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| 13:31 | |Lupin| | OT: any LaTeX users (experts) around ? |
| 14:43 | Is it possible in koha to create set of values where a value has an ID, a short textual representation and a long one ? | |
| 14:44 | I guess it's not, so I'm asking just to be sure. | |
| 14:44 | atz | for some things... sounds like you are talking about authorities though? |
| 14:45 | |Lupin| | atz: I don't konw |
| 14:45 | atz: I'm trying o find the best way to define a concept of format fr Koha | |
| 14:45 | format -> file format | |
| 14:46 | atz | like .exe, .pdf, .txt, etc? |
| 14:46 | |Lupin| | For that I'd need an id that may appear in tables, an extension and a description |
| 14:46 | at least these | |
| 14:46 | but this may be a bit too much for KOha... | |
| 14:46 | atz: yes, exactly | |
| 14:46 | joetho | it might be helpful to know why you need it. |
| 14:47 | |Lupin| | joetho: we are trying to re-build a fornt end for a digital library around Koha, that's a story which is a bit long.. |
| 14:48 | first I though creating an authorized value may be enough | |
| 14:48 | but this one can't store extensions, for example | |
| 14:48 | atz | yeah, the part that would fall out is the "short textual description" |
| 14:49 | you only get one description field for auth. vals | |
| 14:49 | but you can get an icon associated, which is nice for filetypes | |
| 14:50 | |Lupin| | atz: hmm. Assuming we use an icon, would there be an alternative text dsplayed ? |
| 14:51 | atz | yeah, see http://atz.dev.kohalibrary.com[…]search.pl?q=heart |
| 14:52 | The small "book" icon, for example | |
| 14:54 | |Lupin| | atz: the thing is we really need a textual desciption, since we wnat to say things like "word document but no structure", or "word document which is well structured". |
| 14:54 | And we also need file extensions. | |
| 14:55 | atz: perhaps I could create an authorized value for the formats, which would store the long descriptions, and then another table in Koha's database which would bind each identifier to the other information Imay need ? | |
| 15:00 | atz | you could... sounds like a fair amount of design work though |
| 15:00 | you'd have to deal with zebra indexing and searching also, if you want that | |
| 15:01 | |Lupin| | atz: right... but I think it is something I can't avoid. After all, the intended use of koha is a bit special, so I don't think it is reasonable to expect being able to do everything without a bit of hacking. |
| 15:01 | atz: just trying to minimize this and to find the most elegant way of doing the adaptation... | |
| 15:01 | atz | right |
| 15:02 | |Lupin| | atz: not sure I'll have to care about indexing so far, actually |
| 15:02 | atz: the file formats will be our CCODEs | |
| 15:02 | atz: so I guess if we index them things will (should) work just fine. | |
| 15:03 | the things kept in a separate table, such as extensions and so on, we don't really want to index... | |
| 15:05 | atz: just one quesiton for clarifiaciton, pls | |
| 15:05 | atz | ? |
| 15:06 | |Lupin| | atz: if in a table an authorizsed value is expected, what will apear in the table ? is it the content of the authorised_value field, or is it the content of the id field ? |
| 15:07 | atz | not sure what you mean.... the authorsed_values table has a numerical primary key |
| 15:08 | |Lupin| | yep |
| 15:08 | well | |
| 15:08 | atz | other tables typically use the "authorised_value" |
| 15:08 | |Lupin| | assume you restrict a marc field to an authorized value field |
| 15:08 | ahah | |
| 15:09 | atz: ok that's the answer I was looking for. | |
| 15:09 | atz | with the interface constraining the value to those available from a given category |
| 15:09 | |Lupin| | atz: right |
| 15:09 | atz: and koha never has to go from an authorised_value to its primary kay ? | |
| 15:10 | key | |
| 15:10 | atz | only when the key value itself is being updated, i think |
| 15:11 | not 100% sure on that | |
| 15:11 | |Lupin| | atz: ah I see, like if one wants to change the definition of one given value ? |
| 15:11 | atz | that's what i'm thinking, yeay |
| 15:12 | *yeah | |
| 15:12 | |Lupin| | atz: ok. But then koha has to go through all the places where this value is used and update them ? |
| 15:13 | atz | that does sound weird... i guess i don't know |
| 15:14 | |Lupin| | atz: ok, sorry for bugging you |
| 15:14 | atz | s'ok, sorry i'm not more help |
| 15:16 | |Lupin| | atz: np ! just going through a dump to see whether I couldn't figure it out |
| 15:22 | couldn't find anything obvious in the database | |
| 15:36 | cioa tutti | |
| 15:51 | kf | hm, i'm looking for the Koha-Logo to use on on my documentation sheets - the logo http://koha.org/about/logos/lo[…]/?searchterm=logo reads free library system - the logo on fan stuff free library system und the logo used on login in my installation open-source integrated libary systems - i'm confused |
| 15:51 | ah, second is: open source library system, but there are three versions for the text | |
| 16:01 | ok, nobody interested in logos ;) but I think you could get all versions and the green one on the old koha.org, now its only jpg and black and white :( | |
| 16:07 | atz | weird... feel free to use any of the current ones |
| 16:09 | kf | I used "free library system" because I could download it from koha.org - would have preferred open source library systme, but cant get it - its on the cups and magnets |
| 16:16 | ok, time to go home - bye #koha | |
| 17:46 | chris | morning |
| 18:08 | pianohacker | Good morning |
| 18:09 | You're up early | |
| 18:09 | chris | yeah earlier than id like ... but not too bad |
| 18:11 | cait | hi chris |
| 18:11 | thx for the logo! | |
| 18:13 | chris | no problemo |
| 18:56 | schuster | wizzyrea around? |
| 18:56 | pianohacker | schuster: Nope, doesn't seem to be around |
| 18:56 | @seen wizzyrea | |
| 18:56 | munin | pianohacker: wizzyrea was last seen in #koha 3 days, 3 hours, 57 minutes, and 50 seconds ago: <wizzyrea> hey, it made me laugh :P |
| 18:57 | pianohacker | Anything we can help you with? |
| 18:57 | schuster | Drat. |
| 18:57 | Just curious what version of Koha they were running in production before I have LibLime upgrade my production server. | |
| 18:57 | chris | you can usually tell by looking at the source schuster |
| 18:58 | schuster | I can tell what I'm running, I was curious what they were running and if they have run into any particular "bugs" that were problematic. |
| 18:58 | chris | ame="generator" content="Koha 3.0100037" |
| 18:58 | i mean the html source :) | |
| 18:59 | schuster | OK so you are smarter than me when it comes to this Koha stuff, but we've known that for a LONG time! |
| 18:59 | chris | got that by viewing the source of http://nekls.kohalibrary.com/c[…]kcs_submit=Search |
| 19:01 | its a handy trick when you are nosey like me :) | |
| 19:01 | pianohacker | schuster: My library is on the same version |
| 19:01 | What about yours? | |
| 19:07 | schuster | My test system is now running 0100032 so that is what my production will upgrade to. |
| 19:09 | jdavidb | I know how come they're getting that date calc error--it's trying to check in an item that was not due. |
| 19:09 | rackum...sorry, folks...wrong window. | |
| 19:09 | chris | we have a whole wiki page for that at work jdavidb :) |
| 19:10 | jdavidb | I'm sure. |
| 19:10 | pianohacker | Does forgetting that you disabled your screensaver and typing your password into an IM window qualify? |
| 19:10 | chris | yep |
| 19:10 | jdavidb | Done that, too. |
| 19:11 | chris | almost all of them involve needing to then change your password :) |
| 19:11 | pianohacker | Heh |
| 19:11 | In my case, it was at least someone I trusted (who didn't know it was my password) | |
| 19:11 | bash.org has a few examples of typing it into a busy channel (hate to be them) | |
| 19:13 | joetho | someone you trusted? |
| 19:13 | hmmm. | |
| 19:16 | I have another reports question- this one is about patrons and circulation | |
| 19:17 | pianohacker | shoot |
| 19:18 | joetho | to get a report on patrons who haven't checked anything out, i join to issues.issuedate with a WHERE issues.issuedate IS <01/01/01 -right? |
| 19:18 | date syntax is probabbly wrong but I'll look it up[ | |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | I think there is a borrowers who haven't checked anything out canned reported |
| 19:19 | *canned report | |
| 19:19 | joetho | doesn't work. |
| 19:19 | pianohacker | Not very surprising |
| 19:19 | joetho | that's what 'canned' means. |
| 19:20 | jdavidb | If you join to issues, I don't think you'll get what you want. If a user hasn't checked anything out, then no issues point at their borrowernumber. |
| 19:20 | pianohacker | SELECT borrowers.* FROM borrowers left join old_issues using (borrowernumber) where issues.issuedate is null; |
| 19:20 | should do the trick | |
| 19:20 | It does have to be old_issues, since checkouts get moved there once they're returned | |
| 19:21 | joetho | ahh |
| 19:21 | no wonder this was not making sense. | |
| 19:21 | jdavidb | pianohacker++ |
| 19:21 | joetho | Yes. |
| 19:22 | gotta run off to a meeting but I will try this later. | |
| 19:22 | The Colorado Kid rides back over the ridge | |
| 19:23 | searching for another town that needs some LAW | |
| 19:24 | pianohacker | Actually, mainly just for a town with a restaurant. It's 1:23, and I haven't had lunch yet |
| 19:24 | schuster | jdavidb - thanks for the info earlier everything was there. |
| 19:24 | jdavidb | Thought it would be, schuster. |
| 19:24 | paul_p | hello US ! |
| 19:25 | pianohacker | Hi, paul |
| 19:25 | paul_p | lot of ppl here today. |
| 19:25 | 9PM in France. Nice weather in Marseille. and july 14th (holiday) tomorrow... | |
| 19:27 | pianohacker | Ahh, Bastille Day, yes |
| 19:27 | Have any plans? | |
| 19:27 | paul_p | with my 4 boys, probably going to the beach (10mn by foot from my home. lucky me ;-) ) |
| 19:28 | pianohacker | Very nice. |
| 19:30 | chris | paul_p: same here ... but unfortunately it would be freezing at the beach today :) |
| 19:30 | paul_p | hi chris ! No more sleeping ? |
| 19:31 | chris | 7.30am .. getting kahu dressed and fed (at the feeding part now) |
| 19:31 | paul_p | chris is a true geek: chatting even when eating... |
| 19:31 | chris | and shout "Vive la Révolution!" |
| 19:32 | jwagner | Allons enfants de la patrie (that's as much as I remember) |
| 19:32 | paul_p | le jour de gloire est arrivé |
| 19:33 | jwagner | Marchons, citoyens, formez vos batailles (apologies for spelling, it's remarkable what the mind dredges up when prompted) |
| 19:34 | I was a summer exchange student in France once -- was in Paris for 14 July. Fireworks were very nice :-) | |
| 19:34 | paul_p | "vos bataillons" (not bataille) a bataillon is a warrior group. "battaille" is the battle itself. |
| 19:34 | jwagner | Hey, I said I'd forgotten most of my French by now :-) |
| 19:34 | paul_p | lot of dancing parties outdoors too |
| 19:34 | jwagner: lol | |
| 19:37 | chris | whats the hymn? |
| 19:37 | jdavidb | "God of our Fathers." |
| 19:37 | chris | i never knew that |
| 19:37 | nz has 2 anthems (and one is sung in english and maori .. so kinda 3) | |
| 19:38 | pianohacker | jdavidb: I didn't know that either |
| 19:38 | jdavidb | yep. My daughter's band director had a thang for that song, and so it got played at the football games, in addition to the anthem. |
| 19:39 | pianohacker | Butchering the anthem is definitely a danger, though; "And the laaand, of the freeeeEE<erk>" |
| 19:39 | jwagner | chris, one of the MAJOR drawbacks to being a baseball fan and going to live games (or watching them on television) is that you have to hear people who think they can sing try to sing the Star Spangled Banner. It's painful. I was at a game with a friend once -- we went to see a very good player who was going to retire at the end of the year. We speculated on how many times he'd had to listen to the song over his career and it came to 2-3 THOUSAND. |
| 19:39 | chris | ouch! |
| 19:39 | jdavidb | pianohacker: It happens all. the. time. |
| 19:39 | chris | here we only have anthems at international events |
| 19:39 | jwagner | And very few people can actually sing it well.... |
| 19:39 | chris | if 2 nz teams are playing, no anthem |
| 19:40 | jdavidb | It's not like it's that hard, as composed. But any embellishment you put on it just automatically sounds bad, because there's really no room for it. |
| 19:40 | paul_p | in France, la marseillaise is only played for major finals |
| 19:40 | jwagner | The tradition of singing it at baseball games goes back to World War I. Not sure if all the other sports go back that far, but it's sung at all the major pro sporting events. |
| 19:40 | ecorrado | I also get to hear the Canadian anthem at a lot of the tracks in New York as well |
| 19:41 | pianohacker | It does sound good on piano, though. Better than the vocal version, to my mind |
| 19:41 | Hi, ecorrado | |
| 19:41 | ecorrado | hi pianohacker |
| 19:42 | jdavidb | There's a fellow in Abilene who does it really well. He sings it tune-perfect, but throws the tempo out the window, when singing a capella. Takes his sweet time finishing, and if you're not on your feet cheering, you're probably deaf. |
| 19:45 | chris | the nz one sounds horrible all the time (well IMHO) |
| 19:47 | http://www.mch.govt.nz/anthem/index.html | |
| 19:53 | ok, off to work i go, via 'simply paris' to get some croissant :) | |
| 19:53 | ttyl | |
| 19:53 | jdavidb | See ya, chris. |
| 19:54 | paul_p | good day chris |
| 20:37 | chris | back |
| 20:38 | jdavidb | Chris, I think the NZ anthem is a lovely piece of music. :) |
| 20:39 | Not trivially easy to sing, to be sure. | |
| 20:39 | chris | hehe, to each his own :) |
| 20:40 | jdavidb | It helps, I think, to hear the first verse in Maori--since I don't speak it. Then I have to listen to the *music*. It's nice. |
| 20:43 | paul_p | bye & good "bastille day" to everyone (even if it means nothing specific for you ;-) ) |
| 20:43 | pianohacker | bye, you too |
| 20:57 | richard | hi |
| 20:57 | chris | heya richard |
| 20:57 | pianohacker | richard: good morning |
| 20:57 | chris | working from the lovely island bay today? |
| 20:58 | richard | yep. my day of the week in wellington's costa del sol :) |
| 20:58 | chris | :) |
| 21:01 | pianohacker: what do you use to read your mail? | |
| 21:01 | pianohacker | GMail |
| 21:01 | you? | |
| 21:01 | chris | mutt |
| 21:01 | + offlineimap + buffycli | |
| 21:02 | was gonna show you buffycli, which i love .. but if you use gmail it wont help :) | |
| 21:02 | http://www.ohloh.net/p/buffycli | |
| 21:04 | pianohacker | This does look interesting, though I wish she had a gitweb up |
| 21:05 | chris | ill ping her |
| 21:13 | joetho | where is sekjal today? |
| 21:13 | chris | at ala |
| 21:13 | in the liblime coming soon session | |
| 21:13 | http://scls.typepad.com/link2k[…]tions-at-ala.html | |
| 21:13 | joetho | but of course. |
| 21:14 | that explains my verrrrry interesting twit feed that I just noticed. | |
| 21:14 | chris | oh excellent my question was answered, it will be in 3.2 |
| 21:23 | joetho | hello nahuel |
| 22:33 | Jo | morning |
| 22:34 | chris | hi jo |
| 22:39 | Jo | just sending an email reminder about Friday. |
| 22:39 | no word on whether Catalyst might like to sponsor lunch for 12? $180 | |
| 22:40 | if not no problem - its a cheap enough day anyway | |
| 22:41 | chris | i think its a no i havent been able to pigeonhole a director long enough to get an answer |
| 22:42 | Jo | no worries |
| 23:20 | pianohacker | bye |
| 03:24 | Amit | hi chris, Jo |
| 03:24 | Good morning #koha | |
| 03:29 | Novice | I would like to send an aotometic notification mail to book borower if h/she near to deadline |
| 03:29 | can any one suggest me anything that how could i do that? | |
| 03:29 | i m learning koha.....not expart user | |
| 03:32 | Amit | hi novice |
| 03:33 | Novice | hello amit |
| 03:58 | Amit | heya brendan |
| 03:59 | brendan | heya Amit |
| 07:08 | SelfishMan | My eye is twitching from trying to fix the old "Cannot decode string with wide characters" in Encode.pm error |
| 07:09 | For future reference: pulling the latest XML::LibXML from cpan makes it all shiny and happy | |
| 07:11 | I also pulled the latest Encode, XML::SAX and XML::Simple before that so that may be part of it | |
| 07:11 | (in that order) | |
| 07:11 | chris | i had lunch with Grant who wrote XML::Simple and still maintains no one should actually use it :) |
| 07:12 | SelfishMan | I say that about *all* my code |
| 07:13 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~grantm[…]ERE_TO_FROM_HERE? |
| 07:13 | SelfishMan | My standard warning starts with "If you are desperate enough to use this then seek immediate help. If you insist on continuing, read on..." |
| 07:14 | This has been haunting me on a single install in one location and it pops up at random times for what seem to be no reason. Personally, I blame OCLC. | |
| 07:14 | chris | http://search.cpan.org/~grantm[…]ng-FixLatin-1.00/ this is my current favourite module of his |
| 07:14 | it sounds like dubious encoding, something saying its utf8 when it isnt, or vice versa | |
| 07:16 | SelfishMan | Yeah, it certainly is and it looks like the bug has been lurking in koha installs since 2006 |
| 07:16 | http://rt.cpan.org/Public/Bug/[…]lay.html?id=19367 | |
| 07:17 | chris | yeah, using expat is documented |
| 07:17 | in the install file | |
| 07:19 | at least in the INSTALL.debian one it is anyway | |
| 07:19 | well, something to do with SAX and Expat :) | |
| 07:20 | SelfishMan | The expat thing didn't fix it though. I tested it after I upgraded every one of those modules and it filed until I updated XML::LibXML |
| 07:20 | Expat was the first thing I played with | |
| 07:20 | chris | yeah thats what it says actually |
| 07:20 | SelfishMan | eh? |
| 07:20 | chris | You must be sure you're using the XML::LibXML SAX parser, not Expat or PurePerl, both of which have outstanding bugs with pre-composed characters. |
| 07:21 | SelfishMan | hmmm... |
| 07:21 | chris | section 2.3 of INSTALL.debian |
| 07:21 | SelfishMan | where was that file when I needed it ;-P |
| 07:23 | chris | :) |
| 07:23 | SelfishMan | I guess that means it is time for bed |
| 07:24 | chris | hehe |
| 08:51 | slef | http://scls.typepad.com/link2k[…]tions-at-ala.html is interesting, especially Joann Ransom's comment. Are LibLime aware of it? |
| 08:55 | chris | the blog post, or jo's comment? |
| 08:56 | if its the former then yes, if its the latter, no idea :) | |
| 08:57 | slef | more about the comment... it reads like mild irritation that ALA conference-goers are knowing more than long-time koha community players, which I can understand, even if I suspect it may not be the case |
| 08:58 | marketing and truth aren't always best friends | |
| 08:58 | chris | *nod* |
| 09:07 | hi indradg | |
| 09:08 | indradg | chris, hi there :) |
| 09:35 | fredericd | hi |
| 09:35 | Framework subfield definition 'hidden' seems not to work anymore. Has it worked at all? You can't control this way if a subfield is by default collapsed or expanded. | |
| 09:35 | Can someone confirm? | |
| 09:36 | (in biblio record editor) | |
| 10:31 | greenmang0 | indradg: hello |
| 11:12 | Amit | hi galen, indradg |
| 11:12 | gmcharlt | hi Amit |
| 11:14 | @later tell pianohacker I'll look into my notes about the skip-commit patch | |
| 11:14 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 11:42 | Amit | hi jwagner |
| 11:46 | gmcharlt | hi jwagner |
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