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| 02:12 | baseballfreak47 | Hello I was wondering if someone could walk me through installing apache i cant sem to figure it out |
| 02:18 | pianohacker1 joined #koha | |
| 02:18 | baseballfreak47 | Hey piano hacker |
| 02:18 | pianohacker1 | Hello |
| 02:19 | baseballfreak47 | do you think ou could walk me through installing apache |
| 02:19 | pianohacker1 | Umm, perhaps. Do you have linux installed? |
| 02:19 | baseballfreak47 | yes |
| 02:19 | ubuntu | |
| 02:19 | if you dont want to right now thats fine | |
| 02:20 | pianohacker1 | Okay, so it's easy. Go to Applications -> Accessories -Open a Terminal, then type in "sudo apt-get install apache2" (without the quotes), then hit Enter |
| 02:20 | Sorry, Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal | |
| 02:20 | baseballfreak47 | oh okay thanks |
| 02:21 | wow that wwas easy | |
| 02:21 | pianohacker1 | Yup |
| 02:21 | baseballfreak47 | okay random questiopn here |
| 02:21 | pianohacker1 | Shoot |
| 02:22 | baseballfreak47 | so i have ubuntu installed on the same hd as windows xp and when ubuntu did the partitionaing it gave windows 50gb and ubuntu 7 mb more than it needed for install how do i fix this? |
| 02:25 | :) | |
| 02:25 | pianohacker1 | You can install a partition editor |
| 02:25 | (sorry, distracted) | |
| 02:25 | baseballfreak47 | lol your fine |
| 02:25 | pianohacker1 | From Applications -> Add/Remove Programs |
| 02:25 | Might also be called gparted | |
| 02:26 | Actually, nevermind | |
| 02:26 | baseballfreak47 | okay thanks |
| 02:26 | oh ok | |
| 02:26 | srry back to apache real quickis there anything else i need to do after that? | |
| 02:27 | pianohacker1 | You'd want to resize the partitions using your installation CD (when you've booted up the CD, there's a Partition Editor in System -> Administration ) |
| 02:27 | (There's other Koha install stuff, yes) | |
| 02:27 | But Apache's done | |
| 02:27 | baseballfreak47 | okay thanks |
| 02:28 | okay so put in my ubuntu install disk and go to administration ill go do that and be back in a bit | |
| 02:28 | pianohacker1 | Just remembered that you do _not_ want to resize your Ubuntu partition when you're booted into that same Ubuntu |
| 02:28 | Good luck | |
| 02:28 | baseballfreak47 | THANK YOU SO MUCH i would be lost without you guys |
| 02:28 | pianohacker1 | Not a problem, happy to help |
| 02:28 | baseballfreak47 | wait srry on your last thing what do you mean? |
| 02:29 | pianohacker1 | It'd be like trying to change a tire on a bike while you were riding it |
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| 03:12 | pianohacker1 | Good night |
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| 04:59 | baseballfreak47 | hey |
| 04:59 | I was wondering if someone could give me the command to instal apache again | |
| 04:59 | i switched hd and lost it | |
| 05:02 | pianohacker1: you on? | |
| 05:17 | hey could someone walk me through installing mysql | |
| 05:18 | brendan | hey baseballfreak47 which type of Linux you on? |
| 05:19 | baseballfreak47 | ubuntu |
| 05:20 | srry real quick do i need apache mysql and pearl or just one? | |
| 05:20 | brendan | perl should already come as part of linux |
| 05:20 | you need mysql and you need apache | |
| 05:20 | baseballfreak47 | okay thanks |
| 05:20 | brendan | koha is built on a LAMP stack -- linux apache mysql perl |
| 05:21 | apt-get install apache2 | |
| 05:21 | baseballfreak47 | already got that haha i googled it |
| 05:21 | and then for mysql? | |
| 05:21 | brendan | apt-get install mysql-server |
| 05:21 | baseballfreak47 | haha thats easy enough thanks |
| 05:22 | so once i install mysql download koha will it tell me what to do? | |
| 05:22 | brendan | sure -- I'd go ahead and review the ubuntu install instructions |
| 05:23 | once you download koha -- there should be an install file that appears in the koha dir | |
| 05:23 | baseballfreak47 | hey real quick so i type that into the terminal and it says, "Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root?" |
| 05:24 | any suggestions | |
| 05:24 | brendan | sudo apt-get install |
| 05:24 | so you'll need to use the sudo command -- | |
| 05:24 | baseballfreak47 | i knew that my bad |
| 05:24 | thanks | |
| 05:24 | brendan | su - root |
| 05:25 | then edit the /etc/sudoers file | |
| 05:25 | ok cool :) | |
| 05:25 | baseballfreak47 | oh now your over my head |
| 05:25 | i got it to start | |
| 05:28 | Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) E: Unable to lock the download directory | |
| 05:28 | idk what that means | |
| 05:30 | brendan: you there? | |
| 05:30 | brendan | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]a7cdd9d47;hb=HEAD |
| 05:30 | those should help you out | |
| 05:30 | baseballfreak47 | oh okay thanks |
| 05:31 | oh my goodness thank you SO MUCH | |
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| 05:52 | baseballfreak47 | okay so i need some help any one there? |
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| 06:49 | Ropuch | Morning |
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| 07:27 | |Lupin| | hi there |
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| 07:49 | chris | hi |
| 08:26 | |Lupin| | hello chris |
| 08:26 | chris | still on vacation |Lupin| ? |
| 08:27 | |Lupin| | chris: yes, till monday |
| 08:27 | chris: it's winter for you I guess, so no vacation ? | |
| 08:27 | chris | nope, not until october |
| 08:35 | |Lupin| | k |
| 08:37 | chris: there was a bug report about the system prererences calles something like opacBaseURL and intranetBaseURL, it is planned to remove them completely. I can't remember the bug number and have no access to the machine where it is stored. I added a comment to it and I'm wondering what your opinion is abut this... | |
| 08:37 | chris | aahh the opacBaseURL one won't be removed |
| 08:37 | there is a new feature, to show a preview of the opac (in the intranet, so staff can see what an item would look like) | |
| 08:37 | that depends on it | |
| 08:38 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, good to know |
| 08:39 | chris: however last time I checked the opacBaseURL feature was not working. Roughly speaking the only reference to it I could find was its definition and it was not used anywhere else in the code | |
| 08:40 | chris | yep, it is being used now |
| 08:40 | as of about a week ago | |
| 08:41 | |Lupin| | oh it's so great |
| 08:41 | so it's back you mean, right ? | |
| 08:41 | chris | well its being used in once place in the code now |
| 08:41 | |Lupin| | i.e. it was there, then it was removed, then restored. It this the correct story ? |
| 08:42 | chris | im not sure it was ever used in the code |
| 08:42 | but i can see lots of uses of it | |
| 08:42 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, but assuming the syspref is given a value, would all the URLs generated in OPAC take this value into account ? |
| 08:42 | chris | no |
| 08:42 | only the new feature does | |
| 08:42 | |Lupin| | chris: ok |
| 08:43 | chris | someone would have to go through and add it |
| 08:43 | |Lupin| | chris: and do you know what the plans are regarding this ? is there a lot of work to do to achieve this state ? is someone responsible of it ? |
| 08:44 | chris | lots of work, no one is planning to do it afaik |
| 08:44 | |Lupin| | chris: ok. What kind of modificaiton is required ? I assume it's not at the template level, is it ? |
| 08:44 | chris | yes |
| 08:44 | lots at the template level | |
| 08:44 | and a few lines of change to C4::Auth | |
| 08:45 | so that the value is passed to all the templates | |
| 08:45 | |Lupin| | actually I'd really need this feature... I assume it is not possible to achieve the same result by means of apache rerite rules or so |
| 08:45 | chris | but 99% of the work would be at the template level |
| 08:45 | yes it is achievable using mod_rewrite | |
| 08:45 | |Lupin| | chris: ok. and do you think it could be automated, at least partly ? |
| 08:46 | chris | nope |
| 08:46 | |Lupin| | chris: ok |
| 08:46 | chris | (automated using mod_rewrite you mean?) |
| 08:46 | |Lupin| | chris: I assume the situation is almost similar for the intranet ? |
| 08:46 | chris | or automated changing the templates? |
| 08:47 | |Lupin| | chris: no, I meant automating the modificaiton of the templates |
| 08:47 | chris | yeah that could be |
| 08:48 | using sed | |
| 08:49 | |Lupin| | chris: yeah that's what I had in mind |
| 08:49 | chris: apart the <a > tags, what else should be modfied ? | |
| 08:49 | chris | probably all the <img ones |
| 08:50 | |Lupin| | (I wondering whether it wouldn't be possible to associate a base URL to each template with respect to which all the otherws would be interpreted... ? |
| 08:50 | chris | and script and js |
| 08:50 | |Lupin| | chris: k |
| 08:50 | chris | nope, doesnt really work like that |
| 08:50 | the links are absolute | |
| 08:50 | ie /cgi-bin/koha/something.pl for eg | |
| 08:51 | they would all need to become "<!-- TMPL_VAR NAME="baseurl" -->/cgi-bin/koha/something.pl" | |
| 08:51 | baseballfreak47 | hey guys quick question |
| 08:52 | |Lupin| | chris: /me takes notes :-) |
| 08:53 | chris | assuming baseurl was what C4::Auth passes |
| 08:53 | baseballfreak47 | hey guys i have a ? when you get a chance |
| 08:54 | chris | just ask it baseballfreak47 ... irc is best when you just ask the question rather than asking to ask :) |
| 08:54 | baseballfreak47 | okay srry i just didnt want to interupt thanks for the tip |
| 08:54 | so im using a step by step to install koha on ubuntu | |
| 08:54 | and this is what it tells me, " 72 Using the ubuntu.packages file included in the Koha source tree, 73 run the following: 74 75 $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages 76 77 Now start dselect (you may need to 'sudo apt-get install dselect'): 78 79 $ sudo dselect 80 81 Choose [I]nstall and accept pac | |
| 08:55 | Choose [I]nstall and accept packages to be installed (hit return) 82 83 (may take a while) 84 85 Choose [C]onfigure, [R]emove and [Q]uit until dselect has | |
| 08:56 | and im a little confused if someone coulld give me a hand that would be great | |
| 08:56 | chris | hmmm not sure i can do much more than repeat that im afraid |
| 08:57 | baseballfreak47 | haha |
| 08:57 | um let me try to make it more direct | |
| 08:57 | |Lupin| | chris: k, written what you said. I may work on this. |
| 08:57 | chris | cool |
| 08:58 | baseballfreak47 | so right after the # 75 where it says $ sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages do i put that into the command box? |
| 08:58 | chris | yes |
| 08:58 | not the $ | |
| 08:58 | but the rest | |
| 08:58 | baseballfreak47 | oh okay thanks |
| 08:58 | chris | anything starting with $ means do it at the commandline |
| 08:59 | baseballfreak47 | oh okay |
| 08:59 | so i did that and it told me "bash: install_misc/ubuntu.packages: No such file or directory" | |
| 09:00 | |Lupin| | chris: when you mentionned js, what did you mean ? Is there something else than <script > to think about ? |
| 09:00 | baseballfreak47: as a ./ infront of the command | |
| 09:00 | baseballfreak47: ./install_misc/ubuntu.packages | |
| 09:00 | chris | nope thats not right |
| 09:01 | have you downloaded koha (either via git, or got a tarball) ? | |
| 09:01 | baseballfreak47 | yes i have |
| 09:01 | chris | |Lupin|: there might be images or urls hardcoded in the js or css, not sure though |
| 09:01 | baseballfreak47: right cd into there first | |
| 09:02 | then run that line again | |
| 09:02 | baseballfreak47 | so it should look like $ cd sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages |
| 09:02 | |Lupin| | chris: ah I see. |
| 09:03 | baseballfreak47 | ? |
| 09:03 | must be wrong didnt work | |
| 09:04 | chris | no |
| 09:04 | how did you download koha? | |
| 09:06 | baseballfreak47 | $ wget http://download.koha.org/koha-3.00.02.tar.gz |
| 09:07 | chris | right so |
| 09:07 | cd koha-3.00.02 | |
| 09:07 | baseballfreak47 | what do i do with that? (Im totally over my head here thanks for the help) |
| 09:07 | put that before the line | |
| 09:08 | $ cd koha-3.00.02 sudo dpkg --set-selections < install_misc/ubuntu.packages | |
| 09:08 | chris | do that line, hit return |
| 09:08 | no, not on the same line | |
| 09:08 | run that command | |
| 09:08 | baseballfreak47 | oh i see |
| 09:08 | gotcha | |
| 09:09 | so i type in cd koha-3.00.02 and press return | |
| 09:09 | then... | |
| 09:10 | chris | the sudo dpkg line |
| 09:11 | baseballfreak47 | it tells me no such file |
| 09:11 | after the line that starts with cd | |
| 09:13 | chris | hmm, im sorry i have to go now, but have you done the tar xzvf line? |
| 09:13 | * chris | wanders off for some family time |
| 09:13 | baseballfreak47 | idk |
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| 09:13 | baseballfreak47 | thank you for your help |
| 09:13 | jw what time is it there? | |
| 09:14 | Ropuch | Depends of "there", 11:14 a.m. here ;> |
| 09:14 | baseballfreak47 | wow |
| 09:14 | its 2:15 am where i am | |
| 09:14 | i think i might have some insomniac tendencys haha | |
| 09:15 | Ropuch | Insomniacs start past 5am ;> |
| 09:15 | baseballfreak47 | oh haha |
| 09:15 | as you can see i also cant spell | |
| 09:16 | Ropuch | Frankly i did'nt notice |
| 09:16 | baseballfreak47 | oh haha |
| 09:17 | well have funn with your family | |
| 09:17 | Ropuch | I believe that was adressed to chris ;> |
| 09:18 | baseballfreak47 | oh wow i totally didnt realize it switched people |
| 09:18 | lol | |
| 09:18 | Ropuch | hehehe |
| 09:18 | baseballfreak47 | im clueless |
| 09:18 | Ropuch | Or tired, but it's your choice ;> |
| 09:19 | baseballfreak47 | lol |
| 09:19 | surprisingly im not tired | |
| 09:19 | or maybe im so tired i cant tell that im tired | |
| 09:20 | jw where r u? | |
| 09:20 | Ropuch: Im gonna go hang out with my sister ttyl | |
| 09:21 | Ropuch | Me? I'm in Poland |
| 09:21 | Well, good luck then with all your tty's ;> | |
| 09:24 | baseballfreak47 | haha im back |
| 09:24 | oh cool Poland | |
| 09:24 | Im in the US | |
| 09:24 | Washington | |
| 09:25 | im rebooting cuz im upgrading the ram on my comp | |
| 09:25 | c ya | |
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| 09:55 | |Lupin| | gotta go |
| 09:55 | bye everybody | |
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| 12:06 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
| 12:06 | munin | greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0�C (5:10 PM IST on August 22, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
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| 12:58 | Shtirlits | @wunder copenhagen |
| 12:58 | munin | Shtirlits: Error: No such location could be found. |
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| 19:49 | brendan | good afternoon #koha |
| 19:50 | pianohacker | Good afternoon, brendan |
| 19:50 | brendan | heya pianohacker |
| 19:50 | up to anything fun? | |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | Not really. Trying to figure out why our little NAS isn't responding, trying to set up remote access for another client and failing |
| 19:51 | All great fun | |
| 19:51 | Shtirlits | guys, anybody know where u can get koha 3.0 manual as a pdf or something? |
| 19:51 | pianohacker is now known as pianohacker|wor | |
| 19:51 | pianohacker|wor is now known as pianohackr|work | |
| 19:51 | brendan | I don't think you can get it as a pdf |
| 19:52 | just the web stuff | |
| 19:52 | pianohackr|work | PDF, not sure, but there was a recent post to the mailing list detailing how to download the whole thing in one shot |
| 19:52 | Shtirlits | hmmm mailing list |
| 19:53 | pianohackr|work | Shtirlits: Here's the link: http://koha.org/documentation/[…]emanual-all-pages (but do not click on it unless you have some time for it to load) |
| 19:54 | Shtirlits | well |
| 19:54 | it doesn't show images | |
| 19:54 | images show as broken links | |
| 19:54 | thats why i was searching for premade | |
| 19:54 | i use chrome | |
| 19:58 | okay, at least I found a thread about it in the mailing list archive | |
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| 19:59 | |Lupin| | good evening |
| 20:00 | chris | yeah it's currently broken |
| 20:00 | Shtirlits | oookay |
| 20:00 | yea, thats what the mailing list say | |
| 20:00 | chris | unfortunately no one here can fix it |
| 20:01 | as we don't have access to the site | |
| 20:01 | Shtirlits | i suppose |
| 20:01 | Okay - it looks like a bug in Plone :( I'll see what I find to solve | |
| 20:01 | this issue - but for now you might just want to print the sections of | |
| 20:01 | the manual you want - each one works individually. | |
| 20:01 | --- | |
| 20:01 | Nicole C. Engard | |
| 20:01 | Tue Jul 7 04:57:41 NZST 2009 | |
| 20:02 | chris | yep |
| 20:02 | she can't fix it either | |
| 20:11 | |Lupin| | anyone knows who is the drupal expert at biblibre, pls ? |
| 20:14 | k, will see this on monday. good night everybody ! | |
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| 20:20 | chris | hi jwagner |
| 20:20 | pianohackr|work | Hola jwagner |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | hi #koha |
| 20:20 | pianohackr|work | Hi, Galen |
| 20:20 | jwagner | Hi to all! |
| 20:22 | chris | morning gmcharlt and pianohackr|work |
| 20:22 | pianohackr|work | Good morning |
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| 20:25 | gmcharlt | just back from my weekly self-torture session (AKA visiting all of the homeless kitties) |
| 20:26 | chris | ahhhh |
| 20:26 | gmcharlt | I know I can't take any of them home - I have four, after all, but ... |
| 20:26 | chris | yep, always hard |
| 20:26 | i should introduce you to mark at work | |
| 20:27 | gmcharlt | another fuzzball lover? |
| 20:27 | chris | yep resident postgresql guru and cat lover |
| 20:27 | he spends significant amounts of each year in africa looking after big cats too | |
| 20:28 | pianohackr|work | bbl |
| 20:28 | gmcharlt | Pg export to boot? tell me he's heading to the airport right now, please :) |
| 20:28 | chris | hehe |
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| 20:28 | chris | http://findarticles.com/p/arti[…]_18/ai_n26867259/ |
| 20:28 | thats him | |
| 20:29 | * gmcharlt | has noticed that Pg has gotten rather less love from O'Reilly than MySQL |
| 20:29 | chris | helped tons with tuning postgres for stuff.co.nz |
| 20:29 | nengard++ #weekend patches | |
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| 20:38 | jwagner | Too bad owen isn't online, but maybe someone else can answer. I'm fiddling with XSLT (again). Does anyone know why, in MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl, there is a check for indicator 2 to be 0 before it will show the URL in the results list? There's no such check in the details xsl, and I can't see why it would be necessary in the results list. |
| 20:38 | (The 856 second indicator, that is, of course) | |
| 20:42 | gmcharlt | jwagner: I suppose on the theory that if people consistently coded the 856 ind 2 correctly, you'd prefer to display just 852.*0 on the results list to include URLs that point directly to the resource, not alternative versions |
| 20:42 | or related resources | |
| 20:42 | that may well be a bit too sophisticated in practice | |
| 20:44 | jwagner | I think it is...too many sites with crappy data or people who have no idea what they're doing. Do you think there'd be any great objection if I removed that check? |
| 20:45 | chris | not from me |
| 20:47 | id say crap data is the norm, not the exception | |
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| 20:52 | chris | hi jdavidb |
| 20:54 | jdavidb | Hi, chris! :) |
| 20:54 | I was surprised by your response to nengard's facebook status; I thought I was the only heretic around here. | |
| 20:59 | chris | naw, zebra is great when it works, its a bit blackboxy when it doesnt |
| 20:59 | and i have an instinctual hatred for numeric error messages | |
| 21:01 | jdavidb | heh. me too. A few months ago--before March--I brought the idea up among some LL folk, and was *firmly* quashed, so I figured it was rank heresy to think that. |
| 21:02 | Solr is just so darn fast, and has so few moving parts; it's pretty amazing. | |
| 21:03 | gmcharlt | jwagner: fine with me |
| 21:03 | jdavidb | Hi, gmcharlt! :) |
| 21:03 | jwagner | OK, thanks. I'll make a note about dropping that indicator check in the commit notes. If I ever GET that far, sigh. |
| 21:03 | gmcharlt | hi jdavidb |
| 21:04 | chris | i do hate tomcat too tho |
| 21:04 | im an equal opportunity hater | |
| 21:04 | :) | |
| 21:05 | we did look at lucene and plucene when looking at zebra, was before solr was able to do much | |
| 21:05 | where lucene (and thus solr) beats zebra is on updates | |
| 21:05 | gmcharlt | yeah, solr itself provides another moving part |
| 21:06 | jdavidb | I'm not a big fan of tomcat, either; I rassled with it some with DSpace. |
| 21:07 | gmcharlt | it'd be one thing if Koha were itself a java web app |
| 21:07 | chris | i contend zebra is faster for search (not our implementaton maybe) |
| 21:07 | jdavidb | gmcharlt: Yah, if "we gotta have it anyway", that'd be one thing. |
| 21:08 | chris | we used to use solr for stuff |
| 21:08 | used to break lots | |
| 21:08 | but we were throwing some pretty decent load its way | |
| 21:11 | if we could do realtime, or close to realtime updates of zebra ... or equally remove the need to | |
| 21:11 | then id be happy | |
| 21:11 | if we cant, then im open to a different indexing engine to accomplish that | |
| 21:13 | jdavidb | I don't even mind the periodic-update quality of zebra, that much. Most of our clients are on 10-minute cycles, and find that mostly acceptable. My biggest grumpiness lives in the fact that you can't reconfigure it from within Koha, and it take some major tea-leaf reading to do it at *all*. |
| 21:13 | (But I'm spoiled. Unicorn let you reconfigure it from the GUI.) | |
| 21:14 | chris | we could allow it to be reconfigured within koha |
| 21:14 | gmcharlt | and same issue would apply for Solr |
| 21:14 | it boils down to two needs | |
| 21:14 | chris | but its still pretty 'huh?' |
| 21:14 | gmcharlt | 1. search engine abstraction layer |
| 21:14 | 2. abstraction layer for index configuration | |
| 21:14 | jdavidb | yeah. In either one, it's gonna be pretty arcane. |
| 21:14 | chris | yep |
| 21:15 | i say we just get google to spider the catalog and use that | |
| 21:15 | :-) | |
| 21:15 | jdavidb | When I was with the Unicorn library, I had so darn many index changes...if I'd have had to do it without the GUI, it'd have made a drinkin' man out of me. |
| 21:15 | gmcharlt | and IMO, 3. steering people away from trying to write yet another crappy internal search engine |
| 21:16 | jdavidb | 3. sounds like the easiest part of it. |
| 21:16 | gmcharlt | heh - you'd be surprised |
| 21:16 | chris | (thats what we ended up doing with stuff :-) .. im aware that wouldnt work for librarians :)) |
| 21:16 | gmcharlt | Evergreen is an example of that IMO, actually |
| 21:17 | jdavidb | I haven't done a whole lot of work with Evergreen, but it appears to me to be way too closely related to a helicopter. |
| 21:17 | gmcharlt | but regardless, using a component that specializes in search is a win |
| 21:17 | chris | yep |
| 21:17 | jdavidb | ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.") |
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| 21:18 | chris | as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt |
| 21:19 | i know that a lot of "why isnt my search working" questions would go away if when we tried to search and zebra wasnt running, we reported this | |
| 21:19 | instead of just 'no results found' | |
| 21:19 | error_handling++ | |
| 21:20 | jdavidb | @quote add <chris>as an aside C4::Search makes my brain hurt |
| 21:20 | munin | jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #26 added. |
| 21:20 | chris | also a 'status' page in the intranet might be nice |
| 21:20 | gmcharlt | @quote add <jdavidb> ("A helicopter does not fly; it is a collection of quasi-unrelated parts moving in close formation, beating the sky into submission.") |
| 21:20 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Quote #27 added. |
| 21:20 | chris | assuming we could find out from zebra, how many items we have indexed, when it was last indexed etc |
| 21:21 | jdavidb | lol |
| 21:22 | gmcharlt | I think at least some of that can be extracted from Zebra |
| 21:23 | jdavidb | Probably so, yeah. That'd be good to get. |
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| 21:30 | chris | ohhh gmcharlt has officially moved into 4th place |
| 21:31 | that musta happened in the last week or so | |
| 21:31 | http://www.ohloh.net/p/koha/contributors | |
| 21:31 | jdavidb | Awesome! |
| 21:32 | gmcharlt++ | |
| 21:32 | brendan | heya chris gmcharlt jdavidb |
| 21:32 | jdavidb | Hiya, brendan! :) |
| 21:32 | chris | hey brendan |
| 21:32 | jwagner | Heh. I'm one ahead of jdavidb :-) At least in his current incarnation. |
| 21:33 | chris | :) |
| 21:33 | brendan | heya jwagner |
| 21:33 | jdavidb | I better hurry, or wizzyrea will catch me. |
| 21:33 | brendan | I'm in CT and this humidity is killing me :) |
| 21:33 | jwagner | hi brendan. You're just spoiled. We have a marvellously fierce thunderstorm system moving through here. |
| 21:34 | brendan | oh joy -- that should get up here in a few |
| 21:34 | hours | |
| 21:34 | jwagner | I think it may be moving more easterly (across MD/DE and out to sea). |
| 21:36 | * jdavidb | waves |
| 21:36 | jdavidb left #koha | |
| 21:46 | chris | hmm 2 more lines and jwagner will move into 50th place on the most talky people on irc list |
| 21:46 | :) | |
| 21:46 | its sunday stats day | |
| 21:48 | jwagner | Well, I guess I can manage two more lines. |
| 21:48 | Don't you agree? | |
| 21:48 | Or even three more lines! | |
| 21:49 | chris | heh |
| 21:50 | brendan | hmmm... go I rank anywhere for chatty people |
| 21:52 | chris | 24th brendan |
| 21:52 | brendan | :) |
| 21:52 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
| 21:59 | ok, off to storylines we go | |
| 21:59 | enjoy the rest of your weekends | |
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| 23:00 | nengard | any regex experts online? |
| 23:00 | :) | |
| 23:01 | thd | well does writing a database with regexes and shell scripts count as expertise? |
| 23:01 | nengard | thd - sounds like more than I have |
| 23:01 | I'm working on a patch | |
| 23:01 | and I'm learning Perl by doing :) | |
| 23:01 | thd | the only way to learn anything |
| 23:02 | nengard | :) hang on i'll paste some stuff for you - maybe it's just a missing ; and not a regex issue |
| 23:02 | thd | I seldom manage not to much up the syntax the first time |
| 23:03 | nengard | http://koha.pastebin.com/m2e150127 |
| 23:03 | what i'm trying to do is replace occurances of TITLE, AUTHOR and ISBN with the right variables before sending it to the template | |
| 23:07 | thd | Is $searchfortitlein the general keyword search string? |
| 23:08 | nengard | no it's the value of the system preference |
| 23:08 | or it was supposed to be | |
| 23:10 | thd | What does that system preference store? |
| 23:10 | I know more about regular expressions than I know about some parts of Koha. | |
| 23:10 | nengard | I put that in the pastebin at the top |
| 23:10 | it's storing HTML for links that will search other catalogs | |
| 23:11 | basically this: href="http://worldcat.org/search?q=TITLE goes out to WorldCat and searches for the title you'll lookin at in Koha | |
| 23:11 | to find it in other libraries | |
| 23:12 | thd | OK, now I understand what is being done. |
| 23:12 | nengard | :) |
| 23:14 | thd | Your regexes seem fine if $author, $title, and $normalized_isbn have some useful values. |
| 23:15 | nengard | what's the perl syntax to print those variables out? |
| 23:15 | i'm a php person | |
| 23:15 | thd | I do see a problem |
| 23:15 | nengard | oh good |
| 23:15 | ish | |
| 23:16 | thd | print $variable; |
| 23:16 | nengard | oh same as php :) |
| 23:16 | thd | real programmers use warn |
| 23:16 | jwagner | nengard, to make sure I have values in the data, when there's a script running I have sometimes printed values to a temp file. For example: |
| 23:16 | open(OUTFILE, ">/tmp/out.txt") || die "unable to open output file"; | |
| 23:16 | thd | all programming languages are the same |
| 23:17 | nengard | thd that is not true |
| 23:17 | jwagner | print OUTFILE "Titlevar: $title\n" |
| 23:17 | thd | what is not true? |
| 23:17 | nengard | thanks jwagner, maybe i'll do that |
| 23:17 | thd that all programming languages are the same :) | |
| 23:17 | jwagner | Then after you go to the page calling the script, take a look at /tmp/out.txt. Brute force, but useful. |
| 23:18 | thd | Oh well they have common root words |
| 23:18 | nengard: the problem which you may have is the need to URL escape the variable contents | |
| 23:19 | nengard | thd, i've seen that in tmpl files, but where would it go in the pl file? |
| 23:20 | okay one problem | |
| 23:20 | normalized_isbn isn't in the *.pl - it's $isbn | |
| 23:20 | I'll fix that | |
| 23:20 | thd | If your $title or author has spaces or other problem characters then they need to be escaped. |
| 23:21 | the ISBN may need normalising in any case. | |
| 23:21 | or every case | |
| 23:22 | perhaps you should URL escape $title and $author before the regex | |
| 23:23 | nengard | thd that makes sense - but you should know that it's not that the links aren't working it's that they still say TITLE, AUTHOR or ISBN |
| 23:23 | it's never being processed | |
| 23:23 | thd | wow |
| 23:24 | you should print the contents of $searchfortitlein to make certain the text is there | |
| 23:25 | nengard | k |
| 23:25 | thd | perhaps the problem may be newlines in $searchfortitlein |
| 23:26 | but your regex should still work with newlines in the string | |
| 23:27 | also if $title and $author are undefined and not merely blank then the regex would fail. | |
| 23:29 | nengard | thd thanks |
| 23:29 | trying some things now | |
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| 23:39 | thd | nengard the print command will print to the console but not necessarily to the generated HTML page as it would in PHP. |
| 23:39 | nengard | thanks td - i was trying jane's method of printing to a file but it's not happening - in fact nothing is happening - it's freezing .... |
| 23:40 | I may have to just quit for tonight | |
| 23:40 | and try again when it's early and i'm fresh | |
| 23:40 | thd | do you have warnings on? |
| 23:40 | nengard | um |
| 23:40 | guess not | |
| 23:40 | thd | use waringings; |
| 23:41 | at the top of the script | |
| 23:42 | nengard you may need to open OUTFILE for writing | |
| 23:42 | nengard | yeah I did that - open the file |
| 23:42 | not use warnings - i'll try that | |
| 23:44 | thd | use warnings; is at the top of many Perl scripts and far too much of Koha is filled with warnings problems |
| 23:44 | nengard | yep it's at the top of my file |
| 23:44 | thd | the warnings command needs to be uncommented |
| 23:46 | Is the OUTFILE ever created when runing the script? | |
| 23:47 | nengard | no |
| 23:47 | thd | the directory where it should be created would need write permission of the webserver username. |
| 23:48 | Are you running a default Debian installation of Apache? | |
| 23:48 | nengard | yes |
| 23:49 | btw if the code is: $template->param('OPACSearchForTitleIn' => C4::Context->preference("OPACSearchForTitleIn") ); it prints out the right thing - with the wrong links of course | |
| 23:52 | thd | the directory where OUTFILE is supposed to be created should be writable by www-data |
| 23:53 | unless you have changed the Apache user from www-data for some reason such as security perhaps. | |
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| 23:55 | thd | open( OUTFILE, "< /path/to/outfile" ) or die "Can't open $filename : $!"; |
| 23:57 | nengard: Did you close the file handle OUTFILE? | |
| 23:57 | nengard | thd sorry - was poking at something else |
| 23:57 | it appears to be the IF that is the problem |
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