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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:29 | ryan | hdl: around ? |
| 13:49 | paul | ryan: nope, hdl is teaching Koha. He should appear in a few hours, with hdl_laptop nickname |
| 14:37 | acmoore | at YAPC this year, everyone was talking about how great the NY Times Profiler is http://open.blogs.nytimes.com/[…]es-perl-profiler/ |
| 14:37 | perhps it would be a good took for those of us who are investigating performance improvements. | |
| 14:41 | paul | acmoore: you should drop a mail to koha-devel with this link... |
| 14:41 | gmcharlt | greetings paul et #koha |
| 14:41 | paul | hello gmcharlt (& acmoore) |
| 14:47 | acmoore | OK, paul. I did. |
| 15:04 | atz | acmoore: nice link |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | hdl: about? |
| 15:18 | paul | gmcharlt: hdl is away during the day for the week (teaching Koha at a library) |
| 15:18 | should appear under nick hdl_laptop in a moment. | |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | paul: then is he actively working on bug 2297? |
| 15:18 | paul | he investigated it yesterday, and think that : |
| 15:18 | - he understood were the problem was | |
| 15:19 | - was unhappy to see that someone broke a feature that used to work, probably by ignoring some specificities of the code (his fault : lack of POD & comments) | |
| 15:20 | so he was sure enough that he could fix the problem quickly. | |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | the thing is, I have a patch ready to go soon for it as well |
| 15:20 | paul | send it & copy it to him. |
| 15:20 | gmcharlt | the problem is the ModBiblio API |
| 15:20 | paul | he will confirm or not. |
| 15:21 | is the "Columbia hostages freed " affair make as much noise in US as in France ? | |
| 15:21 | gmcharlt | paul: it made the front page of the Chicago Tribune |
| 15:21 | paul | because here, you can't open radio, TV, internet or newspaper without hearing of it !!! |
| 15:22 | gmcharlt | paul: but regarding 2297, I think I'm going to submit a patch to deal with all uses of ModBiblio and how it handles embedded items, since the issue is broader than just the subscription add |
| 16:04 | Kyle | Hey all. We just got a vmware appliance up and running for Koha 3 RC 1 on Debian Etch. |
| 16:04 | paul | hi Kyle |
| 16:04 | great ! | |
| 16:05 | gmcharlt | Kyle++ |
| 16:05 | Kyle | Hi paul. I'd like to put the image on koha.org, does anyone know how I would go about that? |
| 16:05 | paul | mmm... I would say "ask chris" & maybe "wait next week to upload the VMware of 3.0 official ! |
| 16:06 | Kyle | If 3.0 is out next week, I think waiting is a good idea. |
| 16:13 | On a side not,e, which do you all think would be better, to upload an image that is ready to be setup ( that is, when you go to port 8080, it takes you though the install wizard ) or to upload an image that is already set up with the example data. | |
| 16:14 | or I could do one of each. | |
| 16:14 | gmcharlt | Kyle: one of each |
| 16:14 | Kyle | choice is good ; ) |
| 16:14 | gmcharlt | Kyle: or perhaps better, the former along with a nicely detailed wiki entry on customizing the image |
| 16:15 | paul | Kyle: the installer is supposed to solve this question. |
| 16:15 | as, if you have an empty DB, it will ask you what you want to setup | |
| 16:15 | so, just put your sample DB in installer scope, and that's enough ;-) | |
| 16:16 | gmcharlt | paul: but if you want to just play around with Koha and have something that works with no setup whatsoever, that's also nice |
| 16:16 | Kyle | yes, I really like that option of example data, afaik it doesn't create and sample items in the db, am I correct? |
| 16:17 | paul | no, you're wrong. you can have a full sample DB, that overwrite all other parameters the user could choose |
| 16:17 | during install | |
| 16:17 | kados: around ? | |
| 16:17 | Kyle | paul: you mean there is an option to put in example items? |
| 16:17 | paul | it's SQL, so you can put whatever you want ! |
| 16:18 | even a 100k production ready DB with 2 years of issuing history | |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | Kyle: yes, the scripts in installer/data/mysql/<lang> |
| 16:18 | paul | (just that it result in a large large .tar.gz...) |
| 16:18 | Kyle | I mean, it creates example item types and patrons types, and example patrons, but I didn't see an option for dummy items during the web install. |
| 16:19 | paul | because LibLime did not add a file for that. |
| 16:19 | but that's a choice, not a limit | |
| 16:19 | you can just "mysqldump yourdb" | |
| 16:19 | then add it to Koha, and that's OK, it can be "imported" by the installer ! | |
| 16:19 | mmm... another limit maybe the Apache timeout. | |
| 16:19 | gmcharlt | Kyle: uh, warning: doing that naively will violate patron privacy |
| 16:20 | paul | so don't setup a 100k DB with 2 years history... |
| 16:20 | gmcharlt | i.e., be selective in what you dump |
| 16:20 | paul | gmcharlt: right ;-) |
| 16:20 | (I did a "anonymise.pl" script, that anonymise everything in a patron | |
| 16:20 | '(mails, addresses, birthdate, phone, ...) | |
| 16:20 | Kyle | gmcharlt: yes, I understand that. |
| 16:21 | paul | replacing it by a random sample or {rand}{street|av|bd}{something|somethingelse} {random zipcode} {random city} |
| 16:21 | Kyle | paul: is that script in the Koha 3 repo? |
| 16:21 | paul | nope.a |
| 16:22 | as it's frenchy addresses | |
| 16:22 | but I can send it to you if you want | |
| 16:22 | Kyle | Ah, I see. |
| 16:22 | paul | cities : {paris|Marseille|Lyon|Toulouse|...} |
| 16:22 | Kyle | You don't need to. The example patrons already in there should work just fine. |
| 16:23 | For sample items, wouldn't something have to be done with zebra, as well as with mysql? | |
| 16:24 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 16:24 | installer would have to do something like kick off bulkmarcimport followed by a rebuild_zebra | |
| 16:26 | Kyle | Yes, that is why I think it might be nice to have a vmware image that is not yet setup, and one that is set up with all the example data, and some exmple items. That way if someone wants to try it out right away they can choose the already set up image, as it would have libraries, patrons, and items. |
| 16:26 | paul | Kyle: ++ |
| 16:27 | Kyle | paul: thanks : ) |
| 16:27 | atz | a vmware image will get a lot more ppl who can't handle the linux admin parts of the install |
| 16:28 | they can run it on their windows workstation or whatever | |
| 16:28 | Kyle | agreed. |
| 16:29 | paul | the best solution would be to have X versions : Zebra / NoZebra , UNIMARC / MARC21, en only / i18n, ... |
| 16:30 | atz | so instead of the current "I installed 2.2.9 perfectly, but I got this error..." all the questions on [Koha] will be "So how do I edit the HTML?" |
| 16:30 | gmcharlt | paul: hence why I suggested ading documentation about customizing the image |
| 16:30 | or we could just ask Kyle to do it all ;) | |
| 16:30 | paul | here in france, I think some libraries would be interested to have a vmware for "small library, that want simple cataloguing, with hide_marc=ON) |
| 16:30 | Kyle | heh : ) |
| 16:30 | paul | having Kyle explaining is better, from far :D |
| 16:31 | Kyle | If we can get a list of combinations hammered out like paul listed earlier ( Zebra/NoZebra, etc... ) I will see what I can do. |
| 16:32 | I think we should limit it to the big ones, so people wanting to try it out don't get overwhelmed by the options. | |
| 16:32 | gmcharlt | well, the default image w/o sample data could handle most of the options |
| 16:32 | atz | Kyle: i wouldn't bother w/ a no zebra image. |
| 16:32 | gmcharlt | e.g., have it have the Zebra processes be running, but user can choose NoZebra during installer if they wish |
| 16:32 | atz | it is pretty easy to turn NoZebra on |
| 16:33 | right | |
| 16:33 | gmcharlt | isntall all of the langauges, etc. |
| 16:33 | then if you wanted a fr-FR NoZebra image with sample data, you could customize the base image | |
| 16:35 | Kyle | gmcharlt: do you mean customize the base image and upload it as another downloadable option, or have the user download the image and then customize it? I imagine having it pre-customized would be better. We can always have a "If you are not sure which version to download, pick this one" option. |
| 16:35 | gmcharlt | the former |
| 16:35 | the default image would serve two purposes | |
| 16:36 | 1. version that allows a user to try out any combination of options | |
| 16:36 | Kyle | Yes, I see. That sounds good to me. |
| 16:36 | gmcharlt | 2. basis for a furhter-customized image that someone does and uploads |
| 16:38 | Kyle | yes. Essentially, we create version 1, then make copies of it and run the setup with whichever options we want, throw some items into the database, and uplaod it. |
| 16:49 | paul | gmcharlt: hdl_laptop is here now ;-) |
| 16:50 | gmcharlt | hi henri |
| 16:53 | hdl_laptop | hi gmcharlt |
| 16:53 | paul told me you had a patch for subscriptions ? | |
| 16:53 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: bug 2297 |
| 16:54 | change will be to have ModBiblio live up to its name and modify only the bib portion, not change the items | |
| 16:54 | I'm writing a test case for it now | |
| 16:55 | hdl_laptop | Is it a problem of ModBiblio ??? |
| 16:56 | This would be surprising to me. | |
| 16:56 | gmcharlt | a problem of its design, anyway |
| 16:56 | it goes like this: | |
| 16:56 | 1. retrieve MARC bib - it has items embedded in 952/955/whatever tags | |
| 16:56 | 2. munge the bib (assume that you don't care about the items) | |
| 16:56 | 3. call ModBiblio() | |
| 16:57 | what ModBiblio does is add all of the item tags from the original version of the bib | |
| 16:57 | to the MARC::Record that you passed in | |
| 16:57 | then save the bib to DB | |
| 16:57 | however, if you got that MARC::Record from GetBiblio | |
| 16:57 | it *already* has the item fields | |
| 16:57 | so ModBiblio will add them back | |
| 16:58 | most clients of ModBiblio remember to remove the item tags first before calling ModBiblio | |
| 16:58 | but not all | |
| 16:58 | if, on other hand, ModBiblio() ignores any item tags from the incoming bib, problem goes away - APIs like AddItem() shoudl be used to handle the items | |
| 17:01 | hdl_laptop | I trust you intestiguated more than me. |
| 17:01 | I investiguated yesterday... | |
| 17:02 | And was surprised to see that PrepareItems would use AddItem but not link serial created with the itemnumber. | |
| 17:02 | but it was really late. | |
| 17:02 | So I can have overlooked some parameters. | |
| 17:03 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: that part is probably a separate issue from the creation of duplciate item tags |
| 17:08 | hdl_laptop | ok. |
| 17:08 | gmcharlt: are you sending your patch to the list or are you pushing it quite soon ? | |
| 17:08 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: I'll be sending patch to list soon |
| 17:21 | hdl_laptop | thx gmcharlt |
| 17:21 | bbs | |
| 17:40 | rhcl | Anybody online here from LibLime? Maybe they are getting an early start for the holiday? |
| 17:40 | atz | yeah, several of us are here |
| 17:40 | what's up? | |
| 17:41 | acmoore | here! |
| 17:41 | atz | in fact, rhcl, from here you almost look like one of'm (that sometimes goes by "rch") |
| 17:42 | acmoore | yeah, I caught myself in a double-take over that, too. |
| 17:44 | nengard | i'm here too - wish i was getting an early holiday start!! |
| 17:44 | even though i just got off vaca | |
| 17:44 | heh | |
| 17:44 | atz | raining here... :\ |
| 17:44 | nengard | atz they say that's coming our way |
| 17:44 | gmcharlt | perfect day in Chicago |
| 17:45 | acmoore | we got a few inches of rain last night, designed just perfectly to try to prevent fires from the fireworks this weekend. |
| 17:48 | rhcl | I just received an inquiry from a major software vendor of ILS "accessories". I'd kinda like to ask a brief question via email or pm of someone who can better speak for the Koha community than me. |
| 17:48 | gmcharlt | rhc1: can it be asked publically on koha or koha-devel? |
| 17:49 | atz | koha has verifiable SIP support now, if that's the question. :) |
| 17:50 | acmoore | gmcharlt, did you intend to add a "use CGI" in that patch you just sent me? |
| 17:50 | rhcl | Maybe it's not so critical, but I would prefer a direct email with someone. |
| 17:50 | gmcharlt | acmoore: yes, I did - required if you're running a single test class |
| 17:51 | rhcl | Oh, no, it's not about SIP. |
| 17:51 | acmoore | why? I don't see where it's used or anything. |
| 17:51 | gmcharlt | acmoore: startup_30_login |
| 17:52 | acmoore | gmcharlt, hmm. why was it working before? |
| 17:52 | (I'm not saying you're doing it wrong. I'm just saying I don't see it yet) | |
| 17:52 | gmcharlt | when running full test, CGI.pm must have been slurped in somewhere use |
| 17:53 | acmoore | weird. well, whatever. It's obviously used, so it should be "use"d |
| 17:53 | OK. I'll apply this and try it out in a few minutes. good idea! | |
| 18:14 | gmcharlt, I'm taking a look at your patch to the test suite. Have a second? | |
| 18:14 | gmcharlt | acmoore: ok |
| 18:15 | acmoore | I can't quite get it to work, I guess. I get a lot of errors about redefined subs and "cannot test anonymous subs - you probably loaded a Test::Class too late" and then the whole test suite still runs. |
| 18:15 | gmcharlt | acmoore: the TEST_FILES= is required |
| 18:16 | acmoore | on the command line? |
| 18:16 | gmcharlt | when you're using test-single - otherwise, defaults to database_dependent.pl, and has effect of trying to call runtests twice |
| 18:16 | acmoore: yes | |
| 18:17 | acmoore | I can't quite get it. What should the command line look like? |
| 18:20 | gmcharlt | make test-single TEST_FILES=lib/KohaTest/Biblio.pm |
| 18:21 | acmoore | aaahh. |
| 18:22 | atz | i would have been fooled by that into doing: TEST_FILES=lib/KohaTest/Biblio.pm make test-single |
| 18:22 | like w/ other make vars | |
| 18:22 | acmoore | atz, I was, too. |
| 18:23 | gmcharlt, so, now it runs tests at least, but by running a few of them, I think I have my database well botched, so none of them really pass anymore. | |
| 18:23 | gmcharlt | the one is setting an env var, the second is setting a make variable |
| 18:24 | acmoore | I'll run the whole suite again and see if I can restore the database enough to be usable again. |
| 18:25 | gmcharlt | acmoore: calculated risk - one could put the whole DB clearing step into the INIT, but that would mean slowing the tests |
| 18:25 | long-term, IMO, better to design the test classes so that they can assume that the DB tables exist, but not make any particular assumptions about their contents, and to clean up after themselves | |
| 18:25 | acmoore | gmcharlt, have you sucessfully used this in a test-code-test-code-test cycle? |
| 18:25 | gmcharlt | yes |
| 18:26 | acmoore | OK, then it's probably worth me signing off on. |
| 18:26 | hdl_laptop | hi again |
| 18:26 | acmoore | I'd like to fix the docs, though. The commit message is misleading about the usage, I think. |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | I'll fix it |
| 18:26 | acmoore | gmcharlt, can I edit the change before I sign it somehow? |
| 18:26 | gmcharlt | I see now that I missed the TEST_FILES=bit |
| 18:26 | acmoore | or, I guess, what's the procedure here? |
| 18:27 | gmcharlt | acmoore: better for me to resubmit |
| 18:27 | acmoore | OK. Whenever you get to it. |
| 18:28 | gmcharlt | semt |
| 18:29 | sent, even | |
| 18:29 | acmoore | gmcharlt, and then I have patches for the overdue notices script. I'm sure I've missed some stuff and could use a second pair of eyes if you get some time. Can you give me 20 minites or so? |
| 18:30 | gmcharlt | acmoore: sure, in about 10 minutes |
| 18:33 | acmoore | I'll mail them. You don't have to apply them, but I'm sure you'll see something like missing docs or something. |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt, your patch signed and sent. | |
| 18:34 | gmcharlt | thx |
| 18:48 | acmoore | gmcharlt, sent you 5 patches for 2274. If you get a moment to at least eyeball them, that would be great. |
| 18:52 | is Fr?d?ric some kind of super-linguist? He deserves a cookie or something. | |
| 19:14 | frederic | hello |
| 19:14 | Is there something wrong with koha-devel and koha-translate lists? | |
| 19:15 | My messages appear in koha-devel hours after I post them | |
| 19:15 | And don't appear at all in koha-translate | |
| 19:16 | acmoore | I saw a recent post from you on the translate list. |
| 19:16 | Here are some recent ones from you: http://koha.markmail.org/search/?q=frederic | |
| 19:16 | RTL language stuff? | |
| 19:17 | frederic | acmoore: thanks. I haven't seen for koha-translate. Something wrong on my side |
| 19:17 | But it take forever to appear | |
| 19:17 | Yes RTL | |
| 19:18 | acmoore | oh, it looks like markmail may not be archiving koha-translate. |
| 19:19 | hdl_laptop | frederic: I had to ackowledge your message. |
| 19:19 | and had no internet connction. | |
| 19:20 | frederic | hdl_laptop: thks. And why do you have to? |
| 19:21 | hdl_laptop | you were not member on that email before posting. |
| 19:22 | it seems. | |
| 19:22 | frederic | koha-translate or koha-devel? |
| 19:23 | atz | OO barcodes modules sent. nothing important yet, but pretty cool to look at (much better model for extension) |
| 19:24 | hdl_laptop | koha-devel |
| 19:24 | koha-translate, no message pending approval | |
| 19:25 | have you sent messages to that list recently ? | |
| 19:27 | I have one from you on that list in my box sent today. | |
| 19:27 | Koha Arabic Version | |
| 19:30 | acmoore | atz++ |
| 19:32 | frederic | atz: are you the one who know how to do OO programing in Perl? |
| 19:32 | atz | sure, it's not that hard |
| 19:33 | frederic | hdl_laptop: I sent 2 messages this morning (our morning) and no one appear immediatly, neither koha-devel nor koha-translate. And then I saw thme this evening. |
| 19:33 | atz | it's just very easy to do procedural stuff |
| 19:34 | the SIP abstraction layer (ILS) is also OO | |
| 19:34 | frederic | atz: for you, it's easy. What's very confusing in Context.pm is the mix OO/procedures |
| 19:34 | atz | yeah, that happens in many places |
| 19:34 | frederic | Yes, I've seen. Very clean design |
| 19:34 | atz | Dates.pm has that too, because it has legacy functions from Date.pm |
| 19:35 | frederic | I would be so easy to have for example a Syspref class which hide the implementation... No SQL UPDATE in the code... |
| 19:35 | Later | |
| 19:36 | atz | frederic: yeah, that would be a good move |
| 19:37 | frederic | Does anybody know someone who had to deal with right-to-left language support in Koha? |
| 19:37 | I can see that there is an Hebrew translation for example | |
| 19:37 | acmoore | I think gmcharlt is intending to write a mutator to let us set sysprefs without SQL. |
| 19:37 | frederic | a mutator! I have to google |
| 19:38 | atz | the Physics ppl in Islamabad probably did rtl, i think |
| 19:39 | acmoore | frederic, or a "setter", a method to let you write the value of an attribute. |
| 19:39 | frederic | what's strange is that rtl support requires specific care in template and CSS. For me it's not here yet. So I'm surprised there hasn't more feedback on that |
| 19:39 | acmoore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutator_method | |
| 19:39 | I found | |
| 19:56 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: I have seen that DelItem still required (dbh) to be passed along as parameter. |
| 19:57 | I thought we decided not to pass dbh as function parameter but to use C4::Context->dbh | |
| 19:57 | just to point it. | |
| 19:57 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: evidently it got missed - I didn't add back the $dbh |
| 20:33 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: Is there anyone at liblime who has jquery knowledge and is available interested in what I have been doing on subscription-add.pl ? |
| 20:33 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: I can take a look at it |
| 20:34 | ccatalfo would be better, though | |
| 20:35 | ccatalfo | hdl_laptop: i can take a look, too. (I'm ok on jquery knowledge; not so good on koha knowledge) |
| 20:35 | hdl_laptop | It is is a really poor state at the moment. I am full of ideas. but has no time and little skills on jquery so that it takes me too much time. |
| 20:39 | ccatalfo | hdl_laptop: how far along have you gotten? How much is left to be implemented? |
| 21:04 | acmoore | The recent email brought my attention to the 'select 1' clause in C4::Context::dbh. Is that just there to make sure that we're connected to a database? It seems like there might be a better way to do that. |
| 21:04 | Isn't there a DBI::ping method or something? or, can we not depend on auto_reconnect to work? | |
| 21:05 | I guess I'm wondering what problem occurred that caused us to add that. | |
| 21:09 | hdl_laptop | ccatalfo_: couldnot get too far unfortunately. |
| 21:10 | I detail in a mail. | |
| 21:22 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: got the email; will comment tomorrow |
| 21:28 | hdl_laptop | thx. |
| 21:36 | ccatalfo_ | hdl_laptop: thx for the email; i'll check it out tomorrow, too |
| 21:36 | hdl_laptop | gmcharlt: is C4::Context->dbh access slower than passing dbh ? |
| 21:37 | + I thought at first glance that dbh was not used in DelItem | |
| 21:37 | So that tehere would have been no good not to remove it from _koha_delete_item. | |
| 21:49 | gmcharlt | hdl_laptop: marginally slower, perhaps - I just think it's one thing to not pass in $dbh in the public API, and a different in the private one |
| 21:54 | hdl_laptop | I agree. |
| 22:04 | getting tired. | |
| 22:04 | good night | |
| 22:04 | (midnight here) | |
| 22:54 | rach | howdy |
| 22:54 | I was thinking to put the venuzuala announcement on the koha website | |
| 22:54 | any objections? | |
| 22:54 | masonj | oooh, great idea rach |
| 07:22 | mc | hello world |
| 07:22 | désolé pour la grasse mat.: je viens juste d'arriver | |
| 07:25 | oopps ... i'm on #koha ... not #koha-fr | |
| 07:25 | so please don't carre about the french line | |
| 07:25 | and excuse me | |
| 08:18 | paul | mmm... investigating cpan mirrors, I find http://www.cs.uu.nl/stats/mirmon/cpan.html#fr |
| 08:19 | that says there is something wrong with cpan.catalyst.net.nz ... | |
| 11:45 | js | who know where is the firefox plugin to search in koha database ? |
| 11:45 | hi (before ;)) |
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