 |
ricardo: maybe 'grep -En "sapo\.pt" *.js' |
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| 16:39 |
ricardo |
chris_n: I think that the fact that the shell expands the wildcards in the current directory will make that NOT work for the subdirectories |
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chris_n |
ricardo: right so try this: 'grep -En "sapo\.pt" *' | grep \.js |
| 16:40 |
schuster |
owen - I don't have OPACDisplayItypes??? |
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This all came about in the august update for me. |
| 16:40 |
ricardo |
chris_n: Cool, thanks. :) Let me test it |
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chris_n |
ricardo: or recursively: 'grep -Ern "sapo\.pt" *' | grep \.js |
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correcting single quotes: 'grep -Ern "sapo\.pt" * | grep \.js' |
| 16:42 |
owen |
schuster: Sorry, that was outdated info |
| 16:42 |
ricardo |
chris_n: find . -iname '*.js' | xargs grep 'sapo' -sl |
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chris_n: this works... Based on: |
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Linux: Find a string in files and display just the filename |
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Linux: Find a string in files and display just the filename |
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http://www.liamdelahunty.com/t[…]_string_files.php |
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chris_n: Didn't test your solution(s) yet. Sorry! |
| 16:43 |
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chris_n: But thanks for helping :) |
| 16:45 |
schuster |
whew... Thought my system was worse off than I thought! |
| 16:45 |
owen |
schuster: Item type will display on your detail page if you have item-level item types turned on. |
| 16:46 |
chris_n |
ricardo: np; beware that <grep 'sapo'> will find every instance of the four letter combination rather than just those followed by <.pt> (if that matters to you) |
| 16:47 |
* chris_n |
wonders about schuster's thinking ;-) |
| 16:47 |
ricardo |
chris_n: *nod* |
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owen: I'm starting to think I'm being bitten by our Proxy (maybe it's also caching pages) |
| 16:49 |
schuster |
Ah - interesting - If ON, enables Item-level Itemtype / Issuing Rules - so does that impact holds as well? |
| 16:50 |
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Thought my system was worse off than I thought - self hosted - and we have been doing development so this next community upgrade should be interesting. |
| 16:50 |
owen |
schuster: item-level holds are enabled separately if that's what you mean |
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OPACItemHolds |
| 16:52 |
schuster |
hmm may play with turning that off and on and see what happens... Now if only http://tablesorter.com/docs/ was able to apply in the staff client on the detail.tmpl I'd be in business! Making even more librarians happy! |
| 16:52 |
ricardo |
owen: Yep... It's either the IE cache that's not being deleted by "Delete all" or our proxy that's being a bit too "cache friendly" |
| 16:53 |
owen |
schuster: It could certainly be added. I know some libraries have problems with the tablesorter because they have huge amounts of items and the tablesorter bogs down loading of the page |
| 16:53 |
schuster |
what is interesting to me is the detail.tmpl is not sorted, but the additem.tmpl screen is... |
| 16:54 |
owen |
Not sorted, or not sorted in a way that is discernable? |
| 16:55 |
schuster |
not sorted in a discernable way - possibly by added? but when you click on edit items - they are sorted by homelocation. |
| 16:56 |
owen |
Yeah, probably by added. |
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pianohacker |
hello |
| 17:24 |
owen |
Hi pianohacker |
| 17:24 |
pianohacker |
hi owen |
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were you here for the meeting? |
| 17:24 |
owen |
Nope |
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| 17:40 |
chris |
morning |
| 17:40 |
pianohacker |
good morning, chris |
| 17:40 |
* chris |
fell asleep about 20 mins into the meeting and just woke up again now |
| 17:41 |
pianohacker |
you are a valiant soul for at least trying :) |
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ricardo |
I'm back |
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owen: Still here? |
| 17:45 |
owen |
Yes |
| 17:45 |
ricardo |
owen: Cool :) Bad news: the redirect to http://koha30xman.kohademo.inf[…]talogue/search.pl is still happening :( |
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(at least in Firefox... the local cache of IE here is acting "weird-beyond-belief") |
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| 17:48 |
ricardo |
owen: OK... Also "tamed" the cache in IE browser. Yep, redirect still happening |
| 17:48 |
chris |
its not the redirect that is the problem (and its not even redirecting) |
| 17:49 |
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its that the form is being submitted |
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by any keypress, rather than just by ctrl-q |
| 17:50 |
ricardo |
chris: Hi Chris! Isn't the FIRST redirect caused by "location.href" in "staff-global.js"? After that it may be submitted because, as you say, the form action is the "self" page (and after you're redirected to search.pl... well, the form that's submitted is also search.pl) |
| 17:51 |
chris |
its not a redirect |
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the js is telling it to go to that page |
| 17:51 |
ricardo |
chris: OK... redirect in that sense ("js is telling it to go to that page") |
| 17:52 |
chris |
yep, but redirect means something quite different |
| 17:52 |
ricardo |
chris: You mean like a "302" HTTP Response Header? |
| 17:52 |
chris |
redirect is when you go to one page/location and are automatically sent to another |
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this one only sends you to a another location when you type a key in the username or password field |
| 17:53 |
ricardo |
chris: OK. Then, in this case, it's a "conditional redirect": if you type anything, you get redirected! ;-) |
| 17:53 |
chris |
no you get directed :) |
| 17:54 |
ricardo |
chris: same thing to me, but I won't argue |
| 17:57 |
chris |
its the the hot key to jump to catalogue search (alt-q) is not being bound properly |
| 18:00 |
ricardo |
chris: Right... Any suggestion to fix that? |
| 18:00 |
chris |
nope, ive made it my aim in life not to learn js or html |
| 18:00 |
ricardo |
chris:LOL |
| 18:00 |
chris |
its true |
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otherwise i end having to fix stuff like this :) |
| 18:01 |
owen |
ricardo's problem is that under some circumstances the template is attempting to call the wrong version of the hotkeys plugin. |
| 18:01 |
ricardo |
@quote add chris <chris> nope, ive made it my aim in life not to learn js or html |
| 18:01 |
munin` |
ricardo: The operation succeeded. Quote #39 added. |
| 18:01 |
ricardo |
;-) |
| 18:01 |
owen |
It's not a javascript or jquery problem per se |
| 18:01 |
pianohacker |
chris: and yet you learned perl :) |
| 18:01 |
owen |
It's a problem with the template...perhaps with template generation during the translation process |
| 18:02 |
ricardo |
chris: After what pianohacker wrote, it's now the time that you should write "touché" ;-) |
| 18:02 |
owen |
When I switched to a 3.0.x branch I was able to duplicate the problem, but after a rebase the problem went away |
| 18:03 |
chris |
ricardo: that would mean i think perl is as retarded as js ... and i dont :) |
| 18:03 |
ricardo |
owen: What is the file that loads the hotkeys plugin ? |
| 18:04 |
chris |
owen: can we see the line in the template that is getting the wrong file? |
| 18:04 |
ricardo |
chris: I think it's just a case of different tools (languages) for different things |
| 18:04 |
owen |
chris, when you view the source you can see that the wrong file is being called |
| 18:04 |
ricardo |
(js "vs" perl) |
| 18:05 |
chris |
ricardo: i dont mind jquery, but js is in fact, retarded :) |
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owen: cool, what line? |
| 18:06 |
pianohacker |
right. they're kind of similar in the fact that they've been haphazardly cobbled together to meet a need, and the makers are now frantically attempting cleanup efforts (see ecmascript and perl 6) |
| 18:07 |
owen |
chris: line 26 of the "view source" |
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chris |
ta |
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<script type="text/javascript" src="/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.hotkeys.min.js"></script> that one? |
| 18:08 |
owen |
Right. |
| 18:08 |
chris |
and is that the right or wrong one? |
| 18:09 |
owen |
The right one. |
| 18:09 |
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In ricardo's test installation when you switch to the Portuguese translation you get the wrong one. |
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<script type="text/javascript" src="/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.hotkeys.js"> |
| 18:09 |
chris |
whats the wrong one? the non minified version? |
| 18:10 |
owen |
The non-minifed version is an older version and the wrong one for the most recent 3.0.x |
| 18:11 |
ricardo |
hdl had mentioned "doc-head-close.inc" and he's right |
| 18:11 |
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Line 21 of that |
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koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT/includes |
| 18:12 |
pianohacker |
could there be some odd line in the .po that is "translating" that file name? |
| 18:12 |
ricardo |
# view doc-head-close.inc |
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Line 21 |
| 18:12 |
chris |
seems likely pianohacker |
| 18:12 |
ricardo |
<script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/j query/plugins/ui.tabs.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.hotkeys.js"></script |
| 18:14 |
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And for the english one |
| 18:14 |
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koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes |
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# view doc-head-close.inc |
| 18:14 |
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Line 21 |
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<script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/j query/plugins/ui.tabs.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.hotkeys.min.js"></sc |
| 18:19 |
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How does "doc-head-close.inc" get generated? |
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| 18:24 |
chris |
the same way all the other files do, by the translation scripts (tmpl_process3.pl etc) |
| 18:27 |
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cant find anything suspicious in the .po file |
| 18:29 |
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ricardo: can you change into your git repo |
| 18:29 |
* pianohacker |
neither |
| 18:29 |
ricardo |
chris:Sure |
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chris: and...? |
| 18:29 |
chris |
cd koha-tmpl |
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grep "jquery.hotkeys" -r * |
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i suspect that the english file in there has the wrong one, and since the translated one is based on it, it has the wrong one too |
| 18:31 |
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thats my latest theory |
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| 18:32 |
owen |
But when you switch to the English translation in his test server you get the correct file |
| 18:32 |
pastebot |
"ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Output of grep "jquery.hotkeys" -r * in koha-tmpl" (11 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/18 |
| 18:32 |
chris |
yes, thats a red herring owen |
| 18:33 |
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because he copied the translated files elsewhere, which means they arent being run out of git |
| 18:34 |
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in that case, recreate the templates right now :) |
| 18:35 |
ricardo |
chris: I do have a /root/rickoha30x/... and a /root/rickohamaster ... for 2 different Virtual Hosts... But, in both cases, the translated files reside in "/root/ricardokohaclone" (AFAICT) |
| 18:36 |
chris |
i just generated the pt templates |
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and its showing the right thing |
| 18:36 |
ricardo |
# pwd/root/ricardokohaclone/misc/translator |
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# pwd |
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I'm in /root/ricardokohaclone/misc/translator |
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running |
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./install-code.pl pt-PT |
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right? |
| 18:37 |
chris |
yep |
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pt-PT/includes/doc-head-close.inc:<script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/ui.tabs.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.hotkeys.min.js"></script> |
| 18:38 |
ricardo |
Lots and lots of output... |
| 18:38 |
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... |
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Creating ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT//modules/cataloguing/value_builder/unimarc_field_124e.tmpl... |
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... |
| 18:38 |
chris |
yep if you are impatient |
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you can open another term and just go have a look at that file |
| 18:38 |
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it is created right near the start :) |
| 18:38 |
ricardo |
The install seems to be successful. |
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| 18:40 |
ricardo |
# cd ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/pt-PT |
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# cd includes |
| 18:40 |
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# view doc-head-close.inc |
| 18:40 |
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Line 21: |
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<script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/j query/plugins/ui.tabs.js"></script><script type="text/javascript" src="<!-- TMPL_VAR name="themelang" -->/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.hotkeys.js"></script |
| 18:41 |
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# date |
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Wed Oct 7 18:39:58 UTC 2009 |
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# ls -l doc-head-close.inc |
| 18:41 |
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-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4027 2009-06-08 14:22 doc-head-close.inc |
| 18:42 |
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OK... so let's admit that I'm being "deceived"... This "doc-head-close.inc" should be dated today... Shouldn't it? |
| 18:42 |
chris |
yes |
| 18:42 |
ricardo |
# updatedb |
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# locate -i "doc-head-close.inc" | grep -i "pt-pt" |
| 18:43 |
chris |
you could do mv pt-PT pt-PT.old |
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then regen the templates |
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| 18:44 |
pastebot |
"ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Output of locate -i "doc-head-close.inc" | grep -i "pt-pt"" (10 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/19 |
| 18:45 |
ricardo |
chris: OK. Let me try to do that |
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chris: NOTE... I'm not running "perl Makefile.PL; make; make install" in these experiments. Should I have done that? |
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Anyway... |
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# pwd |
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I'm in /root/ricardokohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog |
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mv pt-PT pt-PT-old |
| 18:47 |
chris |
no you shouldnt |
| 18:48 |
ricardo |
chris: OK, thanks |
| 18:48 |
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# pwd |
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I'm in /root/ricardokohaclone/misc/translator |
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# ./install-code.pt pt-PT |
| 18:49 |
chris |
yep |
| 18:50 |
ricardo |
OK |
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"The install seems to be successful. " |
| 18:50 |
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let's see the templates folder again |
| 18:51 |
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# pwd |
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I'm in /root/ricardokohaclone/koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog |
| 18:51 |
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# ls |
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en img pt-PT pt-PT-old |
| 18:51 |
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# ls |
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uh-oh |
| 18:52 |
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I only get this: |
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js modules |
| 18:52 |
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Shouldn't I get also "includes", for instance? |
| 18:52 |
chris |
yep |
| 18:52 |
ricardo |
Well, then... "Houston, we have a problem!" :-/ |
| 18:53 |
chris |
what was the last line just before the successful |
| 18:53 |
ricardo |
Let me run this... again (removing pt-PT folder) and put the entire output in paste.workbuffer.org |
| 18:53 |
chris |
k |
| 18:53 |
pianohacker |
ricardo: I was missing the includes folder when I tried it, so something strange is going on |
| 18:54 |
ricardo |
pianohacker: OK, thanks for the feedback. Maybe "therein lies the bug" |
| 18:54 |
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# cd ../.. |
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# rm -rf pt-PT |
| 18:55 |
chris |
i will rebase and try again |
| 18:55 |
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too |
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cos it worked last time (20 mins ago) |
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rebasing now |
| 18:55 |
ricardo |
# pwd |
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I'm in /root/ricardokohaclone/misc/translator |
| 18:55 |
chris |
and running install-code.pl pt-PT npw |
| 18:56 |
ricardo |
./install-code.pl pt-PT > output_install_code.pl |
| 18:56 |
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(I wonder if I also should be redirecting standard error) |
| 18:57 |
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viewing file |
| 18:57 |
pastebot |
"chris" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "generated templates" (8 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/20 |
| 18:57 |
ricardo |
Answer... Yeah... I should also redirect standard error. Let's do this... again |
| 18:57 |
pianohacker |
ricardo: if you have the xclip tool installed, you can pipe output to xclip -selection clipboard |
| 18:57 |
chris |
right that is on a fresh 3.0.x rebased to latest version |
| 18:57 |
pianohacker |
then just paste with no intermediate step |
| 18:57 |
chris |
and it created all the files |
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and those times tell me its time to catch my bus very soon |
| 18:58 |
ricardo |
chris: PANIC! |
| 18:58 |
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OK... |
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Redirecting file |
| 18:59 |
hdl |
good morning chris. |
| 19:00 |
ricardo |
(Darn AJAX console) |
| 19:00 |
pianohacker |
ahh, right, if its over ssh that trick won't work |
| 19:01 |
ricardo |
running... |
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(still running... argh) |
| 19:01 |
chris |
ok, so it works fine here on a 3.0.x up to date |
| 19:01 |
ricardo |
done! |
| 19:02 |
chris |
so we are looking for some error back before it starts making the opac-tmpl files |
| 19:02 |
ricardo |
Now let me put this somewhere visible in the web server... as a text file even... Suggestions for directory? |
| 19:02 |
chris |
and you have fetch and rebased recently? |
| 19:02 |
ricardo |
chris: Yes, today |
| 19:03 |
chris |
weird, works perfectly fine here |
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but that explains it, it was never updating the includes |
| 19:04 |
ricardo |
Repeating |
| 19:04 |
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ow let me put this somewhere visible in the web server... as a text file even... Suggestions for directory? |
| 19:04 |
chris |
no idea |
| 19:04 |
ricardo |
OK |
| 19:04 |
chris |
right gotta go, ill be back in an hour, but i suspect just grep that file for doc-head-close |
| 19:04 |
pianohacker |
you could throw it in koha |
| 19:05 |
ricardo |
pianohacker: I'll try in cgi-bin/koha |
| 19:05 |
pianohacker |
(nvm) |
| 19:05 |
chris |
dont put it in cgi-bin |
| 19:05 |
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the server will try to execute it |
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but now i really have to go |
| 19:05 |
pianohacker |
sorry, realized that wouldn't work (hitting enter accidentally a lot) |
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bye |
| 19:06 |
ricardo |
bye chris. Sorry and thanks. See you later |
| 19:29 |
brendan |
wow lots to read back through :) |
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| 19:29 |
richard |
hi |
| 19:29 |
pianohacker |
hello |
| 19:30 |
richard |
hi pianohacker |
| 19:30 |
brendan |
hi richard |
| 19:30 |
richard |
hey brenday |
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ack |
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brendan |
howdy pianohacker |
| 19:31 |
richard |
brendan, even |
| 19:31 |
brendan |
hehe |
| 19:31 |
ricardo |
Hi paul_p and richard |
| 19:31 |
pastebot |
"ricardo" at 192.168.15.101 pasted "Full output of install-code.pl pt-PT" (1352 lines) at http://paste.workbuffer.org/21 |
| 19:32 |
hdl |
bonsoir pa |
| 19:33 |
pianohacker |
ricardo: wow, that broke impressively |
| 19:35 |
ricardo |
pianohacker: That's me... "Ricardo Breakage, Inc." ;-) |
| 19:38 |
hdl |
tmpl_process3.pl: Warning: guided_reports_start.tmpl: <a2>: Anchor 2 not found for msgid " > <a1>Assistente de relatórios</a> > <a2>Relatórios guardados</a> > Relatório <em>%s</em>" Can't call method "string" on an undefined value at TmplTokenizer.pm line 983, <$handle> line 57. |
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seems to be there |
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ricardo |
hdl: OK... Let me check the PO file for that |
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ricardo |
hdl: Yep... You seem to be right |
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http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]b987b95f;hb=3.0.x |
| 19:47 |
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Lines 5632 to 5646 seem to be having problems |
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ricardo |
hdl: Actually, the output you mentioned points to lines 48137 to lines 48142 |
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Although I'm not seeing reasons for trouble |
| 19:53 |
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No... Back to square 1 |
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It's really lines 5632 tp 5638 |
| 19:54 |
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hdl: OK... I guess I'll have to correct this and submit again to Chris... |
| 19:54 |
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hdl: Not sure if it could have a side effect, but it has to be corrected. |
| 19:55 |
paul_p |
owen and nahuel are competing today on updating bugzilla... |
| 19:55 |
ricardo |
paul_p: LOL! |
| 19:55 |
owen |
paul_p: I don't think I can beat nahuel's numbers! |
| 19:55 |
paul_p |
(owen, nahuel told me he still has 30 to do, will do them tomorrow, you won't win ;-) ) |
| 19:58 |
ricardo |
Got to go... BBL, maybe |
| 19:59 |
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Bye everyone. Thanks chris , owen and hdl ! |
| 19:59 |
owen |
Bye ricardo |
| 19:59 |
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If OPACViewOthersSuggestions is ON, shouldn't I be able to see suggestions from other users? |
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| 19:59 |
owen |
There are three outstanding suggestions in the system, but I only see the one owned by the logged in user in the opac |
| 20:00 |
hdl |
owen it is the reverse |
| 20:00 |
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mmm... Yes. with OPACViewothersSuggestion ON you should be able to see those suggestions |
| 20:02 |
chris |
@later tell ricardo i generated the templates fine with the version of the .po file that is in 3.0.x |
| 20:02 |
munin` |
chris: The operation succeeded. |
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owen |
Is anyone else finding that they do no see others' purchase suggestions in the OPAC? |
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schuster |
Chris so the next time Ricardo logs in he will get this message is that what that means? |
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owen sorry we are not using that feature kids and comments probably not a good mix. |
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chris |
yeah the next time he either logs in, or if he was already logged in, the next time he said something |
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pianohacker |
hi jwagner. how are you? |
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hdl |
owen will try that. |
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owen |
hdl: I'm speaking of HEAD, by the way |
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hdl |
oh.... |
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Will test on 3.0.x soon |
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chris |
wb gmcharlt |
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* gmcharlt |
is sitting in airport again |
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chris |
ahh, on your way back to florida? |
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gmcharlt |
to Boston for a NISO meeting |
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chris |
ahhh cool |
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NCIP stuff? |
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gmcharlt |
no, just a general forum |
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chris |
ah |
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rhcl_busy |
NISO like National Information Standards Organization? |
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gmcharlt |
rhcl_busy: yes |
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rhcl_busy |
Well, RHCL is impressed. |
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schuster |
Well I'm off won't be around now until Monday again busy next 4 days. |
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hdl |
owen ok for viewOthersSuggestion on 3.0.x |
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Jo |
Mornin g all |
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pianohacker |
hi Jo |
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hdl |
good night Koha |
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pianohacker |
good night hdl |
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chris |
night hdl |
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brendan |
afternoon #koha |
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chris |
http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]ington-bungy-ride |
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brendan |
quick questions what is the encryption on the user passwords in the mysql database |
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chris |
md5_base64 |
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brendan |
cool |
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gotten close |
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happy invention of the barcode day -- I guess |
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chris |
heh |
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sekjal |
Hi, everyone. Trying IRC on the train; hoping it works smoothly |
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chris |
:) |
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brendan |
heya sekjal |
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seems smooth so far |
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sekjal |
Looks like it's working. Hey, chris and brendan |
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Tried downloading an app, but the only free one didn't like our server |
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Yay mibbit |
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I've been working on a script to push our Acquisitions orders to Accounts Payable in an EDI file |
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I'm curious, how have others marked their orders as "paid" or " ready to pay"? |
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pianohacker |
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