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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:04 | ebegin | what is the best git tutorial you ever read? :) |
| 12:45 | schuster | Morning all! |
| 12:46 | jwagner | Morning schuster! |
| 13:12 | hdl_laptop | ebegin: about git.... |
| 13:12 | http://delicious.com/laurenthdl/git | |
| 13:12 | ebegin | great! merci! |
| 14:29 | wizzyrea | hdl: thanks for the git tips, and for the help a couple of days ago was just what I needed to know |
| 14:51 | rhcl | Hi Paul |
| 17:43 | ebegin | what are the differences between 3.00.01 stable, stable-update , .005? |
| 17:44 | gmcharlt | hdl learning how to tag releases :) |
| 17:44 | seriously, v3.00.01-stable_update is the true tag for 3.0.1 | |
| 17:45 | v3.00.01.005 amounts to the beta for 3.0.1 | |
| 17:45 | v3.00.01-stable is essentially an oops | |
| 17:45 | ebegin | :) |
| 17:46 | thanks | |
| 17:57 | pianohacker | I wonder if there's a name for the feeling of discovering that 12-point Times New Roman is much smaller than 12-point DejaVu Serif when trying to hit three pages on an essay |
| 18:08 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: use longer words |
| 18:08 | pianohacker | heh |
| 18:13 | ebegin | I'm looking for the page telling how to upgrade from a version to another when using the single install mode. Is thatan existing page? :) |
| 18:15 | gmcharlt | perl Makefile.PL --prev-install-log /path/to/koha-install-log |
| 18:15 | make | |
| 18:15 | make test | |
| 18:15 | sudo make upgrade | |
| 18:16 | ebegin | thanks. I'll try to find a place to write that down on the wiki... |
| 18:17 | I guess that it's the same for the standard install? | |
| 18:17 | Is there any performance drawback when we use the dev mode? | |
| 18:18 | atz | ebegin: no, it's the same code |
| 18:19 | ebegin | so their notsignificant hit incured by the symbolic links? |
| 18:27 | Does the upgrade process can go from 3.00.00 to the soon to come 3.00.02 or it is suggested to do the upgrades one after the other? | |
| 18:42 | gmcharlt | the upgrade should be able to handle 3.0.0 -> 3.0.2 directly |
| 18:45 | pianohacker | brb |
| 18:50 | wizzyrea | oh poor pianohacker |
| 18:53 | gmcharlt | well, now that he's away, we can go ahead and talk about the *reams* of writing one has to do *after* one leaves school ;) |
| 18:58 | wizzyrea | gmcharlt: *swoon* over the messaging stuff |
| 18:58 | just so you know, you won't get any hassles about it (in terms of if we find any bugs) until next week | |
| 18:58 | there are a couple of template changes I might suggest/make, but so far <super awesome thumbs up> | |
| 18:58 | gmcharlt | you mean nobody is devoting their weekend to testing it? ;) |
| 18:59 | wizzyrea | lol, it's the 'give poor gmcharlt a break from one small source of hassle for a couple of days' sentiment |
| 19:47 | chris | morning |
| 19:47 | ebegin | hi chris! |
| 19:48 | What a time to get out of bed. It's mid afternoon over here :) | |
| 19:50 | chris | im not out of bed, im typing quietly on the laptop so as to not wake the rest of the family early on saturday morning :) |
| 19:55 | rhcl | Hi Chris |
| 20:08 | thd | Are any tables using authorised_value filled as part of the installation process? |
| 20:11 | ebegin | Framework are using them |
| 20:12 | thd | ebegin: yes, but for the frameworks to use them they must be populated |
| 20:12 | ebegin: What populates them on installation? | |
| 20:13 | ebegin | The default Framework is using authorized_value |
| 20:14 | thd | ebegin: The authorised_value identifies a particular authorised value list. How are the lists populated on installation? |
| 20:18 | ebegin | They are populated by the auth_val.sql file located in the <koha_installer>/installer/data/mysql/en/optional dir |
| 20:19 | This file can be choosen or not during the web installer, one of the optional component | |
| 20:20 | thd | ebegin: Have you done any UNIMARC installations? |
| 20:22 | ebegin | nope. the unimarc version of this file should be in data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire/authorised_values.sql |
| 20:22 | well, the french one, though | |
| 20:23 | thd | ebegin: Yet there is no such file that I found in git |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt | installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/marcflavour/unimarc_lecture_pub/Obligatoire/framework_DEFAULT.sql |
| 20:25 | ebegin | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]ec275e00a;hb=HEAD |
| 20:30 | thd, note that this is in the installer, not the installed version. | |
| 20:33 | thd | gmcharlt, ebegin: thank you. There is nothing for authorised_values in the unimarc_complet framework. |
| 20:37 | the unimarc_complet framework calls some authorised_value lists which are never populated unless the user adds them | |
| 20:37 | fredericd: are you there? | |
| 20:39 | ebegin | thd: 995$o uses the ETAT authorised_value |
| 20:40 | fredericd | thd: yes |
| 20:40 | thd | fredericd: the unimarc_complet framework calls some authorised_value lists which are never populated unless the user adds them |
| 20:40 | fredericd | I'm afraid you're correct |
| 20:40 | thd | fredericd: We should fix that |
| 20:41 | fredericd | UNIMARC frameword and linked data (authorised values) are not at the same level as MARC21 framrwork |
| 20:42 | thd | I also noticed some value builder scripts which are not being called in any French UNIMARC framework |
| 20:42 | ebegin | Aren't authorised_value added by by the Web Install, IF the user selects it? |
| 20:42 | thd | ebegin: yes, but none are added for unimarc_complet |
| 20:43 | fredericd | ebegin: There is no .sql file for authorized values |
| 20:43 | You have to populate them by hand | |
| 20:44 | gmcharlt | fredericd: is that desired by your users for some reason? |
| 20:45 | thd | fredericd: gmcharlt found that for unimarc_lecture_pub there is some code to add a few authorised value lists as part of the default bibliographic framework SQL file |
| 20:45 | fredericd | gmcharlt: I wouldn't say that. We have to add those values for each installation. This could be seen has a feature for some authorized values list like ETAT (french version of NOTFORLOAN) |
| 20:46 | But for author function, it should be added to default installation | |
| 20:46 | ebegin | fredericd, there is one in my installer/data/mysql/fr-FR/1-Obligatoire directory... weird... don't you have it? authorised_values.sql |
| 20:47 | thd | gmcharlt: I think it reflected the thinking of paul at one time that configuration was largely a task for the librarian |
| 20:47 | gmcharlt: I do not think that paul believes that should be quite so true any longer | |
| 20:48 | fredericd | thd: You're correct. |
| 20:49 | /installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/unimarc is also obsolete and should be removed | |
| 20:49 | gmcharlt | as the number of Koha's config options grows, the need for well-chosen defaults increases |
| 20:49 | thd | gmcharlt: actually, until mid 2006 the default French UNIMARC installation did much more for the user by default than MARC 21 but MARC 21 caught up |
| 20:55 | fredericd: does ETAT mean the 'state' of the loan? | |
| 20:59 | ebegin | thd, in the file, the different value of the ETAT are the same than the NOT_LOAN auth value of MARC |
| 21:02 | thd | ebegin: In which file? |
| 21:03 | ebegin | the authorised_value.sql file that, for an unknown reason, is on my machine but not in displayed in git.koha.org, even if I cloned it this morning... :-/ |
| 21:03 | fredericd | It's not populated by web installer. |
| 21:04 | Some fields in MARC21 framework have been linked to authorised value lists which have have no UNIMARC equivalent | |
| 21:05 | I suppose that MARC21 'team' has introduced new item-level functionnalities without coordination with UNIMARC 'team' | |
| 21:06 | chris | i think the teams should play football and the winner becomes the ultimate MARC champion |
| 21:06 | ebegin | Oh! the authorised_value was removed sint 3.00.01 was released... That why I have it |
| 21:06 | fredericd | Those fields-authosied values: SUGGEST, LOST, CCODE, DAMAGED, WITHDRAWN, NOT_LOAN |
| 21:07 | ebegin | s/sint/since |
| 21:07 | fredericd | footbal vs soccer |
| 21:07 | I don't even know how to spell football | |
| 21:08 | ebegin | Try hockey, it's simpler :) |
| 21:11 | thd | we need better coordination or documentation for programmers |
| 21:12 | chris | both |
| 21:12 | always | |
| 21:12 | for everything | |
| 21:12 | :) | |
| 21:14 | fredericd | team spirit rather than individualism :) |
| 21:14 | good night! | |
| 21:15 | chris | have a good weekend fredericd |
| 21:15 | ebegin | bye fred |
| 21:19 | thd | good night fredericd |
| 21:20 | chris | so heres a leftfield idea, the linuxconf.au people have a neat idea where they run a partners/wives/husbands/kids programme alongside the conference programme |
| 21:20 | pianohacker | That sounds interesting. What's involved? |
| 21:20 | chris | i was thinking if we do do kohacon10 in NZ that we should organise the same kinda thing |
| 21:21 | wizzyrea | chris: best idea ever |
| 21:21 | chris | so that if you are gonna come all the way, bring the family |
| 21:21 | gmcharlt | chris++ |
| 21:22 | although my wife would just join the main program :) | |
| 21:22 | chris | that works too :) |
| 21:22 | gmcharlt | btw, I just asked her, and she fully supports KohaCon10 in NZ :) |
| 21:23 | chris | at linuxconf.au 2006 in dunedin, they had organised things like buses to go visit the seal colony and albatross colony |
| 21:23 | those kinda things | |
| 21:23 | wizzyrea | for the record, so does Mr. Wizzyrea and Wizzyrea Jr. |
| 21:23 | though 18 hours on a plane with spud doesn't sound so appealing but I'd suffer through for NZ | |
| 21:24 | chris | hehe |
| 21:24 | the trick is timing the flight | |
| 21:24 | the long one is la to auckland | |
| 21:24 | 13 hours | |
| 21:24 | brendan | chris - I propose a bus trip to weta digital! |
| 21:24 | chris | so try to get one thta takes off at round 7pm |
| 21:25 | then hopefully spud sleeps the flight | |
| 21:25 | (its worked for us) | |
| 21:25 | brendan: definitely, the weta cave would be on the list | |
| 21:25 | wizzyrea | b rendan ++ |
| 21:25 | oh that's genius | |
| 21:25 | brendan | but then I wouldn't be at the conference - I'd be playing with golum |
| 21:25 | chris | heh |
| 21:27 | http://www.wotzon.com/eventlis[…]?event_id=5022809 | |
| 21:27 | there's usually something fun going on at the weta cave | |
| 21:27 | ppl can do the walking tour of rivendell too, if they are lotr fans | |
| 21:28 | brendan | nice -- ok I already got my tickets and the bags are packed ! |
| 21:28 | chris | heh |
| 21:30 | wizzyrea | LOL |
| 21:32 | chris | http://www.penguinsvisiting.or[…]artners_programme |
| 21:32 | seeings i work with a bunch of people organising this | |
| 21:32 | ill probably copy lots of their ideas :) | |
| 21:36 | jo from hlt is keen to help out with organisational ideas, i might talk to her about us writing a proposal up | |
| 22:04 | rhcl | Weekend! |
| 23:03 | pianohacker | 'night |
| 09:48 | chris | hi hdl_laptop |
| 09:48 | hdl_laptop | hi chris |
| 11:20 | eiro | ok .. je vire la backup sauvage d'averroes sur descartes |
| 11:20 | ca va soulager |
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