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| 00:21 | chris | http://www.mizstik.com/projects/koha-livecd/ |
| 00:46 | Jo | thats cool |
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| 01:05 | pianohacker1 | Hi, brendan |
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| 01:05 | brendan | heya pianohacker |
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| 01:42 | pianohacker | Good night |
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| 03:30 | Amit | hi chris brendan |
| 03:31 | good morning #koha | |
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| 03:34 | chris_n2 | g'morning Amit_G && g'night as well :-) |
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| 06:33 | Amit_G | hi nicomo, magnusenger |
| 06:33 | nicomo | hi Amit_G and #koha |
| 06:35 | magnusenger | hi Amit_G and everyone! |
| 06:56 | Ropuch | Morning |
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| 07:04 | kf | good morning |
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| 07:10 | nicomo | morning kf |
| 07:10 | kf | hi nicomo |
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| 07:12 | Amit_G | hi kf |
| 07:12 | hdl_laptop | hello |
| 07:13 | Amit_G | hi hdl |
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| 07:31 | |Lupin| | good morning koha |
| 07:34 | kf | guten morgen lupin :) |
| 07:36 | |Lupin| | hallo kf :) |
| 07:44 | chris | morning europe |
| 07:45 | kf | good evening nz ;) |
| 07:45 | |Lupin| | hi chris |
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| 08:08 | Amit_G | hi paul_p |
| 08:08 | hi lupin | |
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| 08:32 | |Lupin| | hey Amit_G |
| 08:32 | Amit_G | heya lupin |
| 09:52 | |Lupin| | does someone know a digital library that wold be witten in Perl, server-oriented with a web interface as Koha ? |
| 09:56 | cause those I found (partly thanks to you all) are often in Java or have a GUI client, which makes them not as interesting as things that wold be similar to Koha in their web-based interface | |
| 10:03 | Amit_G | anyone done biblios.net with koha |
| 10:03 | hdl_laptop | LL did |
| 10:06 | Amit_G | i have integrated with koha |
| 10:06 | but there is a problem | |
| 10:48 | magnusenger | does anyone know what the state of Koha in Russia(n) is? Use? Translation? |
| 10:50 | gmcharlt | magnusenger: Russian and Ukrainian translations were contributed a few months ago |
| 10:50 | magnusenger | gmcharlt: cool, know anything about libraries using it? |
| 10:51 | gmcharlt | magnusenger: I think at least one, but not sure who |
| 10:52 | magnusenger | ok, thanks |
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| 11:48 | Amit_G | galen: have a nice weekend |
| 11:48 | i m leaving | |
| 11:48 | gmcharlt | Amit_G: you too |
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| 12:15 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 12:15 | gmcharlt | hi chris_n |
| 12:16 | jdavidb | gmcharlt, I didn't get you pinged yesterday afternoon..ended up taking the afternoon off, and working into the wee hours (some things never change...) |
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| 12:28 | schuster | Morning all... |
| 12:29 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: heh |
| 12:29 | hi schuster | |
| 12:29 | schuster | I need to run a report showing all the holds in the system and if I can get the date the hold was placed. |
| 12:29 | jdavidb | Mornin', schuster. |
| 12:30 | gmcharlt | schuster: reseves.reservedate is when the hold was placed |
| 12:30 | schuster | So "reserves" are the same as Holds - just checking terminology. |
| 12:31 | gmcharlt | yep |
| 12:31 | schuster | ok that helps. I'm trying to start using holds again with the new hold features from NEKLS and need to probably clean out some old holds. |
| 12:33 | jdavidb | You could always brute-force it-- "TRUNCATE reserves;" :P |
| 12:33 | * jdavidb | listens for the screams. |
| 12:34 | schuster | Should have thought of that earlier this summer when I had someone go in and delete them all manually... That comes from Legacy ILS's where you never knew what would happen if you monkey'd with stuff under the hood. |
| 12:34 | gmcharlt | schuster: well, even with OSS ILSs it's still a good idea to ask before randomly truncating tables :) |
| 12:35 | jdavidb | It still can be hazardous, surely. But that one, in particular, would be relatively safe; there aren't many downline table cascades there. |
| 12:36 | It's more-often a question of "do you really want that?" than "What will this break?" Picking at the code, you can answer the second question. | |
| 12:38 | schuster | I try not to pick code - I'm still learning how it all works together! |
| 12:39 | so when I do select count(*) from reserves I get 62 - but when I do select branchcode from reserves it gives me 19 - ??? | |
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| 12:39 | jdavidb | Hm...that is odd. Is that the whole query you're using? |
| 12:39 | Morning, Owen. :) | |
| 12:40 | schuster | Ah I had a group by on there that might be it let me stretch my mind some more... Not enough coffee yet. |
| 12:40 | jdavidb | Yes, that might do it. |
| 12:41 | schuster | Yep it was the group by... whew. |
| 12:41 | jdavidb | Cool. :) |
| 12:41 | schuster | but why when I group would it eliminate some? They are in the record? how else could I sort them by branch? |
| 12:44 | Oh order by - see I'm still an sql newbie. | |
| 12:46 | I'm very proud of myself I just did a join...;) | |
| 12:55 | * owen | lols at the logs from last night: "HEY!! HEY!!!! MY SLEEPING!!!!" |
| 13:03 | * gmcharlt | nominates Kahu for Koha mascot |
| 13:17 | jwagner | gmcharlt, does that mean Kahu has to wear one of those purple alien t-shirts at all times? |
| 13:17 | gmcharlt | jwagner: no, that would be cruel ;) I'm sure we can come up with cuter Koha toddler-wear |
| 13:18 | owen | The stop words area of system administration only applies if noZebra is on, right? |
| 13:19 | gmcharlt | owen: technically, you can use them with Zebra, but there's no point |
| 13:20 | owen | I wondered if we should hide that link when noZebra was on. |
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| 13:24 | gmcharlt | owen: would make sense, or at least give an indication that it isn't applicable |
| 13:25 | owen | I guess it depends whether your "technically" is widely applicable enough to leave it? |
| 13:26 | gmcharlt | IMO- if you're using Zebra, you don't need and shouldn't configure stopwords, so I'm in favor of hiding or de-emphasizing it |
| 13:34 | * owen | notices Bugzilla is still configured to suggest emailing "gmc liblime.com" |
| 13:36 | gmcharlt | owen: good catch - I'll ping Clay about it |
| 13:43 | owen | "Library Transfer Limits?" I hadn't noticed that one before. |
| 13:44 | schuster | Well where have you been? That's been around since 3.0 but I've never figured out what it does! kidding on the first part... |
| 14:22 | kf | reserves question: my holds queue is filled with all my holds, that looks right, but my holds to pull report stays empt |
| 14:22 | y | |
| 14:23 | am i missing something? I have put items on hold which are on shelf | |
| 14:33 | owen | kf, I noticed the same thing yesterday. We always use the holds queue report, so I hadn't noticed the other one wasn't working. |
| 14:34 | kf | I thought the holds queue was all holds in the library - including holds on books that are checked out |
| 14:35 | so whats the difference between holds to pull and holds queue? | |
| 14:35 | owen: and thx for fixing my display bug! | |
| 14:36 | owen | Holds queue shouldn't include holds on things that are checked out |
| 14:37 | As far as I know there's not a report to show you *all* holds, available or not. | |
| 14:37 | We used to do a custom report on holds which hadn't been fulfilled for a certain amount of time, but that was in 2.x | |
| 14:38 | kf | thx |
| 14:39 | I think we can do it the same way. its just important to have a list of items you need to pull | |
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| 14:41 | kf | bug report for holds to pull needed? |
| 14:42 | owen | Unless someone can explain to us what we're doing wrong. I posted a message to the Koha list yesterday mentioning this issue, but no responses to that either. |
| 14:49 | kf | oh, I have not seen your mail |
| 14:54 | ah, I will test it a little bit more, perhaps I can find a way to get an item listed there | |
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| 15:00 | owen | kf: it was "Re: A few Koha holds questions" yesterday |
| 15:01 | kf | owen: thx |
| 15:02 | owen: we are testing transfers and reserves today, wanted to work on that for weeks... perhaps i can find something out | |
| 15:03 | owen | transfers and holds are still pretty buggy, unfortunately. |
| 15:04 | kf | we need reserves - hope its not too buggy to be used |
| 15:05 | owen | No, not at all |
| 15:05 | We use them a lot at my library | |
| 15:06 | But there seem to be some quirks with regard to when and how transfers are triggered. | |
| 15:06 | Nothing that prevents us from managing. | |
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| 15:18 | kf | ah ok |
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| 15:38 | nengard | hi all |
| 15:38 | I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on detail.pl and opac-detail.pl | |
| 15:39 | I was thinking Biblio.pm | |
| 15:39 | schuster | Owen - I have noticed that lately as well mainly with the items when they are returned to the loaning campus - they are not switching back to the current location library - I havn't had a chance to "test" that though. |
| 15:39 | Dealing with transfers that is. | |
| 15:40 | wizzyrea | yes there's a giant bug around transfers |
| 15:40 | 1s I"ll find it | |
| 15:40 | bug 3399 | |
| 15:40 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3399 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, gmcharltgmail.com, NEW, Item checked out - marked lost - checked in - switches status to 'lost' & checkout status switches to 'not checked out' |
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| 15:48 | jwagner | Hi Jesse |
| 15:48 | nengard | ahh pianohacker will know how to help me :) |
| 15:48 | schuster | wizzyrea - looks like a vicious cycle! |
| 15:48 | nengard | I'm wondering if someone can tell me how ot pick with *.pm file to enter a function that will be called on detail.pl and opac-detail.pl |
| 15:49 | schuster | Yes he is a smart cookie that pianohacker - and a pretty good piano player too! |
| 15:50 | pianohacker | Oh dear |
| 15:51 | chris_n | @translate "Spine Label" EN to FR |
| 15:51 | munin | chris_n: Error: 'Spine Label' is not a valid from language. Valid languages are: Chinese_simplified, Swedish, Romanian, Hindi, Dutch, Korean, Danish, Bulgarian, Chinese_traditional, French, Norwegian, Russian, Croatian, Finnish, Greek, English, Italian, Portuguese, Czech, Japanese, German, Spanish, Polish, and Arabic |
| 15:51 | chris_n | @translate French "Spine Label" |
| 15:51 | munin | chris_n: (translate <from-language> [to] <to-language> <text>) -- Returns <text> translated from <from-language> into <to-language>. Beware that translating to or from languages that use multi-byte characters may result in some very odd results. |
| 15:51 | chris_n | @translate English French "Spine Label" |
| 15:51 | munin | chris_n: Spine Label |
| 15:51 | chris_n | hehe |
| 15:52 | munin++ for being a translator as well | |
| 15:52 | munin | chris_n: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | nahuel_: What's going on? |
| 15:52 | Also, hi | |
| 15:52 | chris_n | hi pianohacker |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | Hi, chris_n |
| 15:52 | * chris_n | wonders if munin's French is really that good |
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| 15:53 | chris_n | hdl_laptop about? |
| 15:53 | hdl_laptop | yes |
| 15:53 | chris_n | does 'Spine Label' say the same in French? |
| 15:53 | hdl_laptop | No. |
| 15:54 | Etiquettes de cottes | |
| 15:54 | * chris_n | did not think so :-) |
| 15:54 | hdl_laptop | Etiquettes de cotes |
| 15:54 | chris_n | tnx |
| 15:55 | hdl_laptop | nengard: I think the Best bet be C4::Output |
| 15:55 | If it is about outputing something | |
| 15:56 | nengard | thanks hdl_laptop that was my second option :) |
| 15:56 | hdl_laptop | nengard: what was your first ? |
| 15:56 | nengard | Biblio.pm |
| 15:56 | hdl_laptop | Is it About Biblio data ? |
| 15:57 | nengard | it's pulling all of the lists a biblio can be found in to print on the detail pages |
| 15:57 | so yes | |
| 15:58 | but it's also about output | |
| 15:58 | which is why i was confused on which to pick | |
| 15:59 | pianohacker | nengard: lists as in virtualshelves? |
| 15:59 | nengard | yes |
| 16:00 | but since it was for the biblio detail page i didn't think it belonged with the virtualsehelves stuff | |
| 16:00 | so many choices!!! :) | |
| 16:00 | pianohacker | It's dealing mostly with virtualshelves, though. My vote would be for C4::VirtualShelves, whatever it's worth :) |
| 16:01 | nengard | So - in short it's mostly up to me as long as I can make the right argument for it? :) |
| 16:01 | pianohacker | Essentially |
| 16:02 | nengard | okey dokey |
| 16:07 | owen | Maybe pianohacker or some other smart Perlish person could help me with branch_transfer_limits.pl? |
| 16:08 | Right now there is a branchcode_loop which displays the table header with the branch codes | |
| 16:08 | Because it's outside the ccodes loop you can't repeat the header for each set of ccodes | |
| 16:08 | If you've scrolled to the bottom of the page you can't see the table header anymore | |
| 16:09 | But I'm not sure how to get branchcode_loop nested properly inside codes_loop so it can repeat | |
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| 16:12 | pianohacker | It doesn't have to be |
| 16:13 | Since the branchcode_loop is global, you can reference it inside ccode_loop | |
| 16:16 | owen | It doesn't work when I move the <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="branchcode_loop" --> inside <!-- TMPL_LOOP NAME="codes_loop" --> |
| 16:18 | pianohacker | What does it do? |
| 16:18 | owen | I get no output from branchcode_loop |
| 16:19 | pianohacker | Would it be possible to pastebin exactly what you get from View Source? It's possible the template and firefox are interacting in strange ways |
| 16:22 | owen | There's really nothing to see... There is simply no output from branchcode_loop |
| 16:22 | <!-- branchcode_loop begins here --> | |
| 16:22 | <!-- branchcode loop ends here --> | |
| 16:23 | pianohacker | Let me take a look at the Perl. It really shouldn't be doing that |
| 16:24 | kf | @translate German English "Spine" |
| 16:24 | munin | kf: Spine |
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| 16:34 | chris_n | munin needs to got to a librarian linguistics class |
| 16:34 | munin | chris_n: I suck |
| 16:34 | chris_n | no munin, you just need to be enlightened about a few things... ;-) |
| 16:36 | pianohacker | owen: I found a way to do it (kind of a cheat) |
| 16:36 | use to_branch_loop instead of branchcode_loop | |
| 16:36 | schuster | munin must be American it doesn't know another language... like most other Americans... |
| 16:36 | munin | schuster: downloading the Perl source |
| 16:37 | owen | pianohacker: that makes sense. do you know why using branchcode_loop wasn't working, out of curiosity? |
| 16:38 | pianohacker | I don't have the faintest idea. |
| 16:38 | owen | Thanks for taking a look! |
| 16:38 | pianohacker++ | |
| 16:38 | pianohacker | That really needs a half-karma, for half-solving the problem, but thank you |
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| 17:52 | Sharon | howdy. |
| 17:53 | Any harm in leaving KohaAdminEmailAddress blank? Will koha pull email addresses from the Branches table? | |
| 17:53 | chris_n | hi Sharon |
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| 18:01 | joetho | sharon |
| 18:01 | i will try that on my test server if you try it on yours. | |
| 18:01 | with and w/o independent branches turned on. | |
| 18:02 | speaking of which, I don't recall ever talking about OD email notices from a test server. | |
| 18:02 | Hmmm. | |
| 18:02 | wizzyrea | holy moly, can you imagine |
| 18:02 | with old data | |
| 18:03 | everybody would get OD notices | |
| 18:03 | joetho | there are a whole lot of OD items in mine |
| 18:03 | wizzyrea | 99.9% sure that email is off for our test server |
| 18:03 | joetho | tell Sharon to turn it back on |
| 18:03 | at 4:59 this afternoon | |
| 18:04 | So testing there won't work, hopefully. | |
| 18:04 | I can try it on our production server- that admin mail goes to me and there is never any. | |
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| 19:28 | Sharon | Question: shouldn't lifting the debarrment on a patron immediately allow them to check out materials regardless of their fine level? |
| 19:32 | owen | debarrment is separate from blocks related to fines, though |
| 19:32 | debarrment is a simple flag on the account | |
| 19:32 | blocks related to fines are governed by other rules | |
| 19:33 | Of course that doesn't answer the "should" question in the abstract sense | |
| 19:36 | Sharon | So is there a way to lift a fine debarment without removing the fines. |
| 19:37 | other than putting in a bogus manual payment/invoice. | |
| 19:38 | wizzyrea | was that a philosophical choice, i.e. working as intended, or something that just was overlooked? |
| 19:40 | owen | I'm not sure, because we don't use fines... In fact maybe I'm wrong altogether. I can't find where the fines threshold is set |
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| 19:41 | wizzyrea | from our testing it would appear that you are correct |
| 19:41 | :) | |
| 19:41 | owen | But are your patrons being debarred because a cron job is looking at their fines, or are checkouts being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels? |
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| 19:48 | chris | morning |
| 19:48 | rhcl3 | chris |
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| 20:03 | owen | What would be the purpose of "select all" on the library transfer limits page? (admin/branch_transfer_limits.pl) |
| 20:03 | Wouldn't that be in effect independentbranches? | |
| 20:07 | cait | perhaps make it easier to configure if you just want to deselect a few |
| 20:11 | owen | Hmm... maybe. But if your library has 45 collection codes like we do it seems impractical to have it check all for each collection code set |
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| 20:11 | * chris_n | cheers as the installer passes tests on both new and upgrade installs of new labels stuff |
| 20:12 | cait | :) |
| 20:13 | chris_n | chris about? |
| 20:14 | chris | yep |
| 20:15 | chris_n | chris: can I gain any mileage (kilometerage) by formating patches against the origin which is the current HEAD rather than against origin/3.0.x which is what I developed over? |
| 20:15 | * chris_n | hopes that makes sense.. 8-S |
| 20:16 | chris | yep, if you do that they will be able to go into 3.2 |
| 20:17 | so what i would do | |
| 20:17 | is create a branch off origin/master | |
| 20:17 | cherry-pick your commits to it | |
| 20:17 | and format you patches therer | |
| 20:18 | chris_n | k |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | owen: checkouts are being blocked (regardless of debarrment) because of fines levels |
| 20:18 | sorry, drama here *eyeroll* | |
| 20:19 | owen | wizzyrea: Where did you set the fine level which is blocking the checkout? |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | 15 bucks |
| 20:20 | chris | yeah the 2 things work independently |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | (I know... why would you want to temporarily lift a debarment for a patron who owes over 15 bucks in fines) |
| 20:20 | chris | patrons can be debarred for all sorts of reasons |
| 20:20 | owen | I mean where did you enter the $15 value? I don't even know what part of Koha sets that |
| 20:20 | chris | i think there is a syspref that allows you to override the fines block tho |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | Yea, but we want that |
| 20:21 | pianohackr|work | noissuescharge, I think is the syspref |
| 20:21 | wizzyrea | PHW: yea, I think that's right |
| 20:21 | owen | Thank you pianohackr|work. Of course I was searching for a "fine" pref :| |
| 20:21 | pianohackr|work | That would be too easy |
| 20:22 | wizzyrea | chris: so, concieveably, you could have the following situation: A patron gets debarred for excessive overdues, and also for fines. You can lift the debarment for overdues, but the fines debarment stands |
| 20:22 | chris | exactly |
| 20:22 | or they are debarred cos they punch some kid | |
| 20:22 | and have no fines | |
| 20:22 | owen | There seems to be everything but a fines override syspref |
| 20:22 | chris | :) |
| 20:22 | there debarred is just a flag | |
| 20:22 | owen | AllowHoldPolicyOverride, AllowNotForLoanOverride, AllowRenewalLimitOverride |
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| 20:23 | chris | wizzyrea: you dont need to debarr someone for massive fines, cos the noissuecharge stops them issuing |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | so... is that a philosophical feature omission or an accidental one |
| 20:23 | pianohackr|work | I wrote a fines limit override, controlled by granular permission, for PTFS; it should be heading to the patches list fairly soon |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | PHW: you are always saving our bacon |
| 20:24 | owen | Don't save it up too long, it doesn't keep! |
| 20:24 | wizzyrea | oh, we crumble it up and put it in mayonnaise and put it with kansas summer tomatoes |
| 20:24 | chris | basically debar is for when there isnt another way ... if that makes sense |
| 20:25 | wizzyrea | chris, sure that makes sense |
| 20:25 | chris: also though, they want to be able to temporarily override the fines debarment (say, a patron lost an expensive book and is making payments or somesuch) | |
| 20:26 | chris | yep, you wouldnt set the debarment in that case, you would let the noissuescharge catch them, and then use jesses new fines limit override |
| 20:26 | if you set the debar flagged, you would have go unset that, and then still use the fines limit override | |
| 20:27 | pianohackr|work | Also, that same code will allow you (if you're very very nitpicky) to not give fines limit override permissions to your circ clerks, give them to a circ manager, and use a temporary override login to override fine limits |
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| 20:27 | chris | debar flag is for when you want to stop someone, who otherwise koha would let borrow |
| 20:29 | * owen | read "circ clerks" as "circle jerks." Must be time to go home! |
| 20:29 | owen | have a good weekend everyone! |
| 20:29 | pianohackr|work | Gah |
| 20:29 | owen left #koha | |
| 20:29 | pianohackr|work | Get back here |
| 20:30 | owen-- | |
| 20:30 | rhcl | bacon http://www.kansascity.com/938/[…]lery/1316725.html# |
| 20:31 | pianohackr|work | bacon http://xkcd.com/418/ |
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| 20:39 | wizzyrea | chris: right... our people seem to think that it's confusticating |
| 20:39 | but I see what you mean | |
| 20:41 | chris | *nod* |
| 20:42 | seriously ppl do use it cos the kid punched another kid in the face etc | |
| 20:42 | random things like that | |
| 20:42 | not for excessive fines | |
| 20:46 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: is it possible to send some more patches for biblibre-integration ? |
| 20:46 | Woulr it be possible for me to push on it ? | |
| 20:46 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: go for it |
| 20:46 | hdl_laptop | ok. |
| 20:46 | thanks | |
| 20:47 | wizzyrea | chris I can only imagine what people get debarred for. I"m sure sharon has some good stories about kicking people out of the library. |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: that is, sending patches, not pushing, though I can do a pull request from you if you want |
| 20:47 | Sharon | fighting in the parking lot |
| 20:47 | hdl_laptop | Not really wanting it. |
| 20:47 | Sharon | i had to debar the boyfriend of one of my employees |
| 20:48 | hdl_laptop | git send-email would be better. |
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| 20:48 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: ok |
| 20:48 | nengard | you guys are in scary libraries ;) |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | Sharon: ever have to debar any debarred lawyers? |
| 20:49 | Sharon | lol nope. |
| 20:49 | * wizzyrea | plays the rimshot |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | nengard: regarding bug 1001 |
| 20:49 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1001 normal, P2, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, CLOSED LATER, Issuing Rules Error |
| 20:50 | gmcharlt | nengard: rather, bug 1003 |
| 20:50 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, P2, ---, nengardgmail.com, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view |
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| 20:50 | gmcharlt | perhaps - "this bib is in the following lists..." |
| 20:50 | nengard | that's even more wordy than what i had :) |
| 20:50 | I had 'List(s) this item appear in:" | |
| 20:51 | I also considered "List(s):" | |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | but it flows better :) |
| 20:51 | nengard | any other suggestions from others? |
| 20:51 | * nengard | shakes fist at gmcharlt |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | ;) |
| 20:51 | nengard | hehe |
| 20:52 | Sharon or wizzyrea any preference from those in a library? | |
| 20:52 | cait | on |
| 20:52 | in lists? | |
| 20:52 | gmcharlt | "Lists found in"? |
| 20:52 | nengard | gmcharlt that works |
| 20:53 | Sharon | let me catch up, just a second |
| 20:54 | wizzyrea | hrm |
| 20:55 | chris | can just say i hate the word lists, its way to ambigious |
| 20:56 | nengard | hehe |
| 20:56 | you can say it - but i think it's meant to be ambigious | |
| 20:56 | chris | what lists |
| 20:56 | nengard | yes |
| 20:56 | brendan | chris it's saturday morning for you -- you're not allowed to say anything |
| 20:56 | chris | which lists |
| 20:56 | * nengard | laughs at brendan |
| 20:57 | chris | for someone new to koha, id be all, wtf lists are you talking about? my list of reports? my holds queue list? what?? |
| 20:57 | nengard | what would you call it instead? |
| 20:57 | not that I'm saying we should change it :) | |
| 20:58 | chris | it needs another word |
| 20:58 | or words | |
| 20:58 | pianohackr|work | find -name '*.tmpl' | xargs sed -i -e 's/Lists/Computer-managed lists of books which can be used to organize them/g' |
| 20:58 | Howzabout that? | |
| 20:59 | nengard | we're getting off track - so right now I'm using "List(s) found in" |
| 20:59 | are enough people okay with that? | |
| 20:59 | wizzyrea | lol STAY ON TARGET |
| 20:59 | :D | |
| 21:00 | Related Lists? | |
| 21:00 | nengard | they're not related ... necessarily |
| 21:00 | what if your list is of favorite books | |
| 21:00 | wizzyrea | well... they're related because they have the same book in common |
| 21:00 | item | |
| 21:00 | bib | |
| 21:01 | thignie | |
| 21:01 | nengard | hey - what does amazon say? |
| 21:01 | off to check :) | |
| 21:01 | btw i love how bibliocommons does it: http://opl.bibliocommons.com/i[…]w/669044001_bears | |
| 21:01 | but we don't have room for another column | |
| 21:02 | gmcharlt | nengard: but does suggest wording - "Lists that include this title" :) |
| 21:02 | chris | see |
| 21:02 | nengard | it's long - but i'd use it if you're all okay with it |
| 21:02 | chris | they say collection in one place |
| 21:02 | and lists in another | |
| 21:02 | as translation manager ... that sux | |
| 21:02 | nengard | cause they're two diff things - aren't they? |
| 21:03 | they have add to MY COLLECTION and SAVE TO A LIST | |
| 21:03 | chris | isnt a collection just a private list |
| 21:03 | nengard | no clue :) might be like LibraryThing |
| 21:03 | or a private list | |
| 21:04 | chris | collections is better than lists i think |
| 21:04 | nengard | dinner is ready - or so the barking tells me :) I'll use the final one we came up with --- Chris but then we connect to collection codes |
| 21:04 | wizzyrea | listmania |
| 21:04 | gmcharlt | which would be confusing |
| 21:04 | chris | what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway? |
| 21:04 | * nengard | eating dinner |
| 21:07 | wizzyrea | I was thinking something about collections too but... collection has way too many contexts |
| 21:07 | chris | ditto lists |
| 21:08 | wizzyrea | engrish... is... failing... me... |
| 21:08 | may.... require... beer... | |
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| 21:10 | * brendan | enjoys watching open source discussions sometimes -- that was just an interesting one :) |
| 21:10 | chris | oh its not finished :-) |
| 21:11 | ill live with the word lists, but i still contend its way hard to translate | |
| 21:11 | brendan | *agreed* |
| 21:11 | chris | cos its way way too ambigious |
| 21:11 | it needs context | |
| 21:11 | brendan | I'm not a fan of cart |
| 21:11 | chris | yeah, thats all a bit ecommercey |
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| 21:13 | wizzyrea | perhaps another language could inform our english translation |
| 21:13 | chris | lemme look |
| 21:14 | * wizzyrea | likes grasping for straws |
| 21:14 | chris | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.org/ |
| 21:14 | you can change that to different languages down the bottom | |
| 21:14 | most have gone for literal translations | |
| 21:16 | thus carrying the confusion forward :-) | |
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| 21:22 | pianohackr|work | What about the old standby Virtual Shelves? |
| 21:22 | chris | 09:07 < chris> what was wrong with virtual shelves anyway? |
| 21:22 | :) | |
| 21:22 | im sure there must have been some reason we changed? | |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | ok... what if the users make lists |
| 21:23 | librarians make virtual shelves | |
| 21:23 | chris | that might work |
| 21:23 | pianohackr|work | chris: right, missed that |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | i mean, the context of list for a *patron* is "it's a list of stuff I want to remember" |
| 21:23 | chris | yep |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | for a librarian it's the virtual equiv. of (example) the endcap of a shelf |
| 21:24 | pianohackr|work | I think the benefits of that difference might actually outweigh any confusion caused by it |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | highlighted items |
| 21:24 | chris | another possibility |
| 21:24 | would be a tooltip | |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | true, a mouseover explanation might be useful |
| 21:24 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:25 | that actually might be the easiest solution | |
| 21:26 | * nengard | back |
| 21:27 | wizzyrea | example: here's a patron who made a public list, it's very amazon-y http://catalog.nexpresslibrary[…].pl?viewshelf=165 |
| 21:27 | kind of like a reading wishlist? | |
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| 21:29 | chris | yeah |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | maybe it would be better to do something like the following: create the lists from the tags |
| 21:30 | why have two functions? | |
| 21:30 | chris | hmmm |
| 21:30 | from the carts? | |
| 21:31 | you mean ? | |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | I'm thinking we already have public and private tags |
| 21:31 | and public and private lists | |
| 21:32 | why not consolidate into just tags, and have a display that shows, in brief format like the lists display, all items tagged alike | |
| 21:32 | so RAZ's scifi list would be tagged RAZ_SCIFI | |
| 21:32 | or something | |
| 21:33 | chris | oh, hmm might make the tag cloud messy |
| 21:33 | tho does anyone ever use them? | |
| 21:33 | (i know i dont) | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | true... but... tag clouds are supposed to be messy, imo |
| 21:34 | chris | interesting idea, i quite like it |
| 21:34 | Sharon | our children's librarians are making an effort to use the tagging to share storytime titles with each other |
| 21:34 | chris | well seems ppl are already doing it too :) |
| 21:35 | as a parent, anything to make more storytimes is great by me :) | |
| 21:35 | specially if the library has a cafe like WCL | |
| 21:35 | here ... read my kid a story... ill be over there drinking coffee kthxbye | |
| 21:39 | nengard | patch submitted for bug 1003 |
| 21:39 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1003 enhancement, PATCH-Sent, ---, nengardgmail.com, NEW, Show what Lists the title is on in detail view |
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| 21:40 | gmcharlt | nengard++ |
| 21:40 | nengard | couldn't have done it without chris and pianohacker! |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | but think about that combination, I will happily do a mock up of it, I think it might be an improvement of lists/tags |
| 21:42 | but maybe not | |
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| 21:45 | chris | worth doing a mockup wizzyrea, we can whack up a quick prototype .. see if it flies |
| 21:45 | gmcharlt | only if you whack it from the bottom, not the top |
| 21:45 | chris | heh |
| 21:45 | nengard | wizzyrea and chris I'm reading back - but I think we still need both |
| 21:46 | tags and lists | |
| 21:46 | because so many peopel don't get tags | |
| 21:46 | chris | i think this last week is one of the most patchiest weeks ever |
| 21:46 | nengard | also - librarything started out with just tags and added collections cause of popular demand |
| 21:46 | chris | nengard: maybe just the tooltip mouseover then |
| 21:47 | nengard | even flickr has both - sets and tags ... it's just the way things are :) |
| 21:47 | chris | sets |
| 21:47 | i like sets better than lists | |
| 21:47 | :) | |
| 21:47 | nengard | hehe |
| 21:48 | chris | but im actually leaning towards just having contextual help, like a mouseover so ppl know what it is |
| 21:48 | nengard | know what what is? lists or tags? |
| 21:48 | or both? | |
| 21:48 | chris | both |
| 21:49 | everything in fact | |
| 21:49 | nengard | hmmm |
| 21:49 | chris | :) |
| 21:49 | nengard | seems a bit overkill |
| 21:50 | chris | well if we cant find a word that isnt ambigious, seems the next best thing |
| 21:51 | or we could just have help on the opac too | |
| 21:52 | but no one ever clicks on that irl | |
| 21:52 | or at least not the people who need help :) | |
| 21:55 | nengard | hehe |
| 21:56 | pianohackr|work | sets++ |
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| 22:00 | chris | ok, time for gymnastics |
| 22:00 | have good weekends all | |
| 22:01 | nengard | i'm logging off too |
| 22:01 | time to try and relax a bit | |
| 22:01 | ttyl | |
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| 22:09 | hdl_laptop | going to bed |
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| 22:54 | |Lupin| | goodnight everybody |
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| 23:00 | pianohackr|work | Hello, Jane |
| 23:01 | jwagner | Hi Jesse |
| 23:01 | Working late :-( | |
| 23:01 | pianohackr|work | How's the wonderful world of testing going? |
| 23:01 | jwagner | Grrrrrrr |
| 23:06 | pianohackr|work | Bye for now |
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