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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:38 | chris_n | g'morning |
| 12:47 | davi | morning |
| 12:47 | kf | morning :) |
| 12:48 | davi | I see Koha do not completely support ISSN in all the functionality. |
| 12:48 | ISSN support is in biblioitems table | |
| 12:48 | but for example it is not supported in the "New order" form. | |
| 12:48 | (I have added support for ISSN in the "New order" form". | |
| 12:49 | Besides, it is not clear if Koha support both ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 | |
| 12:51 | hdl_laptop | davi : question is what do you think when you are thinking supporting both ISBN-10 and ISBN-13 |
| 12:51 | davi: it is storing ISBNs all right | |
| 12:52 | davi | yep, you are right |
| 12:53 | hdl_laptop | If by support you mean : if i search for an ISBN-10 then it will bring along also ISBN-13, and the reverse, then it might not be the case at the moment. |
| 12:53 | davi | Another point, I miss a barcode field in the biblioitems table, because it is not the same the ISBN that the barcode, isn't it? |
| 12:55 | I see Koha as a unfinished product | |
| 12:56 | kf | what do you mean by barcode? the EAN on the book or the barcode label of the library? |
| 12:58 | davi | I understand that EAN-13 is equal to ISBN-13 |
| 12:58 | but, e.g. I have here a book: | |
| 12:58 | ISBN 0-13-141155-1 | |
| 12:59 | barcode: 9 780131 411555 | |
| 13:00 | there is another barcode too, maybe the vendor one: 0 76092 02591 7 | |
| 13:00 | and another barcode (small one): 57499 | |
| 13:01 | It is this book: http://my.safaribooksonline.com/0131411551 | |
| 13:07 | Now I see the barcode: 9 780131 411555 is just the ISBN-10 with the 978 prefix. Thanks | |
| 13:08 | Therefore there is not need to add a 'barcode' field in the biblioitems table | |
| 13:09 | hdl_laptop | well actually your "barcode" is just ISBN-13. |
| 13:09 | the two latest ones, i don't know. | |
| 13:10 | davi | so, ISBN-13 is always equal to 978 prefix + ISBN-10 ? |
| 13:10 | If so, what is the sense of use ISBN-13 instead of ISBN-10? | |
| 13:11 | maybe future expansion? | |
| 13:12 | hdl_laptop | it is not really == |
| 13:12 | since latest number is not the same. | |
| 13:12 | But it allows books to be "standard" merchandise. | |
| 13:12 | davi | I see, it allow books be EAN-13 |
| 13:13 | allows* | |
| 13:13 | hdl_laptop | There are so many barcode types, that it is not so bad for users to stick to "one" standard. |
| 13:14 | it is what I think of the change. | |
| 13:14 | maybe not really the true reason. | |
| 13:14 | davi | I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B[…]Types_of_barcodes |
| 13:16 | kf | there were not enough numbers left |
| 13:16 | more digits more numbers :) | |
| 13:18 | davi | kf, do you think ISBN-13 is not enough? |
| 13:19 | kf | no, I thin one reason for the change was that more numbers were needed |
| 13:20 | davi | I see |
| 13:38 | kf | bug or feature: I can place holds on books I have checked out :( |
| 13:43 | hdl_laptop | kf : there is a system preference for that |
| 13:45 | kf | AllowOnShelfHolds is off |
| 13:46 | thats the pref I m testing atm | |
| 13:46 | I saw it got fixed in 3.2 and its really important | |
| 13:47 | its working great - but I should not be able to check out a book and put a hold on it (same person) | |
| 13:47 | hdl_laptop | you mean you need it fixed in 3.0 ? |
| 13:49 | kf | I think we will start with a 3.2 installation |
| 13:49 | pre 3.2 stable - because SIP | |
| 13:52 | my problem is: patrons will check out books they cannot renew and place a hold on it | |
| 13:55 | hdl_laptop: thx for listening :) I thnk its a bug, but will test again tomorrow on our 3.0.3 installation and file ab ug | |
| 13:57 | have to leave now - bye #koha! | |
| 14:20 | owen | Hi chris_n |
| 14:32 | sekjal | I'm writing a script to bulk capture our libraries in-house use of items for the year. Can I just use C4::Circulation |
| 14:32 | 's AddIssue function? | |
| 14:33 | or do I need higher-level logic to detemine if my patron is statistical or real? | |
| 14:34 | owen | sekjal: Are you trying to do a statistical report of the year's checkouts? |
| 14:35 | sekjal | I'm in the process of migrating to Koha, and want to have the 2009 in-house use counts preserved |
| 14:35 | I can create a file that lists out each barcode and how many times its been used | |
| 14:36 | owen | I see. Sorry, migration issues are beyond me. |
| 14:36 | sekjal | I just want to be sure I'm adding that information into the right place |
| 14:36 | owen: no worries. they're kind of beyond me, too. we'll see just how far come Sept. 1 | |
| 14:37 | atz | sekjal: you might look at just populating the old_issues table |
| 14:38 | sekjal | atz: that might work. |
| 14:39 | owen | atz: Do you know anything about the status of this? http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]e_staff_interface |
| 14:40 | atz | owen: not really... it's a big job |
| 14:40 | owen | I was just curious whether it was still a possibility for 3.2. I take it the answer is no? |
| 14:41 | atz | yeah, probably not |
| 14:42 | looks like work by jesse, so ask him if he comes back online | |
| 14:42 | owen | Oh, of course. I was blanking on the "jpw" for some reason |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | last I heard from jesse that was a project that made him want to eat his own eyes. |
| 14:43 | atz | yeah, circ has a 100 contingencies |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | plus there's the accessibility contingent that are probably against it |
| 14:44 | atz | and people add random sysprefs that then add a confirmation/override layer |
| 14:44 | so it was a moving target even when he was working on it | |
| 14:44 | wizzyrea | yea :/ |
| 14:44 | boy, a plugin framework sure would be handy | |
| 14:44 | atz | like how? |
| 14:45 | our "plugin framework" for editing records is a pain in the ass hackjob :\ | |
| 14:45 | wizzyrea | no, not like that |
| 14:46 | i mean standardizing the framework for ease of snap in modules | |
| 14:46 | so that koha proper becomes a basis for laying custom circ modules, for example, on top | |
| 14:47 | sekjal | I'm fond of Wordpress's system of hooks |
| 14:47 | wizzyrea | yes, that's kind of what I was thinking of |
| 14:47 | the paradigm, anyway | |
| 14:47 | sekjal | would require a major reworking of the code, but it would probably be worth it in the long(er) run |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | yea, it would be an epic project, for sure |
| 14:48 | sekjal | perhaps that could be 'revolution' of Koha 4.0 |
| 14:48 | wizzyrea | well, it seems like since everybody has a different way of doing things, |
| 14:49 | atz | a lot of refactoring projects are "worth it" to us, but objectively speaking not worth it to anybody funding features. |
| 14:49 | wizzyrea | interestingly, it was acquisitions that made me think of this |
| 14:49 | I mean, ok, lets think about this | |
| 14:50 | two institutions... different desires for acq | |
| 14:50 | why should they have to choose? | |
| 14:50 | why can't they get what they want, based on a common framework | |
| 14:51 | we talk about the fact that we can make koha fit our workflow, instead of changing our workflow to fit koha | |
| 14:51 | atz | what kind of different desires? |
| 14:51 | owen | Because the institution who wants the alternative acq version funds the new acq version, not the refactoring project. |
| 14:51 | atz | why isn't different MARC framework enough for them? |
| 14:51 | wizzyrea | I mean more esoteric things... like workflow |
| 14:51 | atz | framework affects workflow |
| 14:51 | directly | |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | I suppose that would depend on how you wrote it. Perhaps acquisitions isn't the best example. |
| 14:52 | sekjal | a plugin system would make it easier for folks to do custom development for their institutions or customers, while keeping the core code common to all. |
| 14:52 | wizzyrea | YES. That is what I am getting at |
| 14:52 | atz | sekjal, wizzyrea: *hypothetically* |
| 14:52 | sekjal | there could even be a marketplace for different versions of 'acquisitions' or an ERM |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | a la drupal modules |
| 14:53 | atz | if you make it too complex, then everyone's customizations will be to hack off your structure and write raw scripts to do what they want |
| 14:53 | i.e., it can get worse | |
| 14:53 | wizzyrea | I'm not trying to convince you, it's just an idea ;) |
| 14:54 | atz | i think webservicey layer stuff is the right model overall though |
| 14:54 | wizzyrea | I don't think you'd ever get rid of the native versions of all functions |
| 14:54 | but the ability to snap in your own custom circ module... that is win win win win win | |
| 14:55 | owen | You'd have to hope someone continued to contribute to the native versions |
| 14:55 | wizzyrea | this is true |
| 14:55 | atz | i'm not so sure. i think custom circ leads to babylon. |
| 14:55 | there are already dozens of toggle-able sysprefs in place | |
| 14:56 | wizzyrea | yes, and you could simplify that |
| 14:56 | I think such a refactoring could make the base code much easier to maintain | |
| 14:56 | atz | i can imagine such a scenario. i just don't see that it is at all possible to get there from here. |
| 14:57 | sekjal | its simple |
| 14:57 | when I win the Powerball jackpot, I'll fund a group to blitz through it | |
| 14:57 | atz | sekjal: the concept is simple. the code is a bitch. |
| 14:57 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 14:57 | atz | sekjal: :) |
| 14:57 | owen | sekjal: You're not the first to have proposed winning the lottery for that purpose. |
| 14:58 | sekjal | owen: I'll just be the first to succeed. I have a secret weapon |
| 14:58 | wizzyrea | your cat works for the lottery commission? |
| 14:58 | sekjal | ... |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea: the point of a *secret* weapon is that no one else knows!!! | |
| 14:59 | dang it! | |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | DOH |
| 14:59 | well I can't help it if I guess right! | |
| 14:59 | sekjal | well, to be fair, kitty isn't exactly subtle |
| 14:59 | she blogs extensively | |
| 14:59 | wizzyrea | "How to win the lottery without even trying" |
| 15:00 | sekjal | brb. departmental meeting. |
| 15:32 | Sharon | Howdy - can I ask for some help troubleshooting a SQL statement? |
| 15:32 | I'm looking for 7-9 year olds at a library. Here's my attempt (that doesn't work) | |
| 15:33 | SELECT borrowers.surname,borrowers.firstname,borrowers.categorycode, borrowers.cardnumber,borrowers.address,borrowers.city,borrowers.phone,borrowers.email FROM borrowers WHERE borrowers.branchcode='ATCHISON' AND WHERE DATE(borrowers.dateofbirth) BETWEEN '2000' AND '2002' ORDER BY borrowers.surname asc | |
| 15:33 | owen | What about using year(borrowers.dateofbirth) ? |
| 15:34 | atz | ^^ what he said |
| 15:34 | Sharon | year instead of date? |
| 15:34 | cool, I'll try that | |
| 15:34 | owen | The year() function pulls just the year out of your date |
| 15:34 | atz | since you're only comparing year, in this example |
| 15:34 | Sharon | nope |
| 15:35 | atz | oh... don't say WHERE twice |
| 15:35 | Sharon | i've tried it with '2000-01-01' AND '2002-08-11' no luck |
| 15:35 | ah | |
| 15:36 | so simple! Thank you | |
| 15:36 | that worked | |
| 15:36 | owen | Sharon: you must have been lucky enough to have had dateofbirth data from your old system? |
| 15:37 | Sharon | yes |
| 15:40 | Thank you! I have just what we need. | |
| 16:10 | tomascohen | /COMMANDS |
| 16:17 | Sharon | owen: i'm creating a bug to add a scroll bar to opac-addbybiblionumber.pl for folks who have more than 10 lists - should I assign it to you? |
| 16:17 | owen | Sure |
| 16:18 | Sharon | not sure, but hopefully it's a simple fix |
| 16:20 | tomascohen | Is anyone awary of some problems in authority handling on stable (3.02 & 3.0.3 for instance)? |
| 16:20 | s/awary/aware/ | |
| 16:21 | wizzyrea | chris_n very interesting. Not sure that anyone could argue that koha doesn't need a foundation. :/ |
| 16:21 | but going for grant funds to start that is genius | |
| 16:22 | owen | Sharon: be sure to include browser information in your bug report |
| 16:22 | Sharon | ok. |
| 16:23 | chris_n | wizzyrea: not only the funding, but just having a solid consensus across such larger and smaller organizations is unusual. |
| 16:23 | wizzyrea | definitely, it looks like an interesting project |
| 16:24 | in several ways | |
| 16:34 | Sharon | Owen bug 3523 |
| 16:34 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, Missing scroll bar at opac-addbybiblionumber.pl |
| 16:36 | owen | Sounds like the script isn't pulling more than 10 lists |
| 16:38 | I remember something about this with reference to the "Lists" button that is part of the search bar. | |
| 16:38 | Sharon | I hope that I caught all the pertinent info in the bug |
| 16:39 | I can do some more testing, too | |
| 16:39 | owen | atz: Do I recall correctly that when pulling list names for the Lists button it only gets the most recent 10? |
| 16:39 | Sharon | You're right - if you do a search, select all and use the Add to: drop down menu, it only shows the 10 most recently added lists instead of all of them (in alpha order) |
| 16:41 | atz | not necessarily ten, but however many are on the page |
| 16:41 | owen | On the page? |
| 16:41 | Sharon | I added a second screenshot to the bug |
| 16:41 | atz | LIMIT 10 (could be less, like zero) |
| 16:42 | that info is stored in session, so it shouldn't be allowed to be arbitrarily large | |
| 16:43 | a new design would be welcome | |
| 16:48 | owen | atz, I don't understand. Is "my $limit = 10;" on line 100 of opac-addbookbybiblionumber.pl not the limit for the number of lists to be retrieved? |
| 16:49 | atz | are we talking about VirtualShelves "Lists" ? |
| 16:50 | owen | Yes |
| 16:50 | atz | that isn't controlled by any script, since it has to be internal |
| 16:50 | and made available for *every* script/page | |
| 16:51 | owen | But on opac-addbookbybiblionumber.pl, the script has to retrieve its own list of existing lists |
| 16:51 | my ($shelflist) = GetRecentShelves($shelftype, $limit, $shelftype == 3 ? undef : $loggedinuser); ? | |
| 16:52 | atz | that looks like it would be it... |
| 16:52 | that must be newer than the last time i worked on shelves though | |
| 17:12 | tomascohen | we're having some errors when trying to use authorities in the stable branch |
| 17:12 | easily reproducible, so I'll post it to bugzilla | |
| 17:13 | creating and saving an auth, then trying to edit (without changes) | |
| 17:13 | it again | |
| 17:13 | leads to a crash when trying to save it | |
| 17:14 | and a ZOOM error in the logs | |
| 17:15 | anyone perceived this behaviour? | |
| 17:20 | hdl_laptop | tomascohen: can you detail and give the bug # you filed. Going to dinner |
| 17:21 | tomascohen | i didn't fill it yet, was trying to have some feedbach before I posted it |
| 17:21 | i'll leave the bug # soon | |
| 17:56 | chris_n | owen: I added that limit back in June 08. See the notes on this commit: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]33afab974d57ac4b9 |
| 17:57 | particularly those pertaining to C4::VirtualShelves::GetRecentShelves | |
| 17:58 | owen | chris_n: But why would a limit need to be enforced for a page like opac-addbybiblionumber.pl? That's not a session-based thing is it? |
| 17:59 | chris_n | I don't know about that page in particular... |
| 17:59 | atz | owen: at that point, I don't think that it is |
| 18:05 | chris_n | ahh, right. It should not apply to the drop-down list. |
| 18:05 | let me look again | |
| 18:06 | owen: iirc there was some discussion on just what to do here | |
| 18:07 | if a patron created 100 private lists, the drop-down could become unwieldy | |
| 18:08 | best I remember, the prevailing thought was that a syspref could be developed to allow the limit to be specified locally rather than hard-coded | |
| 18:08 | hence my comments in the commit | |
| 18:08 | owen | How else could the patron add something to one of their 100 lists? |
| 18:08 | atz | chris_n: that's not really good enough |
| 18:09 | chris_n | that is the problem |
| 18:09 | owen | Isn't it up to that patron to deal with the fact that they have too many lists? |
| 18:09 | atz | right |
| 18:09 | this is one place where you need to at least allow an override like "show all" | |
| 18:09 | chris_n | so will the browser behave well with a super-long drop-down? |
| 18:09 | atz | otherwise their old material ends up in a black hole |
| 18:10 | there are performance limits... but think about it. How many dropdowns are perfectly fine w/ all 50 states? | |
| 18:10 | or all 150+ countries? | |
| 18:10 | chris_n | at any rate, the limit can be set arbitrarily high which should preclude the issue. |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | yea, people don't mind scrolling, and if they have 100 lists, they probably want to see them all |
| 18:11 | atz | has to be in order though... or else you can't use keystrokes to jump through it |
| 18:12 | wizzyrea | truth |
| 18:14 | though if you watch people, not many of them know the keystroke trick | |
| 18:14 | only us folks who live online | |
| 18:14 | ;) | |
| 18:14 | owen | In my experience, people don't even know you can use the tab key to move between form fields. |
| 18:14 | wizzyrea | yep, mouse... click.... type... mouse... click.... type |
| 18:15 | chris_n | the call can probably be changed to GetShelves rather than to GetRecentShelves |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | and they get confused when you tell them |
| 18:15 | i've stopped doing so | |
| 18:15 | "whoa whoa whoa, you mean there's another way?!" | |
| 18:17 | owen | chris_n: I thought we needed the limited query of lists for the Lists button in the search bar. Isn't that the one that stores your lists in your session? |
| 18:17 | chris_n | the query returns the lists grouped by shelfnumber rather than alphabetically |
| 18:18 | I'm thinking of changing just the call which builds the drop-down on opac-search.pl | |
| 18:20 | of course, public lists are at the bottom of the user's lists | |
| 18:20 | owen: are we looking at the same page? | |
| 18:21 | owen | I'm looking at the issue described in this bug report: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3523 |
| 18:21 | munin | 04Bug 3523: normal, P5, ---, oleonardmyacpl.org, NEW, Missing scroll bar at opac-addbybiblionumber.pl |
| 18:22 | chris_n | then there are two places it may need to be changed |
| 18:23 | I see the problem mentioned in 3523 | |
| 18:23 | that may be as easy as changing the function call, but I'd have to look at it more | |
| 18:24 | opac-search.pl also presents a limited list of both private and public lists | |
| 18:24 | I'm assuming if it gets changed one place it needs to be changed there as well. | |
| 18:31 | owen: feel free to reassign the bug to me, but it probably will not get serious attention until after my labels work is completed. | |
| 18:31 | owen | I'll take later over never! |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | me too ^.^ and sharon would agree I'm sure |
| 18:50 | Sharon | yep. I'm just happy it's being looked at. |
| 19:20 | chris | morning |
| 19:21 | jdavidb | Hi, chris! |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt | hi chris, jdavidb, schuster |
| 19:37 | jwagner | Hi, all! |
| 19:37 | pianohacker1 | Hello |
| 19:51 | baseballfreak47 | hello I was wondering if i could get some help on apache |
| 19:51 | pianohacker | Depends, what do you need? |
| 19:51 | baseballfreak47 | I was wondering if I could get a download link |
| 19:51 | i went through the website and can not find it! | |
| 19:52 | i fell rather dumb asking because its probably very obvious | |
| 19:52 | pianohacker | baseballfreak47: Normally you wouldn't be getting apache that way. Koha 2.2, which is available for windows, comes with Apache |
| 19:52 | baseballfreak47 | I am installing it on debain |
| 19:53 | I just realized you are the person who helped me last time | |
| 19:53 | pianohacker | Then you would install it by using the following command as root: apt-get install apache2 |
| 19:53 | baseballfreak47 | Im not very computer savy could i get that in english? |
| 19:54 | sorry | |
| 19:54 | pianohacker | Start by opening a Terminal. Are you using GNOME or KDE? |
| 19:54 | baseballfreak47 | how do i know? |
| 19:54 | right now im on a vista computer | |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | Ah. Have you already installed debian? |
| 19:55 | baseballfreak47 | the instqll disc is currently downloading |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | Ok. |
| 19:55 | It might be easiest to walk you through once you have debian installed and running | |
| 19:55 | baseballfreak47 | oh okay |
| 19:55 | jw how often are you on here/ | |
| 19:56 | every time ive asked questions its been you | |
| 19:56 | pianohacker | Varies, unfortunately |
| 19:56 | baseballfreak47 | haah |
| 19:56 | jdavidb | pianohacker lives here, I think. |
| 19:56 | baseballfreak47 | hows Colorado |
| 19:56 | weather wise | |
| 19:56 | pianohacker | Fairly good. Rather rainy right now |
| 19:56 | baseballfreak47 | oh i wish it would rain here |
| 19:57 | chris | ok off to catch my bus |
| 19:57 | pianohacker | Bye |
| 19:57 | baseballfreak47 | adios |
| 20:04 | chris_n | will $ENV{'HTTP_REFERER'} always (or nearly always) be correct? |
| 20:04 | pianohacker | If the browser sends the correct header, yes. |
| 20:04 | What are you using it for? | |
| 20:05 | chris_n | to build a "Done" button which sends the user back to the referring page (which may be different each time) |
| 20:05 | ie. many pages may call one page; one page needs to send the user back to the place they came from | |
| 20:06 | pianohacker | You could always use the ENV variable and default it to something reasonable if it isn't present |
| 20:06 | chris_n | great idea, tnx pianohacker |
| 20:29 | richard | hi |
| 20:29 | pianohacker | hello |
| 20:48 | chris | back |
| 20:54 | chris_n | hi chris |
| 21:29 | chris | hmm |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | hmmm? |
| 21:51 | chris | trying to remember what i was supposed to do today |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | erm, save the world one library at a time? |
| 21:55 | ...that seems achieveable | |
| 21:56 | chris | hehe |
| 21:56 | lamiette | do we have a "Captain Koha" mascot or anything to go with that goal? |
| 21:59 | chris | dont give people ideas lamiette |
| 22:01 | awesone!! | |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | chris_n++ |
| 22:06 | chris_n | heading out for food... bbl |
| 22:58 | baseballfreak47 | I have a barcode question can anyone help/ |
| 22:59 | can someone answer a few quick questions | |
| 23:00 | Can I use any barcode scanner for koha ? | |
| 23:01 | ? | |
| 23:03 | chris | yes |
| 23:03 | pretty much any | |
| 23:03 | if you can open up a text editor (like notepad in windows) | |
| 23:04 | scan a barcode, and it appears in the text editor | |
| 23:04 | then it will work with koha | |
| 23:07 | baseballfreak47 | oh ok |
| 23:07 | how can i tell before I buy it? | |
| 23:09 | chris | you want one that is a keyboard wedge |
| 23:09 | those are the magic words | |
| 23:09 | baseballfreak47 | thats what its called a keyboard wedge barcode scanner? |
| 23:09 | chris | http://computing.kelkoo.co.uk/[…]oard_wedge-115401 <-- any of those ones would work with koha |
| 23:10 | baseballfreak47 | oh okay thank you very much |
| 23:10 | chris | Interface type: Keyboard wedge |
| 23:10 | thats what you want to hear/see | |
| 23:10 | baseballfreak47 | oh i see i understand now |
| 23:10 | thank you much | |
| 23:10 | chris | np |
| 23:14 | baseballfreak47 | just making sure will this one work? |
| 23:14 | http://cgi.ebay.com/PSC-HANDHE[…]ksid=p3286.c0.m14 | |
| 23:14 | chris | hmm that link doesnt work for me |
| 23:15 | baseballfreak47 | what browser are you using?> |
| 23:15 | chris | firefox |
| 23:15 | baseballfreak47 | probably because it is a us page and your in uk? |
| 23:15 | chris | nope |
| 23:15 | This listing () has been removed, or this item is not available. | |
| 23:15 | * | |
| 23:15 | Please check that you've entered the correct item number | |
| 23:15 | is what ebay says | |
| 23:15 | (im in NZ btw) | |
| 23:16 | baseballfreak47 | weird |
| 23:16 | oh ok | |
| 23:16 | this is what it says: | |
| 23:17 | PSC HANDHELD LASER BARCODE SCANNER & QuikLink 501 Wedge | |
| 23:17 | does it sound like it should work? | |
| 23:17 | chris | no idea sorry |
| 23:18 | baseballfreak47 | oh ok |
| 23:18 | chris | google seems to suggest it would |
| 23:18 | Jo | morning all |
| 23:19 | chris | hi Jo |
| 23:19 | Jo | feel like I have been dragged through a gorse bush by a tractor |
| 23:20 | Had the library management reviewer onsite all day yesterday which capped a week of finding or creating paperwork. | |
| 23:21 | chris | ahhh fun |
| 23:21 | Jo | so that post-andrenaline hangover period |
| 23:22 | chris | heh |
| 23:37 | baseballfreak47 | so chris you think that will work? |
| 23:41 | chris | don't know, but it looks like it should |
| 23:41 | baseballfreak47 | okay thank you |
| 23:43 | joetho | baseballfreak47 don't forget about the "power supply not included" thing |
| 23:44 | this looks like a pretty old scanner, but new enough to have a PS/2 plug | |
| 23:47 | here's a usb scanner from HongKong, shipped, for thirty bucks. It LOOKS like it would work. Sounds good on paper, anyway... | |
| 23:48 | look for one that supports all kinds of symbologies, like 3 of 9, etc etc | |
| 23:50 | "keyboard wedge" refers to how some scanners used to plug in- they had a little pigtail that put them inline with the keyboard, thus the "wedge" | |
| 23:50 | chris | yeah its come to mean "looks like a keyboard to the OS" now |
| 23:51 | which is what you want | |
| 23:51 | joetho | I am starting to look like a keyboard myself. |
| 23:51 | chris | heh |
| 23:51 | joetho | time to hang it up |
| 00:01 | baseballfreak47 | hey chris i have another questino |
| 00:02 | if it says this does that probably mean it will work? | |
| 00:02 | "The LS 4008i ensures connectivity to virtually any host with universal cabling and multiple onboard interfaces, including USB, RS-232C, IBM468X/9X, Keyboard Wedge, Wand and Synapse. Advanced Data Formatting (ADF) capabilities allow scanned data to be modified prior to transfer, ensuring compatibility with the application on the host system. " | |
| 00:03 | chris | sure looks like it |
| 00:59 | man, this tweet sounded so much cooler than it actually is | |
| 00:59 | http://twitter.com/kohails/statuses/3252878350 | |
| 01:00 | gmcharlt | yeah, I noticed that too - false advertising ;) |
| 01:01 | chris | we had a koha monk |
| 01:01 | back in the early days, a polish koha monk | |
| 01:01 | gmcharlt | chris: doesn't slef support a bunch of them? |
| 01:01 | chris | probably :) |
| 01:51 | chris_n2 | g'evening |
| 01:51 | pianohacker | Hey |
| 02:04 | Good night | |
| 02:17 | chris_n2 | catalogue/moredetail.pl now has a "Print Label" button in its toolbar... |
| 02:18 | sounds like a job for tomorrow | |
| 02:45 | baseballfreak47 | are there any advantages when installing koha on debain as apposed to ubuntu? |
| 02:48 | anyone have time to help/ | |
| 02:50 | bob | the main contributers do their work on debian so I'd suspect they would be better to help if things go wrong if you went the debian way |
| 02:53 | baseballfreak47 | I tried debain but it is extremely hard to use |
| 02:53 | bob | it can be a bit of a steep learning curve |
| 02:53 | baseballfreak47 | personally |
| 02:53 | oops | |
| 02:53 | wring box | |
| 02:54 | ya its not as user friendly as other lynux based os | |
| 03:09 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
| 03:09 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:09 | chris | hi amit |
| 03:10 | Amit | 13 death in india due to swine flue |
| 03:10 | chris | how many for the regular flu? |
| 03:10 | here more ppl have died from that, than swine flu still | |
| 03:11 | Amit | around 1000 in india |
| 03:11 | most in pune | |
| 03:51 | brendan | hi amit |
| 05:34 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
| 05:34 | munin | greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 28.0°C (10:10 AM IST on August 12, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 94%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:47 | brendan | good evening #koha |
| 05:49 | Amit | hi brendan |
| 05:50 | @wunder New Delhi | |
| 05:50 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in New Delhi, India is 34.0°C (11:00 AM IST on August 12, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 67%. Dew Point: 27.0°C. Pressure: 29.65 in 1004 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:50 | Amit | @wunder Dehradun |
| 05:50 | munin | Amit: The current temperature in Dehradun, India is 27.0°C (8:30 AM IST on August 12, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain. Humidity: 85%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.64 in 1004 hPa. |
| 05:50 | Amit | @wunder Mysore |
| 05:50 | munin | Amit: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 05:59 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 06:08 | Amit | hi hdl |
| 07:04 | kf | good morning #koha |
| 07:05 | chris | hi kf |
| 07:05 | kf | hi chris |
| 07:10 | have bug reporting on my todo list today - hope today I will find time for it | |
| 07:10 | chris | :) |
| 07:36 | natnat | hi |
| 07:37 | anybody here willing to help a newbie | |
| 07:41 | kf | natnat: just ask your question, perhaps I can help - or somebody else will answer |
| 08:23 | chris | the magical psychic question approach |
| 08:25 | kf | did I scare him away? |
| 08:30 | chris | hehe |
| 08:47 | kf | started with something easy @bug 3524 |
| 08:47 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3524 minor, P5, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, Display of item type image/description when placing holds (broken image / no description) |
| 08:52 | chris | cool |
| 08:56 | kf | ok, working on holds now, question: is it a bug, when I can place a hold (title level or item level) on an item I have checked out? |
| 08:56 | I think it is | |
| 08:58 | chris | i think it might not be |
| 08:58 | if it is an item that doesnt allow renewals | |
| 08:58 | but you know you wont finish it, so you want to get it out again | |
| 08:59 | people do that at public libraries | |
| 08:59 | so it would need to be a system preference | |
| 08:59 | kf | I think its unfair |
| 08:59 | I would check out the item and set a hold on it | |
| 08:59 | so I can keep it longer | |
| 08:59 | chris | yes, but it should be up to the library to decide if they allow it |
| 09:00 | kf | ok |
| 09:00 | chris | and you still have to return it |
| 09:00 | kf | so its an enhancement? |
| 09:00 | chris | yep |
| 09:00 | someone else might have put a hold on it before you too | |
| 09:00 | so you still wouldnt nessecarily get it back right away | |
| 09:02 | kf | just asked my colleague about our current system |
| 09:02 | it can be configured | |
| 09:04 | chris | yep, so an option to configure it would be a good enhancement |
| 09:09 | kf | ok, will try to write something |
| 09:10 | option to avoid placing holds on checked out items/titles - ok? | |
| 09:11 | hm | |
| 09:13 | chris | yep sounds good to me |
| 09:18 | kf | hm perhaps its really more a feature than a bug |
| 09:18 | chris | yep, i think its a feature |
| 09:18 | but features go in bugzilla too, just as enhancements | |
| 09:18 | natnat | hi |
| 09:19 | kf | yes, but the more I think about it, the more I think its ok how Koha is working now |
| 09:19 | natnat | i have successfully installed koha in fedora core 10 |
| 09:19 | kf | perhaps Im just used to our current system |
| 09:20 | natnat | the problem i have is in adding koha-zebra-daemon to services that would start during boot time |
| 09:22 | chris | right |
| 09:22 | you have symlinked the file into /etc/init.d ? | |
| 09:22 | natnat | yes... |
| 09:23 | chris | so on fedora you have to use chkconfig |
| 09:23 | http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/chkconfig8.html | |
| 09:23 | natnat | ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon |
| 09:24 | chris | but chkconfig is how you add it to the rc.d directories |
| 09:24 | check out the example in that man page | |
| 09:25 | so you have to edit that file | |
| 09:25 | add in some lines | |
| 09:25 | ah well, i tried | |
| 09:36 | kf | yes. |
| 09:41 | ok, added my test cases to AllowOnShelfHoldsBug - works great now in 3.2 :) Will discuss the enhancement for holds on checkouts with my colleagues before filing a bug | |
| 09:42 | thx for your insight on this feature chris :) | |
| 09:45 | chris | no problem |
| 10:05 | nathan1021 | hi |
| 10:06 | i have some few issues with koha in fedora core 10 | |
| 10:06 | i have successfully installed it | |
| 10:06 | its up and running | |
| 10:07 | but hit a wall when trying to run zebra server | |
| 10:07 | chris | 21:23 < chris> so on fedora you have to use chkconfig |
| 10:07 | 21:23 < chris> http://linuxcommand.org/man_pages/chkconfig8.html | |
| 10:07 | 21:23 < natnat> ln -s /usr/share/koha/bin/koha-zebra-ctl.sh /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon | |
| 10:07 | 21:24 * chris is a debian user so i would do sudo update-rc.d koha-zebra-daemon defaults | |
| 10:07 | 21:24 < chris> but chkconfig is how you add it to the rc.d directories | |
| 10:07 | 21:24 < chris> check out the example in that man page | |
| 10:08 | nathan1021 | i have already add using chkconfig |
| 10:09 | since koha-zebra-ctl.sh is not "compatible" with chkconfig | |
| 10:09 | i have to add the two lines in the top of the file | |
| 10:09 | chris | yes |
| 10:09 | nathan1021 | #chkconfig: 2345 20 80 |
| 10:09 | chris | yes |
| 10:09 | nathan1021 | #description: Koha Server Daemon |
| 10:10 | i have already added those lines. | |
| 10:10 | then run | |
| 10:10 | chkconfig --add koha-zebra-daemon | |
| 10:12 | chris | yep |
| 10:12 | nathan1021 | is that all i need to do?? |
| 10:12 | chris | yep its added to the runtimes now |
| 10:13 | nathan1021 | im not sure exactly if zebra is already running during boot time |
| 10:13 | how do i check inside koha if zebra is running? | |
| 10:13 | chris | you dont, but you can do a ps axf | grep "zebra" |
| 10:14 | or /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start | |
| 10:14 | you probably are missing the daemon program, unless you have installed it already | |
| 10:16 | but if you try to start it, it should say something about it missing if it is | |
| 10:16 | http://www.libslack.org/daemon/#download | |
| 10:20 | nathan1022 | sorry i got disconnected |
| 10:20 | chris | what was the last thing you saw? |
| 10:21 | nathan1022 | when i tried /etc/init.d/koha-zebra-daemon start it cant start |
| 10:21 | chris | right |
| 10:21 | 22:14 < chris> you probably are missing the daemon program, unless you have installed it already | |
| 10:21 | 22:17 < chris> but if you try to start it, it should say something about it missing if it is | |
| 10:21 | 22:17 < chris> http://www.libslack.org/daemon/#download | |
| 10:22 | nathan1022 | so... that must be it |
| 10:22 | it did not understand the options like --name | |
| 10:22 | etc... | |
| 10:22 | thanks... | |
| 10:22 | i'll try it tomorrow... | |
| 10:23 | im in a different command center right now | |
| 10:51 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: around ? |
| 10:52 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: yes |
| 10:52 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 10:52 | how are you ? | |
| 10:52 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 10:52 | how are you? | |
| 10:52 | hdl_laptop | good. |
| 10:53 | Just wondering whether reconciliation branch would be truly a reconciliation branch. | |
| 10:53 | I read the RFCs down. | |
| 10:54 | I am wondering whether something was done for items ? | |
| 10:54 | gmcharlt | what about items, specifically? |
| 10:54 | chris | http://www.mizstik.co.cc/2009/08/koha-livecd/ |
| 10:57 | hehe did you tweet that before or after i pasted it gmcharlt ? :) | |
| 10:57 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: items out of biblioitems. |
| 11:15 | gmcharlt | chris: after - should have credited |
| 11:16 | hdl_laptop: taking items out of MARC blob is my personal project | |
| 11:17 | hdl_laptop | will you be able to make it for 3.2 ? |
| 11:17 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 11:43 | chris | gmcharlt: naw, wasnt angling for credit, just was wondering if you saw it in your feedreader same time as me :) |
| 11:44 | google blog search picks things up fast | |
| 11:49 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 11:51 | kf | good night chris |
| 11:53 | gmcharlt | g'night |
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