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00:38 | brendan | heya owen -- still at work? |
00:38 | owen | No, just popping in for the heck of it |
00:38 | brendan | guess that is good |
00:38 | how's all the little ones | |
00:39 | owen | All sleeping quietly :) |
00:39 | brendan | :) |
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01:21 | baseballfreak47 | hello will koha work with yellow dog linux? |
01:21 | chris | that a definite maybe |
01:21 | i havent tried, so don't know for sure | |
01:22 | baseballfreak47 | okay thanks |
01:22 | if not do you know of any versions of linux that will work on a power mac g4? | |
01:24 | chris | hmmmm maybe debian has a powerpc port lemme look |
01:25 | http://penguinppc.org/about/intro.php#hardware | |
01:25 | http://penguinppc.org/mac/ | |
01:26 | http://penguinppc.org/about/distributions.php | |
01:26 | so there are a few to choose from | |
01:29 | baseballfreak47 | oka thanks (sorry about the delay i went to go get a snack WERE OUT OF BAGELS!!!! |
01:30 | chris | hehe |
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01:53 | chris | mmm bagels |
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02:46 | pianohacker | GOod night |
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03:21 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
03:21 | good morning #koha | |
03:22 | brendan | hey amit |
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07:05 | slef | http://koha.org/support/pay.html is 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable |
07:05 | http://koha.org/ same | |
07:05 | anyone here about to kick it? | |
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07:13 | chris | lol |
07:13 | you are joking arent you? | |
07:13 | its back now for me | |
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07:30 | slef | back now for me. The <title> tag on the homepage is poor, though ;-) |
07:30 | joking about which? | |
07:33 | chris | there being anyone on the channel who could poke it :) |
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07:47 | Amit_Gupta | hi kf |
07:52 | kf | hi Amit, chris slef |
07:57 | slef | hi kf |
07:58 | ok, I think life doesn't fit into time available today :-/ | |
07:59 | Amit_Gupta | hi slef ;) |
08:02 | nahuel | hi community ! |
08:03 | Amit_Gupta | hi nahuel |
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08:36 | kf | chris: can you add me as translator for German in 3.2? |
08:38 | chris | i thought i did already |
08:39 | oh on the about page? | |
08:41 | ill send a patch tomorrow | |
09:03 | kf | thx chris! |
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09:49 | chris | http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
10:12 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
10:12 | munin | greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 30.0�C (3:10 PM IST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 25.0�C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
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10:19 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
10:19 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 27.0�C (12:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 30.11 in 1019 hPa (Rising). |
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10:25 | WillemVdV | Hi, I'm starting to get used to some Koha stuff - now able to import after using MarcEdit. Can anyone tell me whether it's possible to import DELETE requests? |
10:42 | kf | chris: just saw your patch - thx again1 |
10:44 | hi Willem, I dont think it's possible, but perhaps one of the developers has an idea how to do or implement this | |
10:44 | gmcharlt | WillemVdV: i.e., load bib records with a Leader/05 = 'd' to signal that they should be removed from the database - no, not currently possible, but wouldn't be hard to add, either |
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11:48 | WillemVdV | Thanx kf and gmcharlt, will continue to remove records manually. |
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12:03 | chris_n | g'morning |
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12:07 | Ropuch | morning |
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12:12 | chris_n | chris about? |
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12:47 | * chris_n | greets owen |
12:47 | * owen | is digging chris's IRC stats http://stats.workbuffer.org/ircstats/ |
12:49 | jdavidb | Couple of good conversations, owen, and you'll catch up to hdl. :) |
12:49 | owen | It's going to take a while for anyone to catch up with kados, but his title is defenseless |
12:50 | jdavidb | Heh. yeah, the "Last seen"...I hadn't realized it'd been that long. |
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13:16 | WillemVdV | e.g. book or journal logo). Explanation will be appreciated. |
13:18 | Ropuch | um.. the first part of your message is missing |
13:19 | WillemVdV | Can someone explain the field 008 to me? The manual says it should have 14 bytes, but in my koha lists they're a lot longer, eg. =008 891013c19769999sa\fx\\\\\\\\0\\\\0eng\d and they seem to influence how the biblio appears in search results, e.g. journal or book logo. Help please. |
13:19 | Ropuch | I'm sure there was something before: "..ge.g. book" |
13:21 | owen | WillemVdV: Are you working with 008 in the MARC editor? addbiblio.pl? |
13:25 | WillemVdV | I don't know about addbiblio.pl, but yes, I use the MARC editor. I've found that a journal only produces the journal logo in the search result if I changed the 008 field to the one copied above, but I'd like to understand the various bits and pieces. I also have single articles to display and they shouldn't come up with the book or the journal logo. |
13:26 | owen | If you're editing a record in Koha, look for a small link to the right of the 008 entry field, "..." |
13:27 | Click that and it will pop up an entry form with all the elements labeled | |
13:28 | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]b.jpg/image_large | |
13:28 | That shows an example for 000, but it's the same idea. | |
13:31 | WillemVdV | Great - that explains it all. Thanks a lot. |
13:44 | jdavidb | owen, I've got a puzzler here, and you're Teh Jquery Gawd. |
13:44 | Got a sec? | |
13:44 | owen | You bet. No pressure. |
13:45 | jdavidb | I've got two instances of koha running, with same code...one has slightly-older data, but not by much. But on the *newer* one, the sort buttons on opac-user disappear for the checked out and overdue tables... |
13:45 | The same user, on the older data, works fine. | |
13:46 | owen | Is javascript otherwise running properly on the page? Cart button working, etc.? |
13:46 | jdavidb | It seems like something in the table is causing the tablesorter to disappear, maybe. |
13:46 | yep, cart button seems to be functional. | |
13:48 | I've diffed the entire opac-tmpl/prog/en tree between the two, as well as kohaclone/opac, just to check, and there are no diffs. | |
13:49 | owen | Sorry, no idea what's going on! |
13:49 | jdavidb | Hrm. Thanks, though. |
13:49 | owen | The data in the tables is different? Different checkouts in each example? |
13:50 | I wonder if it's possible for something in the data itself to make the tablesorter choke? | |
13:50 | jdavidb | Checkouts are the same, although many are overdue in the older data. Now, on the older data, she has a hold outstanding, but on the newer, she doesn't...could that be?... (testing) |
13:51 | yes! if the user has no holds, the tablesorters break for Checkout and Overdue. | |
13:52 | This page has a *lot* of tinkering for this site...I betcha there's something squirrely in the <tr> </tr> structure for the holds table. | |
13:53 | owen | Yeah, bad markup would definitely cause problems |
13:53 | A trip to the validator should have been one of our first steps | |
13:53 | jdavidb | I suppose, then, that the tablesorter expects a nice clean, properly-marked-up table....that's what I need to check on, then. |
13:54 | owen | Valid markup, and both a <thead> and a <tbody> |
13:54 | jdavidb | Okay! See, you were more help than you thought you'd be. :) |
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14:07 | ccurry | Can someone direct me to documentation for importing serials holdings? The individual bibliographic records for the serials imported, but the records don't show subscription information; I assume Koha uses a different 9xx field than our old ILS. I can't find documentation for this and found only 1 (unanswered) list post about this issue. |
14:08 | owen | ccurry: I suspect such documentation doesn't exist |
14:08 | It must be a fairly obscure operation for you to get no response. | |
14:08 | kf | I dont think you cant import serials holdings atm - you can import items in 952 and perhaps put your subscription info in local fields in the title |
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14:09 | kf | ccurry: we dont have subscription info but I still have to find out where to put the holdings of the library without adding items and without adding a subscription in serials |
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14:10 | kf | information like 2003 - current without issues 2003.5 etc. |
14:14 | ccurry | kf: thanks. We do have this summary information in the MARC records in a note; I was hoping there was some automated way to populate the serials module...it's kind of surprising that there isn't. Some large libraries that have implemented Koha (with thousands of serials) must have wanted to do this... |
14:19 | owen | Serials management is still an underdeveloped feature, IMO. |
14:20 | hdl | kf: if you are running UNIMARC you have subfields of a biblio for that |
14:23 | ccurry | owen & kf: Thanks for the insight. We're pretty set on koha....so, if my users insist on being able to import periodicals info, maybe we'll commission Liblime to develop something. |
14:23 | owen | ccurry: The rest of the world would be grateful if you could insist to Liblime that such development was shared with the Koha community. |
14:24 | ccurry | owen: of course. wouldn't have it any other way. |
14:24 | owen | I have to say it because some *would* have it another way. :( |
14:35 | wizzyrea_ | yea, some would. Bleh. |
14:35 | jdavidb | Hi, wizzyrea_! |
14:35 | wizzyrea_ | (FWIW, we insist that our code goes to the project, and we're willing to pay for integration, inclusion) |
14:36 | (because apparently that's an issue? no idea.) | |
14:36 | owen | The notion that one would have to pay specifically for integration is absurd. |
14:36 | it is to any vendor's advantage to integrate their code into the main branch. it save them the trouble of maintaining differing branches. | |
14:38 | jdavidb | It is absurd, owen. Now, we've got one customer that wants a feature that I *really hope* that gmcharlt rejects. It's a bad, bad idea, but that's what they wanted, so we've done it. And we'll have to maintain it. But we *will* throw it over the wall for everyone else to scream about, too. |
14:39 | wizzyrea_ | yea, it's silly, but apparently it costs a lot to integrate it? Lots of extra time? Idk, in my mind you'd just charge for those hours as part of your quote (transparently or not) |
14:39 | "it costs X and we'll put it in the project" | |
14:40 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: yeah, if it's the feature (aka security hole) you're thinking of, jwagner and I had already talked about submitting it but leaving it to languish in contrib-land |
14:40 | jdavidb | wizzy: No, it doesn't. It's not like you're writing that feature on a clean page. you're writing on top of HEAD, if you've got any sense at all. Whole new modules? Maybe. Adding features in the current framework? No. |
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14:40 | jdavidb | gmcharlt: That's the one. |
14:40 | wizzyrea_ | jdavidb are you going to say in the patch notes "this is a bad idea, but here it is" lol |
14:40 | owen | If you're coding the feature, you're coding it to work with Koha, right? Unless you're coding it using lots of site-specific, hard-coded stuff. Does the issue arise because some new development isn't written to be generic? |
14:41 | wizzyrea_ | I don't have that information. |
14:41 | jdavidb | wizzy: I'm thinking we'll put it out there straight, and see how many people scream in horror. |
14:41 | wizzyrea_ | (but signs point to yes) |
14:42 | jdavidb | We aren't charging extra for integration--we're writing with the patch in mind from line 1. |
14:42 | wizzyrea_ | yea, you just calculate that time in from the start, without really thinking about it |
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14:43 | wizzyrea_ | (fwiw, I'm not saying it's right, just what they tell me) |
14:45 | heh, but the people who would benefit from our conversations on the topic aren't here to hear them, and probably don't care. | |
14:46 | jdavidb | Such hubris was and is bad for the big closed-source vendors, as SirsiDynix is rapidly discovering. |
14:47 | ...who's to say that it's not dangerous for a smaller vendor, too? | |
14:48 | kf | hdl: running marc21 |
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14:59 | hdl | kf : |
14:59 | (16:56:09) gsf: @marc 310 | |
14:59 | (16:56:09) zoia: gsf: The current stated publication frequency of either an item or an update to an item. Dates are included when the beginning date of the current frequency is not the same as the beginning date of publication. These data are related to coded data in field 008/18 (Frequency) and 008/19 (Regularity). [a,b,6,8] | |
14:59 | (16:57:21) gsf: hdl: http://www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/3xx/310.shtm is that what you meant? | |
14:59 | (16:58:34) jtgorman: hdl: there's also the 863/853 fields... | |
14:59 | (16:59:09) jtgorman: hdl: oh, and 866 | |
14:59 | from #code4lib | |
15:07 | kf | hdl: is 310 not the publication pattern of the serial itself? What I need is a field to put the information which issues are available in the library |
15:08 | hdl: we have this information in holdings data - but as I cant import holdings to koha that way I thought about using a local 9xx field in title | |
15:08 | ah | |
15:09 | thx hdl, I will look at these fields | |
15:12 | jwagner | hdl, since you're online, a question for you. Bug 3203 shows as assigned to you. Is that something you're actively working on, or is it a bugzilla automatic assignment? |
15:12 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3203 normal, P5, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Some Letters template variables are not available to certain notice types |
15:14 | hdl | looks like automatic assignment |
15:14 | Is this something urgent for you ? | |
15:15 | Do you want the hat ? | |
15:16 | gmcharlt | jwagner: one thing to keep in mind - a bug isn't truly assigned unless its status is 'assigned' |
15:16 | jwagner | One of my people has asked about it. I haven't investigated yet, don't know if it's something I can do. But I didn't want to spend the time looking at it if you were already active. |
15:17 | I'll take a look & see if I can do it. If so, I'll assign it to myself. Thanks. | |
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15:37 | pianohacker | Good morning |
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15:37 | rhcl_away | morning |
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15:39 | joetho | itsabeautifuldayintheneighborhood |
15:39 | pianohacker | mr_rogers++ |
15:39 | chris_n | hey pianohacker |
15:39 | and rhcl | |
15:39 | pianohacker | Hi, chris_n |
15:39 | chris_n | and mr_rogers |
15:39 | pianohacker | Hi, joetho, rhcl |
15:40 | Hehe | |
15:40 | chris_n | err... joetho |
15:40 | * chris_n | is bored stiff writing tests for the new labels code :'( |
15:40 | pianohacker | Ah, testcases |
15:41 | Almost as bad as documentation | |
15:41 | chris_n | unfortunately that's next on the list |
15:42 | pianohacker | Ehhh |
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16:14 | owen | tests++ |
16:14 | chris_n++ for writing them | |
16:16 | gmcharlt | tests++ |
16:16 | chris_n++ | |
16:16 | documentation++ | |
16:16 | owen | FUD-- >:( |
16:17 | chris | guten morgen |
16:19 | chris_n | hi chris |
16:21 | owen | chris, surely it's only technically morning for you? |
16:22 | chris | well its still the night |
16:24 | kf | guten morgen chris |
16:24 | @wunder konstanz | |
16:24 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Konstanz, Germany is 33.0�C (6:00 PM CEST on August 20, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 30%. Dew Point: 18.0�C. Pressure: 29.99 in 1016 hPa (Falling). |
16:33 | pianohacker | @wunder wellington, nz |
16:33 | munin | pianohacker: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 5.0�C (4:00 AM NZST on August 21, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 93%. Dew Point: 4.0�C. Windchill: 5.0�C. Pressure: 30.09 in 1019 hPa (Steady). |
16:34 | chris | yeah i really should go back to sleep |
16:34 | but my brain hurts now | |
16:37 | * chris_n | offers chris some homemade salsa and chips to sooth his sore brain |
16:40 | joetho | cheer up, Owen |
16:41 | cheer up, Owen | |
16:41 | * pianohacker | looks at joetho strangely |
16:42 | joetho | joetho leers at pianohacker |
16:44 | * chris_n | hates running out of chips before running out of salsa >:-( |
16:44 | pianohacker | chris_n: related: http://xkcd.com/140/ |
16:45 | chris_n | hehe |
16:56 | jdavidb | xkcd++ |
16:56 | pianohacker | Indeed! |
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18:25 | |Lupin| | hello there ! |
18:25 | pianohacker | Hi |
18:26 | jdavidb | Hi. |Lupin|. :) |
18:27 | gmcharlt | hi |Lupin| |
18:28 | |Lupin| | hello galen, pianohacker & jdavidb |
18:28 | hope you are all well ? | |
18:28 | pianohacker | Yes, though busy |
18:28 | gmcharlt | ditto |
18:29 | jdavidb | Me three. :) |
18:34 | |Lupin| | :) |
18:35 | that's one of our main problems, I'd day | |
18:35 | s/d/s/ | |
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19:33 | * chris_n | dances a jig on his desk |
19:34 | chris_n | my catalogers heartily approve of the work flow in the new labels code |
19:34 | happy catalogers++ | |
19:35 | pianohacker | Cool |
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19:40 | |Lupin| | I'm wondering |
19:40 | when is the next general project meeting ? | |
19:40 | chris | ahh there was an email |
19:40 | lemme find it | |
19:41 | gmcharlt | 2 September - http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]etingnotes09sep02 |
19:41 | chris | beat me |
19:41 | |Lupin| | I'm in no-mail mode since I'm supposed to be on vacations |
19:42 | gmcharlt: chis: thanks a lot ! | |
19:42 | I hope I can attend this one ! | |
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19:45 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: are you gonna be the moderator for this one ? |
19:45 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: yes |
19:46 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: I find this a very good news, thanks for doing it |
19:46 | gmcharlt: how re things going with your new job ? you have done the change, haven't you ? | |
19:47 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: I have indeed. Things are going well, though I'm very very busy |
19:48 | chris | atz++ |
19:48 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: I can imagine, especially if you are as involved in the new project than you are in koha, and I imagine you are even more involved |
19:48 | chris | answering list emails |
19:49 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, thanks for the clarificaiton :) |
19:53 | chris | ok time to catch my bus |
19:53 | cyers in 40 mins or so, if ppl are still around | |
19:54 | gmcharlt | quick, time for everybody to switch nicks around before chris comes back! |
19:54 | chris_n | heh |
19:55 | * chris_n | promises to keep up with POD the next time he does a big re-write... :-( |
20:00 | |Lupin| | :-) |
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20:00 | |Lupin| | ok everybody, was nice to chat wth you a bit. time to go to bed now. bye ! till soon ! |
20:00 | pananohacker | BYe |
20:00 | |Lupin| | full time come back next monday |
20:01 | pie: bye :) | |
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20:17 | hdl | chris ? |
20:17 | gmcharlt | hdl: on bus still, most likely |
20:18 | * hdl | wrote tests for Budgets |
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20:20 | hdl | but I have some issues with selenium and yahoo buttons |
20:21 | pianohacker | What's the problem? |
20:25 | hdl | when recording a selenium scenario and then playing it it doesnot work. |
20:27 | Try to record creation of a new record based on the second or third framework. and it fails to select this | |
20:27 | can't find a way to do it | |
20:31 | joetho | atz |
20:33 | chris_n | I've had all the POD and test fun I can stand for one day... |
20:34 | * chris_n | heads out for a break... ttyl |
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20:35 | richard | hiyas |
20:35 | pianohacker | Hello |
20:36 | richard | hi pianohacker |
20:38 | chris | back |
20:38 | hdl: you still about? | |
20:39 | hdl | yes |
20:39 | have you had success with Selenium and Yahoo/ggl like buttons. | |
20:39 | Is there a way to make selection work ? | |
20:40 | chris | hmm, i dont know actually, the I will ask the QA people when they get into work |
20:42 | i will email you their answer | |
20:54 | hdl | it is for instance when you select some framework on creation of a biblio, |
20:54 | same for members | |
20:54 | same for all the buttons where you have + | |
20:55 | It is rather confusing. | |
20:55 | Thanks chris | |
20:55 | I have pushed some updates on reconciliation | |
20:56 | chris: In order to automatize web-based tests you wrote or used some external tools can you remind me which it was ? | |
20:59 | time to go to bed. | |
20:59 | Thanks | |
21:00 | http://www.eifl.net/cps/sectio[…]/ils/case-studies | |
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21:19 | chris | ahh www::mechanize |
21:19 | but now ive missed him | |
21:19 | pianohacker | chris: @ later tell ? |
21:19 | chris | good thinking batman |
21:20 | pianohacker | Heh |
21:20 | chris | @later tell hdl i used www::mechanize |
21:20 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
21:20 | pianohacker | Off to library, bbl |
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21:44 | rhcl | he haw, we just received a 15k technology grant |
21:45 | chris | awesome :-) |
21:46 | rhcl | yea, first time I've requested money from this program for mostly replacement equipment like monitors and UPSs and surge protectors. |
21:46 | chris | all good things |
21:47 | rhcl | one bigger ticket item was a replacement Bluesocket wireless controller. |
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23:35 | pianohacker | back |
23:35 | chris | wb |
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23:36 | chris | heh |
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