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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:00 | No_Reply | i'm moving my 942k records from last night to 952o |
| 12:01 | Amit | k |
| 12:01 | No_Reply | errr...thought you were someone else, actually |
| 13:25 | Hery_R | Hi folks |
| 13:25 | gmcharlt | hi |
| 13:28 | Hery_R | I'm finalizing an evaluation of Koha as a part of Opensource ILS, and there's some point I can't evaluate by myself, perhaps somebody here could help me |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | ask away |
| 13:29 | Hery_R | How far stemming and lemmatisation are implemented in koha? |
| 13:29 | gmcharlt | stemming is supportred, and will soon be improved |
| 13:30 | stemming support is for most major European languages | |
| 13:32 | lemmatization is not currently supported | |
| 13:34 | Hery_R | ok, thanks :) |
| 14:21 | slef | Does Jean-André Santoni come on here at all? |
| 14:21 | hi all by the way | |
| 14:24 | I was hoping to discuss bug 3144 because I really don't want to have Koha discriminate against people like me. | |
| 14:24 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3144 normal, P5, ---, jeanandre.santoni biblibre.com, NEW, anti-spam for opac-suggestions |
| 14:26 | wizzyrea | slef: pleading ignorance, what would you be discriminated against for? |
| 14:27 | No_Reply | looks like some have pointed out that reCAPTCHA isn't accessible to people with visual and hearing impairments |
| 14:27 | wizzyrea | slef: never mind, rtfb |
| 14:28 | so I see | |
| 14:28 | I can see this | |
| 14:28 | No_Reply | count yourself one of the lucky ones :P |
| 14:29 | slef | wizzyrea: I have poor eyesight and damaged hearing |
| 14:30 | No_Reply | slef: do you have an alternate solution |
| 14:31 | slef | yes. Install anti-spam methods, such as blogspam.net |
| 14:31 | No_Reply | it looks like the current problem is that the entire feature must be disabled |
| 14:38 | hdl_laptop | slef: Jean André is Kivutar |
| 14:38 | and he is there | |
| 14:38 | Kivutar | here I am :) |
| 14:39 | slef: I sent a mail to Nicolas Morin this morning, about this bug | |
| 14:44 | No_Reply | Kivutar: so what's the current status? are we looking into more accessible alternatives to reCAPTCHA? |
| 14:48 | Kivutar | No_Reply: yes, I would prefer to use a non discriminative way to solve this problem |
| 14:50 | but I am waiting for Nicolas Morin to reply to my mail first, he's my employer and I cannot do without his advice | |
| 15:00 | |Lupin| | Kivutar: +1 |
| 15:01 | slef | bah, employment ;-) |
| 15:01 | Kivutar | :) |
| 15:26 | slef | anyone got comments on bug 3332 I should take into consideration? |
| 15:26 | |Lupin| | till soon |
| 15:26 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjrttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons |
| 15:26 | |Lupin| | bye |
| 15:27 | slef | that's odd. I thought the thing after P5 was the sponsorship status |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | slef: it is, but for some reason is not consistently pulled up by munin |
| 15:33 | @bug 3332 | |
| 15:34 | munin | gmcharlt: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjrttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons |
| 15:50 | kf | is it possible to prevent holds, when one item in patron library is still on shelf and available? |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | kf: Not sure what you're asking. Are you wondering if you can prevent holds on checked in items? |
| 15:52 | kf | I found out, that I can forbit holds on available items with AllowOnShelfHolds OFF, but then i cant reserve the item from another branch |
| 15:52 | yes | |
| 15:52 | pianohacker | So you want to be able to reserve checked-in items from other branches, but not this branch? I don't think that's currently possible |
| 15:53 | kf | holdability depending on item status or something like that |
| 15:53 | yes, thats what I wanted | |
| 15:53 | its about closed stack access | |
| 15:53 | I try to find out, how to manage this with Koha | |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | kf: it's there in part (see the bottom of the circ rules page in 3.2), but doesn't handle differntiating local on-shelf holds vs. remote ones |
| 15:54 | kf | but its holdabilty per item type |
| 15:54 | so its gerneally not holdable, as far as I undertand it | |
| 15:54 | what I m looking for is somethong with holdability and item status (on loan, not for loan, available) | |
| 15:54 | gmcharlt | kf: well, it's holdabilty divided into three options per branch/itemtype |
| 15:54 | * allow from any librayr | |
| 15:55 | * only from home library | |
| 15:55 | * not allowed at all | |
| 15:55 | kf | but it seems, that as long as AllowOnShelfHolds is OFF you cant reserve, even iif its allow from any library |
| 15:56 | because its on shelf in the other library | |
| 15:56 | gmcharlt | right, the on-shelf setting is currently global |
| 15:57 | kf | our libraries normally expect holds to work: if there is an item in currend library available for checkout - tell patron to go to shelf |
| 15:58 | it there is no item available in current library - tell user he can reserve | |
| 15:58 | I think this cant be done with Koha - but I was not sure, if I missed something | |
| 15:59 | gmcharlt | kf: no, I think some coding would be needed |
| 15:59 | kf: I suggest adding that to bugs.koha.org | |
| 16:00 | kf | I think something like AllowOnShelfHolds by library would be a good start |
| 16:01 | gmcharlt | kf: that would be useful, yes, but not sufficient to meet your workflow |
| 16:02 | kf | no, still thinking about it |
| 16:02 | holds are giving me headaches | |
| 16:04 | gmcharlt | kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;) |
| 16:04 | kf | yes |
| 16:04 | and our project library is not a simple one | |
| 16:05 | atz | yeah, it would be nice if we could arbitrarily cap the complexity of holds logic... |
| 16:06 | kf | how do your libraries work? |
| 16:06 | can users just reserve everything, even if its on shelf and librarians are supposed to get it for them? | |
| 16:07 | atz | kf: mostly, yes. |
| 16:07 | kf | very conient |
| 16:07 | convenient | |
| 16:08 | gmcharlt | yeah, under that model the complexity is not with who gets to place requests |
| 16:08 | but routing items to fill the requests | |
| 16:09 | kf | I think we expect it to make as little work as possible |
| 16:09 | by telling the patron: look on shelf, there is still an item you can get | |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | @quote add gmcharlt: kf: hold requests are a plot to sell more aspirin ;) |
| 16:13 | munin | wizzyrea: The operation succeeded. Quote #6 added. |
| 16:13 | wizzyrea | @quote random |
| 16:13 | munin | wizzyrea: Quote #4: "< kf> I often get asked: You have to study to be a librarian? perhaps MARC was invented to answer it ;)" (added by chris at 12:50 PM, June 12, 2009) |
| 16:14 | kf | ok, MARC and holds management are evil g |
| 16:23 | No_Reply | i have a bit of an odd problem |
| 16:23 | kf | ok, I will write a summary, about what I think can be done now and discuss with my colleagues, what is missing, thx gmcharlt |
| 16:24 | slef | No_Reply: you're named after a bad newsletter From line? ;-) |
| 16:25 | No_Reply | i've just updated all of our records, moving call numbers from 942k to 952o |
| 16:26 | for koha 3.0.1 | |
| 16:27 | but records created under 3.0.1 and a handful of older ones (maybe 50 total, including the 10 or so new records) still have NULL under itemcallnumber | |
| 16:28 | select biblionumber, bibid from marc_biblio where biblionumber = 8905; Empty set (0.00 sec) | |
| 16:28 | this is the case for those 50+ records, but not for the rest | |
| 16:28 | am I missing something? | |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | No_Reply: marc_biblio is a holdover from your upgrade from 2.2 |
| 16:29 | No_Reply | i see |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | so it's possible that those records may not have been quite right to begin with |
| 16:29 | No_Reply | what replaced it? |
| 16:29 | gmcharlt | biblio and biblioitems |
| 16:30 | basically, the MARC tags from marc_biblio got converted to MARC and MARCXML blobs | |
| 16:30 | in biblioitems.marc and biblioitems.marcxml | |
| 16:31 | No_Reply | right |
| 16:33 | so is there a script i can use to find the value in a particular marc field under the new system | |
| 16:34 | gmcharlt | No_Reply: not as such - it takes a bit more doing |
| 16:34 | either by doing a search | |
| 16:34 | or checking for tags that are mapped to specific columns in biblio, bibliotems, or items per the MARC framework | |
| 16:34 | No_Reply | hmmm |
| 16:35 | well, the problem is that the items I want are mapped incorrectly | |
| 16:36 | the result is, as noted, NULL values in items.itemcallnumber | |
| 16:37 | so i need to grab the data in 942k from the MARC blob, somehow | |
| 16:40 | gmcharlt | No_Reply: do you know any Perl? |
| 16:41 | No_Reply | yes, i'm using a perl script to do the leg work already |
| 16:42 | gmcharlt | No_Reply: ok, then you can write a script that uses C4::Biblio::GetMarcBiblio() to get a MARC::Record object for each affected bib |
| 16:42 | No_Reply | ok, that helps a lot |
| 16:42 | gmcharlt | then use MARC::Record and MARC::Field routines to grab the 952$o (or 942$k) for each item |
| 16:44 | then use C4::Items::ModItem({ itemcallnumber => $foo }, $biblionumber, $itemnumber) to make the change | |
| 16:45 | No_Reply | already doing moditem |
| 16:45 | was just using the database to grab the 942k data | |
| 16:45 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 16:46 | No_Reply | if i can use GetMarcBibilio and MARC::Record to do what i was doing with SQL, then it should work |
| 16:46 | gmcharlt | nahuel: about? |
| 16:51 | hdl_laptop | nahuel: went |
| 16:51 | hi gmcharlt | |
| 16:51 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop |
| 16:51 | question regarding bug 2893 | |
| 16:51 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2893 normal, PATCH-Sent, ---, nahuel.angelinettibiblibre.com, ASSIGNED, Allow the staff to force loaning of not for loan documents |
| 16:52 | gmcharlt | I'm assuming that the AllowNotForLoanOverride syspref should work |
| 16:52 | regardless of whether the item is normally not for loan because of its item type | |
| 16:52 | or because of the item's individual not-for-loan flag | |
| 16:55 | hdl_laptop | It makes sense. |
| 16:56 | No_Reply | gmcharlt: that seems to have worked |
| 16:56 | thanks | |
| 16:56 | dinner time now | |
| 17:01 | hdl_laptop | but gmcharlt I suppose that if nahuel did so it was because it was asked as such. |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: well, that's the question |
| 17:02 | may have been asked that way, or nahuel may have just implemented the one case or not the other | |
| 17:04 | kf | speaking about not for loan: if itemtype is not for loan items get displayed as available in OPAC |
| 17:07 | gmcharlt | kf: that be a bug - please enter it in bugs.koha.org if it's not there already |
| 17:07 | hdl_laptop | I think it was asked for only one case, and tested in that case |
| 17:08 | I will send him an email | |
| 17:09 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 17:09 | based on the one customer support issue where that's come up, my current preference is to have the syspref handle both cases | |
| 17:09 | kf | searching in bugs.koha.org now |
| 17:10 | gmcharlt | unless it turns out that there's some reason to have separate sysprefs |
| 17:53 | slef | gmcharlt: about bug 3332 - are there (m)any big changes to borrowers which will hinder forward-porting it to 3.2? |
| 17:53 | munin | 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3332 enhancement, P5, ---, mjrttllp.co.uk, ASSIGNED, Edit whole category of patrons |
| 17:59 | gmcharlt | slef: except for the odd new column or two, none that I can think of |
| 18:08 | chris | morning |
| 18:08 | @wunder wellington, new zealand | |
| 18:08 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 8.0°C (6:00 AM NZST on June 17, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 57%. Dew Point: 0.0°C. Windchill: 3.0°C. Pressure: 29.98 in 1015 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:08 | slef | gmcharlt: cool. Thanks. |
| 18:08 | chris | i hate southerlies |
| 18:09 | slef | @wunder Weston-super-Mare, SOMERSET |
| 18:09 | munin | slef: The current temperature in Weston-Super-Mare, United Kingdom is 19.3°C (7:08 PM BST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Partly Cloudy. Humidity: 73%. Dew Point: 14.0°C. Pressure: 30.21 in 1022.9 hPa (Steady). |
| 18:09 | slef | time for a bike ride :) |
| 18:09 | bbl | |
| 18:15 | paul_p | @wunder montauban, france |
| 18:15 | munin | paul_p: The current temperature in Montauban, La Ville Dieu Du Temple, France is 21.7°C (8:14 PM CEST on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 68%. Dew Point: 16.0°C. Pressure: 30.17 in 1021.6 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:15 | eric_b | @wunder montreal, quebec |
| 18:15 | munin | eric_b: The current temperature in Montreal / Dorval International, Que, Quebec is 22.0°C (2:00 PM EDT on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 47%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 30.20 in 1022 hPa (Falling). |
| 18:22 | chris | hehe |
| 19:22 | |Lupin| | good night, France. Good day, NZ |
| 19:28 | chris | heh |
| 19:29 | < rangi> kgs: have they actually said anything about FLOSS yet? | |
| 19:29 | < kgs> @rangi there was a slide that said open source on it. | |
| 19:29 | ebegin | chris, hehe |
| 19:30 | rhcl | @wunder what's polaris |
| 19:30 | munin | rhcl: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 19:30 | ebegin | chris, a plugin for munin telling what time is it where would be nice... |
| 19:30 | slef | rhcl: I don't know either |
| 19:31 | rhcl: and I'm being too lazy to look up | |
| 19:31 | chris | proprietary ILS |
| 19:31 | rhcl | :) |
| 19:31 | chris | admittedly a fairly no crap one, compared to the others |
| 19:31 | slef | "the brightest star in the constellation Ursa Minor" thanks wikipedia |
| 19:31 | rhcl | Ah, I was thinking submarine. An open source nuke sub would be really cool. |
| 19:31 | slef | @wikipedia polaris |
| 19:31 | munin | slef: downloading the Perl source |
| 19:32 | slef | I could probably write a wikipedia plugin using wp.dg.cx pretty easily |
| 19:32 | chris | they are picking up a lot of ex horizon customers |
| 19:32 | slef | but I've also got work to do :) |
| 19:32 | boo! | |
| 19:32 | chris | but are obviously worried that koha and evergreen are too |
| 19:32 | slef | from the end-of-life frying pan back into the proprietary fire? |
| 19:33 | chris | so do some webinar, about 'open source' to try and muddy the waters |
| 19:33 | yeah | |
| 19:33 | vendor_locking-- | |
| 19:33 | lockin too | |
| 19:33 | ebegin | a lot of proprietary ILS are worried by Koha and Evergreen... |
| 19:33 | chris | good |
| 19:34 | :) | |
| 19:35 | ebegin | chrisL: You are following the conf on twitter? |
| 19:35 | chris | kgs (from evergreen) was/is |
| 19:35 | in the webinar, and i was following her tweets | |
| 19:36 | i would have had to install some proprietary crud to watch the webinar :-) | |
| 19:36 | ebegin | is the webinar can be access by anyone? |
| 19:37 | chris | i think its finished now, but yes i think that was the idea |
| 19:37 | ebegin | ok |
| 19:39 | chris | ebegin: you will appreciate this one http://twitter.com/taonga/status/2190392556 |
| 19:39 | ebegin | Is there a script in Koha comparing the content of a biblio to authorities and link them together? |
| 19:40 | gmcharlt | ebegin: link_bibs_to_authorities.pl |
| 19:40 | ebegin | gmcharlt, my understanding of this script is that it checks the $9 field and copy the authority info in the biblio. |
| 19:42 | What I'm looking for is a biblio without $9 subfields. Comparing info (ex: 700) with all authorities and assing the authnumber to the $9 field if there is a match... | |
| 19:43 | slef | ebegin: that would be cool |
| 19:43 | chris: Debian MiniConf @ LCA2010 in Wellington — help needed | |
| 19:43 | chris | i think ryan had something like that |
| 19:44 | slef: orly? | |
| 19:44 | we was planning to help with the perl one | |
| 19:44 | ill ping the dd at work | |
| 19:44 | dd's even | |
| 19:45 | we=I :) | |
| 19:46 | slef | tyvm... mail was to debian-project by madduck |
| 19:46 | chris | ahhh |
| 19:47 | penny's man :) | |
| 19:47 | slef | yep |
| 19:47 | chris | angling for a trip back to nz :) |
| 19:48 | im sure we can sort something out | |
| 19:48 | ill forward the email to some people | |
| 19:55 | done, something to suprise them when they get to work :) | |
| 20:00 | hello kansas | |
| 20:02 | gmcharlt | ebegin: no, the script checks headings in the bib record and creates $9 if the subfield exists |
| 20:02 | *authority exists | |
| 20:02 | wizzyrea1 | oh... the responsibility! |
| 20:03 | <there's no place like home... there's no place like home...> | |
| 20:03 | gmcharlt | are Kansans sick of that joke by now? |
| 20:03 | Snow_Fox | kinda tune it out actually |
| 20:03 | wizzyrea1 | oh... yea, exactly |
| 20:03 | chris | its evolved |
| 20:04 | Snow_Fox | i mention that a munchkin hung himself in the film and that usually stops that |
| 20:04 | chris | (thats all nzers know about kansas) |
| 20:04 | wizzyrea1 | O.o |
| 20:05 | slef | I just misread nzers... too much BNP news lately :-/ |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea1 | snow_fox: :) |
| 20:05 | Snow_Fox | its like throwing a pipwrench into a bunch of gears |
| 20:05 | wizzyrea1 | without all the screeching |
| 20:05 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 20:05 | chris | slef: ouch please dont confuse us with them :) |
| 20:05 | Snow_Fox | eh |
| 20:06 | gmcharlt | Snow_Fox: of course, then there's http://www.snopes.com/movies/films/ozsuicide.asp |
| 20:06 | Snow_Fox | were all people :-P |
| 20:06 | chris | you know who the BNP are Snow_Fox ? |
| 20:06 | i wouldnt call them people | |
| 20:06 | Snow_Fox | nopers |
| 20:06 | but i was refering to the New Zelanders | |
| 20:06 | chris | think world war 2, a word that has n and z in it |
| 20:07 | Snow_Fox | pardon the spelling :-P |
| 20:07 | gotcha | |
| 20:07 | slef | Snow_Fox: BNP are the British Nazi Party |
| 20:07 | of course, officially it's N for National | |
| 20:07 | wizzyrea1 | national, according to wikipedia |
| 20:07 | but they sound vile | |
| 20:07 | Snow_Fox | you would think that would be rather defeatist |
| 20:07 | and on that note | |
| 20:07 | lunch time | |
| 20:07 | slef | who was the KohaCon 2009 committee? Only the three on http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohacon2009 ? |
| 20:08 | chris | speaking of which, so far its Jo from hlt and I |
| 20:09 | for the wellington bid, we would love anyone else who wants to help organise | |
| 20:10 | those 3 plus tina and nicole | |
| 20:10 | afaik | |
| 20:11 | oh, i lie nicole has volunteered to help organising too, so yay for that | |
| 20:11 | nengard++ | |
| 20:12 | im hoping we can get the use of one of the universities facilities for 2010 | |
| 20:14 | wizzyrea1 | ooh that would be good |
| 20:14 | chris | victoria university has a good library science program |
| 20:15 | and brenda chawner there, is a big FLOSS fan | |
| 20:15 | so ill try to co-opt her :) | |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | chris: do you know Adrienne Ridley-Houlker there? |
| 20:30 | brendan | Would love plan this on-site -- but I can only contribute virtually |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | yea, I'd help too except not for sure for sure I will be able to come (but will try to move heaven and earth to make sure when the time is nearer) |
| 20:39 | richard | hi |
| 20:42 | hdl_laptop | ebegin : what you are looking for was done for 2.2 |
| 20:43 | I have adapted for 3.0, but there are two chunks of code : | |
| 20:44 | One pm and one script which uses that. | |
| 20:45 | I have not committed it because it is not stable enough in my opinion and lacks documentation. | |
| 20:45 | + it is adapted to UNIMARC and would require some work to adapt to MARC21. | |
| 20:46 | pianohacker | Has anyone else seen a problem where, say, C4::Stats exports DoBlah, and C4::Circulation use's C4::Stats, but using DoBlah in C4::Circulation results in an error? I've seen it and worked around it, but cannot figure out what triggers it |
| 20:50 | hdl_laptop | I would have suspected that either. |
| 20:50 | But no evidence for it | |
| 20:50 | good nite | |
| 20:50 | pianohacker | good night |
| 21:28 | graphviz input file of Koha's dependencies (have chewed through my swap and crashed circo trying to display this): http://pastebin.ca/1462625 | |
| 21:45 | chris | back |
| 21:48 | wizzyrea | quickie: correct that staff results have no xslt display? |
| 21:48 | (yet) | |
| 21:50 | chris | gmcharlt: name doesnt ring a bell |
| 21:50 | wizzyrea: i think that is correct | |
| 21:58 | pianohacker: C4::Circ certainly has issues | |
| 21:59 | uses C4::Reserves which in turn uses C4::Circulation | |
| 21:59 | theres a potential memory leak there, for running under mod_perl | |
| 22:03 | brendan: thanks for the volunteering :) | |
| 22:03 | right i think ive caught up :) | |
| 22:04 | brendan | :) |
| 22:04 | chris -- Assuming your the project manager on that one -- so let me know what I can do! | |
| 22:05 | chris | ill probably defer to Jo mostly :) |
| 22:12 | brendan | @later Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need |
| 22:12 | munin | brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 22:12 | brendan | @later Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need |
| 22:12 | munin | brendan: I suck |
| 22:12 | chris | you need @later tell |
| 22:12 | brendan | thanks |
| 22:13 | @later tell Jo - brendan is interested in volunteer to help Bid for Kohacon 10 in NZ -- any help you need | |
| 22:13 | munin | brendan: The operation succeeded. |
| 22:13 | chris | :) |
| 22:13 | brendan | sweet |
| 22:58 | Jo | morning |
| 22:58 | pianohacker | Good morning |
| 22:58 | chris | hi jo |
| 22:58 | Jo | how are you |
| 23:06 | pianohacker | How do you manage multiple Zebra installations (for multiple databases, say) on one server, #koha ? Multiple instances of zebrasrv seems like the most likely option, but also wasteful |
| 23:09 | chris | you can define as many db's in your config file as you want |
| 23:09 | and have one zebra that runs them all | |
| 23:09 | *but* | |
| 23:09 | you will get into logjams indexing | |
| 23:09 | pianohacker | I wondered |
| 23:10 | chris | multiple instances of zebrasrv running is probably the safest |
| 23:10 | pianohacker | And just configure each one with the corresponding koha-conf.xml |
| 23:11 | chris | *nod* |
| 23:11 | pianohacker | k, thanks |
| 23:11 | chris | so you only need one installed, but you can have multiples running |
| 23:11 | (not all trying to use the same port/socket of course :)) | |
| 23:14 | pianohacker | definitely not; zebra's touchy enough as it is |
| 23:14 | chris | :) |
| 00:05 | @later tell paul_p http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]gainst-All-Blacks | |
| 00:05 | munin | chris: The operation succeeded. |
| 01:20 | brendan | excuse me if I have missed this somewhere - but on my koha-dev install -- all of the files in the clone have the permissions of my user -- but all of the files under my koha-dev have the permissions of root? -- does this have something to do with the install script? |
| 01:20 | chris | yeah the sudo make install |
| 01:20 | does that | |
| 01:21 | i sudo chown -R koha:koha ~/koha-dev | |
| 01:21 | usually | |
| 01:24 | brendan | sorry just clarify what you mean there -- when running the sudo make install -- that will cause the koha-dev portion to have root permissions |
| 01:25 | chris | yeah cos you are running it as root |
| 01:25 | brendan | running the install - right gotcha |
| 01:25 | ok next thing -- should that info be added to the manual ? | |
| 01:26 | even though the manual is usually only geared for simple install | |
| 01:26 | chris | well, the idea is the dev install is for dev installers :) |
| 01:26 | brendan | errr.. standard |
| 01:26 | chris | yeah |
| 01:26 | the standard install does the chown step | |
| 01:26 | brendan | correct -- I guess I also just did this in the past |
| 01:26 | and I'm only asking now | |
| 01:27 | chris | :) |
| 01:27 | brendan | well at least until the first time -- it said I didn't have permissions to write into my zebradb.. hehe |
| 01:27 | chris | but on the wiki wouldnt hurt |
| 01:27 | brendan | ahah |
| 01:29 | thanks chris | |
| 01:29 | chris | np |
| 02:07 | brendan | @wunder Santa Barbara |
| 02:07 | munin | brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 02:07 | brendan | @wunder Santa Barbara, CA |
| 02:08 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Near Mission - TC, Santa Barbara, California is 20.4°C (7:07 PM PDT on June 16, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 45%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.91 in 1012.8 hPa (Falling). |
| 02:08 | brendan | that feels cold to me ;) |
| 03:24 | Amit | hi brendan, richard, Jo, Chris, mason |
| 03:24 | good morning #koha | |
| 03:26 | richard | hey amit |
| 03:26 | Amit | richard: NZ out of T-20 world cup |
| 03:26 | brendan | hey amit |
| 03:26 | Amit | India loss another match |
| 03:26 | richard | yep |
| 03:55 | chris | http://opensource.califa.org/ |
| 03:55 | anyone ever heard of these guys? | |
| 03:58 | richard | interesting |
| 03:59 | chris | yeah, first ive seen of them |
| 04:05 | mason | hi folks |
| 04:06 | richard | hey mason |
| 04:06 | chris | heya mason |
| 04:07 | Amit | heya mason |
| 04:07 | mason | me+++ |
| 04:16 | brendan | hey mason |
| 04:16 | mason | heya brendan, looong time no chat |
| 04:16 | brendan | ha - can you self karma ? |
| 04:16 | mason | mason++ |
| 04:16 | munin | mason: Error: You're not allowed to adjust your own karma. |
| 04:16 | brendan | never even thought to ask that |
| 04:16 | mason | brendan++ |
| 04:16 | brendan | there you go |
| 04:16 | mason ++ | |
| 04:16 | mason | aaaw, thanx |
| 04:17 | chris | no space brendan, or it doesnt count :) |
| 04:17 | brendan | mason++ |
| 04:17 | thanks | |
| 04:29 | chris | right time to start figuring out something for dinner |
| 04:54 | brendan | good night #koha -- early night for me :) |
| 05:03 | Amit | night brendan |
| 05:12 | |Lupin| | hi |
| 05:44 | Amit | hi Lupin |
| 05:45 | |Lupin| | hey Amit |
| 05:45 | Amit: you live in Delhi ? | |
| 05:45 | Amit | no i m in bangalore |
| 05:46 | |Lupin| | Amit: ah okay. This is in India, right ? |
| 05:48 | Amit | yes |
| 05:50 | |Lupin| | hi laurence |
| 05:50 | laurence | hello |Lupin| |
| 05:52 | Amit | hi laurence |
| 05:52 | Jo | woo hoo! Presenting Koha 3.0 at the LIANZA conf in NZ in Nov |
| 05:52 | Amit | hi jo |
| 05:52 | Jo | Hi AMit |
| 05:52 | How are things with you | |
| 05:52 | Amit | every thing is fine here |
| 05:52 | u tell Jo | |
| 05:54 | hi greenmang0 | |
| 05:56 | Jo | might have to talk to Zeno about the very cute web 2.0 stuff he knows about |
| 06:09 | Amit | hi hdl |
| 06:20 | chris | heh |
| 06:20 | i called it | |
| 06:21 | Amit | hi nicomo |
| 06:22 | nicomo | hi all |
| 06:22 | hi Amit | |
| 06:23 | chris | http://tinyurl.com/mksgf5 |
| 06:23 | greenmang0 | Amit: |
| 06:23 | chris | and now |
| 06:23 | Amit | hi greenman0 |
| 06:24 | chris | Health officials say it may not be long before they give up trying to contain the virus and move instead into managing it. |
| 06:25 | i should by a lotto ticket | |
| 06:27 | Amit | chris: 31 swine flu cases in india |
| 06:28 | chris | we are up to 100+ here |
| 06:28 | so far it seems like a mild form of the flu | |
| 06:28 | that spreads fast | |
| 06:28 | (altho since its the first flu they have ever really tracked from the start there is nothing to compare it with) | |
| 07:03 | hdl_laptop | chris: is nicolas registered user for french on Pootle ? |
| 07:03 | chris | hi kf and paul_p |
| 07:03 | hdl_laptop | hi kf |
| 07:04 | chris | lemme check |
| 07:04 | nope just you | |
| 07:05 | he has now | |
| 07:05 | hdl_laptop | could you add him ? |
| 07:05 | thanks. | |
| 07:05 | Is there no way for a registered user to add another one ? | |
| 07:06 | chris | yep you had the rights to do that |
| 07:06 | http://translate.koha.org/fr/opac3_0/admin.html | |
| 07:06 | can you see that page (need to be logged in) | |
| 07:24 | kf | good morning :) |
| 07:30 | hdl_laptop | chris: I can. Is there anything to do for Pascale ebegin and another Southern person ? |
| 07:30 | chris | if you want to add them you can on that page |
| 07:30 | you choose them from the drop down, then select their permissions on the right | |
| 07:33 | (those are the users who have chosen french as their language) | |
| 07:33 | once a user does that, we can then assign them some permissions | |
| 07:40 | atz | how awesome is this... http://www.facebook.com/ext/sh[…]sb&u=8D9L8&ref=nf |
| 07:41 | sorry.... | |
| 07:41 | http://www.elevenwarriors.com/[…]be-televised.html | |
| 07:41 | ohio state guy in the middle of the democratic protests in tehran | |
| 07:42 | chris | that is awesome, on so many levels :) |
| 07:43 | late night atz ? | |
| 07:43 | or super early morning | |
| 07:43 | atz | yeah, heading to bed now |
| 07:43 | fell asleep on the couch | |
| 07:43 | chris | ahh :) |
| 08:58 | hi |Lupin| | |
| 09:06 | |Lupin| | hi chris |
| 09:37 | is it really true that an ISBN is not a unique identifier ? Are there examples of books that are completely different and still have the same ISBN ? | |
| 09:45 | Elwell | |Lupin|: yep - I've seen US vs Europe have different books from same publisher |
| 09:46 | can't bring up an example now, but I discovered it when doing book lookup via ISBN for a bookseller DB | |
| 09:48 | chris | they also ran out of numbers |
| 09:48 | hence now its 13 | |
| 09:49 | but while it was still 10, the publishers decided to reuse some | |
| 09:49 | Elwell | chris: I thought the move to 13 was to save doing the conversion from raw ISBN to barcode |
| 09:49 | ie, change prefix and checksum | |
| 09:50 | 978 is 'bookland' country of origin IIRC | |
| 09:50 | but hey, I'm only a geek not a librarian :-) | |
| 09:51 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B[…](imaginary_place) | |
| 09:53 | kf | different editions can also have the same ISBN |
| 09:54 | |Lupin| | okay guys, thanks a lot ! |
| 09:55 | chris | Elwell: yeah 978 is for those that had an ISBN 10 already |
| 09:55 | This change is happening for the following reasons: | |
| 09:55 | to expand the numbering capacity of the ISBN system and alleviate numbering shortages in certain areas of the world; | |
| 09:55 | to fully align the numbering system for books with the global EAN.UCC identification system that is widely used to identify most other consumer goods worldwide. | |
| 09:56 | |Lupin| | hmm I wasn't aware of this one... |
| 09:56 | chris | |Lupin|: most national librarys act as duplicate clearing houses and report any they find |
| 09:58 | |Lupin| | chris: not sure I understand what you say correctly... you mean that it is not unusual to get several results for an ISBN search done at a national library ? |
| 09:58 | chris | it is unusual |
| 09:58 | but sometimes happens | |
| 09:59 | |Lupin| | I see |
| 09:59 | chris | not at a national library usually |
| 09:59 | more likely to happen when you are searching multiple sources | |
| 09:59 | for eg, if i search Library of congress and BNF | |
| 10:00 | i might find 2 items with the same isbn | |
| 10:00 | |Lupin| | chris: if an ISBN search returns only one result, how trustworthy do you hink this result is ? can one be sure that this single result corresponds to the expected book ? |
| 10:00 | chris | you cant be sure |
| 10:00 | |Lupin| | could you give a probability ? |
| 10:00 | chris | but you can assume with a high degree of probability that it is |
| 10:01 | |Lupin| | yes, that's what I thought |
| 10:01 | chris | you would need to ask a librarian |
| 10:01 | :) | |
| 10:01 | |Lupin| | okay |
| 10:01 | chris | i know that librarything gets isbn collisions every so often |
| 10:02 | but in that case, there might be typo's involved also | |
| 10:02 | |Lupin| | librarything ? |
| 10:03 | chris | http://www.librarything.com/ |
| 10:03 | i dont use it, but its pretty popular in the US | |
| 10:04 | |Lupin| | ok |
| 10:05 | I am currently trying to talk to the Z3950 server of the national library here in France | |
| 10:05 | it is terrible | |
| 10:05 | I think I tried 50 times in 24 hours | |
| 10:05 | and only one or two connections where successful | |
| 10:08 | nicomo | |Lupin|: yep, at BnF their server is basically broken |
| 10:08 | if it's for testing purposes and you ant unimarc records | |
| 10:08 | i suggest you try sudoc at | |
| 10:09 | carmin.sudoc.abes.fr:10646 | |
| 10:09 | |Lupin| | nicomo: thanks |
| 10:09 | nicomo | databse name : abes-z39-public |
| 10:09 | |Lupin| | nicomo: actually it's not for testing |
| 10:09 | our library has around 5000 records | |
| 10:09 | but very incomplete | |
| 10:09 | no classification information | |
| 10:10 | and now we would like to create a real catalogue | |
| 10:10 | so the idea was to gather all the ISBns of the books we have and download the corresponding records from the BnF | |
| 10:10 | nicomo: but if you have an idea for an alternative strategy, it'd be very appreciated | |
| 10:11 | chris | |Lupin|: is there a chance you can send the ISBN's to BnF |
| 10:11 | and they send back the MARC | |
| 10:11 | thats what HLT did with the National Library here in NZ | |
| 10:11 | was more efficient than doing 75,000 searches against there z3950 server | |
| 10:11 | |Lupin| | chris: I don't know. I'll have to ask them |
| 10:11 | chris | there=their |
| 10:12 | |Lupin| | sure |
| 10:12 | that would be very cool actually | |
| 10:12 | nicomo | chris: the french National library doesn't provide that type of service |
| 10:12 | chris | that's a shame |
| 10:12 | |Lupin| | nicomo: even to another library ? |
| 10:12 | nicomo | to tell you the truth I sometimes wonder what service they do provide |
| 10:12 | chris | heh |
| 10:13 | nicomo | |Lupin|: yes, even to another library |
| 10:13 | |Lupin| | it would be funny, wouldn't it be so sad at the same time |
| 10:13 | nicomo | what they can do is give you a copy of their catalog |
| 10:13 | the whole mess of it | |
| 10:13 | |Lupin| | hmm that wold be cool also ! |
| 10:13 | how big is it ? | |
| 10:14 | nicomo | about 13 million records i think |
| 10:14 | |Lupin| | I mean in Ggigabytes...:) |
| 10:14 | Elwell | When coding a system for a 2nd hand bookseller, I found the best validation was by checking against copac.ac.uk z39.50 |
| 10:15 | nicomo | Elwell: yes, but they won't provide unimarc records, probably |
| 10:15 | |Lupin| | Elwell: even for books mostly in french ? |
| 10:15 | Elwell | |Lupin|: was UK based |
| 10:15 | |Lupin| | Elwell: and also, it is not only for validation, we want to get the classification data |
| 10:15 | Elwell | http://copac.ac.uk/interfaces/z39.50/ |
| 10:16 | There are no plans to deliver MARC records as part of the Copac service | |
| 10:16 | nicomo | ok |
| 10:16 | interesting though | |
| 10:16 | well, that being said, it's lunch time here | |
| 10:16 | |Lupin| | yep, thanks Elwell |
| 10:16 | nicomo | bon appêtit |
| 10:17 | |Lupin| | pareil nicomo |
| 10:17 | Elwell | (was my 1st foray into z39.50 as abebooks' software was merde at the time. |
| 10:18 | nicomo | Elwell: seems like the most useful french word entered your lexicon first :-) |
| 10:18 | |Lupin| | :-) |
| 10:19 | Elwell | nicomo: err, and thats from school too. |
| 10:21 | mais, vous et raison, c'est dejeuner | |
| 10:22 | chris | eiro: just answered your email |
| 11:02 | kf | lunch time :) |
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