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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 12:38 | jwagner | Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode? I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it. Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode. |
| 12:39 | schuster | While your there see if you can get b and p as well! Big problem with series books... |
| 12:41 | jwagner | Subfield b seems to show by default -- at least the title I'm looking at shows it. But only a and b. We need h (Medium) to display. Don't have a record with a subfield p handy, but presumably it would be fixed in the same place. |
| 12:41 | schuster | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2771 |
| 12:43 | jwagner | Thanks, just added my 2 cents there. If I could find where it's controlled, I could at least fix my immediate problem.... |
| 12:44 | I can't even find where it's telling the 245 to include subfield b. Gotta be there somewhere! | |
| 13:04 | AHA! Since owen the master at catalog displays has joined :-) I'll repeat my question -- Anyone know where the system specifies what subfields display for title in staff mode? I've been trying to track it down, through detail.pl, Biblio.pm, etc. and I can't zero in on it. Specifically, I want the 245 subfield h to display in staff mode. | |
| 13:04 | David Schuster & I were just discussing this and he pointed me to bugzill # 2771. | |
| 13:04 | owen | detail.pl and whatever pm's support it |
| 13:05 | jwagner | Yes, but I've been trolling through detail.pl and Biblio.pm and some other .pms, and can't find anywhere that specifies what fields/subfields should display for anything. It just seems to be parsing them with my $subtitle = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, ''); |
| 13:06 | gmcharlt | jwagner: it's look at the MARC framework field mapping |
| 13:06 | and expecting that the 245$b will be mapped to bibliosubtitle.subtitle | |
| 13:06 | (or use XSLT ;-) ) | |
| 13:07 | jwagner | XSLT isn't an option in the staff side right now. |
| 13:07 | gmcharlt | doh |
| 13:07 | jwagner | I looked at the framework, but how do I tell it I want more than subfield b? |
| 13:07 | gmcharlt | it would currently concatenatte them |
| 13:08 | Title : subtitle | second $b value | third $b value | |
| 13:08 | owen | Now that we've got unimarc support in XSLT is there any reason not to use XSLT in the staff client? |
| 13:09 | jwagner | gmcharlt, so I could modify the subfield b in the 245, which now reads b Remainder of title Tab:2, | Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle, Not repeatable, Not mandatory, |
| 13:09 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 13:09 | jwagner | or modify subfield h for the Koha field: bibliosubtitle.subtitle part? |
| 13:15 | Hrrmmmmm. When I go into subfield b, Koha link is blank and there isn't a bibliosubtitle.subtitle option. Setting that field for subfield h to biblio.title didn't seem to do anything. | |
| 13:25 | ebegin | Morning! |
| 13:25 | Isn't there a way to modify an SQL report once it is created? | |
| 13:25 | gmcharlt | jwagner: the bibliiosubtitles thing is a actually a bit of a hack - you need to modify it via SQL |
| 13:26 | ebegin: yep - chris did a patch for that in HEAD last month | |
| 13:26 | jwagner | OK. I'll have one of the SQL wizards take a look there, then. Thanks much! |
| 13:26 | ebegin | gmcharlt, ok, thanks! |
| 13:33 | owen | gmcharlt: Is there a reason why we shouldn't be using XSLT in the staff client? |
| 13:33 | gmcharlt | owen: no particular reason, just never done |
| 13:34 | owen | I thought the argument previously was that there wasn't Unimarc support |
| 13:35 | gmcharlt | owen: it would have been syspreffed, presumably, like in the OPAC |
| 13:35 | of course, there is a larger issue | |
| 13:36 | current framework-based approach does have the theoretical advantage | |
| 13:36 | of allowing data display customization without having to write XSLT | |
| 13:36 | so utlimately I think we want somethign that can help generate the XSLT | |
| 13:37 | owen | How is the framework tied to the display on detail.pl? I thought it was all pretty much hard-coded. |
| 13:37 | gmcharlt | indirectly to specify which MARC fields populate the variables |
| 13:38 | the $subtitle = C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc('bibliosubtitle', 'subtitle', $record, ''); | |
| 13:38 | example is assuming that something was mapped to the subtitle in the framework | |
| 13:40 | owen | Ugh. Larger issues. |
| 13:45 | wizzyrea | even allowing editing of the xslt through the web interface would help a little |
| 13:46 | just a little though | |
| 13:46 | or maybe there's a reason not to allow that | |
| 13:46 | that I don't know | |
| 13:46 | and hello. | |
| 13:46 | ;) | |
| 13:48 | gmcharlt | woudl have to make sure that access to the editing the templates is reasonably secure |
| 13:48 | but certainly not impossible | |
| 13:48 | the XSLT would be a special case though - since it's game over if there's a syntax error, woudl have to validate before letting a change be saved | |
| 13:49 | of course, there's also the version control issue :) | |
| 13:49 | wizzyrea | hee, always |
| 13:49 | gmcharlt | but in principle, all of those are solvable problems |
| 13:52 | wizzyrea | idk, worth solving though, or find a completely different way to do? |
| 13:53 | gmcharlt | something different, perhaps - I'm leery of having XSLT *be* the main bib template customization language, at least not without a good front end |
| 13:54 | while I think more librarians should be comfortable with it | |
| 13:54 | it is still rather verbose | |
| 13:54 | wizzyrea | yea, in my mind it ought to be like building with legos, just snap it together in the order you want |
| 13:55 | but you know, I"m simple like that :P | |
| 13:55 | owen | Yeah, but remember digging through your huge box of legos looking for just the right one? |
| 13:56 | wizzyrea | yessir I do |
| 13:56 | owen | That is to say, Lego-brand building blocks ;) |
| 13:56 | wizzyrea | HA... please don't make the copyright police come get me >.< |
| 13:56 | It's all backups I swear | |
| 13:58 | owen | ...and the original DVDs are in the safe deposit box! I lost the key! |
| 13:59 | wizzyrea | ^.^ glad you're back, owen |
| 13:59 | gmcharlt | that's it - time for an audit - do you have all of your license documentation? </BSA> |
| 13:59 | wizzyrea | I use OSS, bite me |
| 13:59 | :D | |
| 14:12 | slef | ls |
| 14:12 | oops | |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | aindillis |
| 14:12 | atz | |
| 14:12 | brendan | |
| 14:12 | ... | |
| 14:12 | :) | |
| 14:13 | slef: re bug 3243, do you have another patch for the template to preserve the batch type, not just batch ID? | |
| 14:14 | slef: if not, I'll just do it myself in a sec | |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | oh, there's no staff user CSS? |
| 14:29 | pref? | |
| 14:29 | owen | Yeah, strange omission. |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | hrm, is there a bug for that :P |
| 14:29 | b/c it should be included | |
| 14:30 | would be an ez way to help customize the receipts | |
| 14:30 | owen | Wait--that is assuming you don't mean intranetcolorstylesheet |
| 14:30 | There isn't an analog to opacusercss | |
| 14:32 | wizzyrea | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2349 |
| 14:32 | the 2nd, analog to opacusercss | |
| 14:32 | but this would be yet another way to handle it | |
| 14:33 | owen | Of course you can always re-purpose your intranetuserjs field ;) |
| 14:33 | </script> | |
| 14:33 | <style> | |
| 14:33 | </style> | |
| 14:33 | <script> | |
| 14:33 | wizzyrea | hmm |
| 14:33 | <nub alert> not a tactic I've used before... will think about that | |
| 14:34 | owen | It's not how it's "meant" to be used, but since you're just embedding HTML you've got free rein. |
| 14:35 | wizzyrea | so you're basically just escaping the script and starting it up again |
| 14:35 | gmcharlt | hi hdl_laptop |
| 14:35 | owen | wizzyrea: right |
| 14:38 | wizzyrea | you're so clever. I wouldn't have thought to do that ;P |
| 14:42 | owen | Feels kinda dirty--like SQL injection or something. But I think I can trust me. |
| 14:43 | wizzyrea | lulz |
| 15:06 | owen: feels dirty, works great :D thanks | |
| 17:22 | brendan | hello #koha - how's everyone doing today |
| 17:22 | pianohacker | Good, busy; yourself? |
| 17:23 | brendan | hey pianohacker -- just finishing up at the Evergreen conference |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | Oh, cool |
| 17:23 | How'd that go? | |
| 17:23 | brendan | good -- they've got a few neat little things coming out with there next release |
| 17:23 | pianohacker | Do you have a link? |
| 17:23 | brendan | acq and serials (if all goes well for the developers |
| 17:24 | yeah -- I believe this is there public demo of their new stuff -- one sec let me find it | |
| 17:24 | pianohacker | thanks |
| 17:31 | brendan | one sec pianohacker -- got distracted |
| 17:33 | acq.open-ils.org | |
| 17:34 | you should be able to log in with username = admin and password = open-ils | |
| 17:38 | owen | I wonder if Evergreen gets crap from its users about requiring javascript |
| 17:38 | joetho | All systems get crap from users about *something*. |
| 17:39 | brendan | yup |
| 17:39 | joetho | I am looking at this evergreen deal, |
| 17:39 | and I am thinking: somewhere, somebody is mad about something in this ILS. | |
| 17:44 | brendan | the nice thing that I see from this demo -- is that you can edit and add you're circ rules and other config stuff -- before (earlier releases) you had to edit xml and javascript files |
| 17:44 | joetho | earlier releases of evergreen, correct? |
| 17:45 | brendan | yes |
| 17:45 | and on their current release 1.4 | |
| 17:46 | joetho | I guess this login only allows ser/acq |
| 17:47 | pianohacker | This feels very much like a conventional ILS; nested interfaces, obscure terminology ("circulation modifiers"?) |
| 17:47 | joetho | and a great big sigh, because I should be back hacking away at my koha reports. |
| 17:47 | although there is lots to be learnt from other ILS, particularly this one. | |
| 17:48 | brendan | yup always something to learn |
| 17:49 | wizzyrea | joetho: what reports are you working on? |
| 17:49 | joetho | and this acq module doesn't look all that usable. |
| 17:50 | pianohacker | joetho: learn from as in avoid or work towards? :) |
| 17:50 | joetho | liz: ones that either crash or timeout. |
| 17:50 | wizzyrea | icwutudidthar |
| 17:50 | joetho | jesse: both |
| 17:51 | wizzyrea | custom or canned? |
| 17:51 | joetho | where? on my system? ARE YOU IN MY SYSTEM?? |
| 17:51 | wizzyrea | simma! No! |
| 17:51 | joetho | I don't nose around in yours. OK OK OK, I do, but I am very careful. |
| 17:52 | wizzyrea | ha. This explains why we think we have a ghost in the machine |
| 17:52 | joetho | do you have another chat client or name at your fingertips? |
| 17:53 | wizzyrea | I sent u a pm |
| 17:54 | joetho | k, gchat in 2 min ? |
| 17:57 | wizzyrea | sure |
| 18:03 | joetho | snort. Some nerds WE are. I just had to reinstall mine. |
| 18:08 | wizzyrea | up late with the kiddo eh, chris? |
| 18:09 | chris | naw, wind woke me up, its 6am |
| 18:09 | joetho | liz: gchat? |
| 18:09 | you forgot already, didn't you. | |
| 18:10 | wizzyrea | noooooooo |
| 18:11 | schuster | wizzyrea - have you updated to the latest update patch from LibLime yet? .14? |
| 18:11 | wizzyrea | schuster: checking... if yes, only on our test environs |
| 18:11 | joetho | I wish liblime would do that without us asking |
| 18:12 | pianohacker | Be back soon, time to sit in a different chair and work on Koha |
| 18:12 | schuster | OK - we updated last night our production and I didn't catch this bug in the test environment http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=3166 |
| 18:12 | rounding problem with multiple lines. There is a patch, but now I need to wait for the next patch update to get it... | |
| 18:13 | wizzyrea | I bet if you hassle them they'd do it early >.> |
| 18:13 | schuster: I think we're actually ahead of you | |
| 18:14 | 3.0100033 is what our test environs says | |
| 18:14 | schuster | We'll we found it today as school is closing down and kids are paying their fines! I've started to hassle... |
| 18:14 | wizzyrea | (and we only have 3 fining libraries) |
| 18:14 | schuster | WOW! you are way ahead, but you have that custom holds stuff so that is probably why... |
| 18:14 | gmcharlt | the default messaging prefs patchset, actually |
| 18:15 | wizzyrea | ... sorry gmcharlt... |
| 18:25 | schuster | We need a LibLime discussion place for those of us that are ONLY LibLime customers to chat... I don't like airing dirty laundry here... |
| 18:26 | owen | We've been mostly and happily bug free since our last update |
| 18:26 | They hit all the biggies following our upgrade | |
| 18:27 | atz | schuster: we have a #liblimequestions channel on freenode |
| 18:27 | typically only wel populated during training sessions | |
| 18:27 | *well | |
| 18:38 | gmcharlt: split out my cleanup patch and combined it w/ the inapplicable one from earlier | |
| 18:38 | should be good to go on HEAD now | |
| 18:38 | wizzyrea | what would be the best way to report on items that haven't circulated? |
| 18:39 | gmcharlt | atz: cool |
| 18:39 | atz | wizzyrea: there's an existing report for stale items, i think |
| 18:39 | wizzyrea | atz: interesting... i'll go look for it |
| 18:40 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: also, select * from items where issues is null or issues = 0 # if you're looking for the truly hopeless items like DOS 6.1 manuals |
| 18:42 | wizzyrea | best... example... ever |
| 18:43 | gmcharlt | although it's sobering to think that there are lots of public libraries (and ones not specializing in computer history) that still have such beasts |
| 18:43 | (and acadmic and special libraries too, of course) | |
| 18:47 | chris | well it was the last good OS release from miscrosoft |
| 18:47 | brendan | hehe |
| 18:49 | gmcharlt | google++ # nice logo today |
| 18:50 | chris | ohh 143/kmph no wonder the wind woke me up |
| 18:50 | gmcharlt | ! |
| 18:51 | don't you tend to end up with kittens, children, and small cows platered to the walls with wind speeds like that? | |
| 18:52 | chris | heh suprisingly not, wellington gets winds around that speed pretty much every year |
| 18:52 | owen | If you look outside and see a technicolor candy-toting midget, you know it was serious. |
| 18:52 | chris | usually a fence or 2 blows over, maybe some powerlines |
| 18:55 | http://metservice.co.nz/public[…]rared-latest.html damn you swirly cloud thingy!! | |
| 19:03 | wizzyrea | that's what, 60ish mph? |
| 19:03 | gmcharlt | 89 mph |
| 19:04 | wizzyrea | yea, that's extreme even for us kansans |
| 19:04 | chris | well its gusts, not like a tornado thing |
| 19:04 | we dont get continious winds at that speed, but we get gusts | |
| 19:09 | owen | WolframAlpha responds to 143 kmph with "88.86 mph" and "~ speed at which Marty McFly needs to drive the Delorean in order to time travel" |
| 19:14 | chris | heh |
| 19:14 | awesom | |
| 19:15 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzNY4NH1TQg | |
| 19:26 | that will undermine the have kohacon in wellington bid :-) | |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | conference organizers will provide wind anchors? |
| 19:27 | chris | we can all tether together :) |
| 19:30 | russel is in the south island mountain biking today ... i bet he is having fun in this weather | |
| 19:42 | pianohacker | atz: I noticed that you've been doing a lot of cleanup work lately. Do you have a secret agenda in mind? |
| 19:42 | atz | pianohacker: i'm implementing granular permissions |
| 19:42 | so i'm having to touch everything anyway | |
| 19:43 | not very secret, there should be RFC's out there (and more coming, probably) | |
| 19:44 | so much of the reports are just blind copy/paste | |
| 19:46 | wizzyrea | owen: lolmarty mcfly |
| 19:48 | owen: the intranetuserjs thing we talked about earlier was epic win | |
| 19:51 | owen | Cool. Whatcha doin'? |
| 20:09 | wizzyrea | trivial things really, but things that mean I don't have to maintain the template |
| 20:21 | pianohacker | atz: (Sorry, have been distracted) When I finally get around to redoing ajaxcirc, this'll make my life much easier, thank you |
| 20:21 | brb | |
| 20:21 | atz | np |
| 20:22 | chris | hmm i hear yells of "daddy" time to go get the little one up |
| 20:31 | schuster | wizzyrea - ok intranetuserjs thing - explain? |
| 20:33 | owen | schuster: She was asking whether there was an intranet analogue to the OPAC's OPACUserCSS system pref |
| 20:33 | There isn't, but I suggested she push the boundaries of the intranetuserjs pref to accomplish the same thing | |
| 20:37 | gmcharlt | owen: lazyweb - in the OPAC CSS, is there a class for a "dialog warning" or the like? e.g., something more insistant than a "dialog message" div |
| 20:37 | owen | gmcharlt: Yes, the same as in the staff client. "dialog alert" |
| 20:38 | gmcharlt | nm - "dialog alert" is what I'm lokoing for |
| 20:38 | schuster | Ok owen sorry I don't know this well enough yet to know what she would use it for so I will wait for the next conference when she presents on it! |
| 20:38 | gmcharlt | owen: thanks |
| 21:09 | wizzyrea | schuster: I wanted to do some styling to the receipts, but there was no place to put custom CSS |
| 21:09 | in the sysprefs | |
| 21:10 | so owen suggested a way around that pref omission | |
| 21:10 | quite ingenious, actually | |
| 21:11 | schuster | Ya know when someone puts their hands over their head and flaps the fingers??? waon waon woan.... Charlie Brown.. ;) have a great weekend everyone I'm outa here. |
| 21:13 | wizzyrea | doh... sigh. I'm no genius. I stand on the shoulders of giants. |
| 21:14 | actually more like "teeter precariously" | |
| 21:17 | chris | heh |
| 21:17 | that would be an awesome badge | |
| 21:17 | actually i may use that for my job title | |
| 21:17 | Chris Cormack "Precarious teeterer" | |
| 21:19 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 21:20 | it's like an AA meeting "Hi, I'm Liz Rea. I teeter precariously on the shoulders of giants." | |
| 21:20 | all: Hi Liz | |
| 21:21 | chris | hehe |
| 21:21 | pianohacker | "Hi, I'm Jesse Weaver. I have a masochistic urge to bang my head against the admin codebase." |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | Hi, Jesse! |
| 21:21 | chris | heh |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | and we love you for it |
| 21:22 | pianohacker | Ahh, but that nice van with padded walls outside looks so comfortable |
| 21:22 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: there are a few terminology suggestions I think I"m going to make on the messaging enhancement, but it's stuff I think I can fix and submit myself |
| 21:23 | now that you've pushed that on | |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | wizzyrea: ok - note that there are a couple additional patches that you don't have yet in your testing database to fix minor issues |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | okie |
| 21:23 | gmcharlt | one Safari-related, the other a concession to users who don't want to sit in contemplation of a blank page |
| 21:24 | wizzyrea | !! |
| 21:24 | IE users? | |
| 21:24 | kidding, kidding. | |
| 21:24 | gmcharlt | no, IE users just get shown a screen telling them to download FF already |
| 21:24 | chris | gmcharlt: the zen koha interface :) |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | I so did that today. Had a page of html snippets that just... would... not... work... in IE |
| 21:25 | chris | empty your mind like this page is empty |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | I said screw it, made it pretty much plain text |
| 21:25 | chris | then you will reach catalogue enlightenment |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | Ommmmmm |
| 21:26 | I'm feeling better already, all the IE rage is just melting away | |
| 21:26 | chris | heh |
| 21:29 | pianohacker | A flamethrower sounds like a more satisfying way to solve the problem, but zen probably involves less jail time |
| 21:34 | chris | unless you live in tibe |
| 21:34 | t | |
| 21:34 | pianohacker | Hehe |
| 21:34 | chris | ohh political humour on a saturday morning <-- bad chris |
| 21:35 | gmcharlt | does it make a difference that it's still Friday evening overseas? ;) |
| 21:36 | chris | oh yeah, thats alright then |
| 21:42 | brendan | later all -- going out for some dinner... |
| 21:51 | wizzyrea | ok, I'm giving up and going home. Thanks everybody for another great week on Koha. |
| 23:05 | pianohacker | good night |
| 00:14 | ryan | yay, the weekend finally makes it to western U.S. ! |
| 01:54 | brendan | night all sleep well |
| 03:08 | chris | hmm i must show eric screen |
| 10:23 | ron_ | crickey, someone needs to fix their irc client |
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