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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:33 | |Lupin| | what-s biblibre btw ? |
| 11:36 | elwell | `~ |
| 11:41 | nahuel | |Lupin|, http://www.biblibre.com/ |
| 11:44 | |Lupin| | "et les bibliothèques ont besoin d'être accompagné dans leur démarche pour pouvoir tirer pleinement profit de leur potentiel": shouldn't it be accompagnéES ? |
| 11:44 | paul_p | |Lupin|: on this channel, you'll encounter frenchies from BibLibre, US ppl from LibLime, the 2 major vendors providing support on Koha & developping the software. You'll also meet a lot of other ppl, but from their own structure : either a library (like owen), or "self-employed", like slef. You can also speak to chris, the author of Koha 1.0, no more hacking Koha, but still involved (and maybe hacking again soon) |
| 11:47 | |Lupin| | paul_p: wow! many thanks for the guided tour of the chan ! nice !! |
| 11:49 | The biblibre site seems very accessible, it's great. | |
| 11:54 | paul_p | s/accompagné/accompagnées/ done |
| 11:54 | |Lupin| | cool ! |
| 11:55 | paul_p: has biblibre an office ? | |
| 11:55 | paul_p: if it has, where is it located ? | |
| 11:55 | paul_p | yep, in Marseille |
| 11:55 | (small one, 5 of us, and it's full now. The other 5 ppl are homeworking) | |
| 12:00 | |Lupin| | I see. Too bad we are not in the same city. If you guys happen to come to Paris, just let me know, may be nice to have a drink or so... |
| 12:01 | paul_p | |Lupin|: i'll be in Paris next week, for linuxconf ;-) |
| 12:03 | |Lupin| | oh yes ? I was not even aware of Linuxconf taking place in Paris... |
| 12:04 | hmm linuxconf is a conference or a tool to configure LInux ? | |
| 12:16 | jwagner | Someone around who knows how logins and authentication work? |
| 12:29 | gmcharlt | jwagner: what's your question? |
| 12:30 | jwagner | When someone logs into the staff client, does Koha set a cookie that includes the IP address? |
| 12:30 | gmcharlt | the cookie doesn't itself include the IP address |
| 12:30 | but the sessions row for the login | |
| 12:30 | does store the IP address | |
| 12:30 | if the IP address of the user changes, the user is asked to log in again | |
| 12:31 | jwagner | Sessions row is where -- table on the server side? |
| 12:31 | gmcharlt | right, the sessions table in the database |
| 12:31 | jwagner | That's what I needed to know. Thanks much! |
| 12:32 | Followup -- can you point me to the section of code that checks for an IP change? Somewhere in the Auth.pm maybe? | |
| 12:33 | gmcharlt | yes, it's in C4/Auth.pm |
| 12:33 | jwagner | Great, thanks. |
| 12:34 | |Lupin| | Just out of curiosity: Is somebody aware of another project using koha to maintain a digital library |
| 12:36 | gmcharlt | |Lupin|: it's been done - Rachel @ Katipo did it, there've been a few others |
| 12:38 | main thing is that if you're using it to link to images, PDFs, or other digital media, you'll likely want to also use a CMS to manage the digital objects | |
| 13:15 | |Lupin| | gmcharlt: hmm we already have a file server to store all the books. For us the question is rather how to store all the information regarding the different book formats we handle in the MARC fields. Some formats are generated from others, that's I think what makes the project non-trivial |
| 13:26 | owen | What's new #koha? |
| 13:27 | paul_p | hi owen. |
| 13:28 | BibLibre has sum-ed all our march travels : it's 30 000km | |
| 13:28 | considering that France is only 1000km x 1000km, that's huge ! | |
| 13:28 | that's what is new on our side ;-) | |
| 13:30 | owen | Wow, and that was just in March? |
| 13:35 | paul_p | owen: yep. |
| 13:35 | (so not counting hdl & marc going to code4lib or nahuel & me going to Dallas) | |
| 13:36 | owen | And to think I'm excited about just going to Texas ;) |
| 13:36 | paul_p | you come ? |
| 13:36 | yeah ! great news ! I thought you couldn't ! | |
| 13:38 | owen | Yeah, I couldn't resist. |
| 13:38 | paul_p | when do you arrive & return ? |
| 13:39 | |Lupin| | till soon, nice to talk to you guys ! |
| 13:39 | paul_p | (nahuel & me -and chris C, by chance- arrive on 14th, 9PM, and return on 21th, 12PM |
| 13:39 | bye |Lupin| | |
| 13:39 | owen | Arriving evening of the 15th, leaving morning of the 19th. Unfortunately I can't stay for the whole dev portion. |
| 13:40 | gmcharlt | looking forward to seeing everyone there |
| 13:43 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: do you have something for me to test on ? |
| 13:55 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: early next week |
| 13:55 | hdl_laptop | still struggling? |
| 13:56 | gmcharlt | time |
| 14:24 | fredericd | hi |
| 16:35 | slef | buh? paul_p called me self-employed? |
| 16:36 | paul_p: my company is ttllp.co.uk, a worker cooperative. | |
| 16:37 | paul_p | hi self. Sorry for this approximative writing. I knew, but was not 100% sure of the french equivalent. |
| 18:20 | chris | morning |
| 18:25 | SelfishMan | afternoon |
| 18:34 | chris | hows friday going SelfishMan |
| 18:36 | SelfishMan | pretty smooth so far, you? |
| 18:38 | chris | just woke up, so far saturday is ok :) |
| 18:39 | SelfishMan | ha ha ha |
| 18:54 | slef | Is anyone else seeing strange behaviour with Firefox 3.0.7 and Koha 3.0? I'm getting a javascript error in a jQuery plugin and broken display. |
| 18:56 | atz | slef: OPAC or STAFF? |
| 18:56 | slef | OPAC |
| 18:57 | off to try another machine with FF3.0.7 now | |
| 18:57 | atz | haven't seen that one then.... (staff had that bogus intranetuserjs problem) |
| 18:57 | jwagner | slef, what steps trigger the action? I've been using FF3.0.7 for ages with no problems on 3.0 or 3.0.1. |
| 18:58 | slef | step to reproduce: load opac |
| 18:58 | I'll just try switching them back to prog templates as a test | |
| 18:59 | jwagner | No, no problems opening the opac here. |
| 19:01 | slef | oh happy! prog template works => their template needs fixing |
| 19:01 | thanks for the help jwagner | |
| 19:01 | atz | custom templates suck |
| 19:01 | slef | koha templates suck too, regrettably |
| 19:02 | they work, but aren't flexible enough for any library I've met | |
| 19:02 | jwagner | Templates are certainly inscrutable at best.... |
| 19:02 | slef | they all have house styles they want to work |
| 19:02 | atz | jwagner: actually the whole point of TMPL is readability |
| 19:02 | and translatability | |
| 19:03 | chris | as far as translatability goes they actually work pretty well |
| 19:03 | atz | XSL is far more inscrutable, but that's what's needed for the kind of flexibility slef is talking about |
| 19:04 | yeah, i have to agree w/ chris... imagine every feature you wanted to add, having to translate it to hebrew, russian, chinese, maori, etc. | |
| 19:05 | chris | english with less z's in it :) |
| 19:05 | atz | heh |
| 19:06 | gmcharlt | and more ou's? |
| 19:06 | chris | yep :) |
| 19:06 | and a few more e's | |
| 19:07 | thats how you can tell who writes a post on my blog, my wife or I | |
| 19:07 | "Sometimes my wife writes posts for it also. You can usually spot them, they are usually funnier, have z’s instead of s, and miss out u’s." | |
| 19:08 | owen | :) I'm friends with a couple who both post to the same blog without telling anyone who's who. Drives me crazy. |
| 19:11 | chris | heh yeah that could get confusing |
| 19:18 | so apparently its 12249.538 km from my house to the hotel in plano | |
| 19:18 | so ill rack up 24,000km ... ill catch up to biblibre yet ;) | |
| 19:19 | i love google earth | |
| 19:25 | atz | gmcharlt: any problems w/ adding SQL::Beautify dependency for Guided Reports? |
| 19:26 | it should help insulate our internal SQL hacking by making the input more reliable | |
| 19:29 | gmcharlt | as long as there are test cases |
| 19:30 | SQL::Beautify is young | |
| 19:30 | atz | indeed, you might notice that I submitted a bug on it already |
| 19:31 | supposedly the code is derived from an older SQL::Tidy ? | |
| 19:33 | our allowed set of queries for guided reports keep things from getting very interesting for their sql parsing though... | |
| 19:34 | gmcharlt | except for part that lets user input arbitrary SQL |
| 19:34 | atz | still SELECT only, no subqueries |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | ideally want a cross of SQL::Parser and SQL::Abstract |
| 19:37 | atz | ... and not have to write it ourselves |
| 19:37 | there was a time when i did hardcore parsing in ANTLR | |
| 19:38 | gmcharlt | well, as far as generating queries is concerned, SQL::Abstract would do it |
| 19:38 | for SQL that users supply directly, can leave as is (except for filtering out inserts, create table, etc.) | |
| 19:38 | and just use SQL::Beautify to pretty-print | |
| 19:39 | atz | yeah, i want to pretty print too |
| 19:39 | in part for my own sanity when users are like "why doesn't my frankenbeast quadruple JOIN query work like I want?" | |
| 19:40 | liz_nekls | hehe frankenbeast query |
| 19:40 | sounds terrifying | |
| 20:00 | chris | gmcharlt: are clay and john coming to the dev part of the kohacon? |
| 20:01 | id love to chat with them about memcached, share somethings we discovered building the new stuff site | |
| 20:02 | maybe we can organise an irc chat for interested people, if not | |
| 20:03 | gmcharlt | clay has to leave Friday evening |
| 20:04 | an IRC backchannel is a good idea | |
| 20:05 | chris | least we will all be in the same timezone or closish |
| 20:05 | gmcharlt | same continent, at any rate :) |
| 20:05 | atz | chris: physically |
| 20:06 | i expect the jet lag would be huuuge | |
| 20:08 | chris | it shouldnt be too bad for me |
| 20:08 | as i land at 9.30pm | |
| 20:08 | as long as i go straight to bed | |
| 20:08 | i should be ok | |
| 20:09 | the trick is staying awake on the flights | |
| 20:09 | so i arrrive tired, have a good nights sleep and ok | |
| 20:09 | it kills ya when you travel 24 hours or so and then arrive at like 5am and have to try and stay awake all day | |
| 20:10 | atz | yeah, i couldn't even pretend to do that |
| 20:11 | chris | the only time i ever signed an nda |
| 20:11 | was when that happened to me | |
| 20:11 | :) | |
| 20:11 | landed in colorado, got ambushed by exlibris who wouldnt let me into the building without signing an nda, and i was tired and disoriented :) | |
| 20:12 | atz | :\ |
| 20:13 | chris | now i plan the travel a bit more carefully :) |
| 20:13 | always try and land at night | |
| 20:14 | although coming back i land at 9.30am .. so that day will be a writeoff | |
| 20:18 | im flying airnz so ill do the lotr marathon again i think :) | |
| 20:24 | gmcharlt | LOTR is a permanent fixture on that arline, I take it? |
| 20:25 | brendan | The extended version should get you through |
| 20:30 | chris | gmcharlt: yep, they have a bunch of nz movies |
| 20:30 | gmcharlt | as they should, I would think |
| 20:30 | chris | fastest indian, whale rider, lotr etc permanently |
| 20:30 | and rotate the others | |
| 20:30 | its all seatback now, so you can choose much better | |
| 20:31 | and dont all have to watch the same one, and all try to go to the toilet at the same time :) | |
| 20:31 | gmcharlt | when it actually works - had a bad experience with a seatback system on Delta the other month |
| 20:31 | chris | ahhh |
| 20:31 | yeah, i always take a couple of novels just in case ;) | |
| 20:32 | gmcharlt | yeah, kind of hard for a book's sound system to fail |
| 20:33 | chris | :) |
| 20:36 | wasnt there a recent furore over kindles and audio books? | |
| 20:37 | owen | Yeah, the new Kindle had a "read aloud" feature |
| 20:37 | atz | what, are publishers crying "infringement"? |
| 20:37 | like the world of screen readers hasn't existed for decades.... | |
| 20:38 | owen | Yeah, because they separately license the "performing rights" or somesuch. |
| 20:38 | atz | i would say they license a totally separate work that is the audio recording |
| 20:38 | and tough cookies to them. | |
| 20:39 | owen | ...and there's a world of difference between having your computer read something and having an actor perform the text for an audio book. |
| 20:39 | atz | yeah, the regular consumer of such things would rarely, if ever prefer the machine reading |
| 20:40 | but assuming correctness in implementation, it would be useful to say, "how would I pronounce this word?" | |
| 20:40 | or have it read to you while you are doing something else w/ your hands/eyes | |
| 20:41 | chris | yeah |
| 21:15 | working late on friday liz_nekls ? | |
| 21:20 | liz_nekls | only 4:20p here ;) |
| 21:20 | chris | ahh, well late for a friday then :-) |
| 21:20 | my brain usually switches off around 3pm | |
| 21:20 | liz_nekls | hehe, late as in "staying for all the hours I"m paid to be here for" |
| 21:20 | chris | hehe |
| 21:20 | liz_nekls | but yea, I checked out a couple of hours ago |
| 21:21 | though I did have a look through all of the spectacular work you all have been doing | |
| 21:21 | i hadn't checked git for a while and whoa | |
| 21:21 | holy criminy y'all have been busy | |
| 21:24 | chris | ive only been busy over on the 3.0.x branch |
| 21:24 | but the other developers have been doing tons and tons | |
| 21:26 | atz | nothings been committed for 2 weeks though... there's a lot more pending |
| 22:03 | liz_nekls | ttyl folks... chris, enjoy your saturday ;) |
| 23:58 | imp | is there a way to get rid of complete sections in the marc framework? |
| 23:59 | gmcharlt | what do you mean by complete sections? |
| 00:01 | imp | something like 6** |
| 00:01 | (a range of record fields) | |
| 00:01 | chris | by running some sql you could, im not sure you would end up with somethign that still worked though :) |
| 00:02 | imp | hmm |
| 00:02 | gmcharlt | have you loaded any bibs yet? |
| 00:02 | imp | ? |
| 00:03 | we are right now at zero ;) | |
| 00:03 | gmcharlt | and your records won't have 6xx fields? |
| 00:05 | imp | can't remember that they needed anything from 6xx |
| 00:06 | it's just a little bit confusing for them to see all the fields - so i try to make it stupid simple right now | |
| 00:06 | gmcharlt | it's probably safer to use SQL to hide all of the 6xx from the editor view, rather than delete them outright |
| 00:09 | imp | hm, there's no way to select a field from the "default" marc record to add if i deleted something, i guess? |
| 00:14 | gmcharlt | not at present |
| 00:16 | imp | think it'll be a nice feature |
| 03:58 | how can i change the language of the "search"/user interface? (already changed the languages available for the opac interface, but it had no effect on the user page) |
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