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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:13 | nengard | question for manual: do we have a list of template files and what they each control? |
| 12:18 | paul | nengard: hello. |
| 12:18 | nengard | hi paul |
| 12:18 | paul | could you be more specific ? I don't understand your question... |
| 12:19 | there is no "manual" nick here, so I think the question was for anyone, about "the" manual ;-) | |
| 12:19 | nengard | i want to put together a list of all template files and what part of the system them control - so if i'm a user and i want to change the staff client look and feel i can easily find what file to go to |
| 12:19 | paul | wow... a very huge task! |
| 12:19 | the general rule is : | |
| 12:19 | nengard | sorry - i'm writing the manual - so i have a question about writing the manual |
| 12:20 | paul | the template has the same name than the perl script it relies on. |
| 12:20 | nengard | ah |
| 12:20 | that's good to know | |
| 12:20 | paul | there are some exception, but they should tend to 0 in the future, imho |
| 12:21 | nengard | thanks for the tip!! |
| 12:21 | paul | some more tips... |
| 12:21 | the css directory contains the css | |
| 12:22 | the includes directory contains the parts of the template that are used in many places. | |
| 12:22 | like, for example "cat-toolbar.inc" => the toolbar displayed in every "catalogue screen" | |
| 12:23 | it's very powerfull : if you want to add an action, just edit the toolbar.inc file, and it will be available everywhere where it is meaningfull | |
| 12:28 | nengard | thanks |
| 14:17 | fbcit | g'morning #koha |
| 14:17 | gmcharlt | hi fbcit |
| 14:17 | the language is related to the one used by the Swedish chef | |
| 14:19 | fbcit | heh |
| 14:20 | I wonder what happens if one walks into one's kitchen saying 'famfamfam' | |
| 14:22 | gmcharlt | one's spouse/SO/cat looks at one strangely, presumably |
| 14:23 | of course, with the cat, you may not be able to tell the difference :) | |
| 14:23 | custard | do not one's cats always look at one strangely? |
| 14:24 | gmcharlt | custard: precisely my point :) |
| 14:26 | http://www.flickr.com/photos/5[…]2157602776641761/ </shameless_cat_sharing> | |
| 14:26 | custard | quite. :) |
| 14:43 | fbcit | gmcharlt: Erasmus I can understand, but DSCN0045 ??? ;-) |
| 14:44 | gmcharlt | fbcit: got to keep them on their toes |
| 14:45 | or their claws | |
| 14:45 | or whatever ;) | |
| 14:46 | fbcit | gmcharlt: Mercy (18mos) just started saying "Meow" a week or so ago when she sees our cat |
| 14:46 | gmcharlt | awwww - how cute |
| 14:49 | ccatalfo | fbcit: wow! my 9 mo old is fascinated by our cats, but has no words for them except a screechy sort-of-"hi" :) |
| 14:50 | fbcit | she loves to pet the cat while she (the cat) eats and the cat loves it |
| 14:52 | ccatalfo | fbcit: hehe one of our cats loves our daughter 'cos she pets (well, actually kind of strokes or grabs) her... |
| 14:53 | fbcit | ccatalfo: I've been amazed at what our cat puts up with from very young children; she has never scratched anyone to my knowledge |
| 14:54 | I would not trade her for another | |
| 14:54 | ccatalfo | fbcit: yeah, we've been really surprised, too. They seem to know somehow to be gentle with her... |
| 14:56 | fbcit | does anyone know of a trick to get the *nix terminal window title to automagically display the current file open in vim? |
| 14:57 | ccatalfo | fbcit: i have my vim status line display it.....would that do? |
| 14:57 | fbcit | that would be an improvement |
| 14:58 | ccatalfo | hehe |
| 15:00 | custard | gmcharlt: some other shameless cats (although maybe not the black one) http://members.westnet.com.au/[…]celot/ocelot.html |
| 15:03 | kados | ccatalfo: it might be in /etc/vimrc or something |
| 15:03 | some sort of global setting maybe? | |
| 15:03 | ccatalfo | kados: could be...although I thought i remembered setting it up myself... |
| 15:03 | fbcit | cool: :set statusline=%F%m%r%h%w\ [FORMAT=%{&ff}]\ [TYPE=%Y]\ [ASCII=\%03.3b]\ [HEX=\%02.2B]\ [POS=%04l,%04v][%p%%]\ [LEN=%L] |
| 15:04 | hrmm | |
| 15:05 | http://www.linux.com/feature/120126 | |
| 15:07 | :set laststatus=2 | |
| 15:07 | tnx ccatalfo | |
| 15:07 | ccatalfo | fbcit: glad i could [almost|sorta] help ;/ |
| 15:11 | atz | nice trick |
| 15:16 | fbcit | atz: yea, but if the filename were autoset in the terminal window, one could quickly switch to the window with the file one needed next |
| 15:17 | kados | fbcit: you use screen, right? |
| 15:17 | fbcit | ?? |
| 15:17 | kados | fbcit: the terminal multiplexor? |
| 15:18 | goodness, you need to use screen :-) | |
| 15:18 | fbcit | kados: never heard of it |
| 15:18 | enlighten me... please! | |
| 15:18 | kados | fbcit: http://www.bangmoney.org/prese[…]tions/screen.html |
| 15:18 | it'll take you an afternoon to lear how to use it, but once you switch you'll never go screenless again :-) | |
| 15:19 | fbcit | I relish the thought :) |
| 16:42 | atz | wtf "famfamfam" ? |
| 16:47 | owen | kados said he's already approved a patch for that, but apparently not |
| 17:01 | atz | sounds like some test/debugging code slipped into production |
| 17:12 | owen | It's a problem with auto-detecting languages from the directory structure. |
| 18:18 | slef | Is it safe to remove a couple of entries from the zebraqueue table that seem to be causing zebraqueue_daemon to loop forever? |
| 18:19 | or do I need to figure out why they are making it loop forever? | |
| 18:19 | and is spot-upgrading zebraqueue_daemon safe? (3.00.00 beta with the daemon from HEAD) | |
| 18:24 | gmcharlt | slef: a spot-upgrade should be OK |
| 18:24 | slef | I've found the cause of the loop... |
| 18:24 | $marcxml = $marc->as_xml_record() if $marc; | |
| 18:25 | anyone remember how to make that crash with debugging output? | |
| 18:25 | gmcharlt | so it's not managing to create a valid MARC XML? |
| 18:25 | slef | apparently not |
| 18:27 | gmcharlt | re debug output, I typically just issue a die or croak with a Data::Dumper dump of the record - is that what you're asking? |
| 18:28 | slef | close enough |
| 18:28 | :) | |
| 18:29 | gmcharlt | I'm going to be building MARC test cases soon, so a copy of biblioitems.marc from the offending records will be gratefully accepted :) |
| 18:31 | slef | I see there's a big update of zebraqueue_daemon since the beta |
| 18:31 | gmcharlt | yep, and rebuild_zebra.pl is now capable of processing zebraqueue as well |
| 18:35 | slef | new zebraqueue_daemon.pl crashes with an error |
| 18:36 | Wide character in null operation at /Library/Perl/5.8.6/MARC/Charset/Table.pm line 96. | |
| 18:36 | guess it's time for me to get the offending biblioitems.marc fields for you | |
| 18:36 | Do you think the above could be another symptom of the same problem? | |
| 18:39 | gmcharlt | it's quite possible - there was a bug in MARC::Charset that I found and worked around earlier this week |
| 18:39 | MARC::Charset doesn't always mark Perl strings correctly when converting from MARC-8 to UTF-8 | |
| 18:39 | and as a result, MARC::File::XML can crash when attempting to constract a UTF-8 XML version | |
| 18:40 | one specific case, actually, is a MARC-8 record that has no "special" characters except a British pound sign | |
| 18:42 | slef | if I just select biblioitems.marc into a file for the biblionumber shown in zebraqueue.biblio_auth_record is that enough? |
| 18:42 | to send you | |
| 18:43 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, that should do nicely |
| 18:43 | slef | outfile or dumpfile? I never can remember which |
| 18:44 | gmcharlt | dumpfile |
| 18:44 | (so that it doesn't add extraneous newliens, column headings, etc.) | |
| 18:44 | slef | Access denied for user 'kohaadmin' |
| 18:45 | ok, that's cute | |
| 18:45 | I can't get root on this mysqld | |
| 18:47 | kados | anyone have a preference for the naming convention for that? |
| 18:47 | slef | kados: just for all the swedish chefs? |
| 18:47 | 3.00.00.beta2? | |
| 18:47 | kados | this famfamfam thing, the fact that I somehow forgot to install the languages and a few other issues like liblime/liblime being listed as the user/password on the staff client like on the liblime demo |
| 18:48 | beta2 works | |
| 18:48 | gmcharlt | beta2++ |
| 18:48 | slef | then maybe we can rc1 rc2 rc3 ... |
| 18:48 | and 3.00.00! | |
| 18:49 | kados | yea |
| 18:50 | gmcharlt | slef: if on Debian, check /etc/mysql/debian.cnf for another way in |
| 18:54 | slef | gmcharlt: Mac OS X :-/ |
| 18:54 | kados | slef: also, try with no password :-) |
| 18:58 | slef | Fri Jan 11 - Reset mysql password |
| 18:59 | kados | hehe |
| 18:59 | slef | ok, now to cross-reference that with other logs :) |
| 18:59 | kados | slef: i'd have lost patience by now and just reset it myself |
| 18:59 | :) | |
| 19:00 | slef | kados: I don't know who else is using it... |
| 19:00 | kados: and it's always embarrassing admitting a last password | |
| 19:01 | found it! | |
| 19:02 | There's a <C2><BA> in this dumpfile... deadly to zebraqueue? | |
| 19:03 | and what's the correct fix - edit the MARC record? | |
| 19:04 | gmcharlt: what email address do you want this sent to? | |
| 19:04 | thanks | |
| 19:05 | gmcharlt | <C2><BA> would be OK, as it's a valid UTF-8 sequence, although the Unicode character it represents is an odd one to find in a bib record |
| 19:05 | solution will ultimately either involve fixing MARC record or perhaps regenerating biblioitems.marcxml from biblioitems.marc | |
| 19:06 | slef | gmcharlt: You have MIL! |
| 19:06 | yeah, I can't see why it's in there... maybe when I bring it up in the editor | |
| 19:08 | gmcharlt | do you know if the record had been upgraded from a pre-3.0 database or had been entered or loaded directly |
| 19:08 | slef | 8 p-in-a-circle crossed-delta?!?! |
| 19:08 | Z39.50 import I suspect | |
| 19:08 | probably from our university friends :-/ | |
| 19:08 | who use strange encodings | |
| 19:09 | gmcharlt | and rather incomplete cataloging, I see |
| 19:10 | well, if it is from z39.50 search, it might show up in the reservoir as well, and tell us which server it is coming from | |
| 19:15 | slef | cleaned it and now zebraqueue_daemon seems to be happy |
| 19:16 | checking reservoir | |
| 19:20 | fbcit | is it possible that title or author data might contain a user-meaningful '/' ? |
| 19:21 | as opposed to a segmentation '/' | |
| 19:21 | owen | Yes |
| 19:21 | slef | user-meaningful? |
| 19:22 | fbcit | in other words, is there such a title as "How to Use /'s in Meaningful Ways" by John-the-/ Doe |
| 19:22 | owen | The author example might be doubtful, but the title one isn't |
| 19:23 | slef | erm, guys, where's the reservoir? |
| 19:23 | owen | I don't know examples offhand, but what about a title like "Black/White" ? Sounds plausible to me. |
| 19:23 | gmcharlt | slef: import_batches and related tables |
| 19:23 | fbcit | I have seen some titles like "Fifty Ways to do the Same Task/" |
| 19:24 | owen | Yeah, in that case the / is really just junk from the MARC record |
| 19:24 | fbcit | I was thinking it would be nice to strip out / |
| 19:24 | gmcharlt | fbcit: good old MARC21 with its belt-and-half-broken-suspenders approach to ISBD punctuation |
| 19:24 | fbcit | if they always occur at the end its easy |
| 19:24 | slef | gmcharlt: is that new since 2.2? |
| 19:25 | owen | I would guess that you could strip off trailing /es safely...but it's just a guess |
| 19:25 | fbcit | slef:hehe |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | slef: yes, as of last fall |
| 19:25 | fbcit | do libraries really print their spine labels with the segmentation marks in the call numbers? |
| 19:25 | gmcharlt | marc_breeding was moved to import_batches et al., and the staging MARC import feature added |
| 19:26 | slef | gmcharlt: can you tell me how to identify the source of an import? |
| 19:26 | gmcharlt | fbcit: in theory, yes (or rather the marks themselves shouldn't print, just signal newlines) |
| 19:26 | fbcit | gmcharlt: I thought so, so I fixed the label code to strip them on print and wrap the lines accordingly |
| 19:26 | slef | ah, the end of the table has data :) |
| 19:27 | fbcit | gmcharlt: do you see any problem with stripping '/' when they appear at the end of the title? |
| 19:27 | for displaying/printing that is | |
| 19:27 | slef | so if it's not in import_biblios, is it definitely locally-compiled? |
| 19:28 | gmcharlt | for labels, probably OK - unless you're printing catalog cards, in which case you want to keep the ISBD punct |
| 19:28 | slef: yes, if there isn't a corresponding import_biblios row (biblionumber = matched_biblionumber), it's likely locally entered | |
| 19:28 | or adding via bulkmarcimport | |
| 19:29 | fbcit | afaik, koha does not generate catalog cards |
| 19:29 | slef | mysql> select * from import_biblios where matched_biblionumber is not NULL; |
| 19:29 | Empty set (0.00 sec) | |
| 19:29 | erm, I'm sure they imported some from z39.50 sources... | |
| 19:30 | gmcharlt | sorry, I was wrong - the connection between bib and reservoir wouldn't exist for a record imported via Z39.50 |
| 19:32 | slef | I can't see the title in there anyway. I guess it's something done locally. I will ask the librarians. |
| 19:33 | gmcharlt | yeah, I curious what was supposed to be in the 300$a |
| 19:33 | slef | MARC21 library |
| 19:34 | PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION, a = extent, c = Dimensions | |
| 19:35 | gmcharlt | slef: right; I meant what characters were supposed to follow the '8' in that record's 300$a |
| 19:59 | r0ver | hello guys. Any news about the koha-plone contest ? |
| 19:59 | my team is very ansious... :D | |
| 20:01 | kados | r0ver: hi! |
| 20:01 | r0ver: the person who was organizing it has vanished, we're not sure what happened to her | |
| 20:01 | r0ver: her name was Darci, and she hasn't responded to any emails I've sent in the past two weeks | |
| 20:02 | r0ver: have you guys got a submission ready? | |
| 20:02 | r0ver | kados: we sent the skin, probably is running somewhere. Let me check |
| 20:02 | kados | r0ver: who did you send it to? |
| 20:03 | r0ver | kados: we used the web form |
| 20:03 | kados | r0ver: OK, I will try to contact Darci again |
| 20:04 | r0ver: very sorry for the inconvenience :/ | |
| 20:06 | owen | That's a bummer, kados |
| 20:07 | r0ver | this is the menttes skin: http://dev.menttes.com:16888/contest |
| 20:07 | (my team) | |
| 20:08 | it's very weird. I had met Darci and she's a very commited person, i'm sure something happen to her... | |
| 20:09 | ok. Beyond the contest, any comment is very appreciated. Thank you | |
| 20:09 | kados | OK, just called her |
| 20:09 | it seems she'd had some health issues, but she's just back at work now, so she will try to get the three submissions on separate hosted plones | |
| 20:09 | and I'm going to get a voting mechanism set up so the community can vote on the entries | |
| 20:10 | r0ver | great! |
| 20:10 | thk | |
| 20:11 | kados | r0ver: thanks for asking! |
| 20:12 | r0ver | you're welcome |
| 20:12 | we keep in touch | |
| 20:23 | russel | does anyone have contact details for r0ver? |
| 20:24 | http://www.menttes.com/contact-info | |
| 20:32 | hi r0ver - i have to dash to a meeting but i sent my contact details to the menttes site | |
| 20:32 | want to contact me off list some time and have a chat? | |
| 20:33 | r0ver | sure |
| 20:34 | russel | cool |
| 20:40 | Arsenic | Hi guys. Long time no see (or talk) :) |
| 20:54 | arsenic | re-hi :) |
| 20:54 | gmcharlt | hi arsenic |
| 20:55 | arsenic | So quiet here... :) |
| 20:56 | hey kados! (late) congratulation for the beta release! | |
| 20:57 | congratulation to everyone, of course :) | |
| 20:58 | what is the status of the installer to install Koha in another place than the default location? | |
| 20:59 | For example, I want to install it in /home/myusername/koha/mylib | |
| 20:59 | gmcharlt | arsenic: what do you mean? during perl Makefile.PL you're prompted for the directories you want to use |
| 21:00 | atz | or you can specify $PREFIX (or something similar) |
| 21:00 | arsenic | gmcharlt, I agree, it works for the file location, but the content of some files, ex: koha-httpd.conf seems to not taking care of what I set in the installer |
| 21:01 | gmcharlt | it depends on your installer mode - standard follows FHS, although you can override directory targets individual using environment variables |
| 21:03 | arsenic | gmcharlt, i'm using the <single> mode |
| 21:03 | gmcharlt | same thing |
| 21:04 | if it's not setting the directory correct for specific places in a configuration file, please submit as specific bugs (or let me know the bug numbers, if you've already done so) | |
| 21:08 | arsenic | gmcharlt, ok, let's take the previous sample. if I set /home/myusername/koha/mylib as installed directory, the opac's DocumentRoot value in the koha-httpd.conf should be set to /home/myusername/koha/mylib/opac/htdocs, right? |
| 21:11 | gmcharlt | arsenic: yep, that's what it should be doing |
| 21:14 | arsenic | ok. I'll fill a bug then. :) |
| 21:35 | kados | hmmm, /me notices that zebra 2.0.28 has 'Updated OAI-PMH example.' among the updates |
| 21:35 | I didn't realize we had OAI, when did that get added? :-) | |
| 21:36 | gmcharlt | in Koha? paul added that three or four weeks ago? |
| 21:37 | kados | no, zebra |
| 21:37 | gmcharlt | dunno |
| 21:37 | kados | I remember seb talking about it at an ALA a while back, they must have gotten sponsorship for that |
| 21:37 | koha | r0ver: |
| 21:38 | gmcharlt | yikes, everybody should just use yaz and zebra then - Z39.50, SRU/W, OAI-PMH out of the box |
| 21:38 | and I'm sure opensearch would be trivial for ID to add | |
| 21:39 | kados | yea |
| 22:04 | arsenic | Hey! using the webinstall (koha 3.0 beta) there is a "famfamfam" language... funny :) was that fix (or maybe this is a real language that I don't speak) :) |
| 22:05 | How can we get other languages? | |
| 22:06 | kados | arsenic: it was a bug introduced by the release manager (me) and will be fixed in the forthcoming 3.0-beta2 (this week) |
| 22:08 | arsenic | Ha, those RM... :) Thanks Joshua. Is there a way to get the other languages? |
| 22:09 | kados | arsenic: yes, they will be included in 3.0-beta2 ... or, you can install them yourself, with the misc/translator/install.pl script (or one at a time following the directions on kohadocs.org) |
| 22:12 | arsenic | thx, i'll check that after the install then. Is there a list about what will be fix in beta2? |
| 22:16 | kados | arsenic: famfamfam, missing languages, and liblime/liblime listed on the staff loging page ... |
| 22:34 | arsenic | kudos: maybe beta should also fix http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]_bug.cgi?id=1664? |
| 22:45 | also, here is some stuff I noted during the installation of perl modules: requires Data::Dumper 1.21_08 (?!?) | |
| 22:50 | There is not a big difference between POSIX 1.08 and 1.09. Are we sure Koha really need 1.09? | |
| 22:53 | gmcharlt | arsenic: does requiring 1.09 vs. just 1.08 cause any difficulty? we could easily reach a point where we spend a lot of time second-guessing the specific verions of required modules |
| 22:57 | arsenic | gmcharlt, as far as i can remember it was quit complicate to update to POSIX 1.09. Let me check again |
| 23:03 | gmcharlt: ok, the latest version of POSIX available on CPAN is 1.13, but to install it, we must install perl 5.10 | |
| 01:16 | anybody alive? :) | |
| 01:31 | r0ver | me, but i can answer question about plone only :D |
| 03:25 | atz | arsenic: i seriously doubt we actually require perl 5.10 for anything |
| 03:39 | more lame code.... | |
| 03:39 | my @methods = (); | |
| 03:39 | foreach my $method (sort keys %methods) { | |
| 03:39 | push @methods,$method; | |
| 03:39 | } | |
| 03:39 | so... you want an array of the hash keys... why build it a piece at a time? | |
| 03:41 | ryan | so they're in order ? |
| 03:41 | atz | (sort keys %methods) isn't good enough? |
| 03:41 | (sort {$b cmp $a} keys %methods) if you want reverse | |
| 03:42 | ryan | we like enjoying multiple redundancy ? |
| 03:44 | atz | sometimes, yeah... |
| 03:46 | odd | |
| 03:47 | Algorithm::CheckDigits has an AUTOLOAD sub | |
| 03:47 | but doesn't use AutoLoader | |
| 03:49 | i guess by design... but not really sure it looks right... returns '' if it doesn't croak | |
| 04:03 | just realized the bug that I'm looking at was updated by josh at 9AM, christmas morning | |
| 04:03 | dude, wtf! take a day off! |
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