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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:25 | danny | morning #koha |
| 12:30 | mc | afternoon, danny |
| 12:33 | mason | hey guys |
| 12:33 | im up a bit late doing taxes, lol.. | |
| 12:34 | mc | :) |
| 13:20 | hdl | acmoore++ for #kohanews |
| 13:21 | acmoore | glad you like it! |
| 13:26 | rhcl | #kohanews is a channel? On this server? |
| 13:32 | acmoore | it's on the freenode network. you can use the chat.us.freenode.net server if you like. |
| 13:33 | you can read more about it at http://blogs.liblime.com/devel[…]-out-in-kohanews/ | |
| 13:34 | There's a bot in there that announces things like changes to bugs, or stuff checked in to git, and a few other types of things. | |
| 13:35 | see also: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]anews_irc_channel | |
| 13:52 | ghatt | bonjour à tous |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | hi |
| 14:12 | mc | ghatt, this is the english chan .. |
| 16:02 | frederic | hi |
| 16:40 | MikeJones | Well, almost ready to install Koha, going through making sure all the dependencies are met, however I'm getting an error trying to install Text::Iconv |
| 16:40 | it fails when checking for iconv, which is installed in /usr/bin | |
| 16:41 | i know it's not Koha specific, but I was wondering if anyone else ran into this issue? | |
| 17:44 | gmcharlt | owen: ouch |
| 17:50 | atz | incredible |
| 17:50 | how does redhat just sit on it for 9 months? | |
| 17:52 | gmcharlt: "Note that the default Perl on all Red Hat-based Amazon EC2 VMIs has this bug" | |
| 17:53 | thankfully we're not on those. | |
| 17:53 | gmcharlt | atz: agreed |
| 17:53 | atz | staggering to think that you might be incurring CPU charges based on this |
| 17:59 | owen | "email" is outnumbering "e-mail" in the templates, so I guess we'll go with "email." anyone have an opinion? |
| 17:59 | atz | screw hypens |
| 17:59 | er... hypHens | |
| 18:08 | acmoore | http://www.chicagomanualofstyl[…]esEmDashes09.html |
| 18:08 | They use 'e-mail' all over the Chcago manual of style. | |
| 18:10 | atz | acmoore: is that an argument for or against? :) |
| 18:11 | yeah, otherwise you might be calling a program "e" with the -mail option | |
| 18:18 | ryan | in fact, i think i prefer just 'mail'. |
| 18:18 | owen | I agree--where you can get away with it. Can't always, though. |
| 19:44 | liz | quick question... is there somewhere online where all of the template tags are documented? Did I just miss it? |
| 19:45 | atz | liz: you mean HTML::Template::Pro tags? |
| 19:45 | liz | right |
| 19:45 | atz | yes, 1 sec |
| 19:46 | liz | atz: thanks |
| 19:47 | atz | http://search.cpan.org/~viy/HT[…]mplate/SYNTAX.pod |
| 19:47 | owen | Anyone know why links to issuehistory.pl are passing title and author as well as biblionumber? |
| 19:48 | atz | liz: quick advisory -- EXPR is to be avoided when possible |
| 19:48 | liz | 2nd question, is there a place where the koha variables are listed as well? |
| 19:48 | done and done | |
| 19:49 | atz | liz: "the koha variables" ? |
| 19:49 | do you mean system preferences? | |
| 19:49 | owen | Or do you mean variables available to the template? |
| 19:49 | atz | otherwise, no... everything is specific to the script being run |
| 19:49 | liz | no,... yes, the variables available to the template |
| 19:49 | gmcharlt | owen: dead weight of history. issuehistory.pl does nothing with those |
| 19:50 | owen | thanks gmcharlt, I'll correct the links |
| 19:50 | liz | sorry, i'm still learning what's what with html::template |
| 19:50 | gmcharlt | owen: while you're at it, please take out those two corresponding lines in issuehistory.pl |
| 19:50 | atz | liz: a lot of them get loaded by Auth.pm (so are usually available) |
| 19:51 | owen | gmcharlt: I will |
| 19:51 | atz | the rest you have to look at the script for a line like $template->param(your_variable_in_question => 1); |
| 19:51 | gmcharlt | owen: thanks |
| 19:51 | liz | sadly I don't have access to most of the guts of koha: we are hosted |
| 19:52 | thanks for the tips... I'll go take a look | |
| 20:13 | Sharon | how hard would it be to change the holdings table on the details.pl page to show the permanent location instead of the current location, since the current location is given in the status? |
| 20:19 | chris | morning |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 20:22 | owen | is bookcount.pl made obsolete by issuehistory.pl? |
| 20:22 | chris | pretty much yeah |
| 20:27 | owen | The "total checkouts" number on moredetail.pl seems to be inaccurate. Is that just a quirk of the sample data? |
| 20:28 | chris | i think that gets it from the count on the item table, so yes it could quite likely be out |
| 20:50 | lol | |
| 20:58 | i think tina's computer may have narcolepsy | |
| 23:56 | pianohacker | The zebraqueue daemon has been dropped, yes? |
| 23:57 | mason | yeah, i think so |
| 23:57 | pianohacker | Any particular reason? It seems like a good idea (in theory) |
| 23:57 | mason | or at least i recall it about to be dropped a few weeks ago?? |
| 23:58 | rebuild_zebra.pl as a cron was the subst. i think | |
| 23:58 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 23:58 | kados? (I think you're the zebra guru) | |
| 23:59 | Interesting, INSTALL.debian still references it | |
| 00:00 | mason | poss. zebuild_zebra.pl has had some recent improvements, that people cant justify backporting to the daemon |
| 00:00 | pianohacker | Seems like it |
| 00:00 | I got a unknown record type: grs.xml when I tried it myself | |
| 00:00 | mason | if they do the same thing , then just keep one tool, and make it a good one |
| 00:01 | KOHA_CONF set correctly? | |
| 00:01 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 00:01 | The grs.xml was for zebraqueue-d | |
| 00:09 | chris | the only problem with the cronjob |
| 00:10 | is running it faster than every minute :) | |
| 00:10 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 00:10 | Hmm | |
| 00:10 | chris | thats why i wrote the daemon |
| 00:10 | pianohacker | Or getting to run at all |
| 00:10 | chris | as a proof of concept |
| 00:11 | pianohacker | My cronjob zebraqueue is exporting the records but not actually indexing them :P |
| 00:11 | chris | theres probably nicer ways to do it, but i still think a daemon is the way to go |
| 00:11 | pianohacker | *cronjob rebuild_zebra |
| 00:12 | Might be worth moving the zebra{,queue} management code into a C4 module; thus rebuild_zebra and zebraqueue-d can do different things without too much duplication of code | |
| 00:12 | chris | yep |
| 00:13 | and not using POE maybe | |
| 00:13 | pianohacker | Any particular reason besides heavy dependency? |
| 00:13 | chris | it seems to sometimes flip out and eat memory |
| 00:14 | i used POE, because id used it in the past for things like cafenet.co.nz and was familair with tit | |
| 00:14 | but now i like the look of Proc::Daemon | |
| 00:14 | pianohacker | Ahh |
| 00:15 | chris | or even Proc::Application::Daemon |
| 00:15 | lots of options :) | |
| 00:16 | pianohacker | Ahh, CPAn |
| 00:19 | mason | yesss, the index-daemon was orig. written to get around the 1 minute index lag - than the cron method had |
| 00:19 | s/than/that/ | |
| 00:20 | pianohacker | See, if we wanted to get really crazy (you should all run away now) |
| 00:20 | mason | as many catalogers wanted to view the record after they had cat-ed it, and had to wait 60 seconds to do that.. |
| 00:21 | pianohacker | We could rewrite zebraqueue-daemon to accept connections from koha that told it to update records |
| 00:21 | And make zebraqueue a couldn't-connect-backup that that daemon (on occasion and startup) and rebuild_zebra -z would check | |
| 00:22 | chris | yep |
| 00:22 | just have it listen on a socket | |
| 00:23 | pianohacker | Yah |
| 00:23 | chris | thats how my cafenet daemon works, it responds to login requests from a webserver |
| 00:23 | that interrupts | |
| 00:23 | the rest of the time it logs traffic counts to a db | |
| 00:55 | ryan | pianohacker: zebraqueue daemon can only update one record at a time, so if every circ event causes a record to be reindexed, you outpace the max update speed of zq daemon pretty quickly. |
| 00:55 | the cron script can reindex many records at once. | |
| 00:55 | chris | surely the daemon could do that too |
| 00:56 | ryan | well, the cron script calls zebraidx. |
| 00:56 | chris | yep |
| 00:56 | ryan | i think the api for ZOOM only supports extended services updates |
| 00:56 | chris | the daemon could do that too? |
| 00:57 | ryan | yeah, i guess so. |
| 00:58 | shouldn't take too much to do it, but the cron script is working reasonably well for us . | |
| 00:58 | chris | yep, always gonna have that 1 min lag |
| 00:58 | tho | |
| 00:58 | well potential for it | |
| 00:59 | ryan | we don't really go faster than 5 minutes in practice. |
| 00:59 | most people aren't too put out by the lag | |
| 00:59 | chris | yeah, some ppl are grizzling on the list tho, that their cataloguers want to see it in the results 'now' |
| 01:00 | id probably tell them to just deal with it :-) | |
| 01:00 | ryan | :) |
| 01:00 | I'm sure it'll get done, just enough higher priority things to keep pushing it back :) | |
| 01:00 | chris | yep |
| 01:29 | mason | hmm, i remember the index-daemon thing being written primarily coz clients were vocal about the lag-issue being a pain. |
| 01:29 | which is something we may have forgotten when rolling back to the cron method | |
| 01:30 | chris | well, i cant remember why i wrote it originally, i think because i could |
| 01:30 | mason | ah, the horse... ;) |
| 01:31 | sounds like the solution is the nicer index features of the cron script, combined with the existing daemon code | |
| 01:32 | which could even be a quicky.. | |
| 03:38 | kwak | hi, we're using concourse ILS right now and it can export to MARC21. How do I import those records into KOHA? |
| 03:44 | chris | http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]tage-MARC-Records |
| 04:06 | kwak | thanks chris |
| 04:08 | chris | lots of good info in that manual :) |
| 04:08 | there is also the newbie guide | |
| 04:09 | http://www.pakban.net/brooke/tut/newbie.html | |
| 04:15 | kwak | yea, i saw that manual. i just wanted a quick answer :) and i appreciate the newbie. haven't seen that |
| 04:38 | How do I add logo with out school name on top of the OPAC page? | |
| 04:47 | and im deleting libraries (came with installation), but can't delete Franklin, Midway, Pleasant Valley, Springfield | |
| 07:25 | hdl | hi chris |
| 07:26 | chris | heya hdl |
| 07:27 | hdl | just seen your discussion about daemon and cron. |
| 07:27 | chris | ah right |
| 07:27 | hdl | I favour daemon too because some customers have old time techniques. |
| 07:30 | chris | *nod* |
| 07:31 | hdl | But I also think we cannot maintain 2 scripts for updating biblios. |
| 07:32 | chris | naw, that shouldnt be hard |
| 07:32 | all the stuff should in a module | |
| 07:32 | hdl | Maybe adding daemon option to rebuild_zebra could be the right thing. |
| 07:32 | chris | and just the way its called |
| 07:32 | be in the script | |
| 07:33 | hdl | sthg like Zebra.pm |
| 07:33 | chris | yeah something like that |
| 07:33 | hdl | in an Engine directory |
| 07:34 | quite a heavy change if it goes that far. | |
| 09:05 | kwak | why is it that after i imported a marc21 file, when i check it, it says holdings (0). |
| 09:06 | hdl | because a your holdings may not be in correct place (952) |
| 09:07 | b) you holding maynot have the correct libraries. | |
| 10:39 | kwak | hi hdl? how do I fix this? |
| 11:12 | frederic | kwak: In Koha > Administration > MARC Framework, take a look at 952 field. |
| 11:12 | Look at its subfields. $p is required. Some other also... like location. | |
| 11:13 | Your MARC21 records need to have data in 952 fields if you want Koha import script to create item records. | |
| 11:13 | So you may have to create this 952 fields or move another existing 'item' field into 952. |
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