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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:38 | hdl | !list |
| 14:03 | liz | mornin #koha |
| 14:03 | gmcharlt | hi liz |
| 14:03 | how are things the day after go-live? | |
| 14:22 | nengard | hiya liz - congrats again |
| 14:22 | liz | going pretty well |
| 14:22 | a few chips in the china but the dishes are all intact (we think) | |
| 14:23 | :) | |
| 14:29 | owen | liz, FYI: you OPAC is missing some images |
| 14:44 | liz: I had to make the same change to our registration form when we last upgraded Koha...putting the card number field at the end. | |
| 14:45 | liz | haha maybr that should become default |
| 14:45 | kados | owen: surely there's some way to catch the cariage return in that field |
| 14:46 | owen: http://jennifermadden.com/java[…]rKeyDetector.html | |
| 14:46 | Suppressing Form Submission via Enter/Return Key Press From within Single Text Input | |
| 14:46 | half-way down | |
| 14:48 | liz | i think its kind of a perk |
| 14:48 | owen | kados, does that demo work for you? I'm curious about Mac/PC differences |
| 14:48 | It seems to work as advertised on my PC | |
| 14:49 | kados | yea, works on my mac |
| 14:49 | in FF | |
| 14:49 | yep | |
| 14:49 | works on safair too | |
| 14:51 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 14:52 | liz | makes more sense anyway, thats when you're going to hand the card to the patron anyway |
| 14:52 | owen: lol | |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | lol |
| 15:08 | liz | since our libraries often enter the card number in as the OPAC login username, it would be good to escape the CR in that box |
| 15:08 | thanks for the tip, Kados | |
| 15:09 | owen | liz, you could probably add that to intranetuserjs |
| 15:10 | liz | i mean on the patron registratiton page |
| 15:10 | man I can't spell today | |
| 15:10 | on the initial entry | |
| 15:10 | same place? | |
| 15:10 | so they're essentially scanning the barcode twice | |
| 15:11 | owen | Yeah, I'm thinking you could add some js to your intranetuserjs system pref which would catch the CR on a custom element |
| 15:13 | pianohacker | nicomo: Around? |
| 15:13 | nicomo | yes |
| 15:13 | pianohacker | Have you made any progress in investigating http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2516 ? |
| 15:14 | nicomo | yep, great progress : handed over to hdl ;-) |
| 15:14 | pianohacker | nicomo: Heh, thanks |
| 15:14 | hdl: around ? :) | |
| 15:14 | hdl | yes |
| 15:14 | pianohacker | any progress on above bug? |
| 15:15 | hdl | pianohacker: can't reproduce it. |
| 15:16 | Can you ? | |
| 15:16 | But I could send a quick fix for that. | |
| 15:16 | pianohacker | IIRC, it was a problem with just one of Biblibre's clients; I couldn't reproduce it myself |
| 15:16 | nicomo | nor could I : annoying |
| 15:17 | but I couldn't see what was wrong on that particular install | |
| 15:17 | pianohacker | Huh. WORKSFORME ? |
| 15:17 | hdl | I saw that searchMember would not sort on correct surnames. |
| 15:17 | only on firstnames. | |
| 15:17 | But since it displayed correctly, i did not edit anything. | |
| 15:18 | pianohacker | hdl: If you see the problem and an obvious fix, a patch would be wonderful :) |
| 15:28 | hdl | hi slef |
| 15:29 | slef | hi hdl |
| 15:29 | nengard, chris: linkedin are claiming that they can't merge koha groups unless we say the other group's creator used the name/logo without permission :-/ Thoughts? | |
| 15:30 | nengard | slef - bah - that's just silliness |
| 15:30 | atz | that's lame |
| 15:30 | nengard | i say leave it alone - there are no members in the other group and over 30 and growing in the one we created |
| 15:30 | owen | Yeah, and we can kick their asses! |
| 15:30 | atz | heh |
| 15:31 | kados | hehe |
| 15:31 | slef++ for looking into it | |
| 15:38 | slef | oh wait... just reread... they also assumed that we gave permission for him to set up a group for us... no-one did, did they? |
| 15:38 | nengard | not on the liblime end - and chris didn't know about it either |
| 15:39 | liz and anyone else - created a new document: http://sites.google.com/a/libl[…]endicies/hot-keys | |
| 15:39 | liz | nengard: cool, ty |
| 15:39 | nengard | :) |
| 15:41 | kados | slef: who set it up originally? |
| 15:42 | slef: this ultimately gets back to who 'we' is ... it's kind of nebulous at the moment, anyone can claim to be part of the community ;-) | |
| 15:42 | slef | kados: jayadevkumbargmail.com |
| 15:43 | kados: I'll claim that because none of liblime (owner of koha.org), current or past RMs and QAMs approved it and there was no public announcement of it, there was no permission. I hope that suffices. | |
| 15:44 | nengard | slef kados while i agree that we is anyone - whoever it was wasn't maintaining the group so that's why i created a new one and added a bunch of managers so that we can all maintain it |
| 15:44 | slef | nengard: I'm also saying that my motivation is that the mismanagement of the lower-numbered group is hurting our user community. |
| 15:44 | nengard | slef makes sense |
| 15:47 | slef | heh, pic of nicole |
| 15:48 | nengard | slef - what pic? why is it funny??? :( |
| 15:51 | kados | slef: works for me |
| 16:00 | slef | nengard: just amusing because I'd not seen a pic of you before... sorry, didn't mean to suggest it was funny |
| 16:04 | nengard | slef hehe :) how have you not seen a picture? my face is all over the place!!! |
| 16:05 | okay - off to eat some lunch | |
| 16:20 | slef | nengard: I often browse with images off... |
| 16:20 | nengard: I am a speed freak | |
| 16:27 | nengard | slef - i need pictures - i'm a very graphical person |
| 17:28 | owen | I guess I imagined the intranetuserjs system pref... |
| 17:57 | liz | i saw it |
| 17:57 | its under staff client | |
| 17:57 | just wanted to share something we just got from one of our librarians: | |
| 17:58 | re: koha | |
| 17:58 | ROCK ON!!! | |
| 17:58 | Love it! | |
| 17:58 | Love it! | |
| 17:58 | Love it! | |
| 17:58 | nengard | AWESOME!!!! |
| 17:58 | pianohacker | owen: around? |
| 17:58 | owen | Yes |
| 17:59 | liz | nengard: would it, could it, be possible for us to host something like consortia.koha.org? |
| 18:00 | nengard | liz - we'd have to talk to josh - i think he owns koha.org |
| 18:00 | liz | for coordinating development efforts specific to consortia? |
| 18:00 | k | |
| 18:01 | kados | liz: if coordinating development is the goal, we really need something like fundable.org |
| 18:01 | liz | nengard we were going to host it here under nexpresslibrary.org but that doesnt make a lot of sense |
| 18:02 | kados | liz: and I dont' think there'd be any particular value to having a consortium-specific coordination forum, we need to do a better job of making it easy to coordinate development for all library types IMO |
| 18:02 | but I'm open to other views :-) | |
| 18:02 | and though LibLime does own koha.org, we'd look for the comunity to decide what would be suitable as far as content on the community site | |
| 18:03 | liz | nengard: well, the issues that consortia face are significantly different than even libraries with many branches |
| 18:03 | nengard | seems like we should have a forum |
| 18:03 | kados | liz: yes, I understand that, but the problem you're facing is that it's hard to coordinate development, and that's true for all library types |
| 18:03 | nengard | and then categories for diff librarians to talk |
| 18:03 | kados | liz: so it's not specific to consortia, does that make sense? |
| 18:04 | liz | yea, we were thinking of a blog + forums |
| 18:04 | + mailing list | |
| 18:04 | nengard | kados with plone running koha.org can we have forums? |
| 18:04 | kados | liz: perhaps the specific things you want to do are specific to consortia, but I think we need a general tool for development corridination for everyone to use |
| 18:04 | liz | right |
| 18:04 | kados | it could have sub-sections for consortia, academics, etc |
| 18:04 | liz: check out fundable.org | |
| 18:05 | liz | kados i just looked at it, interesting idea |
| 18:05 | owen | Is coordinating the funding of new development different than coordinating collaboration on the things to be developed? |
| 18:05 | kados | idea is -> Create an Idea for a Project, say how much it costs -> get people to pitch in -> when you ahve enough money, do it |
| 18:05 | something similar for koha development would be ideal | |
| 18:05 | owen: perhaps, yes | |
| 18:05 | liz | totally |
| 18:06 | owen | So what liz needs is a way to discuss the issues *before* they get to the fundable stage |
| 18:06 | kados | liz: one thing I want to avoid in our community is silos |
| 18:06 | liz | understandable |
| 18:07 | kados | liz: so while I like the idea of enhancing consortium features, I'd want to make sure those featurs didn't negitively impact other koha users, ie, that they were written in such a way that they'd work for everyone |
| 18:07 | (if there are things specific to consortiua that need to be different, they'd be wrapped in sysprefs) | |
| 18:07 | etc. | |
| 18:07 | liz | oh sure, you don't want to have 15 different versions |
| 18:07 | kados | yea, exactly |
| 18:07 | maybe eventually we'll have a large enough community to fork Koha | |
| 18:07 | nengard | liz, kados i still think we need more community type areas on koha.org |
| 18:07 | kados | (it's happend a few times already) |
| 18:08 | but right now we're best focusing on working otgether where possible | |
| 18:08 | liz | i think that would be the goal of any consortial collaboration |
| 18:08 | at least that we would be involved int | |
| 18:08 | in* | |
| 18:08 | kados | *nod* |
| 18:09 | liz | lol, frankly, it's economics... if there is a feature that a bunch of us want, no reason to have one of us shoulder the entire cost, especially if it's a big enhancement project |
| 18:10 | kados | liz: yep, I agree |
| 18:10 | liz | so that's where fundable could come in |
| 18:10 | getting the enhancement requests to the point of fundable, now that might be a challenge | |
| 18:10 | kados | we're also treading the line between what's koha community and what's liblime customer stuff |
| 18:10 | liz | sure |
| 18:11 | i'd imagine that much of it would end up being liblime enhancements, simply because you're already familiar ^.^ | |
| 18:11 | which of course is good for *your* business :) | |
| 18:11 | kados | yea, and if that's the case it should be a subsite of liblime.com IMO |
| 18:12 | liz: well if you have some ideas for how best to structure such a collaboration platform, let me know | |
| 18:12 | gmcharlt | right, but we're not only commercial development provider |
| 18:12 | liz | we are definitely thinking about how to do it |
| 18:13 | now that our migration is mostly under control, we're looking to 1. the next libraries to come on and 2. how to improve our product in the best/fastest way | |
| 18:13 | because it's everybody | |
| 18:13 | s | |
| 18:13 | kados | yep |
| 18:13 | hehe | |
| 18:13 | more power to em | |
| 18:13 | liz | *giggle* |
| 18:14 | you honestly have no idea how many of our libraries have the "library teen tech guy" | |
| 18:14 | pianohacker | Hey, I'm a teenage colorado hacker, does that count? |
| 18:14 | owen | The last time I was anything approaching a teenage kansas hacker I was playing Zork 1. |
| 18:14 | liz | SEE! |
| 18:14 | gmcharlt | heh - which is one approach to keep in mind, is the option of doing some of the coding yourself within in the consortium |
| 18:14 | kados | definitely |
| 18:14 | pianohacker++ | |
| 18:14 | liz | rofl owen |
| 18:15 | <3 | |
| 18:16 | gmcharlt sadly at this time I can't identify a person I know who would have the necessary experience (or would be interested in working on such a project) | |
| 18:16 | now... if it had some ruby on rails... | |
| 18:16 | it might be different | |
| 18:17 | <- is not the ruby on rails programmer | |
| 18:17 | <- only knows some | |
| 18:18 | kados | liz: RoR wouldn't help you much with Koha, which is Perl ;-) |
| 18:18 | liz | heh, yep |
| 18:18 | gmcharlt | kados: dunnon, anybody want to write a RoR reporting system for Koha? |
| 18:20 | owen | pianohacker: where in Colorado are you? |
| 18:20 | pianohacker | Southern area, why ? |
| 18:20 | owen | Just curious. I lived in Boulder for a year when I was a kid |
| 18:21 | pianohacker | Oh, someone I know went to school there, it's a cool town |
| 18:23 | liz | hm... now that you mention it maybe I could get my friend who does rails on THAT project :P |
| 18:46 | gmcharlt | owen: not sure why 2424 was not apply - I'll treat as de novo |
| 18:55 | owen | Thanks gmcharlt |
| 19:21 | liz-nekls | weird, I was just looking at a patron record and accidentally hit the enter key |
| 19:22 | and got page not found at this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.o[…]members/member.pl | |
| 19:22 | 404 | |
| 19:22 | was on this http://staff.nexpresslibrary.o[…]ers/moremember.pl | |
| 19:22 | and hit the enter key | |
| 19:23 | everything else seems to work | |
| 19:25 | ryan | liz-nekls: looks like it submitted the search members form with no query. |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | any patron or just that particular one? |
| 19:25 | liz-nekls | let me check |
| 19:25 | yea, any patron | |
| 19:25 | ryan | focus goes to the search form in the masthead by default |
| 19:26 | so enter submits it. | |
| 19:26 | liz-nekls | but it's still kind of wrong that it is a 404? |
| 19:26 | ryan: that makes sense | |
| 19:27 | ryan | hmm. actually, i get search results. |
| 19:28 | liz-nekls | on our catalog? |
| 19:28 | er, our install | |
| 19:28 | ryan | no, on my test system |
| 19:28 | liz-nekls | k |
| 19:29 | it's not a super big deal, it's just strange behavior | |
| 19:29 | behaviour, for you kiwis | |
| 19:33 | this only happens from moremember.pl | |
| 19:33 | not from the initial patron search screen | |
| 19:37 | ryan | liz-nekls: this looks to be specific to your install. |
| 19:37 | liz-nekls | k I should submit a problem report? |
| 19:37 | ryan | please do. |
| 19:39 | owen | FWIW, I get search results too, no 404. |
| 19:43 | liz-nekls | k must be just ours then... at least it's not systemic :D |
| 19:48 | pianohacker | Is rebuild_zebra.pl the recommended way to keep koha/zebra databases in sync? The cronjob I set up doesn't seem to be modifying the indexes. |
| 19:50 | atz | yes, what does your cron line look like? |
| 19:52 | pianohacker | /opt/bin/koharun -c '/home/jakarta/projects/koha3/misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z' (koharun is a small shell script that sets the right environment variables) |
| 19:55 | liz-nekls | that's funny, if there is something in the search box it returns a search just fine |
| 19:57 | atz | pianohacker: you should be able to set the variables at the top of the cron script |
| 19:58 | and running the script won't do it | |
| 19:58 | because the script runs in it's own shell | |
| 20:01 | oh wait... i see... koharun must try to execute the -c arg | |
| 20:02 | you might try first... /opt/bin/koharun -c 'echo KOHA_CONF: $KOHA_CONF' | |
| 20:02 | and check the mail for what it produces | |
| 20:03 | that will tell you whether the ENV variable export is working or not | |
| 20:55 | liz | hey what are you guys using for your support request management at Liblime? |
| 20:57 | atz | we've got some bugzillas, but our main support system is "AdventNet ManageEngine SupportCenter Plus v7" |
| 20:57 | liz | it seems nice do you like it? |
| 20:58 | atz | pretty well |
| 22:11 | chris | hi all |
| 22:12 | gmcharlt | hi chris |
| 22:14 | chris | hey galen, got plans for the weekend? |
| 22:15 | gmcharlt | chris: preparing for our move, plus some Koha stuff |
| 22:15 | my wife and I are moving to Florida this fall | |
| 22:16 | yourself? | |
| 22:16 | chris | ohh wow |
| 22:16 | thats a big move | |
| 22:16 | quite the climate change too :) | |
| 22:16 | pianohacker | I'll be the only liblime dev not in PST :( |
| 22:17 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: acmoore's in CST |
| 22:17 | pianohacker | Ah, good |
| 22:17 | chris | i seem to have shaken off the worst of this flu, so im thinking to take the family to staglans |
| 22:17 | staglands even | |
| 22:18 | is atz moving too? | |
| 22:18 | atz | ? |
| 22:18 | chris | isnt he in EST ? |
| 22:18 | gmcharlt | not as far as I know |
| 22:18 | atz | possible... but i'm unlikely to be able to sell this house anytime soon |
| 22:19 | chris | ahh i was just trying to work out all the time zones :) |
| 22:20 | gmcharlt | EST, CST, MST as far as I know |
| 22:21 | chris | gmcharlt: whereabouts in florida? |
| 22:21 | gmcharlt | Gainesville |
| 22:22 | chris | ive heard of that ... i wonder why |
| 22:23 | ahhh gatorade | |
| 22:23 | well you wont be dehydrated :) | |
| 22:24 | gmcharlt | heh |
| 22:25 | chris | sounds like a nice place from readig wikipedia |
| 22:29 | gmcharlt | just as long as you don't need parking during football games, apparently :) |
| 22:29 | atz | much like Columbus, that way |
| 22:30 | chris | yeah thats one huge university they have there |
| 22:30 | rhcl | does liblime have a brick and mortar building anywhere? |
| 22:30 | chris | yep |
| 22:30 | in athens ohio | |
| 22:31 | i even have photo | |
| 22:31 | s | |
| 22:31 | hehe | |
| 22:31 | rhcl | so does anybody work (from) there? |
| 22:31 | atz | yeah, some of the core staff |
| 22:31 | rhcl | gee, I would think that would be most of the developers. :) |
| 22:33 | chris | well thats the wonderful thing about the internet |
| 22:34 | bit too far to commute :) | |
| 22:35 | rhcl | Yea, I can see some transportation issues with that. |
| 22:35 | pianohacker | chris: photos on flickr? |
| 22:35 | chris | just in my gallery |
| 22:35 | 2 secs | |
| 22:35 | pianohacker | thanks |
| 22:36 | chris | http://photos.bigballofwax.co.[…]hp?g2_itemId=9672 |
| 22:36 | i was quite taken by the iced tea maker .. not something you see here :) | |
| 22:38 | pianohacker | Interesting, an open source shop with an Apple fetish :) |
| 22:38 | chris | its really just bsd :) |
| 22:39 | pianohacker | deep down |
| 22:40 | chris | apple for all their sins (and they have quite a few) do make a nice laptop :) |
| 22:40 | pianohacker | A _very_ nice laptop |
| 22:40 | chris | but im back on my aspire 5000 now |
| 22:41 | which has a tendency to get too hot to actually be on my lap | |
| 22:42 | but since all i do with it is run xterms and a webbrowser .. it does the trick :) | |
| 22:42 | id quite like one of the msi winds ... with the 6.5 hour battery | |
| 22:43 | gmcharlt | 30 years of PCs, and we end up with a fancy terminal ;) |
| 22:43 | chris | if i got a spare battery thats the 13 hours a flight from nz to LAX takes :) |
| 22:44 | yeah thats slightly longer, they are further west than us | |
| 22:44 | not a huge amount of fun | |
| 22:44 | altho, air nz does have all 3 lord of the rings movies .. watch them back to back and thats the whole flight :-) | |
| 22:44 | gmcharlt | hah! cool |
| 22:47 | chris | my wife and kahu are heading back in october (before he turns 2 and we have to pay for him) .. all the way to pittsburgh |
| 22:48 | here even | |
| 22:49 | sheesh i need more coffee | |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | coffee++ |
| 22:49 | chris | but that should be an 'interesting' trip |
| 22:49 | gmcharlt | tea++ |
| 22:49 | caffeine++ | |
| 22:49 | chris | i dont think he can sit still for 13 minutes :-) |
| 22:50 | gmcharlt | lol |
| 22:50 | I sympathize | |
| 22:51 | I'm going to have to drive a thousand miles with four cats in the back seat | |
| 22:51 | pianohacker | Oh my god |
| 22:51 | chris | hehe |
| 22:51 | pianohacker | And apparently, an on call EMT team |
| 22:52 | gmcharlt | nah, they'll be in carriers - it's the on-call shrink and vet I'm worried about :) |
| 22:52 | pianohacker | Heh |
| 22:56 | chris | ok, i think we are gonna head out to http://staglands.co.nz/ now |
| 22:56 | have a good weekend all | |
| 22:57 | gmcharlt | you too |
| 22:57 | pianohacker | cya |
| 02:46 | aindilis` | gmcharlt: ping |
| 03:02 | gmcharlt | aindilis: pong |
| 03:03 | aindilis | hey, were you the one I was asking about the koha newircbot web log interface? |
| 03:03 | gmcharlt | yeah - haven't heard yet if it will be put under GPL |
| 03:04 | aindilis | oh okay, srry to pester then |
| 03:04 | gmcharlt | no problem |
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