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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:15 | vedran | is there any Linux plication equivalent to Marc Edit? |
| 12:15 | |Lupin| | vedran: not as far as I know |
| 12:16 | gmcharlt | vedran: nothing that covers the whole panapoly |
| 12:16 | but you can run MarcEdit on mono | |
| 12:16 | hdl_laptop: hi | |
| 12:16 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt |
| 12:17 | vedran | gmcharlt: OK, I guess there are some tools that I see on sourceforge.net, but I do not know all their features and how they work in practise |
| 12:19 | |Lupin| | vedran: what do you need to do ? |
| 12:20 | vedran | |Lupin|: I need to transfer existing library data into Marc21 format |
| 12:20 | |Lupin| | vedran: and the existing system does not provide an export to marc21 feature ? |
| 12:21 | vedran | |Lupin|: no, existing system is a sort of very basic application based on ph/mysql |
| 12:22 | |Lupin|: I can try to export as csv and then try to generate Marc21 | |
| 12:22 | |Lupin| | vedran: why not, yes |
| 12:23 | vedran | I want to see is there anything in Linux that can do it |
| 12:23 | |Lupin| | vedran: if you are a bit familiar with perl |
| 12:23 | vedran: you may want to use MARC::Record | |
| 12:23 | vedran: IMO it's wrth learning to use this module, and there is a good tutorial for it | |
| 12:23 | vedran | |Lupin|: I am not perl developer |
| 12:24 | |Lupin| | vedran: ok |
| 12:24 | vedran: then I have no suggesiton, sorry | |
| 12:24 | vedran | |Lupin|: ok, thanks, where I can find documentation for it |
| 12:25 | |Lupin| | vedran: for what ? |
| 12:25 | ebegin | vedran, you may have overlooked gmcharlt comment. You may be able to run MarcEdit on Linux by using mono (http://mono-project.com/) |
| 12:25 | vedran | |Lupin|: Marc::Record |
| 12:26 | |Lupin| | vedran: perldoc MARC::Doc::Tutorial |
| 12:28 | vedran | ebegin: thanks |
| 12:28 | I have to ho now, bbl | |
| 12:45 | |Lupin| | brb |
| 14:28 | Snow_Fox | hey RHCL |
| 14:28 | sorry about Kansas being in the wash cycle more comming your way | |
| 14:30 | rhcl | Hey hey |
| 14:30 | We've got decent WX here right now. | |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | it's byoootiful in Lawrence |
| 14:30 | rhcl | Sun shining, not too hot (yet)... |
| 14:30 | wizzyrea | @wunder Lawrence, KS |
| 14:30 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 21.0°C (9:30 AM CDT on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 60%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.10 in 1019.2 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:31 | Snow_Fox | its spiffy here |
| 14:32 | rhcl | Morning (afternoon?) slef |
| 14:43 | Snow_Fox | hey when i worked fast food, i gave up trying to keep track of what time period i was in and would sometimes go |
| 14:43 | hey good temperal period to ya | |
| 14:45 | rhcl | I am a little confusted... |
| 14:46 | jdavidb | @wunder bethesda, md |
| 14:46 | munin | jdavidb: The current temperature in WRC-Tenlytown, Washington, District of Columbia is 28.9°C (10:46 AM EDT on July 17, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 59%. Dew Point: 20.0°C. Pressure: 29.94 in 1013.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:46 | rhcl | I used to live in Laurel. |
| 14:46 | jdavidb | Hotter here than in Kansas? Wow. |
| 14:46 | Snow_Fox | hey were def colder |
| 14:46 | kansas is the land of extremes | |
| 14:48 | jdavidb | I would expect that, in the winter...but in the middle of summer? |
| 14:49 | Snow_Fox | its Kansas :-P |
| 14:57 | nicomo | magnusenger: around? |
| 15:55 | wizzyrea | owen: what plugin are you using to display code on your blog? |
| 15:56 | owen | http://www.beyondcoding.com/20[…]highlighter-plus/ |
| 15:56 | ...but I guess I should be looking at http://wordpress.org/extend/pl[…]yntaxhighlighter/ | |
| 15:57 | wizzyrea | owen: awesome, thanks |
| 15:57 | you are cranking out some sweet posts these days :) | |
| 15:57 | owen | Yeah, I just have to pick some other things to neglect ;) |
| 15:58 | gmcharlt | owen++ |
| 16:00 | owen | Hey, anyone know of a good example of an OPAC which ties record URLs to a session so they can't be shared? |
| 16:09 | Hmmm... Maybe not such a common problem anymore? | |
| 16:18 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Cool, looks like you're home safe |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: buried in cats, but safe |
| 16:19 | pianohacker | owen: You mean like http://.../opac-detail.pl?biblionumber=800 ? |
| 16:19 | Heheh | |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: no, more like http://..../&sessionid=5482u9pgrjkl089543809&second_session_id=2398ewjkvbdsfdsafdsa - that sort of think |
| 16:21 | pianohacker | Ah, yes. Verso spits out urls like that, I believe |
| 16:21 | gmcharlt | owen: http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin[…]90717122058&SID=1 |
| 16:21 | owen: from LC's catalog | |
| 16:22 | owen | That works for me. Will it expire? |
| 16:22 | gmcharlt | although to be fair, they also have a more reasonably permalink |
| 16:22 | http://catalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin[…]26%22&v3=1&CNT=10 | |
| 16:22 | pianohacker | http://nexus-verso.auto-graphi[…]9c73-35f924f6828b |
| 17:03 | atz | owen: yeah, LOC is a punk that way |
| 18:07 | wizzyrea | owen: sirsi ties catalog searches to a session |
| 18:07 | at least it used to | |
| 18:15 | http://kcaqua.kclibrary.org/re[…]ame=1247854457986 | |
| 18:15 | lordy | |
| 18:25 | pianohacker | Has anyone else been getting emails from SMECC when sending to the Koha mailing list? |
| 18:25 | owen | Yes |
| 18:25 | If enough of us email back and complain maybe they'll turn it off | |
| 18:25 | pianohacker | Ah, good. Where did I put my DDOS botnet... |
| 18:25 | I'll show them a complaint | |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | if we don't hear from them in the next day or two, I'm going to ask chris to remove them from the Koha mailing list |
| 18:26 | absolutely unacceptable behavior | |
| 18:26 | pianohacker | gmcharlt: Sounds good |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | but I'll assume that they're being clueness for now rather than malicious |
| 18:29 | pianohacker | What's even better is that they include the usual annoying and pointless confidentiality warning, too |
| 18:33 | brb | |
| 18:42 | jdavidb | gmcharlt: Another believer in Hanlon's Razor, I see. :) Me too. Cluelessness is far more common than malice. |
| 18:42 | gmcharlt | indeed |
| 18:59 | chris | morning |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 19:00 | rhcl | hi chris |
| 19:05 | wizzyrea | Chris, happy weekend |
| 19:09 | chris | so far so good |
| 19:09 | kahu and I are watching maisy under blankets on the couch | |
| 19:10 | rhcl | Is maisy cold? |
| 19:11 | owen | :P |
| 19:11 | chris | yeah, i needed some comma's in there :) |
| 19:11 | @wunder wellington, nz | |
| 19:11 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (7:00 AM NZST on July 18, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.42 in 996 hPa (Steady). |
| 19:11 | rhcl | Oh, maisy isn't under the blankets. |
| 19:13 | chris | maisy is currently in a library, and charlie is being loud |
| 19:17 | rhcl | maisy must not be cereal |
| 19:17 | chris | yeah, charlie is awesome |
| 19:18 | big crocodile that laughs all the time | |
| 19:18 | owen | Now see what we did chris? Patches will lie untouched while gmcharlt immerses himself in Maisy mythology |
| 19:18 | chris | hehe |
| 19:18 | welcome to our world :) | |
| 19:18 | gmcharlt | well, since my rugrats have four legs apiece, not much worry of that :-P |
| 19:18 | owen | Actually I'm kinda bummed because Maisy isn't on anymore here. Thatcher's never even seen it |
| 19:19 | chris | ohhh thats a shame |
| 19:19 | (we have dvd's) | |
| 19:19 | safer than watching tv | |
| 19:19 | you dont get ambushed by little einsteins | |
| 19:20 | which makes me want to throw things at the tv | |
| 19:20 | owen | How else are the tykes going to get indoctrinated into the white male perspective? |
| 19:21 | chris | hehe |
| 19:21 | words of wisdom from kahu just now "I love wheelbarrows!" | |
| 19:21 | i have no idea where that one came from | |
| 19:25 | wizzyrea: you feeling any better? | |
| 19:32 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]-All-Blacks-storm | |
| 19:33 | (nz vs australia in rugby tonight... thats all ppl will be talking about for the day) | |
| 19:53 | hi sekjal | |
| 19:53 | sekjal | does anyone in here know what would happen if I tried to import a MARC record with multiple subfield 'o' in the 952 field? |
| 19:53 | hi, chris | |
| 19:54 | pianohacker | Multiple callnumbers? I think Koha would just use the first one |
| 19:54 | sekjal | that's what I'm hoping |
| 19:54 | pianohacker | The others _might_ be kept in more_subfields_xml, but I wouldn't count on it |
| 19:54 | Snow_Fox | im gonna go out on a limb here and say chaos destruction end of days type thing |
| 19:54 | but thena gian | |
| 19:54 | i dont know Koha that well | |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | Snow_Fox: How are your Koha escapades going these days? |
| 19:55 | Snow_Fox | going well enough |
| 19:55 | chris | i think it will use the first one, and all of them will exist in the xml, until you edit it |
| 19:55 | Snow_Fox | i think i have a handle of the system basics and how to fiddle with stuff |
| 19:55 | chris | thats my guess anyway |
| 19:55 | Snow_Fox | still havnt a clue about MARC and other biblio stuff cause i didnt start life as a Librarian |
| 19:55 | but it goes | |
| 19:56 | pianohacker | sekjal: (01:55:37 PM) chris: i think it will use the first one, and all of them will exist in the xml, until you edit it |
| 19:56 | I know enough MARC to get around and little enough not to go insane, just through having to work with it | |
| 19:57 | sekjal | sorry for disappearing... using the Mibbit widgit on my iGoogle page. need to stop that |
| 19:57 | chris | :) |
| 19:58 | screen + irssi = never disappearing :) | |
| 19:58 | sekjal | so, Koha will likely grab the first itemcallnumber it sees, and ignore a second |
| 19:58 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 19:58 | sekjal | good |
| 19:58 | pianohacker | The other item subfields should be much the same |
| 19:59 | sekjal | I'm trying to come up with a way to put our biblio level call numbers into our items, unless an item level call number already exists |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | sekjal: I _think_ the itemcallnumber system preference will do that for you |
| 20:00 | Not sure if it will do so on import, YMMV | |
| 20:01 | sekjal | I'll investigate. I need to do another import with my updated XSLT, |
| 20:02 | and we're also working to standardize all our call numbers into the 090 field | |
| 20:02 | (currently mixed 090 and 050) | |
| 21:16 | wizzyrea | chris: I feel less icky than yesterday. But still icky :P |
| 21:16 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: Ouch. Icky in what way? |
| 21:25 | chris | hopefully you get some sleep over the weekend |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | um... half cold-like and half flu-like |
| 21:29 | rhcl | Cold Swine Flu? |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | oh snap |
| 21:29 | probably | |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | Bacon Flu? |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 21:30 | mmm bacon | |
| 21:30 | gmcharlt | sorry :) |
| 21:30 | get well soon | |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | nah I like it, that amuses me |
| 21:30 | pianohacker | If it's Cold Bacon Flu, I have _exactly_ the cure for that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9dskxN10N0 |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | but ty, I hope to get well soon |
| 21:30 | chris | mmm bacon |
| 21:31 | its brunch day today | |
| 21:31 | pianohacker | Heh |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | ...wow... simply... |
| 21:31 | wow | |
| 21:32 | pianohacker: that is, I have no words | |
| 21:32 | chris | which basically consist of getting everything done so that there is utterly no need to be in town from about 5pm onwards |
| 21:32 | hehe that is pretty special | |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | Flaming bacon may become my new favorite curse |
| 21:33 | "holy flaming bacon batman!" | |
| 21:33 | chris | hehe thats yet another thing laurel misses from america |
| 21:33 | wizzyrea | bacon? |
| 21:33 | chris | the cut of it |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | ahh |
| 21:34 | chris | we dont do the streaky strips, fried until they break |
| 21:34 | :) | |
| 21:34 | mostly shoulder bacon here | |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | then, what do you do with the belly? |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | Bacon's just not the same unless it's ridiculously unhealthy |
| 21:34 | wizzyrea | pianohacker speaks truth |
| 21:35 | i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think) | |
| 21:35 | chris | well you can get belly too |
| 21:35 | jdavidb | Now, how to get Munin to add that line from wizzyrea ... |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | but you have to ask for "belly bacon" |
| 21:35 | chris | shoulder is actually more fatter |
| 21:35 | yep | |
| 21:35 | wizzyrea | hrm. |
| 21:35 | chris | well middle bacon |
| 21:35 | http://www.freedomfarms.co.nz/[…]shoulderbacon.asp | |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | I like pork in general. I think I'd be ok with this |
| 21:36 | chris | is what is in my fridge |
| 21:36 | wizzyrea | lol jdavidb |
| 21:37 | chris | http://www.freedomfarms.co.nz/[…]/streakybacon.asp <--- might have to find this next time |
| 21:37 | wizzyrea | it's really "streaky bacon" |
| 21:37 | like, that's the term for it? | |
| 21:37 | chris | @quote add < wizzyrea> i mean, the point of american bacon is to erm, use the belly of the hog (I think) |
| 21:37 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. Quote #16 added. |
| 21:37 | chris | yeah |
| 21:37 | nzers are kinda literal | |
| 21:38 | pianohacker | Streaky doesn't immediately sound like something I'd want in my food |
| 21:38 | "Sorry Dad, the ham went all streaky, had to throw it out" | |
| 21:38 | wizzyrea | kind of reminds me of windows |
| 21:38 | the glass things, not the OS | |
| 21:38 | jdavidb | @quote add <wizzyrea>"holy flaming bacon batman!" |
| 21:38 | munin | jdavidb: Error: You must be registered to use this command. If you are already registered, you must either identify (using the identify command) or add a hostmask matching your current hostmask (using the "hostmask add" command). |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt | @help register |
| 21:38 | munin | gmcharlt: (register <name> <password>) -- Registers <name> with the given password <password> and the current hostmask of the person registering. You shouldn't register twice; if you're not recognized as a user but you've already registered, use the hostmask add command to add another hostmask to your already-registered user, or use the identify command to identify just for a session. This (1 more message) |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt | @more |
| 21:38 | munin | gmcharlt: command (and all other commands that include a password) must be sent to the bot privately, not in a channel. |
| 21:39 | rhcl | So how much does a pound (how many grams is that?) of bacon in NZ? |
| 21:39 | cost I mean | |
| 21:39 | gmcharlt | @gcalc 1 lb in grams |
| 21:39 | munin | gmcharlt: 1 pound = 453.59237 grams |
| 21:39 | chris | lemme check woolworths online |
| 21:39 | rhcl | Can you imbed munin commands? |
| 21:40 | jdavidb | @quote add <wizzyrea> "holy flaming bacon batman!" |
| 21:40 | munin | jdavidb: The operation succeeded. Quote #17 added. |
| 21:40 | jdavidb | Better. :D |
| 21:40 | rhcl | So how much does a @gcalc 1 lb in grams of bacon cost in NZ? |
| 21:40 | No | |
| 21:40 | gmcharlt | @google price of bacon in NZ |
| 21:40 | munin | gmcharlt: What's really in your bacon? - Manufacturing - NZ Herald News: <http://www.nzherald.co.nz/manu[…]objectid=10576920>; Makin' bacon - features - waikato-times | Stuff.co.nz: <http://www.stuff.co.nz/waikato[…]68358/Makin-bacon>; JSTOR: Wartime Agriculture in Australia and New Zealand, 1939-50: (2 more messages) |
| 21:40 | pianohacker | rhcl: Some commands do parse whatever you say (that's bug 2343) |
| 21:40 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2343 major, P3, ---, joe.atzbergerliblime.com, RESOLVED FIXED, Memberentrygen should not give a default expiry date |
| 21:40 | gmcharlt | @more |
| 21:40 | munin | gmcharlt: <http://links.jstor.org/sici?si[…]AN%3E2.0.CO%3B2-N>; Francisco Bacon price | The Nile - Compare Prices & Save shopping ...: <http://www.getprice.com.au/Fra[…]302--33892445.htm>; Bacon, Ham and Smallgood Manufacturing in Australia - Industry ...: <http://www.just-food.com/store[…]uct.aspx?id=78087>; New Zealand 1855 Perkins (1 more message) |
| 21:40 | gmcharlt | @more |
| 21:40 | munin | gmcharlt: Bacon Chalon stamp set sells for $380542.00: <http://www.glenstephens.com/snapril06.html>; Bacon, Ham and Smallgood Manufacturing Industry Research in ...: <http://www.ibisworld.com.au/in[…]ult.aspx?indid=92>; In The Sticks - R L Bacon for sale - TradeMe.co.nz - New Zealand: <http://www.trademe.co.nz/Books[…]ion-230048262.htm> |
| 21:41 | chris | right |
| 21:41 | pianohacker | rhcl: And of course karma (parsing++) |
| 21:41 | chris | $8.95 for 400grams |
| 21:41 | of streaky | |
| 21:41 | rhcl | So how much does a '@gcalc 1 lb in grams' of bacon cost in NZ? |
| 21:41 | OH wow. | |
| 21:41 | wizzyrea | wow seriously |
| 21:42 | chris | @gcalc 8.95 nzd in USD |
| 21:42 | munin | chris: 8.95 New Zealand dollars = 5.753955 U.S. dollars |
| 21:42 | chris | there ya go |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | @gcalc 5.75 * 2.5 |
| 21:42 | munin | pianohacker: 5.75 * 2.5 = 14.37500 |
| 21:42 | chris | yeah we export most of ours |
| 21:42 | pianohacker | So $14.38 per kg |
| 21:42 | rhcl | $2.50 for 453.59237 grams here. About 1/2 NZ. |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | yea if you get the cheapie stuff (and don't let them lie, there *is* a difference :P) |
| 21:43 | chris | its the same with fish, we can get a much better price exporting |
| 21:43 | so it keeps the price up for local | |
| 21:43 | rhcl | If Kohacon is in NZ next year we need to take chris some bacon. |
| 21:43 | chris | hehe |
| 21:43 | you wont get that through the airport :) | |
| 21:43 | wizzyrea | doh! |
| 21:44 | rhcl | Yea, that'll be considered terrorist material-biohazard or something. |
| 21:44 | wizzyrea | do you ever get tired of answering (dumb) questions about NZ? |
| 21:44 | (mostly from me) | |
| 21:45 | chris | http://www.biosecurity.govt.nz/enter/declare |
| 21:45 | we dont care about terrorists | |
| 21:46 | well not as much as we care about rabies, and TB | |
| 21:46 | :) | |
| 21:46 | liv tyler was famously fined $250 instantly for trying to bring in an apple undeclared | |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | silly actresses |
| 21:47 | rhcl | That's fifty pounds of bacon worth in one apple. |
| 21:47 | chris | hehe |
| 21:47 | wizzyrea | mmm bacon and apples *drool* |
| 21:48 | chris | traveling tip, just declare anything you are even slightly unsure of |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | and that NZ bacon producer chris sent suggests wrapping prunes in bacon. Best. Idea. Ever. |
| 21:49 | rhcl | And you do what with that? Bake it? |
| 21:49 | Snow_Fox | prunes in bacon? |
| 21:49 | chris | oh yeah, that is good |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | I"d guess you'd fry it |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | Deep fry that sucker |
| 21:49 | chris | bake it normally |
| 21:49 | Snow_Fox | .... |
| 21:49 | chris | but yeah, you americans would probably fry it |
| 21:49 | and then put peanut butter and chocolate on it | |
| 21:49 | pianohacker | I wonder if you can deep fry bacon |
| 21:49 | chris | :-) |
| 21:49 | Snow_Fox | ........ |
| 21:49 | wizzyrea | you can deep fry anything |
| 21:49 | :P | |
| 21:50 | Snow_Fox | :\ was hungry but no more |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | my hometown has a treat that is rye bread and swedish meatballs, dipped in batter and deep fried |
| 21:50 | the "viking on a stick" | |
| 21:50 | chris | lol |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | Elvis was a fan of peanut butter and bacon sandwiches |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | which is both hilarious and slightly unsettling |
| 21:50 | pianohacker | Dear god |
| 21:50 | Snow_Fox | Lindsborg? |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea | yep, in your neighborhood |
| 21:50 | :) | |
| 21:51 | Snow_Fox | im so going next time |
| 21:51 | just for viking on a stick | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 21:51 | chris | the nz thing is not deep frying everything, its sticking it into a pie |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | ooh, pie |
| 21:51 | Snow_Fox | just to disturb people with |
| 21:51 | hehe | |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | lol |
| 21:51 | it's too bad they don't give them horns | |
| 21:51 | I think they onlyl do them at hyllningsfest | |
| 21:51 | every 2 year | |
| 21:51 | s | |
| 21:52 | for tacos :P | |
| 21:52 | Snow_Fox | im looking forward to good fajitas tonight |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | ooh also good |
| 21:52 | Snow_Fox | ie where the onions are nicely carmeled |
| 21:52 | wizzyrea | with bacon! |
| 21:52 | oh wait | |
| 21:52 | Snow_Fox | you and my girl friend would def get along |
| 21:52 | rhcl | Our local Long John Silver's is selling fish tacos now. Doesn't sound particularly great to me. |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | ^.^ |
| 21:53 | Snow_Fox | i noticed it at mine too |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | fish tacos (for eating) can be amazing |
| 21:53 | but they have got to be fresh | |
| 21:53 | Snow_Fox | pass |
| 21:53 | wizzy stop messign with my appitite | |
| 21:53 | wizzyrea | fajitas! |
| 21:54 | my roommate in college used to make water chestnuts, wrapped in bacon, and baked in bbq sauce | |
| 21:54 | pianohacker | Snow_Fox: fresh macaroni and cheese with cheddar, pepperjack, parmesan and mozzarella |
| 21:55 | Mom made that last night, was pretty much fantastic | |
| 21:55 | jdavidb | Fish tacos are yummy! I had some when I was in San Diego. |
| 21:55 | Snow_Fox | the chicken carbonara from Martinelles here in salina |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | the best ones I've had (fish tacos) were in hawaii |
| 21:55 | Snow_Fox | has bacon fresh choped green onions with ham and smothered with alfrado sauce |
| 21:55 | wizzyrea | mac and cheese, yum |
| 21:56 | carbonara = yummy too | |
| 21:56 | chris | hehe |
| 21:56 | rhcl | bacon, lettuce and tom sandwich |
| 21:56 | wizzyrea | OMG |
| 21:56 | my favorite thing ever AND i have garden tomatoes! | |
| 21:56 | must remember to get lettuce... | |
| 21:57 | what sucks is that in our climate the lettuce is a spring veg and tomatoes are heartily entrenched in summer | |
| 21:57 | pianohacker | rhcl: Homemade ones of those are pretty good |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | so it's tough to get garden lettuce and garrden tomatoes at the same time |
| 21:57 | pianohacker | wizzyrea: Ahh, so you can't localvore a good BLT? |
| 21:57 | wizzyrea | well you *can* |
| 21:57 | but you have to replant your lettuce in early june | |
| 21:58 | or mid june, or somesuch | |
| 21:58 | ok, gotta go, peps | |
| 21:58 | pianohacker | bye |
| 21:58 | Snow_Fox | kk |
| 21:58 | wizzyrea | ty for the most amusing end to a friday I've had in a while. |
| 21:58 | :) | |
| 21:58 | Snow_Fox | BACON! |
| 21:59 | pianohacker | Hey, my productivity is going to be pretty much busted till dinner, I don't think that's so amusing |
| 21:59 | chris | cya later |
| 22:02 | rhcl | Yea, think I'm outta here too... |
| 22:18 | gmcharlt | exactly why you keep him around? ;) |
| 22:18 | jdavidb | Her. Yes, she's good for that sort of thing, gmcharlt. People ask me why I call her "Minion". I usually calmly point out that good guys have "Sidekicks." |
| 22:19 | gmcharlt | gotcha |
| 23:25 | pianohacker | Good night |
| 04:18 | chris | afternoon |
| 04:37 | thd | chris: I am trying to reconfigure a small Koha with a test set of records but Zebra keeps showing me the previous large test set. |
| 04:39 | s/Zebra/something mysterious/ | |
| 04:39 | chris | have you done a rebuild_zebra.pl -r |
| 04:39 | to reset | |
| 04:39 | (ie delete and rebuild the indexes) | |
| 04:39 | thd | yes but as a bare command that fails |
| 04:40 | chris | with what message? |
| 04:40 | thd | it must be rebuild_zebra -b or -a with -r |
| 04:40 | chris | yeah thats right |
| 04:40 | so give it a b :) | |
| 04:40 | -r -b | |
| 04:40 | or -a (if you want to rebuild the authorities) | |
| 04:40 | thd | must the -r come first? |
| 04:40 | chris | doesnt matter |
| 04:41 | thd | should not matter |
| 04:41 | I have done it many times | |
| 04:41 | chris | put a -v there too |
| 04:41 | so you can see what its doing | |
| 04:41 | and do you run at as the same user who runs the cron job? | |
| 04:42 | thd | I ran as root. |
| 04:42 | chris | because if you are running it with a user that doesnt have permissions to update the files, they wont be updated |
| 04:42 | thd | root must have permissions must it not |
| 04:42 | I have checked and the files are updated | |
| 04:42 | chris | run it with -v |
| 04:42 | ull see how many its updating that way | |
| 04:48 | thd | -v is an unsupported option in one version but I have found another instance of Koha or Zebra perhaps running on the machine |
| 04:48 | chris | that would do it, if you are rebuilding one, and another one is being searched |
| 04:50 | thd | yes, that is it. I have been testing the wrong database |
| 04:50 | :) | |
| 04:53 | I should have looked more carefully at which Koha instance was being served by Apache. | |
| 05:04 | greenmang0 | @wunder mumbai |
| 05:04 | munin | greenmang0: The current temperature in Mumbai, India is 29.0°C (10:10 AM IST on July 18, 2009). Conditions: Haze. Humidity: 79%. Dew Point: 25.0°C. Pressure: 29.62 in 1003 hPa (Steady). |
| 05:08 | chris | pretty warm |
| 08:34 | |Lupin| | hi all |
| 08:41 | chris | hi |Lupin| |
| 08:43 | |Lupin| | hello chris ! |
| 08:43 | how are you ? | |
| 08:43 | chris | good thanks |
| 08:46 | |Lupin| | great |
| 08:49 | is there something special to tell to cpan so that it installs modules in the user's home directory rather than system-wide ? | |
| 08:51 | chris | yes |
| 08:51 | when configuring it | |
| 08:51 | you can give it a prefix to install them in | |
| 08:52 | https://help.webfaction.com/in[…]e&kbarticleid=132 | |
| 08:52 | |Lupin| | chris: ah I didn't do that, thanks. |
| 08:56 | it's strange: step 1 is okay, so I jumped to step 3, which is installing modules, but this didn't work. | |
| 08:57 | chris | you need to do step 2, the configure part of it |
| 08:57 | you can go | |
| 08:57 | cpan -e shell | |
| 08:57 | and then restart the configuration | |
| 08:58 | |Lupin| | chris: I did a cpan initialize and this seemed to work... |
| 08:58 | chris: however I selected automatic configuration. Should I rather use a manual configuration ? | |
| 08:58 | chris | thats right |
| 08:59 | |Lupin| | chris: ok so let's redo that :) |
| 08:59 | chris | you need to do it manually and when you get to the question about parameters for Makefile.PL |
| 08:59 | put in something similair to that webpage | |
| 09:06 | |Lupin| | oho |
| 09:06 | just pressed enter to the question... | |
| 09:07 | chris | whoops |
| 09:07 | have to get to the end and start again | |
| 09:07 | |Lupin| | guess there is no way to go to previous question :) |
| 09:07 | oh maybe it's not too late actually | |
| 09:08 | the question for which I pressed enter had 'site' as a default | |
| 09:08 | chris | right |
| 09:09 | |Lupin| | oh no it's too late actually |
| 09:09 | now it's asking for the parameters for make | |
| 09:09 | make_arg | |
| 09:10 | chris | yeah its the Makefile.PL one you want |
| 09:10 | |Lupin| | Parameters for the 'perl Makefile.PL' command? [INSTALLDIRS=site] was the previous one |
| 09:10 | I think it's there I had to give the right parameters... will have to restart :) | |
| 09:11 | actually I think it is possible to reconfigure just one variable... | |
| 09:21 | chris | yes thats right |
| 09:21 | i cant remember the syntax tho | |
| 09:21 | right, nz just beat australia .. now i can watch prince caspian and relax :) | |
| 09:22 | |Lupin| | :-))) |
| 09:22 | is it rugby you are talking about ? | |
| 09:22 | chris | yes |
| 09:23 | |Lupin| | k :) |
| 09:28 | chris: will there be something special to do at koha install time so that the fresshly installed perl modules (in home dir) are found ? | |
| 09:29 | chris | you probably need to set PERL5LIB before running perl Makefile.PL so it looks in the right place |
| 09:31 | |Lupin| | chris: ok, done already. And with that, even when the script will be run by apache, it will know where to look ? |
| 09:31 | chris | nope |
| 09:31 | you will need to edit the koha-httpd.conf | |
| 09:32 | to make sure the PERL5LIB there includes where the koha modules are, plus where you installed the modules via cpan | |
| 09:42 | |Lupin| | chris: okay, thanks a lot |
| 09:42 | chris | np |
| 10:37 | martinmorris | hello, i'm having trouble indexing with zebra, anybody who can assist? |
| 10:43 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: not sure, but e can try |
| 10:43 | martinmorris: what is your problem exactly ? | |
| 10:43 | martinmorris | actually i might have sorted it, although i'm not sure my export directories are set up entirely correctly |
| 10:43 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: ok |
| 10:43 | martinmorris | can you say what the permissions should be on my /var/lock/koha/zebradb/biblios and authorities directories? |
| 10:44 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: I'd say they have to be readable by the user which is running apache |
| 10:44 | martinmorris | ah |
| 10:44 | and the koha user as well? | |
| 10:45 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: and also if you have a cron job for the indexing the user running this job must be able to write there, I assume |
| 10:45 | martinmorris | so that would be a cron job running rebuild_zebra.pl? |
| 10:45 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: by koha user you mean the one that logs in to the staff client ? |
| 10:45 | martinmorris | no, the koha unix user i had to set up during installation |
| 10:46 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: ah I think this user is a mysql user used to connect to the database, so I think this user does not need special permissions... |
| 10:46 | martinmorris | ok |
| 10:46 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: I'm not even sure there is really a need to create a _system_ koha user |
| 10:46 | I thought it's just a database user... | |
| 10:47 | martinmorris | well i certainly have that too |
| 10:47 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: I mean... you may be able to remove the koha system user because it is not necessary |
| 10:47 | martinmorris | well, if it's doing no harm... :) |
| 10:47 | |Lupin| | unless you have been asked to create it by a documentation... |
| 10:48 | martinmorris | i seem to remember creating it during the installatino |
| 10:48 | doesn't matter | |
| 10:48 | i'm all a bit rusty, i did this last year but now coming back to it all | |
| 10:48 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: no it can't harm, so you can probably keep it at least until your koha installation works |
| 10:48 | martinmorris: in the long run, though, I'd say it's not a very good idea to have useless system accouns | |
| 10:49 | martinmorris: k | |
| 10:49 | martinmorris | brb |
| 10:49 | |Lupin| | why not starting with a clean system then ? i.e. removing everything you did before and just follow the whole procedure again... |
| 11:06 | martinmorris | it's ok, it's working fine :) |
| 11:06 | and probably will remove the koha account but will check through the documentation first just in case | |
| 11:16 | |Lupin| | martinmorris: looks wise, yeah |
| 11:17 | see you all | |
| 11:17 | bye |
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