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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | nahuel | I rebase it now, and resubmit it in a couple of minutes |
| 12:00 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 12:07 | |Lupin| | I'd like to ask a very basic MARC question |
| 12:07 | Does the format intend to provide copy-specific informaitons, or is it limited to bibliogrphic information ingeneral ? | |
| 12:08 | I think an equivalent question is: do the rows of the item table in Koha also have a marc equivalent ? | |
| 12:08 | gmcharlt | the equivalent of the item rows are the 952 fields in the bib record |
| 12:08 | using a 9XX fields to convey copy-level information is a long-standing practice | |
| 12:09 | nahuel | gmcharlt, just sent |
| 12:09 | hi |Lupin| | |
| 12:09 | gmcharlt | there is also a separate MARC format for holdings records |
| 12:10 | |Lupin| | ok |
| 12:10 | nahuel: you know the translation for holding in french ? | |
| 12:11 | nahuel | |Lupin|, "réservations" |
| 12:11 | |Lupin| | nahuel: ah ok, so this has nothing to do with the details about he different copies a library may have for one book |
| 12:11 | nahuel | |Lupin|, nope |
| 12:11 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: when you said 952, whas that unimarc, marc 21, or both ? |
| 12:13 | nahuel | |Lupin|, what's your question ? |
| 12:13 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: 952 in MARC21, different atg in UNIMARC |
| 12:13 | |Lupin| | nahuel: I'm trying to figure out if I can store information about users in a MARC record and where |
| 12:14 | nahuel | |Lupin|, about users ? |
| 12:14 | |Lupin| | (and at the same time I'm trying to understand koha, MARC, heir interaction...) |
| 12:14 | nahuel | why are you trying to store datas of users in MARC ? |
| 12:14 | there is no relation with bibliographic datas | |
| 12:14 | ? | |
| 12:14 | |Lupin| | nahuel: yes. oUr books are files, and in our old system he store, for each file, at which date it has ben uploaded and by which user. I'd like to store the same kind of information in Koha... |
| 12:15 | nahuel | ah ok |
| 12:15 | I think you can store them in the 995 field(items datas) | |
| 12:15 | (for unimarc) | |
| 12:16 | |Lupin| | nahuel: roughly speaking, each biblio record can have several files attached to it. I think we will use UNIMARC field 856 to store the file type and its location. But we also need to store who uploaded the file and when... |
| 12:17 | nahuel | |Lupin|, perhaps in "author" fields ? |
| 12:17 | |Lupin| | nahuel: so for each file, one would add two fields to the record: 856 for the file type and URL, and 995 for informaitons about the upload ? |
| 12:17 | nahuel | anyway, you can customize your MARC framework |
| 12:17 | 995 are the items in unimarc | |
| 12:18 | |Lupin| | nahuel: so maybe everything related to one file should go there (in 995) ? |
| 12:19 | nahuel | I think yes, perhaps hdl have more informations |
| 12:20 | hdl_laptop | |Lupin|: what you are looking for is something that should be available in 3.2 : Better holdings support. |
| 12:20 | |Lupin| | nahuel: too bad cause URL and file type seemed to go very well in 856. |
| 12:20 | hdl_laptop | In fact, a holding is not only an item. |
| 12:21 | It could a kind of "manifestation" of the work. | |
| 12:21 | nahuel | |Lupin|, you can put the "publisher" in "author" fields |
| 12:21 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: 856 is ubdeed fir YRKs |
| 12:21 | hdl_laptop | (to talk with FRBR style) |
| 12:21 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: yep, but here it's not the same concept.. We really want to store an owner for each file, owner which will remain formever. |
| 12:22 | gmcharlt: YRK ? | |
| 12:22 | hdl_laptop | Do you mean "site propriétaire du document" ? |
| 12:22 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: for URLs , that is :) |
| 12:22 | hdl_laptop | or person responsible for the document |
| 12:23 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: person responsible for the document |
| 12:23 | hdl_laptop: person that has uploaded the docuemtn, actually | |
| 12:23 | hdl_laptop | ok. |
| 12:24 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: so what's your recommandation for that ? |
| 12:25 | hdl_laptop | you could do one biblio for the main work, and one for any new "item" where you would store the responsibility for it and link those to the main via 4XX link. |
| 12:26 | Or you could use customised items framework. | |
| 12:27 | But you would not follow recommandation 995. | |
| 12:27 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: what's that ? |
| 12:27 | hdl_laptop | (http://www.adbdp.asso.fr/Recom[…]on-995-donnees-d) |
| 12:27 | |Lupin| | hdl_laptop: thanks |
| 12:28 | hdl_laptop | And you could use 995$r for responsability and 995$u for url. |
| 12:28 | Or..... | |
| 12:28 | |Lupin| | Or ? |
| 12:28 | hdl_laptop | You could wait for the new holdings support in 3.2 where ppl will be able to manage multiple levels of holdings. |
| 12:29 | |Lupin| | hmm |
| 12:29 | I'd need a bit more information to really understand it and see whether it could be helpful or not, for us... | |
| 12:30 | okay, really have to go, but thanks a lot hdl_laptop for your suggestions. Was very helpful to talk to you | |
| 12:30 | see you later, all | |
| 12:31 | hdl_laptop | my pleasure |
| 12:31 | |Lupin| | thanks :) |
| 12:31 | bye ! | |
| 12:31 | jwagner | Morning, all. Anyone who might be able to answer some questions on import match points? |
| 12:36 | hdl_laptop | if i cannot then gmcharlt may be able to answer. |
| 12:36 | jwagner: listening | |
| 12:37 | jwagner | OK, we'll give it a try. We're doing some testing, and don't understand the results. 035 is indexed. Comparing match points for two records that don't have ISBNs or ISSNs or LCCNs. Using a combined match rule of ISBN, ISSN, LCCN, OCLC (001/035), 999c |
| 12:37 | Two records where 001 tag has ocm in front of the OCLC number -- one matched, one didn't. | |
| 12:37 | One record where 035 tag has (OCoLC) in the front of the 035, one with (Sirsi) o -- doesn't find the (OCoLC) match, but does find the (Sirsi) o one. | |
| 12:37 | Why the differences? | |
| 12:37 | gmcharlt | it's probably not normalizing for all the variations of OCLC # prefixes |
| 12:38 | jwagner | How do we make it do that? Indexing change? |
| 12:38 | gmcharlt | index + some code changes |
| 12:40 | jwagner | (Looking at indexes to confirm settings) |
| 12:41 | The 035 was already in the record.abs file, just uncommented it. Setting was melm 035 Local-number,Identifier-standard | |
| 12:41 | 001 is entered as melm 001 Control-number | |
| 12:42 | What kinds of changes might be helpful in the index? Specify subfield a? | |
| 12:48 | gmcharlt | that would be one, in case there are any 035$z that may be confusing results |
| 12:50 | jwagner | Looking at the MARC for these two records, 035 seems to only have a subfield a, but we can tweak the index anyway -- sounds like it might help for others. |
| 12:50 | When you say code change, you're talking about the import script itself? | |
| 12:51 | hdl_laptop | soul9: c'est toi qui prend 100% de descartes ? |
| 12:51 | gmcharlt | jwagner: yes |
| 12:51 | hdl_laptop | ooops |
| 12:52 | jwagner | gmcharlt, I was afraid of that :-( Thanks much. We'll try tweaking the index for starters, then look into what else might help. |
| 13:13 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | Owen! I read back and see that we're moving to Template::Toolkit maybe? |
| 13:52 | owen | Yeah, I'm so out of touch I don't know anything about it |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | i'm just glad to get in on it before it's all done |
| 13:53 | but yea, I don't know much of anything about it either | |
| 13:53 | owen | Sounds like they're still in the testing stage, so we should get to see something before the decision is made |
| 14:23 | Who's using Syndetics enhanced content? | |
| 14:24 | gmcharlt | owen: Cab's library is one of them |
| 14:24 | owen | Is there an in-the-wild example I can look at? I'm curious what it looks like in action. |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | http://splnh.kohalibrary.com/ |
| 14:32 | owen | gmcharlt: Do you have time for another question? |
| 14:32 | gmcharlt | owen: sure |
| 14:33 | owen | I sent a patch about a month ago that I wondered if you had had time to review |
| 14:33 | It was a reformat of opac-detail to better accomodate wide holdings tables | |
| 14:34 | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2713 | |
| 14:34 | munin | 04Bug 2713: normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, oleonard myacpl.org, NEW, Opac detail content overlaps when right column extends too far |
| 14:34 | owen | Thanks munin :) |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt | owen: doesn't seem to have ever hit the patches list |
| 14:35 | owen | Hm... Bummer. I'll rebase and resend. |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | owen: not in the May list archives either, so it doesn't look like my MUA had lost its mind |
| 14:37 | owen | More likely that I lost my mind. I must have updated the bug without resending the patch |
| 14:40 | jdavidb | gmcharlt: In the same vein, did you get my fines.pl patch a couple of days ago? I goofed and sent twice--once without the bug number, once with. |
| 14:41 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: nope, and not in the patches list archives archive |
| 14:41 | :( | |
| 14:41 | nor stuck in the mailman moderation queue | |
| 14:42 | jdavidb: please resend now, see if it gets through this time | |
| 14:42 | hdl_laptop | this "email" patch management is quite clumsy to me. |
| 14:42 | jdavidb | Rackumfrackum.....no wonder it hadn't made it into koha.org code! K. I'll resend it momentarily. I bet I know what happened to it. |
| 14:43 | hdl_laptop | One cannot be able to see the status of its patches. |
| 14:46 | rhcl | < http://splnh.kohalibrary.com> Page doesn't display correctly in FF 3.0.11 or Konqueror on OpenSuse11.1 - "Log in to Your Account" not constrained to display box. |
| 14:48 | jdavidb | gmcharlt: Sent it...*looks* like it went thru okay this time. |
| 14:49 | gmcharlt | jdavidb: came through this time |
| 14:49 | jdavidb | Awesome. It's little-bitty, but it's one of those little-bitty things that makes for large annoyances. |
| 14:50 | (and several crons spamming my email box.) | |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | just redirect'em to /dev/null ;) |
| 14:52 | jdavidb | There is that, but I do want to keep eyes open for *real* problems. Preferably *before* my users spot 'em. |
| 14:55 | I've got a patch in the back of my head to add a --silent option, so that it doesn't send the usual count of items found, etc, and then you don't have to redirect STDOUT to /dev/null, either. | |
| 15:15 | wizzyrea | does anybody have an opinion on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3359 |
| 15:15 | munin | 04Bug 3359: normal, P5, ---, wizzyreagmail.com, NEW, Patron detail page should show "home library" instead of "registration branch" |
| 15:17 | wizzyrea | i'm of a mind to just fix it but didn't know if there were other considerations |
| 15:18 | (I've got a bunch of label consistency patches swimming around in my head that need to be submitted) | |
| 15:19 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: I agree with your reasoning about changing the label |
| 15:21 | owen | I agree as well |
| 15:21 | I also agree that being able to track registration branch would be useful in the future | |
| 15:21 | We still keep signed registration cards, so we'd be able to track down where those are if we wanted to | |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | tell ya what, I'll split out the bit for tracking initial registration branch and fix the labels |
| 15:22 | owen | (we also periodically ask ourselves why we keep them, but so far they're still around) |
| 15:22 | wizzyrea | well, in our system initial registration branch could be useful statistical information |
| 15:22 | regarding where patrons go to *get* their cards | |
| 15:23 | and what patron type they get | |
| 15:23 | owen | Agreed |
| 15:23 | wizzyrea | (I personally think that the way we're using our patron types is pretty dumb, in NExpress) |
| 15:26 | (every branch has every patron type, it's very confusing. And it doesn't always match "home branch" either. *sigh*) | |
| 15:27 | owen | Each branch has its own set of patron types? |
| 15:27 | wizzyrea | yes, it's nuts |
| 15:28 | so example: Atchison in-city Adult user | |
| 15:28 | atchison county Adult user | |
| 15:28 | atchison in-city child user | |
| 15:28 | and so on... and so forth | |
| 15:28 | owen | Wild. |
| 15:28 | For statistical or circulation purposes? | |
| 15:28 | wizzyrea | yea. i think it was kind of a holdover from our last system |
| 15:28 | circulation, i believe | |
| 15:29 | b/c you set circ rules on patron types (i'm a little fuzzy on this bit, so that may not be right) | |
| 15:30 | owen | Time taken to realize I was hacking on opac-detail.tmpl while XSLT was on: too long. |
| 15:30 | wizzyrea | ouch. |
| 15:31 | "ZOMG it's not working!!?" | |
| 15:31 | ...been there :( | |
| 15:33 | LOL | |
| 15:33 | i don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing... | |
| 15:37 | they're like locusts! eat all your food then move on... | |
| 15:38 | jdavidb | yep. They're at the National Mall, being tourists, today, or I'd send *them* to the grocery store. Knuckleheads. |
| 16:05 | slef | is the National Mall a shopping centre? |
| 16:05 | sounds like it | |
| 16:05 | "an open-area national park in downtown Washington" | |
| 16:05 | oic | |
| 16:08 | wizzyrea | slef: boy wouldn't THAT be poetic... |
| 16:08 | re: Nat. Mall as shopping center | |
| 16:10 | jdavidb | wizzyrea: Given the price of lunch at any of the National Mall museums, it's *worse* than a shopping center. It's easy to spend fifty bucks for two people to eat a good meal down there. |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | Your tax dollars at work? Oh wait. |
| 16:10 | owen | True, but you got in free, right? |
| 16:10 | wizzyrea | well crap, that doesn't work out does it ^.^ |
| 16:11 | jdavidb | owen: Correct. the *museums* are free. But bring a sandwich, or a pocket full of money. |
| 16:13 | On Tuesday, the girls went to all the monuments down by Lincoln...walked their little legs off! today, it's Air & Space, and American Indian museums. | |
| 16:15 | Back later... | |
| 16:53 | collum | If I remember correctly a Big Mac meal in the Air and Space Museum is around $7. A Big Mac!!! |
| 16:53 | But the museum is great! | |
| 16:59 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: doh, i messed that one one |
| 16:59 | up* | |
| 16:59 | so ditch it and I'll resend | |
| 16:59 | please | |
| 16:59 | gmcharlt | sure |
| 17:00 | wizzyrea | there we go |
| 17:00 | on the bright side, I think I am starting to figure this out :P | |
| 17:28 | atz | wizzyrea: we have several clients with equally silly patron categories |
| 17:29 | it basically comes down to expecting the system to provide some kind of magic because they can't get enough political consensus to just define *NAMES* in common | |
| 17:30 | the rules can still be differentiated per branch.... | |
| 18:42 | ebegin | Hi there. It seems that if I don't have a language cookie set, Koha defaults to english even if I only one language in use. Can someone confirm this? |
| 19:20 | moodaepo | Hello all koha make is failing with "Failed test 'use C4::XXX'" any idea what I am missing? |
| 19:40 | chris | morning |
| 19:40 | jdavidb | Hi, chris! |
| 19:40 | ebegin | Hey! |
| 19:47 | moodaepo | ping > Hello all koha make is failing with "Failed test 'use C4::XXX'" any idea what I am missing? |
| 19:48 | jdavidb | moodaepo: Sounds like some kind of dependency problem, maybe, or else C4 got moved around, or hidden, or renamed, or something like that. Never seen that one. |
| 19:48 | owen | I'm thinking of filing a bug to track instances where a date input field doesn't conform to the system's specified date format |
| 19:49 | wizzyrea | owen: Doo Eet |
| 19:49 | owen | Okay, there's one strong yes :) |
| 19:50 | moodaepo | jdavidb hmm I am following the INSTALL.ubuntu to the letter : ) |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | moodaepo: heh, that was contributed recently, so any issues you turn will be useful corrections to it |
| 19:51 | jdavidb | I've not ever installed on Ubuntu; Debian is my home. As gmcharlt suggests, that's pretty new--could be bugs. |
| 19:52 | moodaepo | I've got enough experience with Debian and I actually used the INSTALL.debian till I saw the ubuntu one on git |
| 19:53 | jdavidb | They're closely enough related, one would be tempted to think it'd be pretty much the same... :P |
| 19:54 | wizzyrea | I think the last time I did it on ubuntu I did it with the debian install instructions |
| 19:54 | (I always follow along to make sure I don't forget something) | |
| 19:56 | moodaepo | wizzyrea good idea |
| 19:56 | owen | Should searching for a budget by date work? I'm looking at admin/aqbudget.pl |
| 19:56 | moodaepo | hey that rhymes : ) anyways I did notice the ubuntu instructions are missing index data stuff |
| 20:04 | jdavidb | That's a pretty-major omission! |
| 20:06 | chris | it might be that they are in the ubuntu repos already |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | jdavidb, chris: yes, I believe that is the case |
| 20:06 | jdavidb | Certainly worth checkin', but I seem to recall that m'self. |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | pretty obvious if the sudo apt-get install yaz idzebra-2.0 idzebra-2.0-doc fails |
| 20:07 | moodaepo | yea see I had done that from debian already |
| 20:07 | as in the debian instructions | |
| 20:08 | of course the auth wrote it for Jaunty and I am using Hardy which is about 2 versions old and the long term support edition from ubuntu | |
| 20:11 | jdavidb | That may be a contributing factor, moodaepo. |
| 20:13 | moodaepo | yup..of course in production no one runs sid now do they : ) so why write instructions for even sid-1 |
| 20:13 | jdavidb | I'm running some etch, some lenny--and both work maaahvelously. |
| 20:14 | moodaepo | yea and there a whole bunch of cpan mods which weren't installed I am doing them from debian instructions I think that'll help me proceed |
| 20:14 | jdavidb: on production? | |
| 20:14 | jdavidb | I'm running lenny on some dev boxen, etch on production. I've seen no reason not to go to lenny when we move to new hardware in the next few weeks. |
| 20:17 | moodaepo | hah true true I haven't been following debian much...when did etch and lenny come out? jaunty is a couple of months old and hardy is about a year I think. |
| 20:17 | jdavidb | Lenny came out...oh, right around New Year...etch is a couple of years out. Debian moves sloooooooow.. |
| 20:23 | moodaepo | grr replace previous issue with new ones |
| 20:23 | wizzyrea | always lots the first time |
| 20:23 | :) | |
| 20:24 | moodaepo | Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite JSON 2.07 not found. We have 1.14. |
| 20:24 | Makefile.PL: Warning: prerequisite Net::Z3950::ZOOM 1.16 not found. | |
| 20:25 | ZOOM-Perl requires at least version 2.1.50 of YAZ, but you only have version 2.1.18. | |
| 20:26 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]uide_ubuntu_hardy |
| 20:26 | moodaepo | chris thnx |
| 20:27 | chris | dunno if it will help, looks like you have older versions of lots of stuff, older than koha wants anyway |
| 20:27 | moodaepo | yup |
| 20:28 | this doc looks better than the INSTALL.ubuntu in git | |
| 20:28 | chris | as you say, that is for jaunty |
| 20:28 | i wouldnt expect it to work for 2 versions older | |
| 20:29 | moodaepo | true true |
| 20:31 | richard | hi |
| 20:33 | chris | hi richard |
| 20:33 | richard | hi chris |
| 21:03 | chris | @later tell paul_p http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]Wellington-attack |
| 21:03 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 21:05 | brendan | @wunder wellington NZ |
| 21:05 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 10.0°C (8:15 AM NZST on June 26, 2009). Conditions: Rain. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 7.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:06 | brendan | hmm.. seems warmer there. but bummer rain |
| 21:06 | @wunder 93103 | |
| 21:06 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 19.5°C (2:05 PM PDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 74%. Dew Point: 15.0°C. Pressure: 29.90 in 1012.4 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:06 | moodaepo | @wunder 56001 |
| 21:06 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 29.6°C (3:59 PM CDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 100%. Dew Point: 30.0°C. Pressure: 29.85 in 1010.7 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:10 | wizzyrea | so I learned something funny about SIP today (please, try not to groan)... our self checks show the private circulation notes on the public selfcheck interface. |
| 21:10 | i updated bug 2653 to reflect that | |
| 21:11 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2653 normal, P3, ---, joe.atzbergerliblime.com, ASSIGNED, SIP2 Error with unescaped carriage return in circulation note |
| 21:12 | chris | heh whoops |
| 21:14 | wizzyrea | oh, yea, chris you'll probably see that too, doesn't HLT have 3M stuff? |
| 21:15 | chris | not yet, in the process (techlogic actually) |
| 21:15 | wizzyrea | you'll be glad that we're fixing all of the sip stuff for you lol |
| 21:24 | chris | yep :) |
| 21:24 | thats the beauty of free software :) | |
| 21:38 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, quebec |
| 21:38 | munin | ebegin: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 31.0°C (5:00 PM EDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 46%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.61 in 1002 hPa (Falling). |
| 21:38 | ebegin | It's getting hot in here... |
| 21:42 | moodaepo | ebegin: you can say that again |
| 21:42 | @wunder 56003 | |
| 21:42 | munin | moodaepo: The current temperature in MSU Physics Dept, Mankato, Minnesota is 29.6°C (4:29 PM CDT on June 25, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 50%. Dew Point: 18.0°C. Pressure: 29.84 in 1010.4 hPa (Steady). |
| 21:42 | moodaepo | hah humidity went down here in half an hour from 100 to 50 |
| 21:43 | ebegin | @google 56003 zipcode |
| 21:43 | munin | ebegin: 56003 Zip Code (Mankato, Minnesota) Detailed Profile - residents ...: <http://www.city-data.com/zips/56003.html>; NORTH MANKATO, MN (zip code 56003) real estate - home value ...: <http://www.city-data.com/real-[…]ATO-MN-56003.html>; 56003 Zip Code in Mankato, MN - Neighborhoods, Schools, Real ...: <http://www.neighborhoodlink.com/zip/56003>; 56003 zip code - (2 more messages) |
| 21:43 | moodaepo | ok so now I am stuck at "Error: Can't connect to data source because I can't work out what driver to use" |
| 21:43 | after make test | |
| 21:45 | gmcharlt | moodaepo: DBD::mysql is installed, right? |
| 21:46 | moodaepo | gmcharlt: yup! |
| 21:47 | checked DBI, DBD::MYSQL man getting things to work on any platform ~1 year should be easier : ) | |
| 21:55 | Elwell | moodaepo: heh. I'm afraid I gave up and fired debian 5 onto box as ubuntu broke in strange ways |
| 22:00 | moodaepo | I am a retard! |
| 22:00 | pianohacker | @seen thd |
| 22:00 | munin | pianohacker: thd was last seen in #koha 1 day, 14 hours, 36 minutes, and 21 seconds ago: <thd> good morning nicomo and nahuel |
| 22:01 | moodaepo | I kept trying to do make test before I did make zoned out for an hour now! |
| 22:01 | alls good now | |
| 22:48 | pianohacker | ehh, nevermind. Flaky hotel wireless. See you all tomorrow |
| 01:12 | chris | sheeesh |
| 01:12 | what a morning | |
| 01:13 | michael jackson, farrah fawcett, and a lying french rugby player | |
| 01:14 | all at the same time, biggest load stuff.co.nz has ever had | |
| 02:30 | brendan | lying french rugby player? |
| 02:33 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]nry-philosophical |
| 02:39 | brendan: thats a big deal cos nz is hosting the world cup in 2011, and players being attacked is not a good look | |
| 02:42 | brendan | oh man - that's not to good -- |
| 02:42 | idiot more like it | |
| 02:44 | chris | just young and panicked i think, but yeah not hte best idea he ever had |
| 02:52 | brendan | ahhh -- homemade pizza, ray charles and beer here tonight -- spotcha later |
| 02:52 | chris | :) |
| 03:23 | Amit | hi chris, brendan |
| 03:23 | morning #koha | |
| 03:23 | brendan | heya Amit |
| 03:25 | Amit - you hear about Mathieu Bastareaud -- chris pointed that story out to me -- http://www.stuff.co.nz/nationa[…]nry-philosophical | |
| 03:25 | Amit | no |
| 03:25 | ok i will check | |
| 03:27 | hi koha | |
| 03:28 | Jo | hi amit |
| 03:29 | Amit | hi Jo |
| 04:46 | chris: is there any command to git uncommit | |
| 05:00 | chris | http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]cs/git-reset.html |
| 05:13 | great photo jo | |
| 05:21 | Jo | she was so cute - started off lying on her back then leapt up just a minute or so before we took the photo - not taking her eyes off the page |
| 05:21 | chris | hehe |
| 05:24 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]p?g2_itemId=70376 | |
| 05:26 | Jo | your kids are so beautiful |
| 05:26 | mind you , he won't thank in years to come for bathing shots | |
| 05:28 | chris | hehe |
| 05:29 | if thats the most we embarass him, he'll be lucky :) | |
| 05:29 | Jo | hehe |
| 05:29 | ok gotta go | |
| 05:30 | have agreat wekeend | |
| 05:37 | thd | chris: my closing internet host's email server is running again after being down for 3 weekdays |
| 05:37 | chris | woot, quick migrate it :) |
| 05:38 | thd | quickly migrating over 100 addresses is a contradiction |
| 05:38 | chris | true |
| 05:38 | thd | I can at least protect some important stuff |
| 05:39 | chris | you could shift them, and set up a catchall for the time being |
| 05:39 | then set them up one by one | |
| 05:39 | thd | if I had file system access for my hosting provider's email server it could be quick |
| 05:40 | chris | what do you use for your mta? |
| 05:40 | thd | Postfix locally |
| 05:40 | Amit | hi thd |
| 05:40 | thd | and dbmail mail for IMAP and POP |
| 05:41 | hello Amit | |
| 05:41 | chris: what have you used for MTA and IMAP? | |
| 05:44 | chris | postfix and/or exim4 |
| 05:44 | i dont run my own imap server any more | |
| 05:45 | thd | really. Why is that? |
| 05:45 | chris | i just let my isp or hosting provider run the mailserver, and i use offlineimap and mutt |
| 05:46 | (this is for personal mail) | |
| 05:46 | i let work run the mailserver and still use offlineimap + screen + mutt | |
| 05:46 | to read taht too | |
| 05:47 | thd | What does work use for the IMAP server? |
| 05:47 | chris | dunno, thats the sysadmins job :) |
| 05:48 | i know it works, thats all im worried about | |
| 05:48 | im betting its postfix + something | |
| 05:49 | 220 mail.catalyst.net.nz ESMTP Postfix (Debian/GNU) | |
| 05:49 | thd | I have to worry more now for myself instead of merely for other systems which I have configured and maintain |
| 05:50 | I am concerned about fault tolerant backup | |
| 05:51 | chris | OK [CAPABILITY IMAP4rev1 UIDPLUS CHILDREN NAMESPACE THREAD=ORDEREDSUBJECT THREAD=REFERENCES SORT QUOTA IDLE ACL ACL2=UNION STARTTLS] Courier-IMAP ready. Copyright 1998-2008 Double Precision, Inc. See COPYING for distribution information. |
| 05:51 | thd | in case the mail server goes down |
| 05:52 | I have been thinking of switching to Courier | |
| 05:52 | dbmail is a one company project which is a little scary | |
| 05:53 | chris | katipo runs courier as well |
| 05:54 | thd | no maintenance backup mail server: http://weblogs.asp.net/guybarr[…]-mail-server.aspx |
| 05:55 | chris | sounds like a decent idea |
| 05:57 | thd | except for some comments complaining that it did not work |
| 06:00 | chris | yeah, but i think the ones who followed the instructiosn got it to work :) |
| 06:00 | thd | If I manage to be careful now I should never have lost more than a few significant text documents about 15 years ago and my bibliographic citation collection 25 years ago |
| 06:01 | chris | :) |
| 06:01 | thd | about 25 years ago I lost my data while trying to back it up |
| 06:01 | I inserted the wrong floppy | |
| 06:01 | chris | ouch |
| 06:02 | thd | in the pre hard drive days |
| 07:13 | chris | good morning europe |
| 07:13 | soul9 | good evening New Zealand |
| 07:18 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 07:24 | Amit | hi hdl |
| 07:27 | hi nahuel | |
| 07:28 | chris: i m just summit my first patch sort1 and sort2 in overdue report. | |
| 07:29 | nahuel | hi |
| 07:29 | chris | ohh cool amit |
| 07:33 | you will be number 96 :) | |
| 07:33 | Amit | hmm if my patch accepted |
| 07:34 | adding sort1 and sort2 filter in overdues report | |
| 07:41 | paul_p | hehe... just 4 to get 100. |
| 07:42 | chris | yep :) |
| 07:42 | Amit | hi paul_p |
| 07:42 | paul_p | hello Amit, chris & anyone around |
| 07:43 | sunny morning in France. And last day of school for childrens. | |
| 07:43 | chris | ohh holidays next week? |
| 07:43 | paul_p | (well, in fact, next week, they are supposed to go to school monday & tuesday, but they can come with whatever games they want !) |
| 07:44 | chris: yep. | |
| 07:44 | chris | ahh cool |
| 07:44 | paul_p | (not for me, and not for my wife...) |
| 07:44 | chris | how long before school starts again? |
| 07:44 | hehe | |
| 07:44 | paul_p | wifes prefer school time to holiday time... |
| 07:44 | chris: sept, 1st or 2nd (don't remember exactly) | |
| 07:45 | with 4 childrens, I can guarantee that organising holidays is as complex as understanding MARC records ! maybe even more complex... | |
| 07:45 | chris | hehe |
| 07:45 | so 2 months or so | |
| 07:46 | thats a long time to keep them entertained | |
| 07:46 | maybe one year in the future we can do an exchange :-) | |
| 07:51 | paul_p | chris: very good idea. Except i'm not sure any of our childrens would be happy to go to a winter country during his summer... |
| 07:51 | chris | good point |
| 07:51 | maybe one will want to play rugby one day :-) | |
| 07:51 | or maybe a spring/autumn one | |
| 07:56 | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]p?g2_itemId=70376 <--- i think atarau might be a prop if he plays rugby :) | |
| 07:57 | he is already 5kg | |
| 07:59 | hdl_laptop | WOW !! |
| 09:27 | @tell nengard HAPPY BIRTHDAY nicole | |
| 09:27 | munin | hdl_laptop: Error: I haven't seen nengard, I'll let you do the telling. |
| 09:28 | chris | :) |
| 09:28 | http://opac.koha.workbuffer.or[…]a/opac-main-tt.pl | |
| 09:28 | still converting the template | |
| 09:28 | but its mostly working now | |
| 09:29 | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]oha/Templates.pm; thats the module doing most of the work | |
| 09:36 | http://git.workbuffer.org/cgi-[…]/opac-main-tt.pl; and thats the script | |
| 09:36 | so not too hard to do | |
| 09:41 | thats enough for a friday night i think | |
| 09:50 | hdl_laptop | good night |
| 11:20 | chris | and awake again |
| 11:21 | ebegin | good morning |
| 11:25 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 11:26 | Amit | hi ebegin |
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