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12:00 | ebegin | |Lupin|, what is your list, is it a list in perl term or a string representing a list, like "1 2 3 4 5 6"? |
12:03 | |Lupin| | ebegin: it's a list of MARC::Record objects |
12:06 | ebegin | ls |
12:06 | oups... wrong window :) | |
12:07 | |Lupin|, so, you are looping through your list and if your predicate is true, you move your element in another list and remove it from your original one | |
12:10 | |Lupin| | ebegin: that's the idea yes |
12:11 | ebegin: but the part function mentionned earlier does he whole stuff for you so you don't have to remove by yourself. part just builds new lists and adds the elements to the appropriate one | |
12:12 | ebegin | |Lupin|, ok, so you already solved your problem? :) |
12:18 | |Lupin| | ebegin: yes yes |
12:18 | ebegin: sorry I was not clear enough about that | |
12:18 | ebegin | Good! |
12:21 | |Lupin| | actually |
12:21 | perhaps not completely solved | |
12:22 | not sure how to handle the results from the part functon | |
12:22 | it returns an array of references to arrays | |
12:24 | and I don't really know how to access references... | |
12:26 | ebegin | @wunder Paris, france |
12:26 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Paris Le Bourget, France is 25.0°C (2:00 PM CEST on July 03, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 54%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
12:27 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, quebec |
12:27 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 19.0°C (8:00 AM EDT on July 03, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 29.73 in 1007 hPa (Rising). |
12:57 | slef | @seen brendan |
12:57 | munin | slef: brendan was last seen in #koha 8 hours and 33 seconds ago: <brendan> HEading to bed soon |
12:57 | slef | I'll email instead |
12:57 | hi all. How you doing? | |
12:58 | |Lupin| | great, thanks |
13:11 | thd | hello slef |
13:22 | kf | hi there, one question: will delete patrons in staff client delete patrons with checkouts or fines? |
13:40 | wvdv | Hi, can anyone tell me how to determine which MARC fields are displayed in the OPAC search results? |
13:41 | owen | Hi wvdv |
13:41 | The answer depends on whether you have the XSLT display enabled in the OPAC (assuming you're using version 3) | |
13:45 | wvdv | Yes, I tried to enable the XSLT display (although it warned me that it would only work for Marc21). I'm new here - how do I check whether Marc21 is used and how do I check whether it's version 3? |
13:45 | owen | If you found the XSLT option in your system preferences then you're using version 3 |
13:46 | The person who first installed Koha would have chosen whether you were MARC21 or UNIMARC | |
13:46 | ebegin | wvdv, where are you located? This is usually a good hint about the MARC version you are using... |
13:48 | wvdv, also, you'll find the version in the Admin » Version system preference | |
13:49 | owen | The system preference is called "marcflavour" |
13:49 | ebegin | wvdv, and the marc flavor under Cataloguing » marcflavor system pref |
13:49 | owen, you are faster :) | |
14:00 | owen | wvdv: Were you able to find it? |
14:00 | slef | kf: looking... |
14:01 | kf: no, it calls members/deletemem.tmpl with details of the fines and issues | |
14:02 | kf | thx slef |
14:02 | thats great news | |
14:04 | slef | kf: is this not in the manual? |
14:05 | kf | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]=delete%20patrons |
14:06 | I was not sure, if the second question was about reading history or about deleting | |
14:06 | oh. my question was not clear, I meant bulk deleting patrons, not a single one | |
14:07 | slef: its not so easy testing that, when you dont what to risk all test cases in your test installation | |
14:08 | wvdv | sorry, was interrupted. I've meanwhile been told we have Marc21, so that's promising. Now what is the next step after activating XSLT in the OPAC settings? How do I choose Marc fields to show or not to show as search results? |
14:11 | owen, I lost my connection and i'm back again. hope you didn't write anything that fell between the cracks. wvdv | |
14:14 | slef | kf: let me check the bulk deleter |
14:14 | wvdv: no, he didn't. You can check with @seen owen | |
14:14 | @seen owen | |
14:14 | munin | slef: owen was last seen in #koha 14 minutes and 49 seconds ago: <owen> wvdv: Were you able to find it? |
14:15 | owen | wvdv: No. If you're using the XSLT display you have the option of editing the XSL template that controls what shows up on that screen |
14:15 | It's tricky, though. Not for the faint-of-heart | |
14:15 | Right now that's the only option for controlling what fields are shown or not shown | |
14:17 | wvdv | Could you guide me where to find the XSL template? |
14:18 | owen | Are you familiar with the location of the template files? |
14:20 | wvdv | Found some in intranet/htdocs/intranet-tmpl/prog/en-NZ/xslt |
14:21 | owen | You're probably looking for opac/htdocs/opac-tmpl/prog/ [language] /xslt |
14:22 | The file which controls the search results display is MARC21slim2OPACResults.xsl | |
14:24 | kf | owen/wvdv: remember currently only en is used for OPAC |
14:27 | owen | kf: meaning the xsl file is not included in non-en translations? |
14:27 | kf | currently not |
14:27 | its included but not used | |
14:27 | wvdv | Yes, I found this file. Looks a bit daunting, that's true. What if I kept a copy of the original and tested changes? Will I get error messages if my attempt is wrong? Can I safely put back the original later, if I don't succeed, or is there a chance that I upset the whole system? I know plenty about programming, just not this format. |
14:28 | owen | Yes, you can certainly make a backup and replace it if you run into trouble |
14:28 | wvdv | I'll give it a go. Thanks a lot. |
14:29 | owen | I never studied XSLT but I've been able to successfully hack the XSL file in some small ways, so you should be able to puzzle it out |
14:31 | wvdv | Yeah, most of my computer skills are also based on trial and error. |
14:31 | kf | you can rename the original to .old and copy it |
14:32 | you will get error messages - but they are not always helpful | |
14:32 | but change the xslt-file in en | |
14:34 | owen | kf: will Koha use the xsl file in en even if you're using a different translation for other templates? |
14:34 | kf | @bug 3214 |
14:34 | munin | kf: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3214 enhancement, P3, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, OPAC XSLT stylesheets are not translatable |
14:34 | kf | yes |
14:47 | |Lupin| | Hi again everybody. |
14:47 | owen | Hi |Lupin| |
14:47 | pianohacker | Hello |
14:47 | |Lupin| | Is there some perl code available to test equality between ISBN |
14:47 | hello owen, pianohacker | |
14:48 | soul9 | |Lupin|: you want to find duplicate isbns? |
14:48 | |Lupin| | looking for code that deals correctly no matter whether one compares ISBN10 and ISBN13 |
14:48 | soul9 | ah, i don't think so |
14:48 | there is a perl module for it afaik | |
14:48 | |Lupin| | soul9: no, not for finding duplicate ISBNS |
14:49 | soul9 | yeah, i understand |
14:49 | |Lupin| | soul9: I'm writng some script to migrate our home-made catalogue to Unimarc. |
14:49 | soul9 | there is a perl module just for manipulating isb/sns |
14:49 | hdl_laptop | owen: there are two ways to enable translation in xsl : either make strings enter po files and edit tokenizer for that. |
14:49 | OR have one BIGfile with xml:lang parameter for strings. | |
14:49 | |Lupin| | soul9: I used WWW::Mechanize to query a server which provides MARC records. |
14:50 | Snow_Fox | just to make sure |
14:50 | sys pref = printcirculationslip when its defaulted to on allows the user to print slips it doesnt print a slip automatically correct? | |
14:50 | |Lupin| | soul9: and when I get the records, I have to add in each one some information we have, so I have to associate the records I get to those I have, using ISBNs |
14:51 | pianohacker | Snow_Fox: I'm pretty sure that syspref is related to some old, server-based printing code which is no longer supported |
14:51 | |Lupin| | soul9: if you are talking about Business::ISBN, there is no comparison function provided. I guess I'll have to do it manually (converting everything to ISBN13 before comparing) |
14:53 | soul9 | |Lupin|: it does isbn10 to 13 conversion back and forth |
14:53 | Snow_Fox | pianohacker: Based on what im seeing from the demo with that value on it gives the option to print off manually from the web browser |
14:53 | or am i missing the point | |
14:53 | pianohacker | Snow_Fox: It should give you that option with the value off as well |
14:53 | soul9 | |Lupin|: http://search.cpan.org/~bdfoy/[…]-2.05/lib/ISBN.pm see in examples the Conversions |
14:54 | and i'd guess it doesn't just add the 978 but also probably uses the right algorithm to calculate the las digit | |
14:54 | s/las/last | |
14:57 | |Lupin| | soul9: yes |
14:58 | soul9: I was just thinking it'd be cool to have an explicit function for testing equality | |
14:58 | soul9: so you could just provide the to ISBNs without taking care of their lengths and it would work out of the box | |
14:58 | soul9 | ah, testing equality of an isbn10 and isbn13 directly? |
14:59 | |Lupin| | soul9: yep ! |
14:59 | soul9: testing equality between an isbnX and an isbnY | |
14:59 | no matter their lengths | |
15:00 | soul9 | |Lupin|: you can just do if $isbn->as_isbn13->as_string or something? |
15:00 | |Lupin| | k, have to go. See you later folks |
15:01 | soul9 | dunno how well that would work in perl though, i don't think it would...you probably need to store the as_isbn13 and then call as_string for it |
15:01 | |Lupin| | soul9: yeah, will certainly do something like that... |
15:01 | soul9 | have a good one |
15:01 | |Lupin| | till soon |
15:02 | thanks soul9 | |
15:08 | pianohacker | brb |
15:23 | ricardo | Hi everyone. Is anyone here? |
15:23 | pianohacker | Hey, ricardo |
15:24 | ricardo | Hi pianohacker! :) |
15:24 | pianohacker | What's up? |
15:24 | ricardo | I just sent a patch to patcheskoha.org .... How long does it take for that patch to get posted to koha-patcheslists.koha.org ? Is it automatic or is there human intervention involved? |
15:24 | pianohacker | Hmm |
15:25 | It should be automatic, but are you subscribed to the list? | |
15:25 | ricardo | I think so, but I'm not 100% sure |
15:25 | BRB | |
15:27 | ebegin | ricardo, the patch is sent to hdl_laptop or gmcharlt, not sure who exactly. They double check it and then apply it to the correct branch, IIRC, so yes, we still human :) |
15:28 | owen | But all patches should go to the patches list immediately, no human intervention required. |
15:29 | ebegin | owen... hmmm, my understanding is that they appear on the list only when they are apply... but I may be wrong... |
15:29 | s/apply/applied/ | |
15:29 | owen | No, that's not correct. |
15:30 | kf | Owen is right, needed sometime myself to figure that out :) |
15:30 | ebegin | well, your point make sense otherwise people wouldn't be able to reply to each other on that list... :) |
15:30 | thanks for clarifying this | |
15:31 | owen | Whoa, I didn't realize the OPACAmazonReviews preference controlled both the display of Amazon Reviews *and* Amazon product descriptions |
15:32 | That's not a good way to handle that | |
15:32 | kf | Testing 3.2 patron management: I added categories for organisation and professional and patrons for both, but how do i link them? |
15:33 | pianohacker | kf: I believe there is a syspref you must turn on first |
15:33 | kf | manual shows a nice window, but I cant see how to get there |
15:33 | yes I did | |
15:33 | pianohacker | Ok. |
15:34 | kf | memberofinstitution: ON |
15:34 | pianohacker | kf: Try the patron editing screen |
15:36 | ebegin | kf, I think that your patron must be of a type Professionnal. In that case, you should have a section to choose its guarantor... exactly the same principle than the child that is link to the parent... however, I think that there is a problem to link them. The search for guarantor only search for Adult, not for Organisation. |
15:37 | kf | I made a mistake when configuring categories |
15:37 | selected staff by mistake - so it couldn't work - thx for helping me! | |
15:37 | slef | sorry for going MIA |
15:38 | need to clear phone calls before close-of-regular business | |
15:38 | ricardo | Back |
15:39 | ebegin | ricardo, do not read what I wrote... :) |
15:39 | ricardo | OK. I think that I found out what the problem is (I'm subscribed to the mailing list with a different e-mail address). So what happens to the e-mail message relating to the patch sent? Will it have to wait to be manually approved (posted) to the mailing list? |
15:41 | pianohacker | ricardo: Mails sent by non-subscribed users are theoretically held in moderation, but I don't think the moderation queue is very well-loved |
15:41 | It might just be easier to subscribe the other email (disabling mail delivery if you want) and send it again | |
15:42 | ricardo | Actually forget that, I'm subscribed with that e-mail address: |
15:42 | "An attempt was made to subscribe your address to the mailing list koha-patcheslists.koha.org. You are already subscribed to this mailing list." | |
15:43 | pianohacker | HUh |
15:43 | Well then | |
15:44 | ricardo | So, I think the problem is "git send-email" saying that it has sent the e-mail when it hasn't |
15:47 | pianohacker | ricardo: mail sending can be a pain to set up. Does a simple test with sendmail work? |
15:49 | ricardo | pianohacker: Thanks for the tip. I'll try that. Meanwhile, I have posted my attempt at: |
15:49 | http://koha.pastebin.com/m9a18c5b | |
15:49 | (I only replaced @ by AT for spam-protection in Pastebin... The original had @ signs, naturally) | |
15:53 | kf | hm. I can search for the organization now - but dont find it :( |
15:54 | ebegin | kf... that is the problem i mentionned earlier. The search is looking only for Adult, not for organisation... |
15:55 | kf | ok, so its a bug? It works, when you know the cardnumber |
15:55 | but not with surname or when leaving it blank | |
15:55 | ebegin | A bug or an uncompleted feature :) |
15:55 | kf | ok - lets call it that :) |
15:56 | pianohacker | It's odd that you have to search for the organization using the guarantor search; the patron editing code looks like it should be showing a simple dropdown box allowing you to choose an organization |
15:57 | kf | dont know |
15:57 | ricardo | (Trying to solve this aptitude remove exim4 trying to set up postfix) |
15:57 | kf | there is something strange in the organisation too |
15:58 | an empty field called organisation(s) | |
15:58 | ricardo | kf: There's something strange in EVERY organisation! ;-) (sorry, couldn't resist, eheh...) |
15:58 | kf | :) |
15:59 | professional looks fine after searching and linking - but I think the organisation misses something - perhaps a list of linked professionals? | |
15:59 | pianohacker | ricardo: postfix++ |
16:00 | For me, trying to set up exim4 was an exercise in frustration | |
16:01 | ebegin | kf, currently, this is a one way relation. However, I agree that it could be nice to get the list of professionals linked to an org. |
16:01 | pianohacker | kf: It looks like that organizations field is slightly buggy; rather than looking for patrons in categories that are the institution type, it _only_ looks for categories with the code 'I' |
16:01 | ricardo | pianohacker: Yeah... Exim only got here, because this is the first time I'm setting up a Debian installation, and Exim got there "semi-automatically"... |
16:01 | pianohacker | Death to exim |
16:01 | ricardo | @karma postfix |
16:01 | munin | ricardo: Karma for "postfix" has been increased 1 time and decreased 0 times for a total karma of 1. |
16:01 | ricardo | ;-) |
16:02 | pianohacker | Hrmph |
16:02 | exim-- | |
16:02 | ricardo | Eheh |
16:04 | pianohacker | kf: does that make sense? |
16:07 | kf | not sure, if I understand it right |
16:08 | or perhaps I do... let me try something | |
16:10 | oh interestnig | |
16:10 | i added a patron categoriy type organisation with code I | |
16:11 | I changed my organisation patron to I and in the list is now filled | |
16:11 | but it doesnt make sense | |
16:11 | I think this list should be shown for in the professional's form | |
16:12 | pianohacker | ricardo: Just saw your patch |
16:13 | kf: How do you mean? | |
16:13 | kf | there is no sense in listing all organisations in the organisation patrons |
16:14 | I think there are two bugs: | |
16:14 | pianohacker | kf: Why not? The purpose of the drop down is to choose an organization to link this patron to, correct? |
16:14 | kf | no |
16:14 | professional can be linked to organization | |
16:14 | i get the list in organization, and a guarantor search in professionals that cant search right | |
16:15 | pianohacker | You should also get the list in the editing screen for the professional |
16:16 | kf | mom |
16:16 | ah and the real strange thing is: i had to add a patron type with code I, so I can have only one patron type for organisations | |
16:16 | I think this is a bug | |
16:17 | pianohacker | kf: That is most definitely a bug, especially in Koha 3 |
16:17 | But are you able to see the list of organizations when editing a professional patron? | |
16:17 | kf | it should look for category_type not for categorycode to build the list |
16:18 | there is only the Guarantor Information, nothing about organisations | |
16:18 | pianohacker | That is strange. |
16:20 | Okay, something is completely screwed up here. The editing screen will only show the list of organizations if you're editing another organization | |
16:20 | kf | right |
16:21 | and if you have defined a category type with code I | |
16:21 | ricardo | pianohacker: Well, it has reached the mailing list after 10 minutes or so... Actually, I did a setup change *after* sending the e-mail. I hope that it also works next time: |
16:22 | [Koha-patches] [PATCH] Fix for Bug 2599 - Search limits not working for NoZebra | |
16:22 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2599 major, P1, ---, henridamienkoha-fr.org, NEW, Search limits not working for NoZebra |
16:22 | ricardo | http://lists.koha.org/pipermai[…]-July/003892.html |
16:24 | kf | pianohoacker: so its about writing a bug for this now |
16:24 | pianohacker | kf: Yup, it's completely broken |
16:25 | Sorry for the misunderstanding | |
16:25 | kf | pianohacker: will have to leave work soon and have no access to our koha installation from there, so cant do it before monday |
16:25 | no access from home - and thats actually a good thing :) | |
16:26 | pianohacker | HEh |
16:26 | What, you want a personal life separate from work or something? | |
16:26 | Nonsense | |
16:27 | ricardo | pianohacker: In a strange kind of way, that's sad and funny for being true |
16:27 | pianohacker | Trust me, I'm not one to talk |
16:27 | ricardo | pianohacker: LOL, OK |
16:28 | kf | my colleagues want me to have one... g |
16:28 | ricardo | kf: eheh |
16:31 | kf | @wunder Konstanz |
16:31 | munin | kf: The current temperature in Taegerwilen, Germany is 22.0°C (6:31 PM CEST on July 03, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 84%. Dew Point: 19.0°C. Pressure: 29.92 in 1013.1 hPa (Steady). |
16:34 | kf | looks like rain outside - came by bike today :( |
16:34 | bye #koha, have a nice weekend! | |
16:57 | ricardo | Bye everyone! pianohacker and ebegin: Thanks for trying to help! :) |
16:58 | pianohacker | Heh, no problem |
17:10 | thd | what is done for changing the representation of columns sort1 sort2 in the display? |
17:10 | Do people edit the templates? | |
17:10 | pianohacker | thd: I think that's the only option, yes |
17:11 | thd | A system preference would be nice but I would abstract everything and Koha would be nothing but system preferences :) |
17:11 | pianohacker | Heh |
17:11 | Or, more likely, the branches table would grow and grow | |
18:34 | brb | |
19:53 | Snow_Fox | sys pref = maxItemsInSearchResults <- is that something that no longer exists? It is listed in the quick start check list but i cant find it within the liblime demo or the manual |
19:54 | pianohacker | Koha seems to pay attention to it, but for some reason it's not included in the syspref editor |
19:55 | Snow_Fox | ok.... |
19:55 | is that something that would be modified or created at install or is it just unchangeable | |
19:56 | pianohacker | You can add custom system preferences |
19:56 | You have to, in this case | |
19:57 | Snow_Fox | ok.... thats a weird thing to have in the checklist for initial setups |
19:59 | i wonder what else in this checklist is gonna be like that | |
19:59 | pianohacker | Hopefully nothing |
19:59 | maxitemsinsearchresults is kind of an odd man out | |
19:59 | Snow_Fox | what about (sys pref = noOPACUserLogin) |
20:00 | pianohacker | Koha does not even seem to acknowledge that syspref |
20:00 | odd | |
20:00 | What checklist is this? | |
20:00 | Snow_Fox | lemme grab the link for ya |
20:01 | pianohacker | k |
20:01 | Snow_Fox | http://new.koha.org/documentat[…]ntation-checklist |
20:02 | we got the same checklist from liblime and im goign through trying to get out settings lined up in a row first so to speak | |
20:03 | pianohacker | Don't see anything else too crazy |
20:04 | Snow_Fox | well if i find it ill let ya know :\ |
20:04 | pianohacker | Though you won't have to worry about setting up stopwords |
20:04 | Snow_Fox | i noticed they were preset would i still need to run the query for em though? |
20:05 | pianohacker | Not sure what you mean, but stopwords are all handled by the Zebra search engine |
20:05 | Snow_Fox | this bit |
20:05 | Remove defined stopwords from queries (sys pref = QueryRemoveStopwords) | |
20:06 | pianohacker | The default for that system preference should be fine; I think it only affects you if you're not using Zebra |
20:07 | What it says about the logging options is also true; they can slow down your system quite a bit | |
20:07 | Snow_Fox | im sure |
20:07 | but it was those syspref | |
20:07 | earlier that had me going hicket? | |
20:07 | pianohacker | You probably do not want to turn on AutoLocation unless each one of your branches has a static IP address |
20:07 | What? | |
20:08 | Snow_Fox | from my understanding were a single branch |
20:08 | i could be horribly wrong though | |
20:08 | pianohacker | Okay. You should probably still leave it off |
20:08 | Snow_Fox | those syspref's had me seriously confused because i couldnt find references to em |
20:09 | pianohacker | The ones you mentioned earlier? Yeah. You might want to contact Nicole Engard at LibLime about them; she takes care of the documentation |
20:12 | Snow_Fox | just to make sure were on the same page |
20:12 | the autolocation your refering too is | |
20:12 | Enable IP authentication to block access to staff client from unauthorized IP addresses (sys pref = AutoLocation) | |
20:13 | pianohacker | Yup |
20:16 | Snow_Fox | huh i wonder why they have that as enable |
20:16 | this is really starting to make my head hurt | |
20:16 | it sorta makes sense in a security sorta way | |
20:17 | pianohacker | Well, I can at least take care of that problem |
20:17 | Your head won't hurt, but... | |
20:18 | Snow_Fox | dude i live in kansas firearms are a way of life :-P |
20:19 | pianohacker | See? You can solve your own problem |
20:19 | Yeah, AutoLocation is good if every branch accesses Koha from its own static IP; it's kind of useless otherwise | |
20:19 | Snow_Fox | well were hosted anyways |
20:19 | so.... | |
20:20 | pianohacker | Yup |
20:46 | chris | morning |
20:47 | pianohacker | Good morning |
20:53 | brendan | hey goodmorning chris |
21:11 | Snow_Fox | ok |
21:12 | pianohacker | ? |
21:12 | Snow_Fox | this is gonna be a funny question for anyone who doesnt bleed blue, how do you modify a cron job |
21:12 | pianohacker | In what way? Changing it's behavior, or when it runs? |
21:12 | Snow_Fox | Specify the number of days overdue before an item is marked lost and patron is charged (cron job = longoverdues.pl) |
21:13 | is that a bit like a config file that would have to be opened and changed? | |
21:13 | pianohacker | It's something set up on the server, actually |
21:13 | LibLime would almost certainly do that for you | |
21:13 | Snow_Fox | ok |
21:17 | so about that pickaxe | |
21:17 | pianohacker | Heh. What'd you find? |
21:33 | Snow_Fox | nothing new thankfully :-P |
21:48 | but keep it on hand | |
21:48 | i may need it later | |
23:29 | pianohacker | Good night |
07:47 | greenmang0 | indradg: good afternoon :) |
07:48 | indradg | greenmang0, howdy! |
07:51 | greenmang0 | indradg: finel.. :) |
07:51 | fine* | |
09:30 | vedran | I installed koha in school. Do we have to enter all bibliographic records from the beginning and abandon teh current software that we use? Are there any import procedures? |
09:44 | chris | http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-8.html |
09:45 | bottom of the page |
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