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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:19 | slef | elwell: hrm, worst I've had is client->client->our-hardware->rackowner->landlord |
| 12:20 | wouldn't really want to be on the bottom of a tree like that, but it takes all sorts | |
| 12:20 | actually, this is us->client->cheap_reseller->??unknown?? | |
| 12:20 | so it could be as bad or worse | |
| 12:47 | kf | nahuel: just saw your patch - renewals in issuing rules is a great feature! My library will be really happy about this. :) |
| 12:47 | nahuel | héhé |
| 12:47 | it's not the end | |
| 12:47 | I'm going to work on reserves in issuing rules | |
| 12:47 | (a little more complicated | |
| 12:47 | )à | |
| 12:54 | kf | yes, I believe thats really difficult, but I think it will be a great plus for Koha in the end |
| 12:55 | testing "fine days" now :) | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | @wunder lawrence, ks |
| 14:33 | munin | wizzyrea: The current temperature in Channel 6 Downtown, Lawrence, Kansas is 18.2°C (9:33 AM CDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 92%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.81 in 1009.4 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | hey that's neat |
| 14:34 | ebegin | cool... does this work only with US cities? |
| 14:34 | @wunder montreal, qc | |
| 14:34 | munin | ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:34 | ebegin | no such location could be found :) |
| 14:34 | gmcharlt | @wunder montreal |
| 14:35 | munin | gmcharlt: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt | @wunder montreal, quebec |
| 14:35 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in Montreal, Quebec is 15.0°C (10:00 AM EDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Light Rain Showers. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 12.0°C. Pressure: 29.96 in 1014 hPa (Rising). |
| 14:35 | ebegin | Cool :) |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt | @wunder cmh |
| 14:35 | munin | gmcharlt: The current temperature in Columbus, Ohio is 21.0°C (9:51 AM EDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 76%. Dew Point: 17.0°C. Pressure: 29.88 in 1012 hPa (Falling). |
| 14:35 | ebegin | @wunder montreal, pq |
| 14:35 | munin | ebegin: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | @gcalc 21 C in F |
| 14:36 | munin | gmcharlt: I suck |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | @gcalc 21.0 C in F |
| 14:36 | munin | gmcharlt: downloading the Perl source |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | @google calc 21.0 C in F |
| 14:36 | munin | gmcharlt: 21.0 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit |
| 14:36 | ebegin | hehe... |
| 14:36 | gmcharlt | @alias gcalc Google calc $* |
| 14:36 | munin | gmcharlt: I suck |
| 14:37 | gmcharlt | @alias add gcalc Google calc $* |
| 14:37 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. |
| 14:37 | gmcharlt | @gcalc 21.0 C in F |
| 14:37 | munin | gmcharlt: 21.0 degrees Celsius = 69.8 degrees Fahrenheit |
| 14:37 | gmcharlt | @dunno add I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 14:37 | munin | gmcharlt: The operation succeeded. Dunno #4 added. |
| 14:42 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: munin must be one of your more amusing projects |
| 14:42 | i'm using supybot on kohakansas for logging... I named it PaulBunyan | |
| 14:42 | I lol'd | |
| 14:42 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea++ |
| 14:46 | elwell | @quote random |
| 14:46 | munin | elwell: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009) |
| 14:48 | elwell | meh, it should just pull a random (non blank) line of source code and see if we recognise it |
| 14:48 | or of course we could do some real work :-/ | |
| 14:53 | gmcharlt | elwell: it's a supybot, so feel free to write a plugin :) |
| 15:09 | ryan | @list bugzilla |
| 15:09 | munin | ryan: add, attachment, bug, and query |
| 15:11 | kf | or a random bug to fix |
| 15:11 | ryan | @bug 2655 |
| 15:11 | munin | ryan: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2655 major, P2, ---, jmfliblime.com, REOPENED, Items waiting on the hold shelf display as "Available" in OPAC |
| 15:14 | wizzyrea | ryan: are you working on that? |
| 15:16 | or was that a test of the random stuff | |
| 15:31 | nahuel | YEAH ! |
| 15:31 | we win | |
| 15:31 | the french law against illegal downloading and privacy life ! | |
| 15:33 | wizzyrea | nahuel: Nice! |
| 15:34 | nahuel | :p |
| 15:35 | ryan | wizzyrea: just testing |
| 18:21 | wizzyrea | if you are iterested, there is a kegger meeting going on at the state lib of kansas wimba room at http://webj.wimba.com/launcher[…]i?room=ks_adastra log in as participant |
| 18:25 | chris | morning |
| 18:26 | slef | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrragh |
| 18:26 | pianohacker | mornin' |
| 18:26 | chris | whoa, nice welcome slef :) |
| 18:26 | slef | "your .htaccess file may have been removed as part of hosting accounts being cleaned one by one to remove all traces of the malware attack that our systems have suffered" |
| 18:27 | sorry, I'm beside myself with rage at this hosting provider | |
| 18:27 | like they sent me the above | |
| 18:27 | chris | ohh, thats a very clownish thing to do |
| 18:27 | pianohacker | Ahh, the joys of shared hosting |
| 18:28 | slef | so did our htaccess file contain malware (=> we need to review our systems more closely) or not? |
| 18:28 | chris | 'we have no idea what we are doing, here lemme start deleting stuff, that will fix it' |
| 18:28 | slef | yeah, I know exactly what company is behind this |
| 18:28 | chris | wimba hates me wizzyrea |
| 18:28 | slef | ultimately, it's the DirectI/PDR/LogicBoxes confusopoly |
| 18:28 | chris | hates me and my lack of java |
| 18:29 | slef | java-- |
| 18:30 | it also whinges about not being allowed pop-up windows | |
| 18:30 | chris | the_island_of_java_not_the_programming_language++ |
| 18:30 | slef | heh I have Java installed but it doesn't detect it |
| 18:30 | bad code | |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | aw, that's ot cool |
| 18:30 | pianohacker | wimba-- |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | stupid wimba |
| 18:30 | slef | so let's try starting it anyway |
| 18:30 | wizzyrea | it's not really my platform of choice |
| 18:30 | pianohacker | I remember fighting that tool for several hours just trying to get it to connect, let alone work |
| 18:31 | chris | webinar software seems like a problem no one has solved well yet |
| 18:31 | wizzyrea | omg, don't even get me started... between wimba and OPAL |
| 18:31 | ./wrist | |
| 18:31 | slef | chris++ |
| 18:31 | http://www.generatesuccess.co.[…]online-courses/46 | |
| 18:32 | that's not a webinar, it's a limited-platform java application pretending to be one | |
| 18:32 | anyway, let me email this rant back at the ISP | |
| 18:32 | chris | :) |
| 18:33 | i have someone yelling 'daddy' | |
| 18:33 | but its only 6.34am | |
| 18:33 | do i go get him up, and possibly set a trend .. or leave him yelling and wake the baby? | |
| 18:33 | slef | plastic baggie over the head? |
| 18:33 | soundproof box? | |
| 18:33 | chris | that may have been alright in the 50's |
| 18:34 | but they frown on that now :) | |
| 18:34 | slef | damn Human Rights Acts and political correctness, eh? |
| 18:34 | chris | hehe |
| 18:35 | slef | erm, voicemail from PTFS US. Wasn't my "drop your threat or talk to our lawyers" message clear enough? |
| 18:35 | time to email them again... ho hum | |
| 18:35 | wizzyrea | whoa what happened now?1 |
| 18:35 | ! | |
| 18:35 | slef | wizzyrea: nah, this is old stuff |
| 18:36 | wizzyrea | slef: oic |
| 18:36 | whew | |
| 18:36 | slef | wizzyrea: off-list fall-out from that January news release |
| 18:36 | don't know about other signatories, but I'm tired of it all | |
| 18:36 | chris | yeah legal threats might have been alright in the 50's but we frown on that now |
| 18:36 | slef | hehehe |
| 18:37 | flogging dead horses might have been alright in the 50's but we frown on that now | |
| 18:37 | chris | lol |
| 18:37 | slef | pianohacker: I'm getting it on at least three fronts this week. Expect much ranting and too little code from me :( |
| 18:38 | I want to build stuff | |
| 18:38 | I don't want people to steal it | |
| 18:38 | I don't want to battle awkward service providers | |
| 18:38 | I don't want to be in court | |
| 18:38 | that pretty much covers my ambitions just now | |
| 18:41 | wizzyrea | slef: oh right, I remember this. |
| 18:41 | lawsuits-- | |
| 18:44 | BrianT | anyone want to answer some noob questions? |
| 18:45 | pianohacker | BrianT: Sure, what's up? |
| 18:46 | slef | please! any distraction from this! |
| 18:46 | BrianT | well I'm following Andy Giesler's tutorial on setting up Koha, I am up to the point of being able to log in to the staff interface, but when I try to add patrons it says patron doesn't exist |
| 18:47 | wizzyrea | have you defined patron types? |
| 18:47 | pianohacker | Hmm. That happens when you click on the Add Patron button? |
| 18:47 | slef | Andy Giesler's tutorial on setting up Koha? |
| 18:47 | BrianT | I'm using the sample patron types and I tried under staff, board, and library |
| 18:47 | http://www.blazingmoon.org/gui[…]k3-on-u810-8.html | |
| 18:48 | link is the tutorial | |
| 18:48 | wizzyrea | you have javascript turned on in your browser? (stab in dark) |
| 18:49 | slef | so what URL do you try to add patrons at and what do you click to do it and exactly what text does it reply with,please? |
| 18:49 | BrianT | http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/[…]p;categorycode=PT |
| 18:50 | url for adding patrons | |
| 18:51 | so I fill in the fields that are required and then click save | |
| 18:52 | then I get http://127.0.1.1:8080/cgi-bin/[…]?borrowernumber=0 | |
| 18:52 | This patron does not exist | |
| 18:52 | slef | I remember something about borrowernumber=0 |
| 18:52 | searching | |
| 18:53 | paul_p said "if you log in with the mySQL login/password, you are borrowernumber=0, and many features don't work" | |
| 18:53 | not quite the same | |
| 18:54 | wizzyrea | hm, but he can't seem to add another patron to make his superlibrarian |
| 18:54 | slef | this looks like the database isn't working right |
| 18:54 | because it's returning 0 as mysql_insert_id | |
| 18:54 | BrianT | doh |
| 18:55 | slef | wizzyrea: yes, it's not this problem |
| 18:55 | need to create a user | |
| 18:55 | BrianT: does the koha ... no, that won't work | |
| 18:55 | hrrrrm | |
| 18:56 | looking at the tutorial again | |
| 18:57 | chris | still at the airport gmcharlt ? |
| 18:57 | gmcharlt | chris: no, on the airplane |
| 18:57 | inflight wifi | |
| 18:57 | BrianT | nice |
| 18:57 | chris | ohh look at you mr fancy pants |
| 18:57 | slef | gmcharlt: can you read the last 20 minutes IRC log please? |
| 18:57 | chris | :) |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | slef: looking |
| 18:58 | slef | I'm sure I remember something about borrowernumber=0 but I can't find it |
| 18:58 | user problem | |
| 18:58 | if it's not too expensive for you :) | |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | flat fee for flight, so I'm not paying by the bit ;) |
| 18:58 | slef | is that satellite or what? |
| 18:59 | I can't even get stable internet from uktrain - although the spanish AVE worked well at 300kph | |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | slef: not sure - provided by aircell.com, but website didn't immediately say how they're doing it |
| 19:01 | slef | BrianT: any problems installing the database? |
| 19:01 | gmcharlt | slef: looks like terrestial, not sat |
| 19:01 | BrianT | not that I know of |
| 19:02 | I could try installing it again though | |
| 19:02 | pianohacker | BrianT: If you run DESCRIBE borrowers, does the borrowernumber line have AUTO_INCREMENT on it? |
| 19:02 | slef | can you open it in mysql or phpmyadmin? |
| 19:02 | then look at the borrowers table like pianohacker suggests :) | |
| 19:03 | chris | id check the apache error log too |
| 19:03 | see if there is an error being thrown | |
| 19:03 | slef | good move - look near the end of koha-error_log |
| 19:04 | BrianT | I'm still getting used to Webmin (yes I know, I have gui guilt) can I search for it that way? |
| 19:05 | slef | I don't know webmin. Can you get mysql open that way? |
| 19:05 | However you do it, you want to look at the properties of the borrowernumber field in the borrowers table/relation | |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt: can you remember what causes borrowernumber=0? | |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | slef: been a while since I've seen it - problem with autoincrement would be my first guess |
| 19:07 | slef | @bbc5live football commentary "I don't know what the point is of Andorra" |
| 19:07 | munin | slef: downloading the Perl source |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | webmin = servers -> mysql -> open the koha db |
| 19:07 | BrianT | yes I can go through webmin |
| 19:07 | wizzyrea | then show tables |
| 19:08 | pianohacker | wizzyrea++, I don't have any experience with webmin |
| 19:08 | wizzyrea | it gives me gui guilt as well |
| 19:08 | i really needed it a couple of years ago, before I learned the command line tools | |
| 19:09 | but haven't needed it much lately | |
| 19:09 | sometimes it's super useful, however | |
| 19:09 | BrianT | I don't see a show tables option |
| 19:10 | wizzyrea | 1s, I'll try to get a screenshot |
| 19:10 | gmcharlt | if webmin has a file browser, may be able to look at the Apache logs as well |
| 19:10 | slef | hey, I use control panels a lot... just not webmin because it doesn't seem to make life much easier :) |
| 19:10 | BrianT | :) |
| 19:10 | I don't see any tables listed should there be? | |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | so you've selected the db |
| 19:11 | do you see the lil green folders? | |
| 19:11 | BrianT | yes I'm inside koha |
| 19:11 | slef | moving to laptop biab |
| 19:11 | wizzyrea | do you see the borrowers table? |
| 19:11 | folder = table | |
| 19:12 | BrianT | I can even get to borrowernumber under dropdown |
| 19:12 | default value is set to null | |
| 19:13 | correction in borrower_attributes | |
| 19:14 | slef | wrong one |
| 19:14 | BrianT | ah |
| 19:14 | slef | you are in a mazy of twisty tables, all slightly different |
| 19:14 | need to be in borrowers and check borrowernumber there | |
| 19:14 | see if it says auto_increment | |
| 19:14 | or something like that | |
| 19:15 | BrianT | oh and I just read too many tables to display so I need to search |
| 19:15 | ok | |
| 19:15 | yes it does | |
| 19:17 | wizzyrea | (this is where I get fuzzy, i dont' know the koha innards that well, not as well as others here) |
| 19:17 | BrianT | I can do some reading on the autoincriment, thanks |
| 19:18 | pianohacker | If the database is set up correctly, then it's probably a problem elsewhere; do you know where the Koha error log is? |
| 19:18 | BrianT | no |
| 19:18 | pianohacker | Let me see where your tutorial would have put it |
| 19:21 | Hmm, if I'm understanding this correctly, it should be under /var/log/koha/; do you have a file browser in webmin ? | |
| 19:22 | BrianT | no but I think I can get there with the terminal |
| 19:25 | oooooooooooookkkkkkk lots of errors | |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | BrianT: cool, copy the last 50 lines or so into pastebin.com and give us the URL it spits back |
| 19:26 | BrianT | k just sec |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | well, not cool that there are errors, but we'll fix those ... you know what I mean ;) |
| 19:28 | BrianT | http://pastebin.com/d362cf138 |
| 19:28 | first time to use pastebin. . . I like :) | |
| 19:28 | pianohacker | Ahh, there's the ticket. For some reason, the patron's home branch is not set in the borrower addition screen |
| 19:29 | Most of the rest is just search debugging info that really ought to be cleaned up | |
| 19:29 | wizzyrea | oh, right, you have to set up a library before you can add patrons |
| 19:29 | BrianT | ah that must be the reason I'm getting a null drop down box for branch in several places |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | BrianT: exactly |
| 19:30 | BrianT | is that within koha or done at install? |
| 19:30 | wizzyrea | depends, did you install the demo libraries? |
| 19:30 | if not, it's in the administration area | |
| 19:30 | pianohacker | Yup. There's some sample data in the Koha installation directory you can load in (under installer/data/mysql/en/optional/, it's just SQL you can copy and run), or you can just add some libraries under Administration |
| 19:31 | BrianT | the one option I didn' |
| 19:31 | install because I'm a single branch | |
| 19:32 | got it thanks guys-- | |
| 19:32 | pianohacker | BrianT: Then all you have to do is add one branch under Administration (with a branchcode of MAIN or something similar) |
| 19:33 | BrianT | yep-- ok, I have definitely been skooled ;) |
| 19:33 | pianohacker | @karma yep |
| 19:33 | munin | pianohacker: Karma for "yep" has been increased 0 times and decreased 1 time for a total karma of -1. |
| 19:34 | pianohacker | :) |
| 19:34 | BrianT | heh |
| 19:36 | pianohacker | Anything else we can help with? |
| 19:36 | BrianT | Anything I can do for you guys? thank-you-- I can give, pay it forward, etc? |
| 19:37 | gmcharlt | BrianT: pay it forward |
| 19:37 | pianohacker | i.e., stay up late and answer questions from people in far-off time zones |
| 19:38 | chris | heh |
| 19:38 | BrianT | hehe |
| 19:38 | thanks again | |
| 19:46 | rhcl | Ah, this must have been what nahuel was talking about earlier. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06[…]html?ref=business |
| 19:47 | chris | nice work slef, wizzyrea, gmcharlt and pianohacker |
| 19:47 | team_koha++ | |
| 19:48 | ohh that is good news rhcl | |
| 19:48 | thats nz and france now, that the RIAA and its cronies have been defeated | |
| 19:48 | wonder where they will try next | |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | try to turn the thumbscrews even tighter in the US, I wouldn't wonder |
| 19:51 | rhcl | It's my sense that the tide, however slight, is against them. |
| 19:51 | chris | i hope you are right |
| 19:52 | i think they fit the dead white males tag quite well | |
| 19:52 | and hopefully the tide is against them the world over :) | |
| 19:54 | rhcl | You know, I just don't think the RIAA fought this war very smartly. They have come across as the bad guy, when they probably could have achieved some of their goals in a much more consumer-friendly way. |
| 19:54 | gmcharlt | ecorrado++ # wiki updates |
| 19:55 | chris | rhcl: you are very right |
| 19:55 | ohhh | |
| 19:55 | gmcharlt | plane landing, time to power off |
| 19:56 | chris | ecorrado++ |
| 19:56 | wifi_on_planes++ | |
| 20:10 | wizzyrea | koha really ought to spit back "you need to set up a library before doing this" when a situation like BrianT's comes up |
| 20:15 | ryan | wizzyrea: agreed -- if there's not already a bug for that, it'd be good to have one. |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | i'll look and see |
| 20:18 | jmr | Hello from PTFS |
| 20:18 | wizzyrea | if there's a bug |
| 20:18 | hiya | |
| 20:18 | chris | hiya jmr |
| 20:18 | jmr | I need to address something that was just said on this listserv in absolute error, about pTFS |
| 20:18 | chris | you just missed jwagner |
| 20:19 | atz | wizzyrea: there's just too many places that depend on branch existing |
| 20:19 | jmr | Bottom line my understanding, which could be incorretc is that we were accused of making legal threats |
| 20:19 | wizzyrea | atz: welp... i guess that's why we have many eyes on it :P |
| 20:19 | chris | we should do nicer error messages in general tho, we fail silently a bit to much eh? |
| 20:20 | wizzyrea | but I can appreciate that it's a lot to fix |
| 20:20 | chris | jmr: you will need to talk to slef about that, but i think he will be asleep by now |
| 20:20 | or at least not at his keyboard anymore | |
| 20:20 | atz | jmr: i haven't seen any such message |
| 20:20 | jmr | ok, just to be clear that is not the case - just the opposite. Thaks |
| 20:26 | brendan | @wunder my office |
| 20:26 | munin | brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 20:26 | brendan | munin - it's right here I swear |
| 20:26 | munin | brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 20:28 | chris | @wunder wellington |
| 20:28 | munin | chris: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 20:28 | chris | @wunder wellington, new zealand |
| 20:28 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Wellington, New Zealand is 14.0°C (8:00 AM NZST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 82%. Dew Point: 11.0°C. Pressure: 30.04 in 1017 hPa (Rising). |
| 20:28 | brendan | @wunder 93117 |
| 20:28 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Northwest Goleta, Goleta, California is 21.5°C (1:26 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Overcast. Humidity: 58%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.97 in 1014.8 hPa (Steady). |
| 20:28 | brendan | won that one chris |
| 20:30 | chris | :) |
| 20:30 | sounds much more pleasant where you are | |
| 20:31 | richard | hi |
| 20:32 | wizzyrea | hallo richard |
| 20:36 | chris | hey richard :) |
| 20:51 | Sharon | Jo Liz is loving your catalog interface |
| 20:51 | not that we're peaking or anything | |
| 20:52 | wizzyrea | peeking* |
| 21:03 | Jo | morning all |
| 21:04 | can anyone point me to where abouts in 2.2.9 I can set authories or permissions for workers | |
| 21:05 | chris | got to the member page |
| 21:05 | 2 secs jo ill find you the url | |
| 21:05 | Jo | thansk Chris. |
| 21:07 | i've got 2 workers: 1 who can access acquisitions, and 1 who can't ... odd | |
| 21:07 | chris | its called modify users flags for some reason :) |
| 21:07 | Jo | ah cool - i saw that ... |
| 21:07 | didn't think it was that though :) | |
| 21:07 | chris | yep thats the one |
| 21:07 | Jo | great. |
| 21:08 | i knew it was there somewhere .. | |
| 21:08 | hows the whanau? | |
| 21:08 | chris | kahu is engrossed in 'in the night garden' the other 2 havent surfaced yet |
| 21:08 | Jo | sounds like you are really having a lovely month together .. so pleased for you all. |
| 21:09 | seems i have to grant suyper user privleges .. can't isolate tojust catalogue and acquaisitions. | |
| 21:10 | chris | yeah thats fixed in 3.0 .. and fixed even better in 3.2 (Thanks to atz) |
| 21:10 | Jo | ok thats ok. i'm trying to set up a card for our supplier so they can add orders and check the issue counts for stats etc. |
| 21:11 | ok - got it. | |
| 21:11 | thanks Chris. | |
| 21:28 | wizzyrea | is there a better license than creative commons for koha documentation? |
| 21:28 | (i'm sure there are opinions here... and I'm preparing to duck) | |
| 21:28 | chris | ahh we talked about this for the wiki 2 secs |
| 21:29 | wizzyrea | I was going to do CC BY-NC-SA |
| 21:29 | attribute:non-commercial:share-alike | |
| 21:30 | chris | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=relicensing |
| 21:31 | wizzyrea | Ohhh yea |
| 21:31 | hmm | |
| 21:31 | hehe, someone in #kohakansas just suggested setting up a bot to answer common koha questions | |
| 21:31 | like "I've just installed, but searching doesn't work" | |
| 21:33 | well I probably should license it with the GPL | |
| 21:33 | considering | |
| 21:43 | Think I'll use GNU FDL (free documentation license) | |
| 21:53 | chris | someone didnt like that, and i cant remember why |
| 21:54 | wizzyrea | bah, well if something better or different comes up, I'll change it |
| 21:54 | but my brain's not big enough to see a problem with it | |
| 21:54 | so it stays for now | |
| 22:04 | chris | ttp://lists.katipo.co.nz/public/koha/2009-May/018246.html |
| 22:05 | http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]9-May/018246.html | |
| 22:05 | even | |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | but they don't say what the problems *are* |
| 22:06 | chris | yeah |
| 22:06 | wizzyrea | it's all well and good to say "no, that's not compatible" but you have to say WHY |
| 22:06 | to convince me, anyway | |
| 22:06 | chris | yep |
| 22:07 | wizzyrea | ultimately I"ll probably change it to gpl, just to be compatible |
| 22:07 | but, it's time to pick up spud | |
| 22:07 | so ttyl | |
| 22:07 | :) | |
| 22:07 | chris | cya later |
| 23:16 | mugwump | hi, I've got a problem with my koha instance, for some reason no searches are working - eg, following the "Author" link from a link doesn't work. |
| 23:16 | I traced the database statements, and no search commands were issued | |
| 23:19 | (what I mean is I didn't see my search terms in the issued SQL) | |
| 23:20 | slef | mugwump: zebra or NoZebra installation? |
| 23:20 | mugwump | that's an interesting lead |
| 23:21 | I need to update zebra huh | |
| 23:21 | slef | just if it's a zebra-using koha, you won't see search terms in the issued SQL |
| 23:21 | mugwump | indeed |
| 23:21 | slef | because they'll be sent to zebra |
| 23:21 | try searching your zebra with yaz-client | |
| 23:22 | I emailed some notes on how to a month or so ago | |
| 23:22 | I think it's start yaz-client, then auth username password, then open localhost:9990, then f searchterm | |
| 23:22 | but I'm not at work just now | |
| 23:22 | mugwump | hmm, no zebra daemon running |
| 23:22 | slef | that'd break stuff |
| 23:23 | mugwump | silently, in this case |
| 23:23 | slef | yeah, I'm a bit surprised about this, but I've seen it on other servers |
| 23:23 | koha should die screaming if zebra isn't answering when it should be | |
| 23:23 | mugwump | sorry for asking simple questions, I'm a substitute admin ... how's it normally started in a typical installation? no rc script here |
| 23:24 | slef | as a temporary fix, zebrasrv -f /etc/koha-conf.xml (or whatever your KOHA_CONF is) |
| 23:24 | I think | |
| 23:24 | again, I'm not at work just now | |
| 23:24 | only popped in to shut down my workstation | |
| 23:25 | hehe | |
| 23:25 | mugwump | thanks, that's a massive help :) |
| 23:26 | slef | wizzyrea_away: http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/fdl |
| 23:28 | chris | mugwump: im on leave at home at the moment or id come down and give you a hand :) |
| 23:28 | mugwump | chris: come down? I'm UP |
| 23:28 | top of Mt Vic :) | |
| 23:29 | chris | ahh, i mean level 2 or 3 or wherever you normally sit :) |
| 23:29 | mugwump | :) |
| 23:29 | hmm I need to run zebraidx... it's not as simple as starting the server | |
| 23:30 | slef | look in the README for reindex |
| 23:30 | there's a perl script to help | |
| 23:30 | or maybe the INSTALL | |
| 23:30 | I'm tiiiired | |
| 23:30 | chris | rebuild_zebra.pl is the one |
| 23:30 | checkout INSTALL.debian | |
| 23:31 | slef | rebuild not reindex, right |
| 23:32 | chris | :) |
| 23:35 | mugwump | alrighty ... search results returned |
| 23:36 | chris | sweet |
| 23:36 | what version are you running mugwump? | |
| 23:40 | ok, me has to head out | |
| 23:44 | mugwump | 3.0.0-beta |
| 23:45 | oh, actually the tarball doesn't think it was a beta, but the readme did | |
| 23:45 | strange, the zebra running from the init script doesn't seem to work. running it as root did... hmm | |
| 23:47 | ah, looks like a simple issue | |
| 23:51 | mason | prolly user-permission related... |
| 23:52 | ie: only 'koha' user has access perms to the *.db files | |
| 23:53 | mugwump | yeah, because I ran them as root... fixed :) |
| 23:53 | mason | yeah, a common mistake by me too ;) |
| 23:53 | mugwump | I guess I should test the queue daemon ... eg adding an item and check it shows in searched |
| 00:07 | mason | mugwump: gimme a ping if you need a hand... |
| 02:41 | slef | I'll buy you a diamond ring my friend if it makes you feel alright. I'll get you anything my friend if it makes you feel alright 'Cause I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love. |
| 02:41 | I'll give you all I got to give if you say you love me too. I may not have a lot to give but what I got I'll give to you. I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love | |
| 02:41 | Say you don't need no diamond ring and I'll be satisfied. Tell me that you want the kind of thing that money just can't buy. I don't care too much for money, money can't buy me love. | |
| 04:30 | brendan | @wunder 93103 |
| 04:30 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 15.2°C (9:30 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:31 | brendan | @wunder 93103 tomorrow |
| 04:31 | munin | brendan: The current temperature in Upper Riviera - Camino Alto, Santa Barbara, California is 15.2°C (9:30 PM PDT on June 10, 2009). Conditions: Clear. Humidity: 87%. Dew Point: 13.0°C. Pressure: 29.89 in 1012.1 hPa (Rising). |
| 04:45 | mason | @wunder porpoise spit |
| 04:45 | munin | mason: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 04:51 | richard | heh |
| 04:57 | brendan | heya mason -- hello richard |
| 04:57 | richard | hi brendan |
| 04:58 | brendan | munin although you are useful sometimes -- you're like a vulcan -- no idea of humor |
| 04:58 | munin | brendan: I'll give you the answer as soon as RDA is ready |
| 05:09 | chris | evening |
| 05:10 | brendan | evening chris |
| 05:10 | munin -- you awake? | |
| 05:10 | munin | brendan: I suck |
| 05:26 | brendan | munin help |
| 05:26 | munin | brendan: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 05:26 | chris | @karma |
| 05:26 | munin | chris: Highest karma: "paul_p" (50), "hdl_laptop" (39), and "chris" (29). Lowest karma: "savannah" (-3), "encoding" (-3), and "ie" (-2). You (chris) are ranked 3 out of 237. |
| 05:26 | brendan | chris ++ |
| 05:27 | chris | i dont think it likes spaces |
| 05:27 | @karma brendan | |
| 05:27 | munin | chris: brendan has neutral karma. |
| 05:27 | brendan | munin <command> |
| 05:27 | munin | brendan: downloading the Perl source |
| 05:27 | chris | brendan++ |
| 05:27 | brendan | yeah |
| 05:27 | yay | |
| 05:30 | chris | @quote random |
| 05:30 | munin | chris: Quote #2: "<jwagner> Hope springs eternal in little kitty hearts. Better watch the doors :-)" (added by gmcharlt at 04:04 PM, June 03, 2009) |
| 05:31 | chris | @gcalc 4.28kg in pounds |
| 05:31 | munin | chris: 4.28 kilograms = 9.43578482 pounds |
| 05:32 | mason | @gcalc meaning of life |
| 05:32 | munin | mason: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 05:33 | chris | heh |
| 05:33 | mason | im hoping for an easter-egg somewhere... |
| 05:33 | chris | you should write one :) |
| 05:34 | i think galen was putting the plugins up in a git repo | |
| 05:34 | brendan | mason -- the answer is 42 |
| 05:34 | mason | yeah, i was hoping to get 42 back.. |
| 05:35 | richard | nice toy, that bot |
| 05:35 | cyas | |
| 05:35 | mason | heya folks |
| 05:41 | brendan | @gcalc 93 miles an hour in km |
| 05:41 | munin | brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 05:41 | chris | @gcalc 93 mph in kmph |
| 05:41 | munin | chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 05:41 | chris | @gcalc 93 mph in km |
| 05:42 | munin | chris: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 05:42 | chris | darn |
| 05:42 | @gcalc 1 usd in nzd | |
| 05:42 | munin | chris: 1 U.S. dollar = 1.59693389 New Zealand dollars |
| 05:42 | chris | ohh our dollar must have rallied |
| 05:42 | brendan | @gcalc 93mph |
| 05:42 | munin | brendan: 93 mph = 41.57472 m / s |
| 05:43 | brendan | @gcalc 93mph kmh |
| 05:43 | munin | brendan: Google's calculator didn't come up with anything. |
| 05:43 | brendan | @gcalc 93mph in kilometers per hour |
| 05:43 | munin | brendan: 93 mph = 149.668992 kilometers per hour |
| 05:43 | brendan | yeah munin |
| 05:44 | chris | nice |
| 05:44 | brendan | never give up - never surrender |
| 05:51 | chris | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]-edges-All-Whites <--- what the hell |
| 06:03 | bonjour hdl_laptop | |
| 06:03 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 06:03 | howdy ? | |
| 06:06 | brendan | munin do you have the time ? |
| 06:06 | munin | brendan: I suck |
| 06:07 | brendan | @gclac 11pm PST equals what time UTC |
| 06:07 | munin | brendan: I suck |
| 06:08 | brendan | @quote random |
| 06:08 | munin | brendan: Quote #1: "<pianohacker> resolve, rather, I doubt it needs lotion" (added by gmcharlt at 03:05 AM, May 31, 2009) |
| 06:10 | chris | hdl_laptop: doing ok, hows things with you? |
| 06:19 | brendan | how goes the SOPAC integration into Koha ? |
| 06:23 | chris | i think they have pretty much finished that brendan |
| 06:23 | hi magnusenger :) | |
| 06:23 | brendan | sweet |
| 06:23 | magnusenger | Hi chris! |
| 06:24 | chris | hows norway today? |
| 06:24 | brendan | @wunder norway |
| 06:24 | munin | brendan: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:30 | chris | @wunder Bjørga, norway |
| 06:30 | munin | chris: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 06:30 | chris | @wunder oslo, norway |
| 06:30 | munin | chris: The current temperature in Voksenlia, Oslo, Norway is 8.7°C (8:28 AM CEST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Mostly Cloudy. Humidity: 95%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Windchill: 9.0°C. Pressure: 29.74 in 1007.0 hPa (Steady). |
| 06:30 | chris | wow its as cold as here |
| 06:31 | :) | |
| 06:33 | bbiab | |
| 06:40 | brendan | @gcalc 8.7 degrees C in degrees F |
| 06:40 | munin | brendan: 8.7 degrees Celsius = 47.66 degrees Fahrenheit |
| 06:41 | magnusenger | Well, I can only speak for Bodø... We have +12,5 C, no wind to speak of and a gradient of clouds ranging from clear blue sky at one end to grey at the other. And we have the knowledge that the very first Norwegian library has decided to convert from a proprietary system to Koha! |
| 06:49 | brendan | yay about the library |
| 06:57 | magnusenger | Indeed! It's an academic library with two librarians, but it's a very promising start, methinks |
| 07:04 | elwell | indeed |
| 07:18 | chris | woo hoo thats excellent |
| 07:18 | magnusenger: how far away from Bjørga are you? | |
| 07:18 | my ex girlfriend now lives there with her norwegian husband :) | |
| 07:19 | magnusenger | chris: not sure, where's Bjørga? *Running off to Google maps* |
| 07:20 | chris | 11 hours away by car apparently |
| 07:20 | :) | |
| 07:22 | my parents have visited norway, and say its very beautiful, its on my list of places to visit, maybe some day i can visit the koha library there :) | |
| 07:23 | magnusenger | about 370 kilometers, according to Google Earth |
| 07:23 | hopefully there will be more than one in the not too distant future, too! | |
| 07:24 | Kivutar | hello all! |
| 07:24 | magnusenger | we are planning a conference on libraries and FOSS in november, but i'm afraid the main language will be norwegian |
| 07:25 | chris | that doesnt give me much time to learn hehe |
| 07:25 | maybe next time :) | |
| 07:25 | hello Kivutar :) | |
| 07:28 | nicomo | hi all |
| 07:28 | hi magnusenger | |
| 07:28 | congrats on the new job | |
| 07:29 | magnusenger | thanks, nicomo! |
| 07:29 | chris | hi nicomo |
| 07:29 | nicomo | hi chris : not too sleepy? |
| 07:29 | chris | i have crazy sleep patterns now |
| 07:29 | lots of naps :) | |
| 07:29 | nicomo | lol |
| 07:30 | yeah, I have faint memories of these times | |
| 07:30 | working/sleeping/eating/takingcare : all at once | |
| 07:31 | chris | yeah |
| 07:31 | im not working at the mo, so just cleaning house/washing laundry/eating/sleeping/taking care :-) | |
| 07:57 | brb | |
| 08:04 | brendan | hey nahuel! |
| 08:07 | nahuel | hi brendan ! |
| 08:07 | what's up? | |
| 08:07 | brendan | just getting ready to go to bed -- how about u |
| 08:08 | it's good to get a chance to say hi - every so often... | |
| 08:09 | nahuel -- I've got a really bad joke for you - before I go to bed..... | |
| 08:10 | nahuel | ah ? |
| 08:10 | tell me :) | |
| 08:10 | brendan, what time is it ? | |
| 08:10 | brendan | what happened to the shaggy dog when he jumped in the swimming pool ? |
| 08:10 | it's 1 am here.... | |
| 08:10 | nahuel | late :) |
| 08:10 | brendan | the answer to the joke --- he got wet |
| 08:11 | nahuel | what's a shaggy dog ? |
| 08:11 | brendan | a dog with a lot of hair |
| 08:11 | nahuel | ahah ok |
| 08:11 | brendan | what time is it for you |
| 08:11 | nahuel | 10 am |
| 08:12 | brendan | ha -- IRC is great for that |
| 08:12 | ok - good night nahuel and all #koha | |
| 08:12 | nahuel | brendan, good night brendan :) |
| 08:13 | see you soon | |
| 08:13 | Jo | night Brendan |
| 08:40 | slef | @wunder Bod, NORWAY |
| 08:40 | munin | slef: Error: No such location could be found. |
| 08:41 | magnusenger | slef: Thats Bodø with a ø - or Bodo or Bodoe ;-) |
| 08:41 | slef | @wunder Bodo, NORWAY |
| 08:41 | munin | slef: The current temperature in Bodo, Norway is 13.0°C (10:20 AM CEST on June 11, 2009). Conditions: Scattered Clouds. Humidity: 72%. Dew Point: 8.0°C. Pressure: 29.83 in 1010 hPa (Steady). |
| 08:42 | slef | magnusenger: there we go! |
| 08:42 | something on my irc client is eating oslashes | |
| 08:42 | magnusenger | slef: sounds just about right too! |
| 08:43 | the dreaded oslasheater? | |
| 08:43 | chris | heh |
| 08:43 | slef | it's like an anteater but with a wider mouth so the bar fits in |
| 08:43 | chris | slef, did you see nz came close to beating italy in football, i think the world would end if that had happened |
| 08:47 | http://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/2[…]-edges-All-Whites | |
| 08:53 | magnusenger | don't worry, norway beat brazil in the world cup in 1998, and we're still here... ;-) |
| 08:54 | slef | no, was busy watching England shooting fish in a barrel |
| 08:54 | also known as playing Andorra | |
| 08:54 | chris | oh yeah but norway would thrash new zealand :) |
| 08:54 | i think only 14 people in nz play football, and thats the nz team | |
| 08:54 | :-) | |
| 08:56 | slef | yeah, you need 23 these days |
| 08:57 | chris | heh |
| 09:00 | should i stay awake to watch nz play ireland in cricket .. i think no | |
| 09:01 | i shoulda timed this baby for when the tour de france is on | |
| 09:01 | then i would have an excuse to stay up late watching it | |
| 09:04 | slef | heh |
| 09:04 | Julian Dean is going nowhere fast | |
| 09:04 | chris | yeah its a shame |
| 09:04 | slef | any rising stars to watch for? |
| 09:04 | The Daphine Libere is on this week | |
| 09:04 | David Millar keeps trying to win stages. Has threatened three. | |
| 09:04 | chris | there was an aussie guy, who i watched blitz everyone in the tour of wellington |
| 09:05 | slef | I think Cadel is leading Dauphine at the mo |
| 09:07 | chris | greg henderson maybe |
| 09:07 | http://www.cyclingnz.com/cnz4_news.php?n=3192 | |
| 10:06 | slef | 676 |
| 10:06 | ww | |
| 10:17 | chris | heh |
| 11:24 | slef | @bug 3313 |
| 11:24 | munin | slef: 04Bug http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3313 normal, P3, ---, jmfliblime.com, NEW, bulkauthimport.pl doesn't import MARC21 subdivision records |
| 11:39 | chris | heya jwagner |
| 11:39 | find that movie yet? | |
| 11:43 | jwagner | Sorry, was off on another screen. Haven't gotten my hands on a copy of it yet, but I've seen the preview on Amazon. Gonna have to track it down! |
| 11:43 | chris | i have it on vhs .. but its PAL not ntsc |
| 11:43 | jwagner | I'm not sure how buying downloadable movies from Amazon works -- whether I can keep replaying, transfer to DVD, whatever. |
| 11:43 | chris | hmm yeah good question |
| 11:44 | jwagner | I have to get my friend scouring the darker reaches of the net -- it must be out there somewhere. He is good at finding things.... |
| 11:45 | chris | :-) |
| 11:45 | jwagner | Just reread my collection over the weekend. Hadn't read them in a while -- lots of fun. |
| 11:46 | (And I've known cats like Horse!) | |
| 11:46 | chris | hehe yeah, ours is a little like that |
| 11:49 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M0pWejAnLUQ <-- theme song from the movie | |
| 11:49 | has bits of the movie in the video | |
| 11:54 | jwagner | Now that is silly :-) But very good. What are those instruments that look like flutes with a 90 degree angle? |
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