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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:17 | slef | kados: I'm keener on the project's best interests being protected |
| 12:58 | nahuel | gmcharlt, hi |
| 12:58 | gmcharlt | hi nahuel |
| 12:59 | nahuel | gmcharlt, paul asked me to contact you about the virtual shelves |
| 12:59 | gmcharlt | nahuel: yep, just sent an email to you and Allen Reinmeyer |
| 12:59 | nahuel: I had assigned Allen several bugs from bugs.koha.org | |
| 13:00 | and he's been working on them | |
| 13:00 | and it looks like around the same time you started working on similar bugs | |
| 13:00 | so I've asked Allen to contact you | |
| 13:00 | so that the two of you can avoid duplicate work | |
| 13:00 | nahuel | ok, just received your email |
| 13:00 | yes of course | |
| 13:01 | gmcharlt | also, please check bugs.koha.org for duplicates |
| 13:01 | for example, I think your 2766 is a duplicate | |
| 13:01 | nahuel | I checked it |
| 13:01 | gmcharlt | (also, Version generally should not be set to unspecified in a bug - should be HEAD or rel_3_0 as needed) |
| 13:01 | anyway, I need to step away for a moment to drive my wife to work | |
| 13:01 | back in half an hour | |
| 13:02 | nahuel | every time I search if an existing bug exists, and don't find anything |
| 13:02 | so I create a new bug | |
| 13:02 | ok, ttyl | |
| 15:18 | Amit | hi |
| 15:18 | slef | |
| 15:30 | owen | gmcharlt: are you around? |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | hi owen |
| 15:36 | owen | Hi gmcharlt. I'm getting myself confused about git again. |
| 15:36 | So, I submitted a patch for to change the opac layout. It had problems, so I've made some changes to address them. | |
| 15:37 | Better to create a new branch and put the new changes together with the changes from the other patch and resubmit? | |
| 15:39 | gmcharlt | owen: if it's more fixes to the first patch, not adding on, replacing the patch and resubmiting is a good idea |
| 15:39 | you can use git rebase --interactive origin to merge the two patches into one | |
| 15:40 | owen | Even if I've rebase since the first patch was generated? |
| 15:40 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 15:41 | flow would be fetch and rebase to sync up with the rest of the world | |
| 15:41 | then interactive rebase to squash your patches together | |
| 15:41 | see http://blogs.liblime.com/devel[…]ting-used-to-git/ by acmoore | |
| 15:50 | owen | Crap, I think I sqashed into the wrong commit. |
| 15:53 | gmcharlt | owen: see the splitting commits heading of http://www.kernel.org/pub/soft[…]s/git-rebase.html |
| 16:03 | mc | hello world |
| 16:04 | does anyone have an experience with zebrasrv and launchd ? | |
| 16:07 | paul_p | (on mac OSX) |
| 16:21 | slef | mc: yes |
| 16:22 | mc: 1.5 changed stuff. Want a plist file? | |
| 16:22 | 10.5 even | |
| 16:33 | gmcharlt | ouch |
| 16:33 | paul_p | :D |
| 16:39 | miyo | hi |
| 16:39 | how are you? | |
| 16:42 | owen | Hi again decuir |
| 16:47 | decuir | yes |
| 16:47 | i come back | |
| 16:49 | i have a little question? | |
| 16:51 | owen | I hope we can answer |
| 16:51 | decuir | how can i borrow my books? |
| 16:52 | owen | You're trying to check something out and it doesn't work? |
| 16:54 | decuir | yes |
| 16:54 | only see the books | |
| 16:54 | but i want borrow my books | |
| 16:58 | owen | What do you mean, you only see the books? |
| 17:02 | slef | all the joe the plumber is a bit odd |
| 17:02 | decuir: are you using the public catalogue or the librarian/interface? | |
| 17:02 | decuir | yes |
| 17:02 | its correct | |
| 17:02 | librarian | |
| 17:03 | slef | go the home page, then go "Circulation" to start checking books out |
| 17:04 | decuir | yes |
| 17:05 | alright | |
| 17:08 | and now??? | |
| 17:08 | mc | slef: oh yes! |
| 17:08 | i badly need a working plist file | |
| 17:11 | decuir | a sorry and how a work a plist file i dont understand clearly |
| 17:13 | mc | decuir: answered to slef for my mac pb |
| 17:13 | slef: i wrote macport Portfiles for koha perl dependencies | |
| 17:14 | it can interest you :) | |
| 17:14 | decuir | yes |
| 17:14 | a im interested | |
| 17:14 | mc | oh |
| 17:14 | so i have to publish it | |
| 17:15 | decuir | yes |
| 17:15 | owen | decuir: do your books have barcodes? |
| 17:16 | decuir | i don`t have |
| 17:16 | but i will be implement | |
| 17:19 | mc | i'll prepare it |
| 17:19 | decuir: but note that is a WIP | |
| 17:21 | decuir | yes a little |
| 17:22 | slef | mc: I use fink. I don't understand macports yet |
| 17:23 | mc: 1mo and I'll copy the plist files out | |
| 17:23 | mc | ok |
| 17:23 | what is the pb with macport ? | |
| 17:23 | (i never tried fink ... but it looks the same, no ? ) | |
| 17:24 | slef | No pb. I think it wasn't around when I first used OSX. |
| 17:24 | mc | ho |
| 17:24 | ok | |
| 17:24 | well ... perhaps you'll switch if koha is entierly packaged :) | |
| 17:25 | slef | mc: perhaps |
| 17:25 | http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/fink-10.5/ | |
| 17:25 | the plist files are in there | |
| 17:25 | decuir | yes |
| 17:25 | i checked | |
| 17:25 | mc | thanks |
| 17:25 | slef: | |
| 17:26 | slef | mc: there are fink-specific bits you'll need to adjust in the paths |
| 17:26 | mc | sure i'll look inside files before using it |
| 17:26 | slef | mc: I think it wants RunAtLoad replacing with KeepAlive now too |
| 17:27 | mc | i can't do it |
| 17:27 | slef | now I must cook and so on |
| 17:27 | mc | keepalive is leopard feature |
| 17:27 | i'm on tiger :( | |
| 17:27 | decuir | :) |
| 17:28 | mc | i will ask biblibre to buy me a mac :) |
| 17:28 | slef | you know they'll buy you a pacamac not an applemac |
| 17:29 | decuir | ok |
| 17:29 | :P | |
| 17:29 | mc | pacamac ? |
| 17:29 | decuir | yes |
| 17:31 | mc | i didn't know pacamac |
| 17:31 | funny | |
| 17:31 | decuir | jejje |
| 18:58 | ryan | can anyone make a good argument for why 022$a is indexed as both issn _and_isbn ? |
| 18:58 | atz_ | a good argument *would* be that there's no difference between the two |
| 18:59 | ryan | really? |
| 18:59 | atz_ | if that were true. |
| 19:01 | ryan | and also, i'd like to make changes to the base indexing rules to include ONLY subfield ‡a for both isbn and issn. |
| 19:01 | any objections ? | |
| 19:01 | the issue being that the matching algorithms don't quite behave as expected | |
| 19:02 | given the current looseness of the indexing definitions | |
| 19:22 | mc | slef? |
| 19:22 | omg! is there a decent graphical irc client ? | |
| 19:23 | owen | mc: there's always chatzilla |
| 19:24 | mc | hmpf ... |
| 19:26 | owen: but i'll try it some day | |
| 19:36 | atz_ | mc: on mac OS? |
| 19:36 | mc | well.. on linux |
| 19:36 | but mac has the same pb | |
| 19:36 | i use colloquy | |
| 19:37 | i'm not happy about it | |
| 19:37 | atz_ | ah... colloquy trumps my other options |
| 19:37 | chatzilla had memory leaks | |
| 19:38 | mc | well |
| 19:38 | perhaps it's a pb of settings | |
| 19:38 | but i can't easilly edit the current line | |
| 19:39 | atz_ | yeah on colloquy the line commands are suckier |
| 19:39 | and up-arrow doesn't work | |
| 19:40 | mc | yep |
| 19:40 | atz_ | it does integrate with growl nicely though |
| 19:40 | mc | "with growl" ? |
| 19:41 | (google didn't help) | |
| 19:41 | oh | |
| 19:41 | it's a software :) | |
| 19:41 | atz_ | growl is a desktop plugin on macos that does notification stuff like audio alert, bounce the dock icon, etc. |
| 19:41 | mc | i see the homepage |
| 19:42 | yeah ... alerts are nice | |
| 20:10 | chris | i still use irssi and screen :) |
| 20:10 | mc | hehe |
| 20:10 | chris | i can even make it play nice with libnotify |
| 20:11 | mc | i'll back on it |
| 20:12 | when i'll find a new server to host it | |
| 20:12 | chris | :) |
| 20:12 | i run it on my server at home | |
| 20:12 | which is on a pretty reliable cable modem connection | |
| 20:12 | mc | well .. i don't trust my isp enought to do it |
| 20:13 | owen | if finesMode is OFF, could we safely hide fines-related elements of the interface? (charges column, dropbox mode, etc) |
| 20:14 | mc | damn it! i just spoke about my isp relability and their nntp server just shut down :( |
| 20:14 | chris | is that only ever used for fines? |
| 20:14 | not rental charges also? | |
| 20:14 | owen | Hmm... good point. |
| 20:15 | chris | :) |
| 20:16 | owen | I just wish there was a good way to hide some of this stuff if it's not relevant to your library |
| 20:16 | chris | yeah if we had a pref that was no rental charges |
| 20:16 | then if you had both those on, then you could turn that off | |
| 20:17 | or "display money (or a better word) information" | |
| 20:17 | toggle that off, you dont see fines or charges | |
| 20:17 | ? | |
| 20:17 | or even cooler | |
| 20:18 | with some ajax/css have a checkbox on that part of the screen | |
| 20:18 | and you turn it off, and it minimises :) | |
| 20:20 | store it in the preferences for the user (librarian) | |
| 20:20 | so that it stays off until they toggle it back on | |
| 20:20 | owen | Dismissing it permanently? Do you set a cookie, or something in the database? |
| 20:20 | DECUIR | hello im com back one time more |
| 20:20 | :P | |
| 20:20 | chris | you could do either, cookie will just last for that session |
| 20:21 | if you store in the db, then next session it will still be minimise (you can always expand it again) | |
| 20:21 | owen | Does your project store it in the database? |
| 20:22 | chris | if the person has logged in, yes |
| 20:22 | owen | doesn't that significantly increase database queries? |
| 20:22 | chris | if they are surfing the site anonymously then no |
| 20:22 | nope, cos you use the cookie | |
| 20:22 | 2 queries, 1 to set in the db, then you just use the cookie from then on | |
| 20:23 | or 1 to fetch from db, then u set and use the cookie | |
| 20:23 | DECUIR | how to use sms service in koha how to work??? |
| 20:24 | chris | decuir: i dont know how it works in 3.0 in the old days we just used to get koha to send emails to an email->sms gateway and it would send the sms |
| 20:24 | owen: does that make sense? (we also have a couple of layers of caching between the web app and the db also) | |
| 20:25 | owen: so you only talk to the db (or in our case memcached) when the session begins, or ends | |
| 20:25 | the rest of the time u use the cookie | |
| 20:27 | DECUIR | ok and where is the opccion to send sms |
| 20:27 | chris | bbl, have a good weekend all |
| 20:30 | owen | DECUIR: I think you should figure out how to check books out before you try to set up SMS |
| 20:33 | DECUIR | yes i check books |
| 20:34 | i completed that | |
| 20:48 | owen | Hi Sharon, how's everything going? |
| 20:49 | Sharon | good. I had a question. Are there plans for sound cues in the staff client, to give feedback to staff about transaction errors? |
| 20:52 | owen | The issue has been raised, and a solution has been offered that would incorporate a small embedded flash file to play the sound |
| 20:52 | I'm not sure what the status is, though | |
| 20:52 | That particular solution was offered specifically for circ. I suppose it could be adapted for check-ins too. Not sure if there's any place else it would be required. | |
| 20:53 | mc | DECUIR: koha macports installation notes: |
| 20:53 | http://mc.koha-fr.org/mac/ports/ | |
| 20:53 | owen | Sharon: would you expect your libraries to have the Flash plugin installed? |
| 20:53 | mc | note it's a WIP! please report bugs and propose patches |
| 20:54 | Sharon | most of the staff stations have flash, yes. |
| 20:55 | the staff just want auditory feedback, so they don't have to look at the screen after each scan of a barcode. | |
| 20:55 | mc | is there an svg version of the koha logo ? |
| 21:05 | nicomo | mc : not that i know of |
| 21:05 | I asked rach once and she could not provide me with one... | |
| 21:06 | owen | I might have a version on a different computer, and I'm going to email it to mc if so |
| 21:06 | nicomo | ah, owen I'd be interested in getting a copy too |
| 21:06 | owen | rach should be the one with an "original" version of the logo, although maybe not svg |
| 21:06 | nicomo | is that at all possible? |
| 21:24 | owen | atz_: you around? |
| 21:25 | atz_ | ? |
| 21:26 | owen | Hi atz_ . Do I remember right that you submitted a patch to put the search box onto opac-search.pl? |
| 21:26 | I mean the resident search box, which right now is hidden only on that page | |
| 21:27 | atz_ | maybe... |
| 21:27 | my patch that I remember made the links at the top display | |
| 21:28 | gmcharlt | atz_ did do a patch to always display the adv search link, including when on the adv search page |
| 21:28 | atz_ | i don't recall the search being part of it |
| 21:28 | owen | Okay, I must have made that up |
| 21:29 | gmcharlt | owen: http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]070b9e683e16cb793 ? |
| 21:30 | owen | Yeah, that's the commit I remember. Thanks. |
| 21:31 | nicomo | would be nice, though, to have that search box there on opac-search.pl |
| 21:31 | I'm about to enter a bug to have the Cart and Lists buttons restored to that page as well: should I? | |
| 21:33 | owen | nicomo: I think so |
| 21:33 | DECUIR | in the moment to insert a image .jpg in the patrons appear one error |
| 21:33 | koha error in line 242 | |
| 21:33 | and i dont know for what | |
| 21:34 | owen | The reason the search box is not displayed on opac-search.pl is to prevent confusion about what constitutes the main focus of the page |
| 21:35 | nicomo | yes, but it should be weighted against the problem of having UI inconsistency : that masthead never changes, except here, which is odd for the patron |
| 21:36 | I'll enter the bug about the missing buttons and put you in CC owen | |
| 21:36 | owen | Normally I would agree, but we've gotten feedback from users suggesting that it does cause confusion |
| 21:37 | nicomo | hum... it's a tricky one I guess: glass half full, half empty sort of thing |
| 21:39 | gmcharlt | perhaps deafult to keep it displayed (like Amazon), with syspref to hide it |
| 21:39 | or vice-versa | |
| 21:42 | chris | back |
| 22:03 | acmoore | atz_: you around? |
| 22:04 | atz_ | ? |
| 22:04 | acmoore | I saw your patch with the script demonstrating different CSV modules. |
| 22:04 | that looks like interesting stuff to investigate. | |
| 22:05 | so, do you know why it is that we require two different CSV modules? | |
| 22:05 | atz_ | that kind of thing will come up a lot w/ any input/output mechanism... like sendmail |
| 22:05 | acmoore | Text::CSV and Text::CSV_XS? |
| 22:05 | atz_ | Text::CSV uses CSV_XS in binary mode |
| 22:06 | so basically we're saying we require Text::CSV in binary mode | |
| 22:06 | acmoore | oh, no kidding? oh, good. |
| 22:08 | that patch is just for demonstratoin purposes, isn't it? Do you expect it to be committed to the head? | |
| 22:08 | atz_ | yeah, i think it doesn't make sense to keep it somewhere else. |
| 22:09 | i think of it as executable documentation | |
| 22:09 | chris | could put it in a branch, its tres easy to merge back from a branch at a later point |
| 22:13 | gmcharlt | as "executable doc", somewhere under misc/ or on the wiki seems good |
| 22:15 | chris | gmcharlt: im just about to send through a patch with updated italian .po files |
| 22:15 | gmcharlt | chris: ok, thanks |
| 22:20 | acmoore | gmcharlt and atz: or maybe in xt/other or xt/misc or something, since it's test code. But, I don't mind really. |
| 22:20 | I'm headed out. See y'all next week. | |
| 22:20 | atz_ | acmoore: i created a directory under t/other |
| 22:20 | so it does not affect make test | |
| 22:20 | gmcharlt | cya acmoore |
| 22:21 | atz_ | on the wiki, of course, it is useless |
| 22:21 | feel free to git mv it wherever in the tree you think is good | |
| 22:44 | mc | 'night all |
| 23:16 | slef | mc gone? |
| 23:17 | hdl_laptop | slef: it is midnight in france. |
| 23:17 | So I guess yes. | |
| 23:20 | chris | hows the hackfest going hdl? |
| 23:28 | hdl_laptop | good. |
| 04:53 | Amit | hi hdl |
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