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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 14:01 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 14:09 | thd | hello owen |
| 14:35 | Nelson | Owen? |
| 14:36 | owen | Hi |
| 14:36 | Nelson | Howdy, I'm developing a union catalogue in South Africa... |
| 14:37 | May I ask you a question about Zebra indexing? | |
| 14:38 | owen | Ask away, but I probably can't answer. That's not my area of expertise. Maybe someone else is listening who will know |
| 14:38 | Nelson | You develop the GUI? |
| 14:38 | owen | Yes |
| 14:39 | Nelson | Is there a way in the GUI to re-import new item information? I see options for settings, but, eg. normalization, but haven't found any documentation. |
| 14:40 | Haven't found *enough* documentation... | |
| 14:41 | eg. I want to move a batch of books from one shelf to another, by changing 952c. | |
| 14:41 | owen | I've heard that one or more people are workingo n bulk item update tools, but I haven't seen anything concrete |
| 14:42 | Nelson | Okay, another question... |
| 14:42 | We're considering 505 and 773 and want to integrate into the GUI | |
| 14:44 | eg. Subject 6xx shows up on search returns when 6xx exists. I'd like for the same presentation to occur when we use 773 host item entry (analytical cataloguing). I'd like to see "Found in:" and a display of the host item. Any thoughts on this? | |
| 14:45 | owen | No, sorry. You'll probably have better luck finding someone to answer that question during US or Europe business hours |
| 14:46 | Not many people around on Saturday & Sunday. | |
| 14:46 | Nelson | Thanks, this is my first time to visit (and to use IRC!) |
| 14:47 | owen | This is a great place to find answers if you can catch the developers here. Just have to find the right time. |
| 14:48 | Nelson | Thanks. Do you navigate on the linux backend? I've only used the GUI so far, but often find I want to poke around. Have recently been advised to use putty for this purpose. |
| 14:50 | owen | I use putty quite often, usually to interact with mysql or to use the git version control system |
| 14:52 | Nelson | Do you edit data in the mysql tables, or what sort of activities? Does editing data have the potential to corrupt the zebra indexing? |
| 14:52 | Or corrupt other aspects, like circulation, etc. | |
| 14:53 | owen | Absolutely. You have to be very careful. |
| 14:53 | Nelson | Are you aware of any documentation for this sort of thing? |
| 14:56 | I'm learning how to export, use MarcEdit, then re-import, so maybe this is the safe way to go. I wish I could export, and somehow move to Excel, but have only been able to backstep to MarcEdit. | |
| 14:58 | owen | I don't recommend using the command line to interact with mysql |
| 14:58 | I do because I do development | |
| 14:58 | If you want to be able to run quick queries from the command line, I'd recommend using a mysql user which has been configured to be read-only | |
| 14:59 | Re: MarcEdit to Excel, MARC just isn't the right kind of data to put right into Excel. | |
| 14:59 | Nelson | As opposed to the gui ad hoc reporting features? |
| 15:00 | owen | Koha has its "pre-built" reports, and the Guided Reports tool for doing your own custom reports |
| 15:01 | Between those two you should be able to get much (if not all) of what you need | |
| 15:02 | Nelson | I need to explore this some more, thanks. |
| 15:06 | Do you know of specific folks who work with Zebra on this irc, so that I can keep an eye out for them? | |
| 15:07 | owen | gmcharlt, hdl_laptop, and chris would all be people to try |
| 15:07 | thd | Nelson: what do you mean by 'the GUI' |
| 15:08 | hdl_laptop | to try what ? |
| 15:08 | owen | hdl_laptop: To ask about Zebra questions (since I don't know the answers) |
| 15:09 | Nelson | thd: by the GUI, I mean what I see when I log in as a super librarian with full administrative priviledges. |
| 15:11 | thd | Nelson: In what context are 505 and 773 not appearing? |
| 15:11 | hdl_laptop | Nelson: I am here for a little while. |
| 15:11 | Nelson | hdl_laptop: re zebra, I want to add some additional tags to the indexing for basic Keyword Search, eg. 505 and 773 |
| 15:11 | hdl_laptop | if you want to ask. |
| 15:11 | mmm... No problem for me. | |
| 15:11 | Nelson | thanks, I'll phrase a queston |
| 15:12 | hdl_laptop | you just have to add it to record.abs |
| 15:12 | with the appropriate bib1 index | |
| 15:13 | Nelson | I'm afraid I don't know how to access this file. Never worked w/ ABS files before, know very little about linux... |
| 15:13 | Do I need to learn putty and linux commands first? | |
| 15:14 | Is there a gui text editor for the Suse server that maybe I could use? | |
| 15:18 | thd | there are certainly GUI text editors. I use GVIM but it is a line based programming editor in which mode based control may be confusing at first. |
| 15:20 | Any text editor which is not a word processing editor with autocorrect features turned on should work. | |
| 15:20 | Nelson: the Bib-1 standard: http://www.loc.gov/z3950/agency/defns/bib1.html | |
| 15:23 | Nelson you should learn Unix commands. If you are familiar with MSDOS commands, you may recognise that MSDOS commands are much like Unix commands except backwards. | |
| 15:25 | Nelson: mc , Midnight Commander may be helpful. It is based on nc , Norton Commander, for MSDOS. | |
| 15:26 | s/based on/modeled after/ | |
| 15:26 | Nelson | I've had a little experience with vi, and DOS. RE the text editor, I use a WinXP laptop to access a linux server for our Koha installation. So, I'm looking for windows-based utilities. Would mc work in this case? |
| 15:27 | re the bib-1 standard. I think we want to add 500, 505, 773 for addititional subject/author/title entries. | |
| 15:27 | thd | Are you looking for Microsoft Windows based programs or Unix X Windons based programs? |
| 15:29 | Nelson | Microsoft Windows utilities to install on my laptop, to enable me to manipulate the koha backend, which is installed on a Suse server in New Jersey. |
| 15:31 | thd | Nelson: you can also add invent something for use in Bib-1 "The following (5000-10,000) reserves a block of values for private usage; they will never be assigned by the Z39.50 Maintenance Agency. Implementors may use these however they choose, they are not intended for interoperability -- different implementors may define them differently, and assignments of these values need not be reported to the Z39.50 Maintenance Agency." |
| 15:33 | To manipulate the files on the remote server you need to access them directly or copy them back and forth between your computer and the remote computer. | |
| 15:34 | In either case PuTTY is helpful | |
| 15:35 | PuTTY provides ssh to allow you to work directly on the remote machine using commands | |
| 15:36 | Nelson | I've set up putty, and have been able to access our server in NJ using ssh. My challenge is knowing what to do once I've logged in! |
| 15:36 | thd | you could also copy files back and forth with the PuTTY command pscp executed from the command prompt on your MS Windows machine. |
| 15:37 | Nelson: do you know MSDOS commands? | |
| 15:38 | Nelson | I've forgotten most of the commands, but am willing to re-learn at this point. Are ABS files a kind of text file? eg. could I ftp/copy record.abs to my laptop, open and edit it, then ftp/copy it back to the server? |
| 15:40 | eiro | http://www.tinybox.net/content/put-regexes-module |
| 15:40 | hello guys | |
| 15:42 | thd | Nelson: yes you could copy back and forth with FTP or SFTP if the server has that access. |
| 15:43 | some FTP client programs also support SSH which may be better | |
| 15:44 | owen | SFTP being recommended, of course. I use WinSCP when I'm on Windows |
| 15:44 | thd | hello eiro |
| 15:44 | owen | (or whatever secure protocol you prefer, just not FTP) |
| 15:44 | thd | Nelson: FTP uses plain text passwords which could be intercepted |
| 15:45 | Nelson: SFTP provides security | |
| 15:47 | I recommend thorough books by the following author for learning Unix commands. A practical guide to Linux commands, Editors, and Shell programming / Mark G. Sobell. | |
| 15:55 | Nelson | thanks very much, I'll try to find a copy of this |
| 15:55 | thd | Nelson: There is a good packaging of GVIM for MS Windows along with a more familiar editor style in Cream |
| 15:56 | http://cream.sourceforge.net/download.html | |
| 15:56 | There is a package for MS Windows which includes both Cream and GVIM. | |
| 15:57 | VIM is vi improved. | |
| 16:02 | Nelson: there are versions of Sobell's book tailored to specific GNU/Linux distributions but I do not see one for SuSe or Novell GNU/Linux. | |
| 16:07 | Nelson | Would I use Cream and GVIM along with puTTY? |
| 16:12 | thd | Nelson: You would use Cream and/or GVIM on your MS Windows system. You need to copy the file to your MS Windows system to edit it first. |
| 16:13 | You could use MS Windows console command pscp which comes with PuTTY to copy the file from the SuSe system. | |
| 16:13 | You could also use what owen recommended which is probably easier. | |
| 16:15 | owen said that he uses WinSCP | |
| 16:16 | http://winscp.net | |
| 16:17 | Nelson | thanks again for the recommendations. I'll save this conversation to guide my next steps with Koha. |
| 16:18 | thd | WinSCP seems to have a built in text editor so that you would not need to copy anything over to your MS Windows machiine to edit it. |
| 16:20 | Nelson | I'll be sure to make a copy of any file that I make edits to, though. I'm probably at the stage where I don't know what I don't know. |
| 16:21 | got to run, thanks again. | |
| 16:51 | eiro | http://www.tinybox.net/astuces[…]dit-koha-code-vim |
| 16:52 | cya all | |
| 16:53 | pianohacker | bye, thanks |
| 16:54 | eiro | wow .. some more minutes :-) |
| 17:02 | this time is the good one | |
| 17:03 | cya all | |
| 17:03 | pianohacker | bye |
| 20:27 | chris | morning |
| 21:32 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 21:43 | chris | hi hdl_laptop, working weekend? |
| 22:02 | hdl_laptop | chris: going to bed now. |
| 06:22 | sab | Hi every one |
| 06:22 | I am sab from Bangladesh | |
| 06:22 | just trying to use koha | |
| 06:23 | i m very novice on koha | |
| 06:23 | can any one help me to let me know that how i can customize my KOHA?? | |
| 06:24 | I better mention that i have already installed it on my debian machine | |
| 06:26 | chris | probably best to start at http://koha.org/documentation/manual/3.0 |
| 06:27 | and http://koha.org/documentation/faq | |
| 06:27 | sab | thanx chris |
| 06:27 | i went through | |
| 06:28 | but from the doc i couldnt get the idea that how i can customize koha as i want | |
| 06:28 | i mean i would like to change the interface first | |
| 06:28 | like the library logo | |
| 06:28 | name of li | |
| 06:29 | so can u plz let me know the this specific thing that i can do on my installed koha | |
| 06:29 | so i ask to many quistion ....as i m very novice on this | |
| 06:29 | chris | you can change those in the system prefereces |
| 06:30 | http://koha.org/documentation/[…]-preferences/opac | |
| 06:31 | sab | ok Thanx to u chris |
| 06:31 | can i get any tutorial for the customization of koha | |
| 06:31 | ?? | |
| 06:31 | i tried it from koha.org | |
| 06:31 | but cant DL any | |
| 06:31 | if u know any can u please help me | |
| 06:34 | chris | http://www.myacpl.org/koha/?p=160 |
| 06:36 | sab | thank u so much chris |
| 06:36 | chris | no problem, good luck |
| 06:37 | sab | :-) |
| 06:38 | if u wouldnt mind can i get any contact no of u | |
| 06:38 | so that i can ask help from u some times | |
| 06:38 | chris | the best place to ask is on the main koha mailing list |
| 06:38 | that way lots of people might be able to help | |
| 06:38 | sab | ok |
| 06:39 | i will try that | |
| 06:39 | I am from Bangladesh | |
| 06:39 | u? | |
| 06:39 | chris | new zealand |
| 06:39 | sab | wow......home ground of koha |
| 06:40 | nice to meet with u chris | |
| 06:41 | is there any facebook group/pages for koha lovers and users & Developers | |
| 06:41 | chris | and you, normally during the week there are more people on here |
| 06:41 | yes, there is page and a group | |
| 06:41 | 2 secs | |
| 06:41 | sab | sure |
| 06:41 | I am waiting | |
| 06:41 | chris | http://www.facebook.com/pages/[…]22629166763?ref=s |
| 06:41 | and | |
| 06:42 | http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=6381238597 | |
| 06:46 | threre is a linkedin.com group too | |
| 06:46 | sab | chris i just join there |
| 06:46 | :-) | |
| 06:48 | chris | cool |
| 06:52 | sab | hi chris |
| 06:57 | chris thank u | |
| 06:58 | i m now connected on FB | |
| 06:58 | hoping i will get any future help | |
| 06:58 | and also can help others |
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