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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 13:18 | owen | Hey #kohers. |
| 13:18 | gmcharlt | hi owen and #koha |
| 13:19 | masonj | heya galen, me ask a perl question? |
| 13:19 | gmcharlt | masonj: shoot |
| 13:20 | masonj | ok , in installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl - i want to call a sub from C4::Members .. |
| 13:20 | my ($bor1, $flags) = C4::Members::GetMemberDetails($bor->{'borro | |
| 13:20 | wernumber'} ); | |
| 13:20 | lloyd_ | Owen - thanks for changing that google-jackets.js path yesterday |
| 13:21 | Owen - as you might have seen, I got it working ;)) | |
| 13:21 | masonj | C4::Members::GetMemberDetails() |
| 13:22 | but i get an error saying 'sub not found...' | |
| 13:22 | gmcharlt | masonj: you would need to put in a 'require C4::Members;' |
| 13:22 | owen | lloyd_,I hadn't had a chance to look. That's great. |
| 13:23 | masonj | ok, that was my work-around too |
| 13:24 | thanks galen | |
| 13:24 | gmcharlt | masonj: although, if you can do what you want directly with SQL, it might be better (to avoid an extra dependency and to avoid breaking the DB upgrade script of GetMemberDetails changes) |
| 13:25 | masonj: i.e., if this is regarding the new userflag, you should be able to use SQL functions to do the arithmetic | |
| 13:27 | masonj | i was dreading you suggesting that... |
| 13:27 | gmcharlt | sorry ;) |
| 13:29 | mysql does have bitwise operators and functions, so shouldn't be too bad (http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refma[…]r-functions.html) | |
| 13:29 | I can look at your patch if you want | |
| 13:31 | masonj | ta, just mailed you the db update... |
| 13:32 | so , i just need a little clue-stick at the mo.. | |
| 13:33 | if sally has a flag value of 524802 | |
| 13:33 | whats the math to work out if she has bit 9 set? | |
| 13:33 | 9 = editcatalogue | |
| 13:34 | if i can grok that, then theres no need for the GetMemberDetails() call | |
| 13:40 | gmcharlt | masonj: one approach: http://pastebin.com/d67f19ba0 |
| 13:45 | masonj | wow, thanks galen - ill try that out |
| 13:58 | danny | good morning #koha |
| 14:16 | mc | moin moin danny |
| 14:25 | masonj | sorry about the duped patches i just sent guys... |
| 14:39 | ryan | owen: are you seeing the more dropdown in toplevelnav appearing behind the resident search box ? |
| 14:39 | or is that local to my install? | |
| 14:49 | ccatalfo | rch: i'm seeing that happen in biblios; i started to track down yesterday but didn't get it resolved yet |
| 14:56 | owen | Yeah, I'm seeing it too. I've been trying to figure out what's going on myself. |
| 14:57 | ryan | ah, so it's koha, and not biblios ? |
| 14:57 | owen | Yeah |
| 14:57 | It has to do with the display properties of the patron search box when autocomplete is turned on | |
| 14:58 | ccatalfo | heh i'm glad it's in koha and not biblios :/ |
| 15:00 | owen: fyi in my brief troubleshooting yesterday i thought that behavior was starting in git rev 9717926 | |
| 15:01 | owen | Thanks, I'll see what I can find out |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | owen: quick question - have you had a chance to test fix for bug 2105? |
| 15:18 | owen | No, not yet |
| 15:18 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 15:19 | liz | one of my users seems to have changed something in the branch definitions that has locked out all of our users, even kohadmin. I've tried changing the branch codes back to their original settings but we're still locked out, any ideas? |
| 15:20 | i wasn't there I don' tknow what he did to it >.< | |
| 15:20 | and his description is "I didn't do anything but change the code!" | |
| 15:22 | gmcharlt | liz: are there any error messages in the Apache when you try to log in? |
| 15:22 | Apache log, that is | |
| 15:24 | liz | thanks, I just gave up and dropped the database, it's only a test server he can redo it since he broke it |
| 15:27 | gmcharlt | ah, ok - hopefully the next time he does it ;) he'll take better notes so that we can fix the bug and prevent it from happening again |
| 15:44 | owen | gmcharlt: do you have access to Internet Explorer 7? |
| 15:44 | gmcharlt | owen: yes |
| 15:45 | owen | Every time I use it, I'm forced to log in for every link I click or form I submit. Have you encountered that problem? |
| 15:48 | gmcharlt | owen: just tested in both staff and OPAC - not seeing that |
| 15:49 | is it accepting the session cookies? | |
| 15:49 | owen | I've got the cookie settings set appropriately, I think |
| 15:49 | Must be something weird about my system. | |
| 16:14 | frederic | /admin/authorised_values.pl page doesn't work anymore for me on several installs. In log file, I can see that this issue come from authorised_values table lacking imageurl column. Does anyone else got this? |
| 16:17 | liz | @gmcharlt: yea, for sure. I don't have time to rebuild it all the time ;) |
| 16:18 | gmcharlt | frederic: this was fixed recently - are you running git HEAD or something a bit earlier than that? |
| 16:18 | frederic | gmcharlt: I'm up-to-date to last version from git |
| 16:20 | I see in updatedatabase.pl that an upgrage is supposed to insert imageurl new field in authorised_values table | |
| 16:20 | version 075 | |
| 16:21 | If I alter the table by hand it works. The question remains now why this upgrade hasn't been applied? | |
| 16:22 | gmcharlt | yeah - I wonder if there was some weird sequencing issue where running a version updatedatabase.pl taken from git HEAD on the wrong date caused the 075 SQL to be skipped even as KOHAVESION was set past 075 |
| 16:24 | atz | gmcharlt: is there an intro to usage for KohaTest ? |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt | atz: yeah, acmoore put something up on the koha wiki a couple days ago |
| 16:25 | atz | cool |
| 16:25 | gmcharlt | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ment:unit_testing, specifically |
| 16:27 | frederic | get wrong somewhere. But who knows if there aren't other issues like that which will 'explode' later. |
| 16:27 | text cut. Forget it | |
| 16:29 | acmoore | atz, if you actually try to follow that page, please let me know what questions it doesn't answer and I'll work on it a bit. |
| 16:29 | or, if you figure them out yourself, be bold and update! | |
| 16:31 | atz | are responses to the installer regarding test DB persistent? |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt | atz: yes |
| 16:31 | atz | nice! |
| 16:32 | gmcharlt | done via t/test-config.txt that Makefile.PL creates |
| 17:05 | frederic | Anyone knows why there are differences between MARC21 and UNIMARC in MARC to biblioitems links? There are links in MARC21 which don't exist for UNIMARC in those fields: cn_source, cn_class, cn_item, cn_suffix, cn_sort and totalissues... |
| 17:05 | And is there anywhere an explanation of the purpose of those cn_xxx fields? | |
| 17:05 | And is there anywhere an explanation of the purpose of those cn_xxx fields? | |
| 17:06 | atz | frederic: i think those are arbitrary sorting fields |
| 17:07 | actually, nevermind that. not sure about unimarc vs. marc21 | |
| 17:10 | acmoore | while we're on the topic, what are the borrowers.sort1 and borrowers.sort2 fields? I've looked in few script to try to figure out their point, but with no success. |
| 17:11 | frederic | atz: thanks. I was trying to discover why biblio level call number isn't displayed at all on an UNIMARC DB. I was thinking it was displaying in MARC21 but I realized now that it isn't the case anymore... I was thinking that cn_ was linking to biblio classification field for result/detail page display. |
| 17:12 | atz | acmoore: those are what I was thinking of, actually. |
| 17:12 | just arbitrary fields, used for sorting on reports | |
| 17:13 | could be a homeroom number, teacher, subscription level, etc. | |
| 17:14 | acmoore | hunh. |
| 17:15 | atz | it would be obsolete if our "extended attributes" code ever gets integrated into reports |
| 17:16 | acmoore | yeah, that's where that kind of thing belongs. |
| 17:25 | I swear, I don't ask these questions without trying to answer them myself first, but... | |
| 17:26 | when a patron udpates their information, a staff member has to approve it or whatever. Where is that tool in the staff interface? | |
| 18:36 | atz | acmoore: it's dumber than that, last I saw |
| 18:37 | it emails the admin w/ the updated info | |
| 18:37 | for whatever reason, tiny libraries seem to think this is a feature | |
| 18:42 | owen | I don't know that anyone considers it a feature that the info is emailed, per se |
| 18:43 | But no one has ever built a framework for managing approvals via a web interface. I'm sure that email method goes back to 1.x | |
| 18:44 | atz | you'd need either a shadow borrowers table or the ability to create a temp borrower w/ updated info |
| 18:49 | or maybe DB support for versioning | |
| 18:49 | gmcharlt | for a public library, I could also see wanting to keep address history - i.e., if you let patrons change addresses online, don't necessarily have an approval mechanism, but keep older addresses in case somebody tries to "disappear" after checking out the library's copy of the Necronomicon |
| 18:50 | or as atz said more succently, versioning | |
| 18:54 | ryan | lol |
| 18:58 | acmoore | oh, man. It sounds like that feature needs to be fleshed out a little more at some point. |
| 18:58 | wait, so if you (a staff member) get one of these emails, does it have the new information in it, and you type that into the patron's record? | |
| 18:59 | I suspect that people would like to be able to turn off this "feature". | |
| 19:00 | gmcharlt | acmoore: it certainly doesn't scale |
| 19:00 | ryan | you can disable the ability of patrons to change their info |
| 19:01 | acmoore | In some ways, sending patron change requests off in an email somewhere is pretty much the same thing as disabling them... |
| 19:10 | owen | ryan, what preference is that? |
| 19:12 | saorge | hi, is there anybody who can explain me how to add a thesaurus into koha ? |
| 19:12 | ryan | oh. am i making that up ? :) |
| 19:12 | saorge: do you already have authority records or do you want to create them from your biblio records ? | |
| 19:13 | atz | ryan: i know I've seen that syspref |
| 19:13 | saorge | ryan: actually, it depends of the thesauri ;) |
| 19:14 | for one of them, i have to upload all the authority records into Koha | |
| 19:15 | ryan | owen: hrmm. i'm not seeing it though. |
| 19:15 | saorge: there's a bulkauthimport script | |
| 19:15 | works just like bulkmarcimport. | |
| 19:16 | saorge: are you working with 3.0 ? | |
| 19:16 | saorge | for another one, the possibilities are too big, so, the librarian will create the record |
| 19:16 | owen | ryan, I'll need to do some reorganization if that gets added: I made opac-userupdate.tmpl the default screen instead of having the user click from opac-userdetails.tmpl |
| 19:16 | saorge | yes, i'm ttrying to work with 3.0 |
| 19:16 | s/tt/t/ | |
| 19:17 | bulkauthimport ? OK, i'll check this script | |
| 19:17 | ryan | saorge: marc21 ? |
| 19:19 | saorge | no, Unimarc |
| 19:19 | I'm from Belgium | |
| 19:20 | ryan | you should just be able to run bulkauthimport, then rebuild_zebra with -a option |
| 19:20 | you'll then need to link the records | |
| 19:20 | also a script in misc/ dir for that | |
| 19:21 | saorge | rebuild_zebra.pl ? |
| 19:21 | or rebuild_nozebra.pl in my case | |
| 19:22 | ryan | ah, yes. |
| 19:22 | how large is your collection? | |
| 19:23 | If you have over 10k records, I highly recommend using Zebra. | |
| 19:23 | saorge | actually, I only test Koha |
| 19:24 | I have to give a course on it | |
| 19:35 | well, not exactly on Koha, but on ILS | |
| 19:35 | Koha is used as an illustration | |
| 19:42 | is there another script to execute to be able to use authorities? | |
| 19:51 | ryan | saorge: if you have bib records in the catalog, you'll want to run misc/link_bibs_to_authorities.pl to link the authority records to the bibs. |
| 19:52 | otherwise, you should immediately be able to edit a record using authorities. | |
| 20:01 | saorge | i've tried but I must miss something |
| 20:03 | ryan | saorge: do you have your marc framework set up with authority control ? |
| 20:04 | saorge | i guess |
| 20:04 | during the install, i've asked to install some data | |
| 20:05 | i can see some MARC authorities (subject, etc) | |
| 20:06 | and, in the MARC framework, i can see the link | |
| 20:07 | ryan | so, for a subfield you want controlled, you have selected an authority type in the 'thesaurus' pulldown in the framework editor ? |
| 20:07 | saorge | yes |
| 20:09 | acmoore | gmcharlt, is a borrower supposed to be able to have more than one borrower_attributes with the same code? |
| 20:09 | gmcharlt | yes, if borrower_attribute_type.repeatable == 1 |
| 20:10 | acmoore | yeah, that's what I thought that was for, I just couldn't see how it was working. |
| 20:10 | thanks, | |
| 20:10 | and borrower_attribute_types.unique_id determines if more than one borrower can have the same value for this attribute? | |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | right |
| 20:11 | acmoore | This is one of those thigns that I understood better before I started using it for a few hours. ;) |
| 20:11 | gmcharlt | eek |
| 20:12 | acmoore | that's not a commentary on design or implementation. I just confused mysel or something. |
| 20:13 | f | |
| 20:13 | gmcharlt | acmoore: checks of those conditions undoubtedly could be tightened up - alas, at moment has to be enforced at app level not DB due to lack of check constrainsts in mysql |
| 20:14 | acmoore | yeah, no worries. |
| 20:14 | I'm adding an UpdateBorrowerAttributes method that lets you update one type without disturbing the other attributes that this borrower has. | |
| 20:15 | gmcharlt | cool |
| 20:15 | acmoore | I really think I can use this to hold other borrower preferences. Do you think that will be a prolem? |
| 20:17 | gmcharlt | for prefs that don't require secondary columns to be added to borrower_attributes, should be fine - but one thing: tools/import_borrowers.pl needs to be adjusted so that you can supply a patron_attributes column in the CSV, update certain atts, and leave others alone |
| 20:17 | otherwise updating an alternate student ID via import would scribble over prefs | |
| 20:18 | acmoore: btw, found gotcha in using eval to run a particular test class | |
| 20:18 | acmoore | I don't anticipate having to alter either of the borrower_attributes or borrower_attribute_types tables. I'll add a few rows to the b_a_types table, though, to describe the preferences I'm holding in there. |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | say you have KohaTest::Acquisition::NewOrder |
| 20:18 | acmoore | I'll make a note about tools/import_borrowers.pl. |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | because KohaTest::Acquisitions uses C4::Acquisitions, C4::Acq::NewOrder() gets imported into namespace of KohaTest::Acq |
| 20:20 | acmoore | oh yeah, that's a drag. |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | and an eval "KohaTest::Acq::NewOrder->runtests" ends up trying to run C4::Acq::NewOrder()->runtests |
| 20:20 | which doesn't work, of course | |
| 20:20 | acmoore | I hate Exporter. |
| 20:20 | reason #496. | |
| 20:20 | atz | this is the lameness of all the C4 modules EXPORT=qw(everything)'; |
| 20:20 | saorge | is there a documentation about authorities? |
| 20:20 | gmcharlt | I have learned to hate it with a passion during the previous few months |
| 20:21 | atz | EXPORT_OK is fine. bulk EXPORT is ass. |
| 20:21 | acmoore | can we make a rule-of-thumb to stop exporting everying by default? |
| 20:22 | atz | actually, that was one thing I insisted in my first week |
| 20:23 | gmcharlt | acmoore: for new stuff we write, yes - worth refactoring C4 as well, but obviously doing that will take time and discussion |
| 20:23 | atz | of course... cleaning up almost every C4 use statement was never quite assigned priority |
| 20:23 | acmoore | gmcharlt, Oh yeah, I meant going forward. |
| 20:23 | gmcharlt | saorge: beyond what's available on the wiki - not much. nengard is working on a manual, which iwll include authorities |
| 20:24 | saorge: hopefully to be made available soon | |
| 20:24 | acmoore | but it does mean sometimes writing C4::Some::Namespace::Somewhere::Far::Far::Away::DoFoo() |
| 20:24 | gmcharlt | acmoore: in the long run, better sore fingers than subtle namespace bugs :) |
| 20:25 | acmoore | I would like to steer the battleship towards more objects and classes, but I recognize that's a long, uphill battle. |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt, I'm with you. | |
| 20:25 | gmcharlt | and acmoore, I'm with you re using more classes |
| 20:25 | atz | acmoore: it's true OO would reduce the prominence of this problem. |
| 20:26 | acmoore | I'm so glad that I'm not the only one that seems to think this way. |
| 20:27 | atz | that's just the manic phase before the depression hits that despite all these other ppl agreeing, it's still unfixed. :) |
| 20:28 | acmoore | I guess. but I'm OK with it not being fixed as long as we agree on some things that we can do to make it better. |
| 20:38 | do you guys use perltidy or perlcritic on your code? I'm wondering if anyone has an .rc file for either that I can use for consistency. | |
| 20:38 | I wouldn't mind seeing one in git eventually. | |
| 20:39 | atz | acmoore: but then somebody might use it! |
| 20:39 | acmoore | no. I wouldn't worry about that part. ;) |
| 20:39 | gmcharlt | we can haz war^W debate about indentation and block style? |
| 20:40 | acmoore | I like Andy Lester's quote about Perl Best Practices. It was something about how he writes "coding policy manual" on the front of it with a marker and settles all of those wars. |
| 20:41 | I don't think you can go that far, but it's a good guide. | |
| 20:41 | gmcharlt | heh - that was certainly one of the best technical books I've read recently |
| 20:43 | maybe do it passively - have the eventual buildbot also run perlcritic and put up the report, and see what happens | |
| 20:46 | acmoore | I did that in a previous code base and it was pretty nice. I eventually made it so that if the file used to pass at one level, and now it doesn't that that was a faling test. That's a little extreme for now, I think. |
| 20:46 | chris | morning |
| 20:46 | gmcharlt | yeah, such things would definitely have to be advisory |
| 20:46 | hi chris | |
| 20:46 | acmoore | I'll probably eventually at least fix the pod usage problems and check in something to run Pod::Test on all files. |
| 20:47 | good afternoon, chris. | |
| 20:51 | chris | feel good story for the day http://www.orlandosentinel.com[…]8,0,3680260.story |
| 20:51 | gmcharlt | yeah, that was nice |
| 21:13 | chris | hi debra |
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