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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 15:37 | owen | acmoore and anyone: Please file a bug report for any javascript errors you encounter. I fix any I find, so if you find one it's one I don't know about. |
| 15:38 | acmoore | owen: thanks, it was actually my problem. I had bogus info in my intranetuserjs syspref. I removed it and everything seems OK. |
| 15:38 | but, I'll file any I run across. Thanks! | |
| 15:39 | owen | I got worried when I read chris saying "its known" that many pages have errors. |
| 15:39 | addLoadEvent sounds like a very old something from dev_week | |
| 15:57 | atz_ | owen: it really was just some bogus stuff in intranetuserjs that got seeded into sysprefs |
| 15:57 | i end up cleaning it from most of our clients setups | |
| 16:01 | acmoore | I removed it from my set up ages ago, but I rebuild my development database from a "known good copy" occasionally. Apparently, it's "known bad" now. |
| 21:40 | acmoore_ | If I turn on 'warnings' in C4::Biblio, I get a ton of "subroutine redefined" warnings. Is that because of circular dependencies between the C4 modules? |
| 21:40 | chris | yep |
| 21:40 | acmoore_ | lovely. |
| 21:41 | chris | it actually isnt that 'hard' to fix, but it will be time consuming :( |
| 21:42 | acmoore | was that for koha? |
| 21:42 | chris | nope, another project |
| 21:43 | i think with koha tons of things have use C4::Biblio | |
| 21:43 | including probably most all of the things that C4::Biblio uses :) | |
| 21:47 | acmoore | I count 14 C4:/*.pm modules that use it. I'd like to be able to remove the single one that is causing the problem, but I have a feeling that this is the type of problem that grows larger and more painful the longer you look into it. |
| 21:49 | chris | yep |
| 21:50 | there will most likely be a function that it needs in there, so you cant just remove the use | |
| 21:53 | acmoore | it seems like something like C4::Koha or something could 'use' all of these modules, and then they wouldn't have to use each other. But, then, they wouldn't really be independently usable. |
| 21:53 | chris | *nod* |
| 21:54 | and if C4::Koha used C4::Biblio | |
| 21:54 | and C4::Biblio used C4::Koha .. back where we started ;) | |
| 21:54 | acmoore | I didn't figure that the second part was necessary. |
| 21:55 | chris | more likely |
| 21:55 | C4::Koha uses C4::Biblio | |
| 21:55 | C4::Biblio uses C4::Item | |
| 21:55 | C4::Item uses C4::Koha (to make use of something else) | |
| 21:56 | acmoore | yeah, I figured that with the change, none of them would use C4::Koha either. |
| 21:57 | chris | my guess would be that C4::Biblio would need to use C4::Koha to get to some functions it needs |
| 21:57 | but that C4::Koha would need to use C4::Biblio to provide functions to things like C4::Search | |
| 21:57 | acmoore | that was the "not independently usable" part. |
| 21:57 | chris | if that makes sense |
| 21:58 | yep | |
| 21:58 | whiteboard ans some time is what you need | |
| 21:58 | draw out the dependencies, and get rid of the circular ones | |
| 21:58 | acmoore | I can't think of anything that would need to use C4::Biblio (or any other module) and not need to use C4::Koha. |
| 21:59 | chris | no thats fine |
| 21:59 | as long as C4::Biblio doesnt use C4::Koha | |
| 21:59 | acmoore | yeah. |
| 21:59 | but, I don't think I'm about to make this change, at least now. | |
| 21:59 | chris | *nod* |
| 22:02 | ryan | anyone know offhand where UPC is stored in MARC21 ? |
| 22:03 | chris | i dont even know what UPC is :) |
| 22:03 | gmcharlt | ryan: closed is EAN in 024 |
| 22:04 | closest, even | |
| 22:04 | chris: do you know what an EAN is? ;) | |
| 22:04 | chris | only in the context of barcodes |
| 22:04 | gmcharlt | well, that's what it is |
| 22:04 | chris | ah right |
| 22:06 | ryan | ah, 024 with ind1=1 |
| 22:07 | acmoore | holy cow. I commented out 3 arbitrary 'use' statements from C4::Biblio and it doesn't complain aboutredefined subs or undefined subs and it appears to work. I wonder if I stumbled upon a reasonable soliution. |
| 22:07 | ryan | i see danny's recent patch looks at ind1 = '3' to mean ean , but loc says that means 'International Article Number ' |
| 22:08 | is ean == ian ? | |
| 22:08 | gmcharlt | acmoore: we should be so lucky - hope that survives detailed testing |
| 22:08 | chris | only if Europe is the new world ryan :) |
| 22:09 | ryan | looks like yes , according to oclc... 3 International Article Number (EAN) |
| 22:10 | gmcharlt | ryan: yes, 024.3 = EAN |
| 22:12 | ryan | gmcharlt: thx for confirmation |
| 22:13 | chris | awesome Europe now = International .. that makes life easier :) |
| 22:13 | ryan | chris: i thought america was the new world "/ |
| 22:13 | chris | seems you have been replaced :) |
| 22:15 | ryan: are you over in the new offices? | |
| 22:17 | ryan | chris: no, actually movers are coming to the athens office tomorrow to load up. |
| 22:17 | chris | ahh cool |
| 22:17 | am i right in remembering easton is the area that has the huge shopping mall thing? | |
| 22:21 | ryan | yep -- they call it a 'town centre', basically a mallified little town. |
| 22:21 | or a townified big mall? | |
| 22:21 | chris | :) |
| 22:23 | gmcharlt | chris: an example of the beast: http://www.townoftioga.com/ |
| 22:24 | chris | ahhh |
| 22:25 | or even http://eastontowncenter.com/ | |
| 22:26 | looking very festive | |
| 22:26 | kados | http://liblime.com/about/locations |
| 22:26 | there's a snapshot of the new office | |
| 22:26 | chris | you guys certainly dont do half measures when it comes to holidays ;-) |
| 22:26 | kados | those three windows are our new board room |
| 22:27 | and the upstairs area window on the slanted roof is gonna be Sara's room IIRC | |
| 22:27 | chris | ohh cool looking building |
| 22:27 | kados | though we're still divvying stuff out |
| 22:27 | ryan | yeah, this developer builds similar malls all round the country, with the same core retailers. |
| 22:28 | chris | close to home, far from ordinary :) |
| 22:28 | you sure as hell arent going to be short of places to eat | |
| 22:28 | http://eastontowncenter.com/Dining.aspx | |
| 22:28 | kados | yea, it's like downtown Wellington :-) |
| 22:29 | well, probably less Indian resturaunts though ... /me recalls some good eateries in NZ | |
| 22:29 | chris | more mexican though |
| 22:29 | it balances out :) | |
| 22:29 | kados | heh |
| 22:30 | wow, that easton website's fancy | |
| 22:30 | chris | sure is |
| 22:30 | the search is pretty nice | |
| 22:31 | http://eastontowncenter.com/te[…]=4016TownsfairWay | |
| 22:31 | found you guys :) | |
| 22:32 | kados | heh |
| 22:33 | we lucked out on the space, we happen to be the first space in that building near that entrance | |
| 22:33 | chris | sweet |
| 22:33 | kados | but it's a much larger building with lots of retail downstairs and office spaces upstairs |
| 22:35 | chris | spotya later |
| 22:45 | Jo | Hi there |
| 22:46 | Can anyone tell me whether Koha 3.0 can be used for a consortia of libraries, or only Evergreen | |
| 22:47 | chris | no |
| 22:47 | not only evergreen i mean | |
| 22:47 | its in use in a lot of consortia already | |
| 22:48 | http://www.nekls.org/ <-- one | |
| 22:48 | http://catalog.nexpresslibrary.org/ thats their koha | |
| 22:48 | there is ckls, masscat, and tons more | |
| 22:48 | the liblime guys will be able to give you a bunch more examples | |
| 22:49 | http://liblime.com/demos | |
| 22:49 | some urls at the bottom there | |
| 22:49 | masscat is pretty huge | |
| 22:50 | like more libraries than there are in the whole of nz huge | |
| 23:01 | Jo | thats great - thanks Chris. |
| 23:02 | (wanders off to lunch ..) | |
| 23:06 | liz-nekls | yea about catalog.nexpresslibrary.org... it's apparently broken? |
| 23:07 | chris | yikes so it is |
| 23:07 | it was working when i pasted that url in tho | |
| 23:07 | so its broken in the last 18 mins | |
| 23:07 | liz-nekls | yea, bizarre |
| 23:08 | chris | looks like mysql has locked up |
| 23:08 | liz-nekls | i'm hoping one of those magic folks at liblime will see this message, they're hosting it |
| 23:08 | chris | atz,gmcharlt,ryan,acmoore |
| 23:08 | my client beeps when someone says my name, so that might make theirs beep :) | |
| 23:09 | liz-nekls | haha |
| 23:11 | gmcharlt | chris, liz-nekls: cfouts is looking into it |
| 23:11 | chris | sweet |
| 23:11 | liz-nekls | tyvm |
| 23:11 | chris | the one name i missed typing :) |
| 23:11 | liz-nekls | thx vhris :) |
| 23:12 | chris* | |
| 23:12 | gmcharlt | [ and for the record, my IRC client makes a gentle pop, it does not beep ;) ] |
| 23:12 | liz-nekls | hehe |
| 23:12 | chris | gmcharlt: id be interested what the error was, i havent seen that one before |
| 23:12 | Sharon | it appears to be back up. Thank you. |
| 23:12 | liz-nekls | woot ty cfouts |
| 23:13 | gmcharlt | chris: quoth cfouts, he hasn't seen it before either |
| 23:13 | Sharon | if it matters for troubleshooting - TEST and PROD went down, but LOAD stayed up during this outage |
| 23:15 | liz-nekls | maybe something to do with too many connections to the database half of the server (this may be a nub suggestion, I don't know how you have the infrastructure set up) |
| 23:25 | that was awesome, only 7 minutes down :) | |
| 23:28 | cfouts | it apparently was a result of accumulated connection errors. |
| 23:28 | mysql 5.0 counts the remote host connection errors it sees. once that count reaches a certain threshold (10 by default) is stops accepting connections from that host. | |
| 23:29 | liz-nekls | hmm |
| 23:30 | cfouts | if your servers are handling hundreds of connections per second and the db runs for months at a stretch, there's a good likelihood of reaching that threshold, even with solid 1GB ethernet connecting them. |
| 23:30 | liz-nekls | hehehehe very true |
| 23:31 | i was going to ask if it was localhost connections or separate machine connections ^.^ | |
| 23:31 | cfouts | different machines. we actually have a flock of apache servers talking to a mysql server. |
| 23:31 | liz-nekls | a flock, I like that |
| 23:31 | or a gaggle | |
| 23:33 | soooo.. increase the tolerance for connection errors? | |
| 23:34 | gmcharlt | cfouts++ |
| 23:35 | liz-nekls | indeed, cfouts++ |
| 23:35 | cfouts | increasing the hard limit requires server restart, so I'm just flushing the counters periodically. |
| 23:35 | liz-nekls | cool, works for me. |
| 23:39 | Sharon | I'm glad we had this channel to come to after 5! Thanks again. |
| 04:51 | library | hi |
| 08:44 | Amit | hi |
| 08:44 | koha | |
| 08:44 | hi hdl mason | |
| 10:28 | chris | *sigh* |
| 10:29 | SelfishMan | eh? |
| 10:30 | chris | oh just answering emails before be |
| 10:30 | d | |
| 10:30 | SelfishMan | I'm sorry. Want my inbox instead? |
| 10:30 | chris | depends how much is in it :) |
| 10:30 | SelfishMan | about 1600 unread messages from the last 18 hours |
| 10:30 | chris | i only have 2831 in my work one |
| 10:31 | yep ill swap then, net gain :) | |
| 10:31 | SelfishMan | on second thought... |
| 10:31 | OK, I now officially fear the MARC record | |
| 10:32 | chris | i pushed past fear a few years ago |
| 10:32 | i just loathe them now :) | |
| 10:32 | SelfishMan | I was that way before I started dealing with them and now I'm traumatized |
| 10:32 | chris | heh |
| 10:33 | right, i need to be awake in 7 hours to go to work, i probably should hit the hay | |
| 10:33 | SelfishMan | sleep well then |
| 10:33 | kf | g |
| 10:33 | sleep well chris | |
| 10:33 | chris | good luck not going mental looking at MARC |
| 10:34 | SelfishMan | The scary thing is they are fluid and natural for me to read now and about as much fun as reading a phone book |
| 10:35 | kf | im not there yet |
| 10:36 | SelfishMan | I hope for your sake you never make it that far |
| 10:36 | kf | i have some experts around at work... so chances are good |
| 10:37 | SelfishMan | So do I but one of them handed me a book on MARC basics from 1991. I haven't opened it yet but I took that as a hint to learn what they are. :-P |
| 10:37 | kf | g |
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