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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:02 | gmcharlt | hi paul_p |
| 12:02 | what's the weather like in Plano? ;) | |
| 12:02 | paul_p | good morning from Plano ! |
| 12:03 | gmcharlt: I don't know, nahuel still sleeping, and window closed & darkened (frenchism suspected) | |
| 12:03 | Crusoe | Open source is a great thing! |
| 12:04 | in 3 hours I found the answer on my question! | |
| 12:04 | not a simple one. | |
| 12:05 | kf | hi paul |
| 12:06 | will 3.2 acquisition be recorded? I would really like to see it. | |
| 12:06 | paul_p | hi kf. I don't think so, but I may have missed something |
| 12:06 | gmcharlt: when do you arrive at Plano ? | |
| 12:07 | kf | :( |
| 12:07 | gmcharlt | paul_p: I land at Dallas at 21:30 |
| 12:08 | paul_p | gmcharlt: you're at Holiday Inn ? |
| 12:08 | gmcharlt | no, a Hampton nearby |
| 12:08 | paul_p | ok. |
| 12:08 | gmcharlt | nengard is renting a car, btw |
| 12:09 | paul_p | nengard+++ |
| 12:18 | gmcharlt | the sleeper awakes |
| 12:18 | hi nahuel | |
| 12:18 | nahuel | hi :) |
| 12:18 | well it's 7:20 am | |
| 12:42 | Crusoe | Could anyone explain ISBD system variable syntax? What do '|','()','{}' mean? |
| 12:54 | gmcharlt | Crusoe: the # is a line separator |
| 12:54 | | divides each line into fields | |
| 12:54 | 1. tag/subfield to look for | |
| 12:54 | 2. text to insert before | |
| 12:55 | 3. { } specifies the individual fields and subfields to display | |
| 12:55 | 4. text to insert afterwards | |
| 12:56 | e.g., #650|<br/><br/><label>Subjects--Topical Terms: </label>|{\n6503 }{\n650a}{ 650b }{ 650c }{ 650d }{ 650e }{--650x}{--650z}{--650y}{--650v}| | |
| 12:56 | look for each 650 | |
| 12:56 | display "<br/><br/><label>Subjects--Topical Terms: </label>" first | |
| 12:56 | then 650$3, $a, $b, $c, $d, $e, and then subdivisions ($x, $y, $z) preceded by '--' | |
| 12:58 | Crusoe | q1. #650 does mean 'look for each 650'? |
| 12:59 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 13:00 | Crusoe | q2. Is it possible to say: 'display 225$h which is possybly followed bu 225$i. repeat', something like {225$h, {225$i}} |
| 13:00 | ? | |
| 13:02 | The record is expected to have 225#1$aMain series title$hPart I$iTitle of the part I$hSub-part 14$iTitle of sub-part 14... | |
| 13:08 | hdl_laptop | yes |
| 13:09 | #225h||{225h, }{225i}| | |
| 13:10 | This should work. | |
| 13:19 | Crusoe | cool! |
| 13:21 | q3. May I mix different fields, like 461 and 463 on a single line? Or how can I suppress the space between two lines? | |
| 13:28 | gmcharlt | can't mix differeent fields on the sam eline |
| 13:30 | paul_p | gmcharlt: did you think about a schedule for our devweek(-end) ? |
| 13:30 | chris | i love openvpn |
| 13:31 | otoh i hate this coffee | |
| 13:31 | morning paul_p and nahuel | |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt | paul_p: yes. we can talk more tomorrow, but basically what I have in mind is discussion and architectural battles [ ;) ] the first day |
| 13:31 | and open hackfest the second | |
| 13:31 | paul_p | chris: hello neibourgh ;-) |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 13:31 | paul_p | chris: ready for breakfast ? |
| 13:31 | chris | yes indeed |
| 13:32 | meet you there in 5 mins? | |
| 13:32 | paul_p | nahuel is in the bathroom. |
| 13:32 | i'll say when he is back | |
| 13:32 | chris | cool |
| 13:32 | gmcharlt: do you get in the same time as nicole? | |
| 13:33 | gmcharlt | no, I get in around 21:30 tonight |
| 13:33 | chris | ahhh |
| 13:33 | and atz? | |
| 13:33 | liz_nekls | hey, I'm collecting twitter usernames for the coveritlive I'm setting up for kohacon |
| 13:33 | nahuel | hi chris ! |
| 13:33 | liz_nekls | or you can tag your tweets with #kohacon09 |
| 13:33 | paul_p | chris: he's back ;-) |
| 13:33 | chris | im the one moaning on twitter about coffee :) |
| 13:33 | nahuel | chris, had a good night ? |
| 13:33 | liz_nekls | hehe! |
| 13:34 | kool kool | |
| 13:34 | chris | woke up too many times nahuel, but mostly good, i think tonight will be better :) |
| 13:34 | ok, shall we breakfast? | |
| 13:34 | gmcharlt | chris: you actually drank the coffeee available in your hotel room? ;) |
| 13:34 | chris | yeah big mistake |
| 13:34 | i wont be doing that again | |
| 13:34 | :) | |
| 13:35 | nahuel | chris, i think it'll be better :) |
| 13:35 | chris, break-faaassst ! | |
| 13:35 | Crusoe | thanks to everybody, now it looks clear %-) |
| 14:53 | slef | anyone got thoughts on http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2976 solution? |
| 14:59 | gmcharlt | slef: I'd check for changes to the authority record.abs |
| 14:59 | I assume they're MARC21 - are they using the GRS1 filter or the DOM filter for authority records | |
| 15:31 | slef | grs |
| 15:32 | stock record.abs as supplied with koha | |
| 16:30 | ryan_ | anybody here know isbd syntax ? |
| 16:30 | specifically, what's expected if there are many 505's and you have this : | |
| 16:30 | #505|<br/><br/>|{ 505a }{ 505t }{ 505r }{ 505g }{ 505u }| | |
| 16:32 | gmcharlt | ryan_: check scrollback or #koha log - was discussed this morning coincidentally |
| 16:32 | ryan_ | oh, really? |
| 16:36 | hmm.. so for a 505 which can have ‡a‡t‡g‡a‡t‡g‡a‡t‡g ... | |
| 16:37 | is it possible in isbd to display them in the order found in the tag ? | |
| 16:37 | it's displaying ‡a‡a‡a‡t‡t‡t‡g‡g‡g | |
| 16:38 | gmcharlt | ryan_: I don't think it accommodates that currently |
| 16:38 | ryan_ | gmcharlt: isbd or our implementation of it ? |
| 16:38 | gmcharlt | our implementation |
| 16:39 | MARC to ISBD in general would expect that subfield order would be retained, particularly for 505 fields | |
| 16:39 | ryan_ | gmcharlt: ok, thx |
| 16:59 | qiqo | hi |
| 16:59 | are there any developments with koha 3.0 for windowS? | |
| 17:01 | gmcharlt | qiqo: sorry, nobody's picked it up AFAIK |
| 17:02 | qiqo | ohh... ok |
| 18:36 | gmcharlt | found any better coffee yet? |
| 18:37 | chris | not yet :) there is a starbucks in the mall, its debatable wether that is even coffee though :) |
| 18:39 | nicole is coming round and we are going to all go get some lunch | |
| 18:40 | oh word of warning, the net at the conf center is locked down tight, no ssh, or irc, im just installing ajaxterm on my server at home now | |
| 18:40 | so i can get a shell on it that way :) | |
| 18:42 | eiro | hello from ... Strasbourg ... fr ! |
| 18:43 | but we had NATO conference here ;) | |
| 18:43 | chris_in_tx | there we go, irc via ajaxterm, screen and irssi |
| 18:44 | eiro | ?! |
| 18:44 | kidding ? you access remote with a browser ? | |
| 18:44 | nahuel | chris, :) |
| 18:44 | chris | yup |
| 18:44 | nahuel | eiro, you don't know ajaxterm |
| 18:44 | ? | |
| 18:44 | chris | http://antony.lesuisse.org/software/ajaxterm/ |
| 18:45 | eiro | nahuel, i discovered the web with koha ;) |
| 18:45 | wow! cool | |
| 18:45 | nahuel | eiro, ^^ |
| 18:45 | WIC ! | |
| 18:46 | WebIsCool ! | |
| 18:46 | (and not weak) | |
| 18:46 | ;p | |
| 18:47 | eiro | arf ... my guess is that we don't have better to share documentations ... so WHTFTWIC (we have to find that web is cool) |
| 18:47 | but actually: it sucks :) | |
| 18:48 | nahuel | depends minitel web sucks |
| 18:48 | "internet" rocks :) | |
| 18:48 | else open source software shouldn't be developped as well as now | |
| 18:49 | eiro | sure ... but ftp is sufficient for it :) |
| 18:49 | ;) | |
| 18:49 | nahuel | git over ftp ? |
| 18:49 | :) | |
| 18:50 | to share your work, to communicate about your projects you need more than ftp and gopher | |
| 18:50 | eiro | ok ... you got me! :-P |
| 18:50 | tell me where is the script to create authorities from biblios | |
| 18:50 | nahuel | migration_tools/ |
| 18:51 | chris | ftp eeewwww |
| 18:51 | nahuel | misc/ |
| 18:51 | chris | sftp is ok :) |
| 18:51 | gmcharlt | git over gopher! that's the tickect! ;) |
| 18:51 | chris | if you try to use ftp at my work, the sysadmins will come and hit you :) |
| 18:51 | eiro | chris, i'm kidding: it's a shame ftp still exists |
| 18:51 | scp rocks :) | |
| 18:51 | chris | yes, we have clients who want to use it, such a pain |
| 18:52 | eiro | webdav ? |
| 18:52 | nahuel | ftp over ssh of cool :) |
| 18:52 | s/of/is/ | |
| 18:52 | chris | :) |
| 18:53 | eiro | gmcharlt :-)) |
| 18:53 | chris | my other trick, was to change the port on my ssh server to be port 80 |
| 18:53 | eiro | that can be a great oss project: gopher-ng! |
| 18:53 | chris | but ajaxterm is nicer than doing that :) |
| 18:53 | eiro | nahuel, cat over ssh does the job too :) |
| 18:54 | nahuel | eiro, why do it complicated when you can do it simple ? |
| 18:54 | KISS concept | |
| 18:55 | eiro | nahuel, simple is use scp as it's done for it ... but anyway: tell me about TX! |
| 18:55 | is it great ? | |
| 18:55 | chris | hmm my phone just rang, i think nicole is here |
| 18:55 | nahuel^^ | |
| 18:55 | nahuel | chris, oik |
| 18:55 | coming | |
| 18:56 | eiro, scp for end users ? | |
| 18:56 | and what about if you don't want to give a shell access ? | |
| 18:56 | chris | yep she is in my room |
| 18:56 | nahuel | ok |
| 18:57 | eiro | nahuel, winscp for windows users, fuse for macos users, kde for linux users |
| 18:57 | nahuel | well coming in a couple of secs |
| 18:57 | eiro, well good night :) | |
| 18:57 | eiro | scponly :) |
| 18:57 | nahuel | we will talk about it later |
| 18:57 | :) | |
| 18:57 | eiro | grmbl! couard! come back here ! |
| 18:59 | oopps .. s/couard/coward/ | |
| 18:59 | it's fun: u became w | |
| 18:59 | bye all | |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | heading to airport - see y'all later |
| 20:38 | chris | its a mini conf in my room :) |
| 20:51 | nahuel | chris, "room", because it isn't a "normal" room size :p |
| 20:52 | chris | hehe |
| 21:23 | hey jo | |
| 21:23 | Jo | hi Chris |
| 21:23 | just got Rosalie on twitter so she can follow live tweets | |
| 21:23 | you well? good trip? | |
| 21:25 | eiro | class Biblibrian is coworker does Sleep { has $.eight_hours_of_night; } |
| 21:26 | cya all! | |
| 21:30 | nahuel | ^^ |
| 21:30 | oneliner :) | |
| 21:30 | eiro | no: perl6 class |
| 21:31 | chris | jo: yep lots of fun so far |
| 21:31 | eiro | perl6 is the langage for next generation ILS ;) |
| 21:34 | chris | hey Rosa :) |
| 21:35 | nahuel | eiro, perl6 class as oneline style |
| 21:36 | eiro | nahuel, AFAIS: perl6 will loose a lot of perl5 tips to perform onliners. focus is on readability |
| 21:37 | nahuel | so why it's named perl ? :) |
| 21:37 | if perl is readable, it's no more "perl" | |
| 21:37 | eiro | nahuel, because it's still more powerfull than every other langage :) |
| 21:37 | nahuel | powerfull in which sens ? |
| 21:38 | eiro | perl is readable ... but you have to learn some concepts |
| 21:38 | hmm ... wait | |
| 21:38 | nahuel | eiro, perl is unreadable for librarians :) |
| 21:39 | eiro | sub sanitize_eol { s/\\n/\n/g } |
| 21:39 | nengard | okay - you know you're a geek when you're sitting next to the people you're chatting with :) |
| 21:40 | eiro | sanitize_eol for @user{qw<resume notes>} |
| 21:40 | nahuel | nengard, talking to ? |
| 21:40 | Jo | yep ... i do that to my kids on msn sometimes in the lounge :) just to make the point there are real people to talk to as well! |
| 21:40 | nahuel | eiro, i think this is not readable for nengard or laurence |
| 21:40 | eiro | that's powerfull: easy to write and maintain ... how many lines of python for that ? |
| 21:40 | nahuel | but perhaps i'm wrong |
| 21:40 | the number of lines is not important | |
| 21:41 | eiro | nengard :)) |
| 21:41 | nengard | :) |
| 21:42 | eiro | nahuel, i think that for a librarian: python and perl are both unreadable |
| 21:42 | nahuel | don't think so :) |
| 21:42 | eiro, ready for a test ? | |
| 21:42 | gimme a function to write in python | |
| 21:43 | write it in perl like a monger, and i'll write in python | |
| 21:43 | nengard | eiro i'm a librarian :) I can read them |
| 21:43 | but i'm a special type of librarian :) i was a developer first | |
| 21:43 | nahuel | nengard, you understand this : sub sanitize_eol { s/\\n/\n/g } ? |
| 21:44 | nengard | nahuel no ..... not that :) |
| 21:45 | eiro | nengard, i mean: standard librarian |
| 21:45 | :) | |
| 21:45 | ok ... standard *french* librarian ... | |
| 21:45 | well ... beginner french librarian ? | |
| 21:45 | paul_p | hi jo ! nice to catch you on the channel. Not that common ;-) |
| 21:46 | eiro | nahuel, that was my exemple |
| 21:46 | (sanitize_eol) | |
| 21:47 | rewrite it in python :) | |
| 21:47 | Jo | hi Paul: yes nice to meet you too :) .. wish I was there too |
| 21:47 | eiro | it's impossible ... just because python doesn't work with implicity |
| 21:48 | you can lambda it ? no ... no you can't :)) | |
| 21:48 | paul_p | but I'm happy to be here anyway ! |
| 21:49 | eiro | nengard, because you don't deal with regexp ... i think the pb will be thhe same in pytnon |
| 21:49 | python | |
| 21:49 | nengard | eiro regex does confuse the heck out of me :) always has |
| 21:50 | eiro | something like regex.compile("\\n").matches(my.line).replace_with("\n").globally.please("and the bill") |
| 21:51 | nengard, that's what i want to tell to nahuel: the pb isn't the langage itself but the techniques it uses. | |
| 21:51 | nengard | eiro makes perfect sense |
| 21:52 | eiro | regex confuses librarians (and it's logical: we all have to remember the first time we seen it) |
| 21:52 | nengard, can you guess what sanitize_eol for @user{qw<resume notes>} | |
| 21:52 | does | |
| 21:53 | sanitize_eol for @user{qw<resume notes>} | |
| 21:53 | nengard | eiro i would need to look up what sanitize does - but it looks like it's cleaning up something related to the user |
| 21:53 | eiro | (sanitize_eol transform the string "\n" by an end of line) |
| 21:54 | nahuel | eiro, http://pastebin.com/d74a19672 |
| 21:54 | eiro | nahuel, and you really think it's more readable :) |
| 21:54 | nahuel | nengard, ? |
| 21:54 | nengard, http://pastebin.com/d74a19672 | |
| 21:55 | eiro | nengard, the nahuel's link is the python variant for |
| 21:55 | sub sanitize_eol { s/\\n/\n/g } | |
| 21:56 | nahuel, don't you forget /g ? | |
| 21:56 | nengard | eiro nahuel I am way out of practice and you're testing me when I'm jetlagged :) |
| 21:56 | nahuel | don't think |
| 21:56 | eiro | nengard, ok .. sorry |
| 21:57 | nahuel | eiro, it's the python api :) |
| 21:57 | nengard | eiro :) it's okay |
| 21:57 | nahuel | eiro, The optional argument count is the maximum number of pattern occurrences to be replaced; count must be a non-negative integer. If omitted or zero, all occurrences will be replaced |
| 21:57 | (from module doc) | |
| 21:58 | eiro | what ? you meant that it's so terrible to write it in python they done it for ya? this langage is impressive ;) |
| 21:59 | ok ... it's midnight there ... good night all | |
| 21:59 | nahuel | ni ? |
| 21:59 | didn't understand what you mean | |
| 22:10 | Jo | anyone seen / met up with Kathryn Greenhill yet? |
| 22:10 | chris | she is in the hotel |
| 22:10 | nahuel | chris, oh ? |
| 22:10 | why she don't come ? | |
| 22:10 | (in your room) | |
| 22:10 | chris | she said she will be here in 10-15 mins |
| 22:10 | nahuel | cool :) |
| 22:10 | Jo | ah cool. glad she got there .. she doesn't know anyone but she's a very cool lady |
| 22:11 | glad she made contact | |
| 22:11 | nahuel | into a couple of minutes we won't more oxygen |
| 22:11 | too much people in this room | |
| 22:11 | chris | i think she has already talked to some librarians in the lobby |
| 22:11 | Jo | great :) |
| 22:12 | you might need to open the door and spill into the hallway .. like a varsity hostel set up | |
| 22:13 | nahuel | ^ |
| 22:13 | from where she 'is ? | |
| 22:13 | Jo | Australia |
| 22:13 | nahuel | ok |
| 22:14 | Jo | blogger: librarians matter |
| 22:14 | nahuel | another one english accent to learn :p |
| 22:14 | Jo | she live blogs too |
| 22:16 | http://library-matters.blogspo[…]ibraries-non.html | |
| 22:28 | nahuel | just meet another librarian in the hallway |
| 22:29 | liz_nekls_ | hehe! |
| 22:29 | i'm probably upstairs | |
| 22:29 | nahuel | it was you ? |
| 22:30 | liz_nekls_ | no, but I think we're in the same physical location ;) |
| 22:30 | my gps coords are probably the same as yours | |
| 22:31 | nahuel | probably you have the same hostname |
| 22:31 | liz_nekls_ | rar |
| 22:33 | chris | we are in 108 if you want to say hi |
| 22:35 | liz_nekls_ | cool... may just do that :D |
| 23:29 | Jo | Chris: you got an updated number of many are expected to attend kohacon? |
| 00:03 | does 115 registrations for kohacon sound right? | |
| 00:37 | owen | So kohacon people, anything going on? |
| 01:45 | nahuel | hi owen |
| 01:45 | owen | Hi |
| 01:46 | nahuel | ho |
| 01:46 | you're in holiday inn ? | |
| 01:46 | (seen at your hostname | |
| 01:46 | ) | |
| 01:46 | owen | Yup, Rm. 311 |
| 01:46 | nahuel | paul and me are at 320 |
| 01:47 | trying to repair our jetlag | |
| 01:47 | (in the bed ;) ) | |
| 01:48 | hehe | |
| 01:48 | we have 7 hours of jetlag | |
| 01:55 | liz_nekls_ | oi, i'm glad to be in the same time zone |
| 01:57 | owen | Everyone remember to wear your Official KohaCon2009® Hat tomorrow so we recognize each other |
| 01:58 | liz_nekls_ | there are hats?! |
| 02:05 | nahuel | hats ? |
| 02:06 | don't think | |
| 02:06 | but perhaps :p | |
| 02:35 | SelfishMan | Anyone have any insight why apache would spit out the error "Can't locate C4/Auth.pm..." even though it shows the include path as being hte correct location? |
| 02:44 | I'm an idiot. | |
| 02:44 | Add that to the bug quotes database. | |
| 08:34 | eiro | hello |
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