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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:00 | [Xwire] | both ie6 and 7 |
| 11:00 | hdl_laptop | .... use of FF is recommended for Intranet. |
| 11:00 | [Xwire] | http://libraryadmin.raresites.[…]11_882959&result= |
| 11:02 | yea, that isn't going to happen for me | |
| 11:03 | shouldn't have spaces in urls anyways, this must be an oversight | |
| 11:04 | i use ff myself most of the time, but i can't convince everyone else | |
| 11:17 | ok i submitted a bug report | |
| 12:41 | jwagner | Is Joe Atzberger around? |
| 12:43 | mc | jwagner: joe is atz |
| 12:44 | jwagner | Thanks mc -- I see he's logged in, but didn't know if he was active at the moment. |
| 12:52 | greenmang0 | any marceditor software for linux? |
| 12:52 | slef: | |
| 12:53 | Elwell: ^^ | |
| 13:00 | owen | greenmang0: There are some results for a search for "marcedit linux", but not necessarily promising: http://lists.katipo.co.nz/publ[…]March/011260.html |
| 13:02 | greenmang0 | owen: i hate WINE |
| 13:02 | owen: that's why | |
| 13:02 | ;) | |
| 13:40 | hdl_laptop | !seen atz |
| 13:40 | jwagner: here was the last time joe was seen active | |
| 13:42 | jwagner | Thanks -- I have a question for him if he pops up today. |
| 13:44 | hdl_laptop | you can ask either pm or on chan with "pinging" him, he will read, an may answer as soon as he logsin |
| 13:46 | jwagner | Thanks hdl_laptop! |
| 14:35 | owen | Anyone remember the HTML::Template syntax for outputting a LOOP's row number? |
| 14:50 | atz | __count__ i think |
| 14:51 | __counter__ rather | |
| 14:52 | jwagner | atz, I was looking for you earlier -- good to see you pop up. On the listserv Friday, when I asked about MaxFine, you said you thought it might be a case problem "my problem was that the case of the syspref (MaxFine) and it's invocation (maxFine) differed" -- any followup on that? I looked at the fines.pl script but couldn't see where it was invoking MaxFine at all. Thanks. |
| 14:54 | atz | jwagner: it's in an interior module (C4/Overdues) in the CalcFine function |
| 14:54 | owen | Thanks atz that worked. |
| 14:57 | jwagner | atz, found the line "$amount = C4::Context->preference('maxFine') if(C4::Context->preference('maxFine') && ( $amount > C4::Context->preference('maxFine'))); |
| 14:57 | " -- your theory is that the call of maxFine is the problem? If I change that in Overdues.pm the fines should start paying attention to the MaxFine setting? | |
| 14:58 | atz | i have no insight on this one. CacFine already pays attention to MaxFine in that line. |
| 15:00 | jwagner | Hmm. I'll try changing the case and see if it helps -- the system appears to be ignoring that setting now. Thanks much for your help! |
| 15:19 | hdl_laptop | atz: Is there any chance to see Galen ? |
| 15:19 | !seen gmcharlt | |
| 15:22 | mc | kf |
| 15:22 | oops... sorry | |
| 15:22 | hello koha people | |
| 16:03 | atz | hdl_laptop: haven't seen him today |
| 19:06 | owen | Anyone around familiar with C4::Biblio::get_koha_field_from_marc() ? |
| 19:08 | pianohacker | owen: If no one else is around, I could take your question, though I don't have extensive experience with it (besides dealing with its bastard 2.2.9 ancestor) |
| 19:09 | owen | I'm curious whether it's the preferred way of pulling a subtitle |
| 19:10 | Koha in general has such poor handling of subtitle I'd love to use that in places I see it could do some good. | |
| 19:11 | pianohacker | I think it is; catalogue/detail.pl uses it (line 68) |
| 19:12 | Really, it should be integrated into C4::Biblio::TransformMarcToKoha | |
| 19:13 | owen | Then I wonder, is there a disadvantage to calling GetMarcBiblio() just to get the subtitle...I don't know how to judge when something is going to slow down a script |
| 19:31 | chris | morning |
| 19:31 | owen | Hi chris |
| 19:33 | pianohacker | That depends; some scripts already do so, of course. Where are you thinking of putting it? |
| 19:36 | chris | owen: there is a slight overheard |
| 19:36 | if its already been called and the value has been assigned to a variable then that overhead has already been paid | |
| 19:37 | pianohacker | Yup |
| 19:39 | atz | :q |
| 19:40 | chris | heh |
| 19:40 | atz | nah, i'm tring to lick my nose. |
| 19:41 | chris | owen is the subtitle not returned with GetBiblioData ? |
| 19:43 | pianohacker | chris: No, because there is no database column for it |
| 19:44 | chris | ah, it doesnt look at the bibliosubtitle table eh |
| 19:44 | stink | |
| 19:44 | in that case what you did is your best bet owen | |
| 19:44 | owen | The bibliosubtitle table doesn't exist anymore |
| 19:44 | pianohacker | chris: I think that table was eliminated in 3.0 |
| 19:44 | <jinx> | |
| 19:44 | Anyway, there's an RFC to get it back: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]32_subtitle_field | |
| 19:44 | chris | ohh, so its only in the marc? |
| 19:44 | cool | |
| 19:45 | owen | Seems like we're at the point where trying to create new tables or columns for MARC data is just too limiting |
| 19:46 | chris | well recreate in this case :) |
| 19:46 | seems we are at the point where MARC is too limiting if you ask me :-) | |
| 19:46 | owen | Well, no one will argue with you there |
| 19:47 | chris | i think with zebra being able to index anything we describe |
| 19:47 | it would be fun to play with storing other representations in a column like we currently do marcxml | |
| 19:47 | i might have to do a prototype | |
| 19:48 | but first i must drink coffee | |
| 19:49 | pianohacker | chris: Do you mean something like MODS, or dublin-core ? |
| 19:49 | chris | i was thinking dublin-core to start, cos its smaller and easier :) but no reason why not MODS too |
| 19:50 | i think the corporate libraries would like to be able to catalogue in dublin-core | |
| 19:50 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 19:51 | Of course, there's the problem of keeping everything in sync | |
| 19:52 | Not to mention differing standards; corporate libraries would likely not enter something like "The mythical man-month /" in their dc:title field | |
| 19:52 | chris | yeah, i was thinking more you choose your representation (much like you choose unimarc or marc21 now) |
| 19:52 | pianohacker | Oh; so something like a biblio.sourcedata column? |
| 19:52 | chris | and we have conversion routines for import/export if you wanted to go to another format |
| 19:52 | yeah, something like that would be kinda neat | |
| 19:53 | pianohacker: are you going to kohacon? | |
| 19:53 | hdl_laptop | chris++ |
| 19:53 | pianohacker | chris: Unfortunately, no; I'm already committed to present at a Colorado conference |
| 19:54 | chris | dang, i was thinking we could take a few hours and hash out a plan |
| 19:54 | hdl_laptop | problem would be with input frameworks and all our stuff which supposes always 2 and only 2 levels before data. |
| 19:55 | chris | yep |
| 19:55 | imp | http://www.koha.org/irc/ -> 404 |
| 19:55 | pianohacker | It would be a 3.4, 3.6 change at the earliest |
| 19:56 | chris | definitely |
| 19:56 | but its good to be thnking about it | |
| 19:56 | hdl_laptop | But, if Biblios is to be the cataloguing tool, then Adding xslt and frameworks would be OK. |
| 19:56 | pianohacker: rather 4.0 | |
| 19:56 | but maybe 3.6 | |
| 19:56 | chris | i think 3.4 would be small marc framework |
| 19:59 | for the small corporates | |
| 19:59 | that looks really non-marcy .. and just a little option when installing | |
| 19:59 | do you understand marc yes/no ? :) | |
| 20:00 | pianohacker | "Who is 'MARC' and what does he want with me?" |
| 20:01 | chris | or MARC21, UNIMARC or WTF? |
| 20:01 | pianohacker | Hehe |
| 20:09 | chris: Is there a particularly active time of day/week on this channel? We could at least hash out a plan that way, though it wouldn't be as good as in-person | |
| 20:10 | hdl_laptop | chris: hidemarc should do that, unless it is deprecated. |
| 20:11 | pianohacker: we used to having some irc meeting to discuss plans. | |
| 20:12 | And we are having meetings now with Galen in order to synchronize and organize more clearly | |
| 20:12 | It is not enough, but it is a good start. | |
| 20:13 | pianohacker | Most definitely. Should we start agitating for another on this subject? It's more than important enough |
| 20:14 | Jo | Morning all |
| 20:14 | pianohacker | Jo: Hello |
| 20:16 | brendan | how about through the chat topics -- get more then just a few peoples opinions and allow more people to join in. |
| 20:16 | chris | hdl_laptop: it kinda is dprecated |
| 20:17 | hdl_laptop | brendan: pianohacker koha-devel could be a good start also for asking for ppl to have a meeting. |
| 20:18 | chris | yeah maybe we should have fortnightly (once every 2 weeks) town halls |
| 20:18 | where ppl build an agenda in the weeks leading up | |
| 20:23 | brendan | I'd be more than willing to help anyone - come up with agenda items -please feel free to contact me... |
| 20:23 | chris | hey jo :) |
| 20:25 | pianohacker | http://www.tinychat.com/ might be a good way to remove the IRC barrier |
| 20:26 | chris | http://webchat.mibbit.com/ |
| 20:26 | might mean that us people who like irc can still use it, and the bot logs it etc | |
| 20:26 | but those who dont can use a nice web interface | |
| 20:27 | we could put a widget up somewhere to make it easy | |
| 20:27 | mibbit_chris | its pretty nifty |
| 20:28 | hdl_laptop | yeah. |
| 20:43 | imp | pianohacker: fixing the 404 from www.koha.org/irc will help also ;) |
| 20:44 | pianohacker | chris: chriiiiis? |
| 20:44 | chris | yep? |
| 20:45 | imp: yep someone at liblime will need to sort that out they will probably see the logs .. but if you want to be sure, file a bug a bugs.koha.org ? | |
| 20:46 | imp | ok |
| 20:47 | chris | thanks :) |
| 20:49 | imp | just have to figure out where i finally found the link to www.koha.org/irc :D |
| 20:50 | chris | heh |
| 20:51 | imp | ha, got it - in the left box from the download site |
| 20:52 | chris | the download site? |
| 20:52 | url? | |
| 20:52 | imp | http://www.koha.org/download/ |
| 20:52 | chris | cool |
| 20:52 | imp | (right below related pages) |
| 22:15 | hdl_laptop | good night |
| 22:16 | chris | night hdl |
| 22:16 | sleep well | |
| 23:18 | pianohacker | chris: thanks for handling that |
| 23:18 | chris | who what where? |
| 23:22 | pianohacker | imp |
| 23:23 | chris | ahh right |
| 23:32 | imp | pianohacker: ? |
| 23:33 | pianohacker | imp: nothing |
| 23:34 | imp | the mail with the pw was a little bit slow |
| 02:12 | Gnewt | Does anyone have a good Z39.50 to reccomend? I need one to use for a small private library, for the lookup function. |
| 03:00 | mason | Gnewt: depends where in the world you are |
| 03:00 | Gnewt | Washington, USA |
| 03:01 | mason | heres a good list .. |
| 03:01 | http://targettest.indexdata.co[…]nd.html?dc.title=^a*&_sort=dc.title&_count=9999&_search=Search | |
| 03:02 | Gnewt | Sweet |
| 03:02 | thanks mason! | |
| 03:02 | mason | LOC is good for the USA.. |
| 03:02 | http://targettest.indexdata.co[…]ss&_search=Search | |
| 03:03 | np | |
| 07:21 | [Xwire] | I am setting up a small ils for a research organization, and a girl who has studied library sciences wants openbiblio installed, i just finished installing koha, any reason not to use openbiblio? |
| 07:32 | chris | i dont know anything about openbiblio |
| 07:32 | bagging other systems is a proprietary vendor thing to do :) | |
| 07:53 | SelfishMan | ha |
| 08:07 | fredericd | hi |
| 08:08 | chris | hi fredericd |
| 08:10 | fredericd | chris: hello. I've seen you push translation files into maintenance branch. Any reason why you don't push them also in HEAD? |
| 08:12 | chris | because they are for the 3.0 branch |
| 08:13 | when we get a string freeze for 3.2, i will get the translators working on that (and will msgmerge the files over) | |
| 08:13 | hdl_laptop | hi |
| 08:14 | fredericd | obvious... |
| 08:17 | chris | :) HEAD (or in git speak master) changes to much at the moment translating against that would be frustrating :) |
| 08:22 | [Xwire] | ok, thanks, I was hoping to hear something like openbiblio sucks because...., but i am new to ils's although i do know that openbiblio is really just a toy |
| 08:23 | how bad is the learning curve of koha for a newbie? i think that is their real concern | |
| 08:24 | chris | not too bad, if you follow the newbie guide and the manual |
| 08:25 | http://www.pakban.net/brooke/tut/newbie.html | |
| 08:26 | [Xwire] | this is great! thanks! |
| 08:57 | anasha | chris: hi |
| 08:58 | chris | hi anasha |
| 08:58 | anasha | hows you ? |
| 08:58 | chris | good thanks, and you? |
| 08:58 | anasha | I am fine |
| 08:58 | i have one question | |
| 08:59 | i have just complete koha installation at indian navy | |
| 09:00 | chris | oh cool |
| 09:01 | anasha | where in i wanted my companies name to be at koha site http://www.koha.org/support/pay.html |
| 09:02 | chris | have you read http://koha.org/support/companyinfo.html |
| 09:02 | anasha | but unfortunatly i can not give the opec link of koha at indian navy |
| 09:02 | yes | |
| 09:02 | chris | and sent the email to approvalskoha.org? |
| 09:03 | anasha | ok |
| 09:03 | i will do it today itself | |
| 09:03 | thanks | |
| 09:03 | chris | no problem |
| 09:16 | got it | |
| 09:16 | just needed a new kernel | |
| 10:27 | paul_p | sweet dreams chris |
| 10:27 | hdl_laptop | good night |
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