IRC log for #koha, 2008-03-04

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13:57 kados morning all
13:57 owen: can you rebase and doubls-check I've applied all your patches from this weekend?
13:59 owen Looks good to me
14:45 Hi atz
14:45 atz greets owen
14:45 owen Were you in Portland too?
14:45 atz yep
14:45 good conference, all around.  cool city too.
14:46 owen that's great. I wish I could have been there
14:47 atz columbus just barely lost out on hosting the next one
14:51 hdl hi all.
14:52 atz hello henri
14:52 are you safely back home in montpilier now?
14:52 hdl Yes after 24hrs trip
14:53 was your trip back home OK ?
14:53 atz yes, I flew through Houston on the way back, without complication.
14:59 nengard hdl: 24 hours!! Yikes
15:00 we hit snow but had no problems or delays - pretty lucky
15:01 hdl nengard:  yes : Chicago then Paris, Marseille  and Finally Montpellier
15:01 nengard hdl: you must be exhausted
15:01 hdl and jet lagged too... :D
15:01 But it's ok.
15:01 nengard i bet
15:28 atz now that it's warming up, some sparrows seem to have finally found my bird-feeder
15:29 atrus123 Is there anything extra I need to do for my records to show up in the OPAC after having run the bulkmarcimport.pl script?
15:29 running koha 3 git
15:29 atz atrus123: rebuild zebra?
15:30 atrus123 ah, that's it... this is the first time i've tried it with zebra, so i'm still figuring it out
15:30 thanks
15:30 atz misc/migration_tools/rebuild_zebra.pl
15:30 no problem
15:32 atrus123 that was it!  thanks again.
16:08 atz owen: what is supposed to happen if the user uploads an oversized logo?
16:08 owen For opacsmallimage?
16:08 atz does it just get cut off, or shrunken?
16:09 owen I believe opacsmallimage will just get cut off
16:15 atz ok
16:21 kados owen: you around?
16:21 owen Yes
16:22 kados owen: I'm talking to Chris Catalfo about some issues we're having embedding biblios into Koha ... mainly some of the CSS difference between biblios and Koha are wreaking havoc
16:22 ccatalfo hey owen
16:22 kados isn't there some kind of 'reset' function for elements?
16:22 so we could potentially wrap the biblios app in a single <div> that has YUI.reset=1 or something?
16:23 to just remove all the style from that block?
16:23 owen So biblios is picking up CSS declarations for elements/classes that are common between them?
16:23 ccatalfo owen, that's right
16:24 i'm trying to wrap the biblios app up in a koha template
16:24 and so i'm including doc-head-open and doc-head-close
16:25 owen I wonder if this would work:
16:25 Put the YUI reset CSS into the biblios stylesheet, defining a specific div which it should apply to
16:26 ccatalfo this is the YUI reset css you're thinking of? http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/reset/
16:26 owen Yes. But that would only take care of HTML elements, it wouldn't cover any CSS classes/ids which biblios had in common with Koha
16:27 ccatalfo actually i think it is just the plain html elements: the tr, td, table etc
16:28 owen So where the reset CSS says "body,div,dl,dt,dd,ul,ol,li,h1,h2,h3,h4,h5,h6" etc., you'd alter it to "div#biblios div,div#biblios dl,div#biblios dt" etc.
16:29 ccatalfo yeah, maybe that would work
16:29 i'll give it a try now
16:46 Hhhm, I had forgotten that in the new version of extjs, biblios is not within it's own div.  it's actually rendering to the body el
16:46 let me see if i can change that behavior
16:47 'cos that's how i eventually worked it w/ the prev. version of extjs....putting the koha menu/login area outside of extjs and then applying a few css fixes
16:50 kados makes sense
16:50 owen Okay, if a user's cart should be emptied when they log out, should they be warned? "Are you sure you want to log out? Your cart will be emptied."
16:51 kados not a bad idea, but I'd say definitely a low-priority one
16:51 owen Or should we assume that by logging out they really want to cover their tracks and don't bother asking
16:58 kados I think we can avoid asking for now
20:23 chris morning
20:33 atz greets chris
20:35 owen Hi chris
20:38 Hey chris, does your new boss know you're hangin' around in here? ;)
20:39 gmcharlt shhh
20:40 :)
20:40 chris heh yep
20:41 he's the president of the nz open source society, so he's pretty cool with it :)
20:41 kados hey chris
20:41 chris: can you just do a sanity check for me, rebase and see if there are any un-pushed patches left?
20:42 chris will do
20:42 kados chris: also, darrell ulm says he sent some patches in, let me know if you don't see those in the queue
20:42 I'll do a bit more coaching for him
20:43 chris nope, no patches waiting
20:43 ill go check the mail
20:45 patches from galen, which i see have gon thru already, and one from owen
20:45 kados cool
20:45 I'll let Darrell know
20:53 owen: around still?
20:53 owen Yes
20:53 kados owen: re: bug 1912
20:53 I'm still having probs
20:53 http://opacdemo.koha.org/cgi-b[…]ac-search.pl?q=it
20:53 images are defined for my itemtypes
20:53 owen 1912 is talking about the intranet advanced search screen
20:54 kados ahh
20:54 owen But yeah, the problem in that link is still an outstanding bug
20:54 kados well, in the intranet, I used to get bullets for itemtypes for each item grouping
20:54 when I had item-level-itipes enabled
20:55 and one itemtype per bib when I had it OFF
20:55 now I see no bullets
20:55 was that removed somewhere along the line on purpose?
20:55 owen Are you looking at the search results page?
20:56 kados yea
20:56 so it used to be that the itemtype icon was configured to show up as a bullet for each item grouping
20:56 if that makes sense
20:56 owen Okay, valid issue, but again--not what 1912 is talking about :) 1912's about the advanced search form. But anyway...
20:56 kados oh, oh, oh
20:57 gotcha
20:57 sorry :-)
20:57 owen There's still the question of whether you can even display an item type image for a search result item if item-level-itemtypes is turned on
20:58 kados hmmm, because it's not giving you that information accurately?
20:59 owen In that opacdemo link you posted above, for example...
20:59 How do you display an item type icon if different items attached to one record have different item types?
20:59 kados well, the OPAC display doesn't have that capability yet
21:00 the staff client should though
21:00 ok, so there are two views in the OPAC you can control with a syspref
21:01 to determine if it's a 'summary' (like the link I posted' or if it's built the way the staff client display is built
21:01 with the full display option each group of items is separated out by location, itype, itemcallnumber, and status
21:01 so each item-grouping (below the bib level) can theoretically have a separate itype icon
21:02 and it did work a month or so back
21:02 owen Are you talking about OPACItemsResultsDisplay?
21:02 kados yes
21:03 owen I'm not sure about that... I'll check the history of that template
21:08 I'm not seeing any differences in that section of the template between today and the day the OPACItemsResultsDisplay syspref was added, except for replacing classification with itemcallnumber
21:09 kados huh, I wonder why the thumbnail icons disappeared
21:09 they used to show up as the style for the bullet
21:09 is that ringing a bell at all?
21:09 owen That's in the intranet, isn't it?
21:09 kados yea
21:26 owen 'nite all, I'm off
21:32 atz does koha store "magnetic media" item information?
21:37 i.e. RFID tag?
00:28 fbcit evening koha
00:30 ouch
00:30 chris around?
00:30 chris sorta
00:30 fbcit :)
00:30 chris at work :)
00:31 fbcit updatedatabase.pl has duplicate db versions
00:31 chris hmm i thought i fixed that for your one?
00:31 or was it before that?
00:32 ah yes 2 57's
00:32 thats gonna be hard to fix without causing a mess for everyone
00:33 fbcit right'o
00:34 chris actually not so bad
00:34 ill make the create table one be 60
00:34 fbcit It could be moved down with an IF NOT EXISTS and the ver bumped again.
00:35 chris yeah
00:35 fbcit you'll take care of it?
00:36 chris yep, doing it now
00:36 fbcit tnx
00:36 chris im waiting on the sysadmins to install my userpackage on a machine here so i have some down time :)
00:37 fbcit hrmmm... git rebase says: Dirty index: cannot apply patches (dirty: koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/l​ib/jquery/plugins/clickmenu.css)
00:37 ??
00:37 chris hmm did you get halfway thru a rebase before, or applied some patches?
00:38 do a git status
00:38 might tell you whats up
00:38 ok, patch sent to the rm
00:40 fbcit git somehow sees a new file: #       new file:   koha-tmpl/opac-tmpl/prog/en/l​ib/jquery/plugins/clickmenu.css
00:43 chris hmm
00:45 fbcit man you type fast :-)
00:45 chris heh
00:45 fbcit our email's nearly collided
00:48 chris yeah cant see it in git anywhere
00:49 :)
00:49 fbcit never get upset... just get a bigger hammer :-)
01:09 hurrells Hello. I'm a new koha-3.00/Zebra install. I have added two bibs and items and cannot search them in the OPAC. Ran rebuild_zebra.pl and running zebrasrv gives ERROR 109. Any ideas?
01:10 I'd be happy to give any information you need to help me get this going as I am sooo close.
01:11 irma I all.
01:12 I wonder if anyone is around to ask a question about bulkmarcimport.pl?
01:20 Good morning
01:20 I would like to ask a question about bulkmarcimport.pl
01:20 Is Chris around?
01:23 atz hurrells: check your koha-conf.xml for zebra username and password
01:25 hurrells Yes, There is a username "kohauser" and the password is correct. When I watch zebrasrv output it: loads zebra-biblios.cfg and zebra-authorities.cfg, starts listeners and then displays it's PID. (ubuntu 7.10 - btw)
01:27 Then I do a title search for "Dune" which is a valid item title it logins OK does the Search biblios and there it reports ERROR 109
01:27 I'll be back in 5min.
01:42 I'm back. I was thinking that I might have a perl/module issue. I didn't use INSTALL-CPAN.pl to get my modules but instead used apt-get and perl installs for most.
01:44 Is there any documentation on getting koha+zebra working that I can be looking at besides the 2.2 to 3.0 upgrade note?
01:59 Here is what zebrasrv is logging...
01:59 20:58:23-03/03 zebrasrv(1) [request] Auth idPass kohauser -
01:59 20:58:23-03/03 zebrasrv(1) [request] Init OK - ID:81/81 Name:ZOOM-C/YAZ Version:1.154/3.0.24
02:00 20:58:23-03/03 zebrasrv(1) [request] Search biblios ERROR 109 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @or @or @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 6=3 @attr 9=32 @attr 2=102 Dune @attr 1=4 @attr 4=1 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 Dune @attr 1=4 @attr 5=1 @attr 4=6 @attr 9=26 @attr 2=102 Dune
02:00 20:58:23-03/03 zebrasrv(1) [session] Connection closed by client
02:00 chris when you ran rebuild_zebra.pl for the first time, did you do the --reset ?
02:00 (as well as all the other switches :))
02:02 that does the init of the zebra db .. which might not have happened
02:02 hurrells Just a minute..
02:05 I ran: "root@h33:/usr/share/koha/bin/migration_tools# perl -I ../../lib ./rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -r -k".
02:07 chris i wonder if -r is the same as -reset
02:07 cant hurt to try that
02:07 hurrells Then I stopped and restarted zebrasrv. FYI. rebuild_ze eems to need that -I swich for C4/Context stuff.
02:07 OK. Let me try again... (--reset this time)
02:08 chris -reset just one - i think .. who knows try both :-)
02:10 hurrells I did (--reset) and it appears to work. FYI. I get these warnings: "21:10:26-03/03 zebraidx(303) [warn] No such record type: grs.marcxml.record"
02:10 chris i think it will silently succeed
02:10 if its not a switch that is matched, ie it will just ignore it
02:11 hurrells FYI. When I check the /tmp dir it makes I can see the MARC records for "Dune" there...
02:11 chris yep all that will be right
02:11 but if its not initialising the zebra db, then it might not be writing the indices
02:12 error 109 normally means database doesnt exist
02:12 hurrells Yes. That's what I read in the YAZ docco.
02:12 chris which is why i suspect it wasnt initialised
02:13 there is a line in the script that if it sees reset then it initialises
02:13 before building the indices
02:14 i think it might have just ignored -r and --reset .. so if it still doesnt work after this try .. try with -reset just to be sure
02:16 if you did -k you can do -s on this one, to skip reexporting the data
02:16 hurrells It did not work. So I stopped zebrasrv; ran rebuild_zebra.pl with (-a -b -k -reset) and restarted zebra. Still no "Dune". FYI. OPAC is at: http://koha.hurrells.ca
02:18 I still get ERROR 109. Is there some place in the mysql db where I can see the indicies or are they external somewhere?
02:19 chris they are in zebra
02:21 so nothing to do with mysql im afraid, we export the data from mysql and build indices in zebra which we then search
02:23 you could try using yaz-client and trying to search the zebra db's
02:23 hurrells OK. So where are they? In /etc/koha/zebradb/... or somewhere else? I just want to see timestamps for action.
02:23 chris no idea
02:23 thats a good place to start looking though
02:23 :)
02:24 zebra is cool, but it does give the most useless error messages
02:24 hurrells Back in 2min.
02:30 OK. yaz-client....I think I need syntax help please. How do open to my db on localhost?
02:45 OK.  I tried "yaz-client koha.hurrells.ca:210/koha" and I think that 210 is not my z39.50 port. So where/how is this port selected?
03:02 OK. Nothing in /etc/koha/zebradb appears to be today's date so I suspect that the indicies are not being made. Back to rebuild_zebra.pl again.
03:11 OK. I symlink'd /usr/share/koha/lib/C4 into /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.8 so that rebuild_zebra can find these C4 modiles in @INC. Then...
03:11 I re-ran "./rebuild_zebra.pl -a -b -k -reset" and noticed the following:
03:12 1: warnings about a missing record type " No such record type: grs.marcxml.record"
03:13 2: Records: 0 i/u/d 0/0/0 which seems to me to indicate that no records where found.
03:15 I restarted zebra and still get the ERROR 109. I'm doing all of this as user "root" BTW..
03:16 As far as yaz-client goes I think that I don't have a z39.50 server going which I think should be up when zebrasrv is running right?
03:19 Possibly my problem may be from the bibs/items I created. All I did was create a bib, use z39.50 to pull in a record for Dune and then created an item/holding off it. Perhaps there is some crutial attribute that is not set in that way.
03:34 OK. Was just reading that after starting zebrasrv then you should start zebraqueue_daemon.pl. This causes zebrasrv to go crazy with endless "EsRequest  ERROR 224 update_record failed"
03:38 OK. Thanks for all your help. If something occurs then just jot it in here and I'll catch it tomorrow morning. Thanks again.
03:45 atz hurrells: if your root process is creating files, then it shouldn't be surprising that your later operations can't modify them
04:00 check permissions on your zebra files
05:37 CGI550 hello!
05:38 I want to know more about Koha
05:58 hello
06:03 we are using ALexandria right now in our library. Can we ask help from the KOHa team if you could helps us transfer our date from Alexandria to KOHA?
06:07 *our data
06:27 hello
06:35 ello everybody
06:35 Whose the right person who can talk to about transfering our data to KOHA
06:49 hello
09:55 hdl bug squashing session 1 in 5 minutes....
10:00 bug squashing session 1 in 1 minute....
10:02 hi there.
10:02 is there anyone around ?
10:03 js_ i think you are alone ;)
10:05 hdl I guess so. (I was wondering if US liblimers would get up so early just after getting back home.)
10:17 kados hey hdl
10:17 hdl hi how are you ?
10:17 kados hdl: it will be just me :-)
10:18 :)
10:18 hdl in front of 300 bugs ;)
10:19 kados hehe
10:19 hdl I took all the bugs for HEAD and rel30 and ordered them by severity.
10:20 http://tinyurl.com/2s32nt
10:20 kados looking
10:21 hdl hi frederic.
10:21 frederic hello
10:21 kados 298 bugs
10:22 hdl I merge one with an other and there were actually 299 bugs.
10:22 So that is the correct count.
10:23 kados if I create a new vendor, I get a page that has a blank search!
10:23 You searched on vendor 2, 0 results found
10:24 bug 1841 specifically is fixed
10:25 hdl: how do you want to proceed?
10:25 step through each bug?
10:25 hdl at least major, blo cri...
10:26 Leaving normal bugs to the big bug squashing session ?
10:26 Testing and debugging will take time.
10:26 kados sure
10:26 so next is 1812?
10:26 hdl frederic, are you in for bug squashing session too ?
10:26 yes.
10:27 kados we have inconsistent mechanisms for display of itemtype images
10:27 there are two modes currently, with item-level_itypes ON and with it OFF
10:27 frederic Well, I'm curious to discover what 'squashing' mean :)
10:27 Listening...
10:27 yes, if there is a smallish bug...
10:27 hdl (killing, assigning for resolution)
10:28 kados : how can we solve that ?
10:29 frederic kados: I don't want to interfer to your bugs 'squashing' session, but I sent a patch to translate facets labels in opac/staff search result page. This patch didn't go through. Any reason?
10:30 kados frederic: I sent you a message about that patch, you didn't receive it?
10:30 sent twice in fact
10:30 frederic no
10:30 yes, I resent it :)
10:30 kados really strange
10:32 hdl: so for all of your customers, you use biblioitems.itemtype for both icons and circ rules?
10:36 frederic: email was sent to Frederic DEMIANS <f.demians@tamil.fr>
10:36 frederic: on Feb 28
10:37 hdl kados : yes we aez.
10:37 are
10:38 frederic kados: this address is correct but I didn't receive your message... Could you please resend it?
10:38 hdl at the moment.
10:39 kados frederic: sent
10:39 hdl But we have a customer that is willing to use itemlevel circ rules.
10:40 kados biblioitems.itemtype and items.itype are used for too many things atm IMO
10:40 it should be for circ rules only, not for icons, etc.
10:40 but for 3.0, we'll just fix the display probs
10:41 I will take 1812
10:41 hdl next 1892 : I can take if galen has not coped with it yet.
10:42 1898 even
10:42 kados yep
10:42 go for it
10:43 hdl Next: what are those reserve enhancements about ?
10:43 1532
10:44 kados yep, it's on the list for 3.0 to at least look at kyle's holds queue for dev_week
10:44 galen will take that
10:45 one prob is as Owen describes:
10:45 If the reserve list can't be limited by
10:45 branch  it is unusable to us.
10:45 but also, the holds list in the official koha should be able to 'target' locations, not just do a broadcast to every location
10:46 hdl (Are you IndependentBranches ? or not ?)
10:46 kados either way
10:46 NPL it's OFF
10:47 hdl I think it will be the same thing in France.
10:47 kados in fact, our larger US libraries have custom code to do it already
10:47 like stow (PHP), NPL (PHP)
10:48 hdl Can we reuse this code partly ?
10:48 kados galen is going to investigate this
10:48 hdl Or is it all hardcoded and quick coded ?
10:48 so that is for bug 1824.
10:49 kados and 1532 also
10:49 hdl OK.
10:50 next is suggestion management.
10:50 We spoke about it with Nicole.
10:50 I can cope with this one.
10:50 kados OK
10:51 1803 is fixed
10:52 1629 is next
10:52 hdl This is two folded bug :
10:52 kados IMO it's a very poorly implemented feature :(
10:52 hdl a) use opac advsearchapi.
10:53 b) problem of storing files on the disk.
10:53 kados IMO, we shoudl not store any files on the disk
10:53 why should apache have write access just for rss?
10:53 IMO it's just an alternative 'view' of the results page
10:54 so it could be just a template
10:54 instead of a separate script
10:54 hdl: what do you think?
10:55 hdl it is not the same page at all as opac-searchresults.
10:55 Maybe could be produced via an additional parameter RSS.
10:56 (say outputformat for instance)
10:56 kados format=rss
10:56 snap :-)
10:56 hdl but we definitely need it to run and be ok.
10:57 (And maybe would be great in conjunction of storing searchresults in the db)
10:57 kados why do we need it to store the results?
10:58 RSS is really just an alternate view of the same content
10:59 hdl you're right.

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