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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:34 | owen | Good Monday, #koha |
| 12:38 | slef | is it? |
| 13:30 | kados | heya owen et al |
| 13:30 | owen | Hi kados |
| 14:01 | slef | Is there current end-user documentation for authorities? |
| 14:03 | gmcharlt | slef: I think negard has included them in the manual she's writing - should come out of internal review and be published soon |
| 14:24 | slef | gmcharlt: is it possible to get a prerelease? |
| 14:25 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, I assume Paul et al did. |
| 14:25 | slef: I | |
| 14:25 | slef: we'll get you a preview of the manual | |
| 14:26 | slef | gmcharlt: thanks. I'm a bit stuck advising someone how to upload hierarchical authorities. |
| 14:27 | gmcharlt | slef: no problem. if hdl or paul are about, they are in a better position to advise about the hierarchical authorities - MARC21 is rather different from UNIMARC in that respect, AFAICT |
| 14:28 | slef | paul just pto'd so I guess he's not. |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt: one you may know: why does perl Makefile.PL ask all questions twice? | |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt: or is it just me? | |
| 14:29 | gmcharlt | slef: I think it's just you :) |
| 14:29 | when did this start happening? | |
| 14:30 | slef | about when I stopped sending patches because I assumed I'd broken my dev/test server... 2 months? I thought it was just me, but I can't see a reason for it. |
| 14:31 | let's wait and see if anyone else has noticed this? | |
| 14:31 | gmcharlt | ok, I'll wait and see |
| 14:52 | mc | hello all |
| 15:06 | slef | hi mc - have you had perl Makefile.PL asking you the same questions twice in one run? |
| 15:07 | mc | never seen this problem |
| 15:07 | slef | run Makefile.PL much? |
| 15:11 | gmcharlt | slef: what platform? and are you running it interactively or through a script? |
| 15:16 | slef | gmcharlt: debian stable (amd64 IIRC) and both of them do the same (but it doesn't wait for answers if run from a script) |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | slef: the second time it asks the question, is it different (e.g., adding " (default from environment)" or "Value 'foo' is not a valid option."? |
| 15:19 | mc | slef, i run Makefile almost daily :) |
| 15:23 | slef | gmcharlt: not as far as I can tell |
| 15:24 | mc | slef, last one was thursday in fact |
| 15:26 | gmcharlt | slef: when you do that, please grab a copy of your env vars as well |
| 15:27 | slef | will do... env should be pretty clean except for PERL5LIB=~/perl or similar |
| 15:27 | (actually, definitely similar) | |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | owen: yeah, I was expecting that to be the initial response to the RFCs, actually :) |
| 15:36 | owen | I hope you're right |
| 15:36 | gmcharlt | well, since you're the first to respond, by definition, I am :) |
| 15:37 | cogito ergo sum? | |
| 15:56 | slef | #define owen right |
| 15:57 | (define owen 'right) | |
| 15:57 | owen | |
| 15:57 | right | |
| 18:26 | dkg | i'm setting up my cronjob to update zebra, and i'm concerned about the noisiness. |
| 18:26 | i'm invoking it as "./misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -z | |
| 18:26 | (whoops -- missed trailing "). and i get about a screenful of output on every successful run. | |
| 18:27 | my sysadmin instincts say that cronjobs should be silent when successful, and produce useful debugging info (and non-zero return codes) when they fail. | |
| 18:28 | nengard | sys pref question "I have a question about the NoReturnSetLost Patron preference. The library has enter a time period in days. However, it's not clear whether the system starts counting from the checkout date or the due date. I'm hoping it's the due date because of the different loan periods." |
| 18:29 | dkg | Any suggestions for how to make rebuild_zebra.pl quiet during success? |
| 18:32 | (without silencing error details, that is) | |
| 18:52 | gmcharlt | dkg: file a bug. the stuff printed by rebuild_zebra.pl itself can readily be quieted; it also calls zebraidx, and its output could be redirected to a separate log or something |
| 19:05 | dkg | gmcharlt: ok, done: http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=2232 |
| 19:07 | fbcit-1 | it seems things go a bit sour when adding more than 49 items to a label batch |
| 19:09 | tim | Doe anyone know why I'd be getting this error? |
| 19:09 | Cannot Check In This item must be checked in at its home library. NOT CHECKED IN | |
| 19:09 | atz | tim: you have independent branches on? |
| 19:10 | tim | yes |
| 19:11 | But the systempref is called IndependantBranches. Do we have a typ there? | |
| 19:11 | atz | french vs/ english |
| 19:12 | it's the price we pay for international development coordination :) | |
| 19:12 | paul | ;) |
| 19:12 | (hello world) | |
| 19:12 | (limit june,11th) | |
| 19:13 | atz | tim: there are a couple of other sysprefs that govern behavior of returns under indy.branches |
| 19:13 | tim | Should it be on? |
| 19:14 | atz | AutomaticItemReturn i think is one |
| 19:16 | mc | is there a way to imcrease zebrasrv verbosity ? |
| 19:16 | (to know what files are included by xml config?) | |
| 19:17 | atz | tim: IndependantBranches is a very wide-affect syspref. if you aren't sure you need it on, definitely turn it off. |
| 19:18 | the other relevant value is HomeOrHoldingBranch | |
| 19:19 | (if you want to keep ID on) | |
| 19:24 | tim | This seems to be working. I'll stick with IndependantBranches off for now at least. |
| 19:24 | Thanks | |
| 19:31 | The status of an item isn't completely kept during an update from 2.2. If an item was checked out before the update, the status won't show in a search listing, but it will show if you get the item details. | |
| 19:36 | I see items.onloan in version 3, but where does 2.2 keep the onloan status? | |
| 19:42 | atz | tim: there is an items.onloan field still |
| 19:42 | er, wait. you're asking the reverse. | |
| 19:42 | that I'm less familiar w/ | |
| 20:11 | rhcl | Sorry for perhaps an uninformed question here, but is it necessary to rebuild or update zebra routinely, or is that just for development? |
| 20:12 | gmcharlt | rhcl: the zebra indexes need to be updated whenver a bib, authority, or item changes, but that is done via rebuild_zebra.pl -z as a cronjob or zebraqueue_daemon.pl |
| 20:12 | rebuilding the entire index is mostly a development thing, but also is needed if you change index definitions | |
| 08:02 | Solomon | In koha 3 beta does idzebra index the database directly or some records obtained from the database? |
| 08:07 | masonj_ | zebra uses its own index, not any index from the mysql koha database |
| 08:07 | zebra uses its own indexes | |
| 08:09 | there is a daemon process that inserts newly added koha records into zebra as they are created | |
| 08:10 | make sense to you? | |
| 08:14 | Solomon | Yes it does. So that implies that the daemon process fetches the new records and presents them to idzebra? |
| 08:20 | If this is so I want to know how I can access the records presented to zebra so that I can index them using another egine | |
| 08:21 | masonj_ | yes, (1st question ;) ) |
| 08:22 | you could access the zebra records in different ways | |
| 08:22 | 1) the ZOOM perl module | |
| 08:23 | 2) yazclient , a Z39.50 search client | |
| 08:25 | 3) thru koha's subs in C4/Z3950.pm, perhaps... | |
| 08:26 | i would start with yazclient first, its the easiest to start with | |
| 08:27 | Solomon | I have used the yaz client an received the data in xml format after I specified so |
| 08:28 | But I have a problem with the response | |
| 08:28 | masonj_ | you got some xml , with not much in it ? |
| 08:29 | Solomon | The response contains some codes I dont understand and I cant find any link like feature for more info on the item I received |
| 08:30 | How does the search interface in koha know how or where to direct the user for more info on an item? | |
| 08:30 | masonj_ | remember to send your details in a mail to the zebra mailing-list too |
| 08:30 | zebralistlists.indexdata.dk |
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| 08:32 | Solomon | I have already done that but kind of required some faster reply |
| 08:34 | masonj_ | whats the subject of your email?, ill have a read now.. |
| 08:35 | ' Incomplete Example' ? | |
| 08:43 | masonj | Solomon: ill mail u my zebra conf files |
| 08:43 | Solomon | Ok I'm waiting for them |
| 08:47 | masonj | ok, on their way now.... |
| 08:55 | Solomon | well I can see that for the biblios database which is of my interest, they use the grs.xml format. But I cant locate the records files(i.e. the grsxml files) in the directory |
| 08:55 | Do you know where they are? | |
| 08:59 | masonj | hmm, sorry that was a bad example ;( |
| 09:02 | i only have 1 zebradb about currently, and its .5 gig, so i cant email you that | |
| 09:03 | Solomon | I wouldn't mind if you ave me the dir relative to koha where your db is located so that I can try to locate mine too |
| 09:04 | masonj | var/lib/zebradb |
| 09:04 | $YOUR_KOHA/var/lib/zebradb | |
| 09:05 | . | |
| 09:05 | FYI: look in your koha-conf.xml file... | |
| 09:06 | <directory>/home/mason/k/kohahead/var/lib/zebradb/biblios</directory> | |
| 09:08 | Solomon | thank you I got it let me try and see if there is a way I can use that. I'll get back to you if I need more help. Thanks a lot |
| 09:08 | mc | does someone knows this problem: |
| 09:09 | one of my koha vhost is just sending http header again and again | |
| 09:09 | as html content | |
| 09:09 | masonj | ah, ive seen that before mc |
| 09:09 | mc | not all http header: just content type in fact |
| 09:09 | masonj | its very probably a bad user/password combo |
| 09:10 | look in your /var/log/apache2/error.log file | |
| 09:10 | mc | wow! |
| 09:10 | nothing on it :- | |
| 09:10 | ( | |
| 09:10 | allready checkej | |
| 09:10 | checked | |
| 09:10 | masonj | hmm, thats always been the cause of my problem |
| 09:11 | mc | ok: i'll check my db right |
| 09:11 | s | |
| 09:11 | thx for clue masonj | |
| 09:11 | masonj | yeah, that next.. |
| 09:13 | mc | you got it ! |
| 09:13 | i just have a new error now :) | |
| 09:15 | paul | this one is easy mc ... |
| 09:16 | in systempreferences, set DebugLevel to 2 | |
| 09:16 | Solomon | masonj if you just gace me a clue about the codes. Let me send you a mail with one response then you will like tell me whether you get it |
| 09:16 | paul | you should get more info than "production mode, trapped" ;-) |
| 09:16 | masonj | Solomon, yep send it over |
| 09:17 | mc | paul, ok |
| 09:17 | thx | |
| 09:30 | masonj | ok, i understand solomon |
| 09:31 | you are looking at a record format called 'MARC' ;) | |
| 09:32 | http://www.loc.gov/marc/biblio[…]hic/ecbdhome.html | |
| 09:33 | the 952 values are vendor-specific (read: koha) | |
| 09:34 | 952 $7 0 $k 967.6 $p 772 $v 20/09/2007 $4 0 $0 0 $9 5 $b KNA $1 0 $u 5 $d KNA | |
| 09:34 | . | |
| 09:34 | but the rest of your record should conform to the LOC MARC standard | |
| 09:37 | Solomon | The url is giving me a blank response but I will try to see whether I can gather further information about the codes |
| 09:42 | masonj | Solomon: on your koha install - look at these 2 files, to explain what the koha 952 code map too |
| 09:42 | marc21_framework_DEFAULT.sql | |
| 09:42 | unimarc_framework_DEFAULT.sql | |
| 09:46 | Solomon | Thank you very much. It seems they give info about the status of the item. Let me see if I will manage to decode my examples/ reponses then. Thank you |
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