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| Time | Nick | Message |
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| 11:24 | Fallor | hello paul |
| 12:16 | gmcharlt | Fallor: to answer your question, for 3.0 you could do a SQL 'delete from import_batches' to delete everything; for 2.2.9 you could 'delete from marc_breeding' |
| 12:16 | I'm not aware of a way to do it from the staff interface | |
| 13:20 | paul | 'morning gmcharlt & nengard |
| 13:20 | gmcharlt | hi paul |
| 13:21 | nengard | morning |
| 13:27 | owen | Hello #koha |
| 13:27 | paul | hello owen |
| 13:35 | nengard | Hi owen |
| 13:39 | paul | does anyone around know what is the "items.enumchron" column done for? (added by mason yesterday) |
| 14:00 | gmcharlt | paul: volume and chronology statements for an item, e.g., vol. 1 (1990) |
| 14:01 | paul | is there a link with the serials module ? |
| 14:02 | gmcharlt | not yet (the immediate reason for adding the field is to support a migration from a Voyager database), but would be logically to integrate that field with serials |
| 14:03 | paul | thx |
| 14:07 | owen | paul, is tools/inventory.pl something your libraries use? |
| 14:07 | paul | yep |
| 14:07 | owen | I have a couple of questions for you, then |
| 14:08 | first, would it make sense to you to hide the form after you've submitted a search? I was thinking it made sense to give the whole page to the search results instead of redisplaying the form each time | |
| 14:09 | kados_ | g'morning all |
| 14:09 | owen | Hi kados_ |
| 14:09 | kados_ | paul: did you have some OAI patches you want in the beta? |
| 14:09 | gmcharlt | hi kados_ |
| 14:10 | paul | (on phone, sorry) |
| 14:10 | kados | scheduled ones anyway :-) |
| 14:10 | gmcharlt: got a sec? | |
| 14:11 | gmcharlt | kados: sure -- I can call you if you want a phone call before 1 pm ;-) |
| 14:11 | kados | hehe |
| 14:11 | so ... I was playing around with the installer yesterday, particilarly the web portion, and installing with other languages | |
| 14:12 | so starting in the misc/translator dir I did: | |
| 14:12 | mkdir ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE | |
| 14:12 | ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/ -o ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE/ -s po/de-DE-i-staf | |
| 14:12 | f-t-prog-v-3000000.po -r | |
| 14:12 | oops, that didn't paste in quite right | |
| 14:12 | mkdir ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE | |
| 14:12 | ./tmpl_process3.pl install -i ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/ -o ../../koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/de-DE/ -s po/de-DE-i-staff-t-prog-v-3000000.po -r | |
| 14:12 | so that will install the German staff templates | |
| 14:12 | gmcharlt | with you so far |
| 14:13 | kados | when I installed from German, after the install completed, mainpage.pl failed witht he following: |
| 14:13 | Can't call method "delete" on an undefined value at /home/jmf/koha/lib/C4/Auth.pm line 499. | |
| 14:13 | something wonked up about the session handling I think | |
| 14:15 | gmcharlt | yeah -- does it then work OK if you go to the main page directly (i.e., not following the link you get from the installer?) |
| 14:15 | kados | no |
| 14:19 | paul: you around? | |
| 14:19 | paul | (still on phone) |
| 14:19 | kados | k |
| 14:23 | paul | back |
| 14:24 | kados : about OAI patches. There is a problem in encoding, that Ecole des mines want to solve, so that will be for later. | |
| 14:25 | kados | paul: later as in next week? or two months? |
| 14:25 | paul | next week I think |
| 14:25 | kados | OK |
| 14:25 | paul | (quickly I mean) |
| 14:26 | about installer : maybe you're facing the problem I had and resulted in the patch including yaml that you've reverted. | |
| 14:26 | not sure, but it remind me something | |
| 14:28 | kados | ahh, interesting |
| 14:28 | it looked like a good patch, but it broke stuff and I didn't have time to figure out why :-) | |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | kados: re installing in de-DE: no MARC flavour is currently defined -- did you just skip that when you did the install? |
| 14:43 | kados | hmmm |
| 14:43 | I guess so! | |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | anyway, I've now been able to reproduce the problem |
| 14:45 | paul | mmm... the problem that resulted in the reversed patch was in InstallerAuth.pm, not in Auth.pm so maybe your problem is not related to that. |
| 14:45 | another idea : do you have mysql or /tmp as session storage ? | |
| 14:45 | gmcharlt | mysql |
| 14:47 | paul | kados : when do you plan to release the beta (pascale nalon is working on french translation to tune & complete some strings) |
| 14:50 | kados | paul: well, we're getting closer, have to resolve this install prob, and I have some aditional testing to do |
| 14:50 | gmcharlt | kados: here's what I found so far |
| 14:51 | kados | paul: when can Pascale submit improvements to french translation? |
| 14:51 | gmcharlt | de-DE has no marcflavour and no default data to load |
| 14:51 | in particular, it has no sysprefs | |
| 14:51 | since there's no SessionStorage syspref, it defaults to file | |
| 14:51 | kados | gmcharlt: ahh, right ... we overlooked that I guess |
| 14:51 | gmcharlt | it tries to read from the session file created during install |
| 14:51 | but can't read it (so paul's YAML patch is relevant) | |
| 14:51 | kados | which I assume has been deleted |
| 14:52 | gmcharlt | I will see if deleting the session before handing over to mainpage at least avoids the carp |
| 14:53 | but I think for translations that do not have MARC frameworks and sample data | |
| 14:53 | we either need to default to 'en' | |
| 14:53 | paul | gmcharlt: ++ |
| 14:53 | gmcharlt | or at the very least, load the en sysprefs |
| 15:00 | paul | the french translation team faces problems to translate "matchpoint"... we can't find a french term... |
| 15:01 | kados | gmcharlt: I agree |
| 15:02 | paul | could english-speaking ppl give me some synonyms for "matchpoints" in the Koha context ? |
| 15:03 | kados | well, matchpoints could also be 'match points' |
| 15:03 | gmcharlt | paul: so when a French library is loading a batch of records, and during the load wants to deduplicate the incoming records against the already loaded records on (say) ISBN or national bibliography number, what do the call the concept of using the ISBN or standard number index |
| 15:03 | for that matching? | |
| 15:04 | paul: 'match index' ? 'mathcing index'? 'deduplication index'? | |
| 15:14 | atz | perhaps "match criteria"? |
| 15:14 | (no semantic overlap with tennis) | |
| 15:15 | kados | hehe |
| 15:16 | gmcharlt | atz++ |
| 15:46 | fbcit | hi koha |
| 15:48 | kados | hey fbcit |
| 15:51 | paul: re: OAI ... do you have some specs for that feature yet? | |
| 15:52 | paul | kados: what kind of specs do you expect ? the script just makes Koha OAI harvestable. |
| 15:53 | (not sure it's correct english...) | |
| 15:53 | kados | it's correct |
| 15:53 | atz | correct english is overrated :) |
| 15:53 | kados | paul: a full implementation of OAI? |
| 15:56 | paul | the following methods are implemented (POD doc) : |
| 15:56 | =item B<new>: initialization step, | |
| 15:56 | =item B<dispose>: clean up step, | |
| 15:56 | =item B<Archive_ListSets>: return list of defined sets, | |
| 15:56 | =item B<Archive_GetRecord>: return a record, | |
| 15:56 | =item B<Archive_ListRecords>: return a list of records, | |
| 15:56 | =item B<Archive_ListIdentifiers>: return a list of record identifiers, | |
| 15:57 | kados | paul: can you add this to the wiki? |
| 15:57 | paul | which page ? |
| 15:57 | kados | sec |
| 15:59 | paul: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]opment:qanotes3.0 | |
| 16:00 | paul: under the APIs section for now | |
| 16:00 | paul: add OAI link please | |
| 16:00 | and I'll make sure to add it to the release notes | |
| 16:08 | paul | kados : done |
| 16:09 | kados | paul++ |
| 16:09 | gmcharlt | paul, kados: I'm going to signoff on Paul's YAML patch, make another patch to correct an issue with it, then submit set of install patches |
| 16:09 | kados | gmcharlt: sounds good |
| 16:10 | gmcharlt: might want to CC me directly at rmkoha.org for the install ones so I can push them up unmediated and continue RM testing |
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| 16:10 | gmcharlt | ok |
| 16:15 | fbcit | heh |
| 16:16 | gmcharlt | fbcit++ |
| 16:17 | kados | fbcit: wow, that's awesome |
| 16:17 | fbcit | question for owen, atz, and anyone else interested... |
| 16:17 | should we restrict image types to jpeg only? | |
| 16:17 | or allow other formats? | |
| 16:17 | paul | nope, we should also allow png imho |
| 16:17 | atz | png and probably gif even |
| 16:17 | owen | And we're just talking about patron images, right? |
| 16:18 | fbcit | right now, yes |
| 16:19 | atz | this would simplify the "small logo" kind of stuff in sysprefs too |
| 16:19 | fbcit | also the restriction on pixel dimensions may become important as images can get pretty big |
| 16:19 | kados: what is the largest number of patrons currently served on a Koha install? | |
| 16:19 | or anyone else who knows | |
| 16:20 | paul | SANOP is something like 20 000 patrons. |
| 16:20 | (active) | |
| 16:20 | atz | that physics institute had tens of thousands, at least |
| 16:21 | owen | NPL has 53500 total |
| 16:21 | atz | your backup gets to be a serious pain in the ass |
| 16:21 | owen | ...but we'll probably never use the feature |
| 16:21 | fbcit | atz: actually, you have to backup the data one way or the other, but I can see your point. |
| 16:22 | kados | fbcit: I suspect only the small libraries will store images |
| 16:22 | paul | yep, I suspect too |
| 16:22 | fbcit | I am hoping to add the ability to print patron cards from inside koha and would like to have photo on them |
| 16:22 | atz | i didn't backup pix when I ran k-12 servers (the most reliable users of patron photos) |
| 16:22 | paul | unless we let the user upload a picture itself from OPAC. |
| 16:23 | atz | mainly because I received all the images on disc media |
| 16:23 | fbcit | paul: I had thought of that too. |
| 16:23 | atz | so the original is the backup |
| 16:24 | fbcit | paul: the only problem I see there is image restrictions such as pixel dimensions. |
| 16:24 | kados: it would still be wise IMO to benchmark against a large number of records *just-in-case* | |
| 16:26 | ok, I'll simply refactor the current patronimage functionality to store images in the db and other changes/improvements can be made from there | |
| 16:27 | atz | does YUI have any image upload tools? |
| 16:27 | fbcit | I'll also allow for png, gif, and jpeg |
| 16:27 | I'm not sure | |
| 16:28 | pianohacker | Supposing I wanted to submit the necessary patches for my smart rules and issuing specificity ideas, how would I go about doing that? |
| 16:28 | kados | pianohacker: hiya |
| 16:28 | pianohacker: are you working on the 3.0 codebase? | |
| 16:29 | pianohacker | Yes |
| 16:30 | I'll probably backport any patches to my workplace's 2.2.9 install, but yes | |
| 16:30 | kados | sweet, so submitting patches is a snap |
| 16:30 | here's a guide: | |
| 16:30 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lopment:git_usage | |
| 16:30 | pianohacker | kados: Ahh, thanks |
| 16:30 | kados | and if you have questions after reading that shout out, we're all here to help :-) |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: I'm glad that you're working on 3.0 -- there's a lot of interest in the smart rules desgin |
| 16:31 | pianohacker | Well, cool |
| 16:31 | kados | smart_rules_design++ |
| 16:31 | gmcharlt: pushed up the patches you sent | |
| 16:32 | pianohacker | For some godforsaken reason, our library has roughly 30 itemtypes, so a replacement for the 256 cell matrix came about by necessity |
| 16:33 | qiqo | hi may i know who's incharge of the windows releases? |
| 16:33 | i couldnt see 2.2.9 anymore | |
| 16:36 | kados | qiqo: I believe fbcit is working on a windows installer that's native to koha 3 |
| 16:36 | pianohacker: *nod* | |
| 16:37 | fbcit | qiqo: still aways to go on Koha 3 on win32 |
| 16:38 | qiqo: I'm not familiar with the 2.2.9 win32 release | |
| 16:38 | qiqo: but see http://www.koha.rwjr.com/ | |
| 16:39 | paul | kados : i've an updated french translation. Should I send it directly to rmkoha.org or patcheskoha.org ? |
| 16:39 | kados | paul: send through patches |
| 16:39 | fbcit | atz: YUI does have an uploader, but it's marked experimental currently. |
| 16:39 | paul | done |
| 16:40 | qiqoqo | when i create an adobe file, all that i can see in that file are the barcodes |
| 16:41 | no spinelabels and titles even i set the parameters correctly | |
| 16:41 | fbcit | atz:http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/uploader/ |
| 16:42 | qiqoqo: is this on win32? | |
| 16:42 | qiqoqo | yup |
| 16:43 | fbcit | I'm not sure there, sorry. |
| 16:43 | qiqoqo | no problem |
| 16:43 | fbcit | qiqoqo: there is a win32 list |
| 16:43 | qiqoqo: see http://lists.nongnu.org/mailma[…]stinfo/koha-win32 | |
| 16:43 | qiqoqo | but i suspect that it's the items and biblioitems tables which is causing the problem |
| 16:43 | yeah im on with that list actually | |
| 16:45 | ive searched the mailing list.. no luck | |
| 16:45 | atz | fbcit: interesting... flash player upload control |
| 16:45 | pianohacker | I can see why they did; input type |
| 16:46 | =file is somewhat crippled | |
| 16:46 | atz | yeah, being able to set a bigger SEND buffer is pretty cool too |
| 16:46 | fbcit | atz: maybe I'll give it a closer look once I'm done with the other mods |
| 16:47 | qiqoqo | i just want to ask,, i saw that my itemnumber column in my items table does not have anything,. so you think that's the problem? |
| 16:47 | atz | isn't itemnumber the primary index? |
| 16:48 | that would be a problem. | |
| 16:48 | kados | yep |
| 16:48 | fbcit | bbiab |
| 16:54 | qiqoqo | hmm |
| 16:59 | sorry it was itemcallnumber | |
| 16:59 | it's blank | |
| 17:00 | nul | |
| 17:01 | pianohacker | qiqoqo: I can't see that being a huge problem |
| 17:01 | How about biblioitems.itemtype? | |
| 17:02 | qiqoqo | biblioitems.itemtype is populated |
| 17:13 | ohh gosh.. | |
| 17:18 | hmm.. | |
| 17:18 | it really seems that it does not connect to biblioitems | |
| 17:20 | paul | to anyone having a git setup : is tools/hotlidays working for you ? |
| 17:21 | it's no more working for me (when I click on a day, the "Library" field is empty) | |
| 17:22 | owen: " first, would it make sense to you to hide the form after you've submitted a search? I was thinking it made sense to give the whole page to the search results instead of redisplaying the form each time" ? | |
| 17:22 | : | |
| 17:22 | yes, it could be OK for me (if you have the breadcrumb) | |
| 17:23 | pls if you're working on inventory, also try to understand why the printing display only 1st page (and thus only a small part of the list) | |
| 17:25 | strange : it seems holidays.pl works fine with opera, but not with firefox | |
| 17:27 | gmcharlt | paul: I think I touched tools/holidays.pl last -- I'll take a lok |
| 17:27 | look | |
| 17:28 | paul | thx |
| 17:32 | gmcharlt | paul: seems OK to me -- when I click on a day, I see the branch code in the 'library' field (although I suppose as an enhancment it ought to display the name, not hte code) |
| 17:32 | paul | are your superlibrarian ? |
| 17:33 | kados | shouldn't it also have a 'default holidays' for all libraries? |
| 17:33 | paul | kados : an other idea would be to be able to copy holidays from one branch to another |
| 17:34 | gmcharlt | paul: yes |
| 17:35 | paul | could you try without being (as i'm not) |
| 17:35 | note also that it works with Opera, so it's a dirty problem i'm afraid | |
| 17:36 | kados | paul: in the french translation, staff client, do you have 'Set' properly wrapped by two parentheses (Set) ? |
| 17:36 | paul: I'm just noticing that the german translation is missing the ) | |
| 17:36 | paul | yes i do |
| 17:36 | (Définir) | |
| 17:36 | kados | strange |
| 17:37 | paul | gmcharlt: when i'm superlibrarian, it works fine as well |
| 17:37 | kados | I'm also seeing a few stray strings like the occassional \t |
| 17:39 | gmcharlt | paul: still works as a non-superlibrarian user |
| 17:40 | paul | :-( |
| 17:40 | gmcharlt | paul: are you using the French templates -- might be a small XHTML error that's cropping in during tmpl_process or something |
| 17:40 | paul | nope, I did the test in english |
| 17:41 | (I always work in english when testing, as I already have discovered that translation ADD problems ;-) ) | |
| 17:57 | time to leave for me. i'm in paris tomorrow, see you on monday (for a complete week at the office !!!!) | |
| 17:58 | kados | cya paul |
| 17:58 | paul | (oups, no i've a meeting on thursday ;-) ) |
| 17:58 | paul_away | kados & all liblimer : have a good week at code4lib. |
| 17:58 | atz | thx |
| 17:58 | paul_away | "veinards" ;-) |
| 18:12 | atz | there appears to be a ton of overdues related detritus in the codebase still |
| 18:17 | pianohacker | I'm going to try to submit a template for the default set along with smart-rules; is there any style guide for that? |
| 18:25 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: I can e-mail you the template I made when I updated your 2.2 template to 3.0 for my testing -- that should give you an idea |
| 18:27 | pianohac1er: (since it looks like you may have dropped out for a moment) I can e-mail you the template I made when I updated your 2.2 template to 3.0 for my testing -- that should give you an idea | |
| 18:27 | pianohac1er | Woops, wrong button |
| 18:28 | gmcharlt: Ahh, thank you | |
| 18:29 | gmcharlt | pianohac1er: email sent |
| 18:40 | qiqoqo | it really seems that it does not connect to biblioitems |
| 18:43 | pianohacker | Hmm. Only connection I can see is items.biblioitemnumber |
| 18:43 | Is _that_ filled? | |
| 19:11 | qiqoqo | yup |
| 19:11 | it is | |
| 19:13 | so which perl script does the job of forwarding data to the label-print-pdf | |
| 19:14 | almost going crazy | |
| 19:23 | kados | hey tim |
| 19:28 | qiqoqo | oh gosh,, going crazy over this |
| 19:28 | tim | Hey kados |
| 19:39 | atz | warn (length($var) > 100 ? "\$var is too big to display" : $var); # cheap workaround |
| 20:29 | kados | atz: got a sec to brainstorm? |
| 20:29 | atz | ok |
| 20:29 | kados | atz: I'm trying to overcome the problem where zebraqueue wails on C4::Context-dbh before the db is created |
| 20:29 | my thinking was an internal sub in zebraqueue_daemin.pl | |
| 20:29 | that manages the dbh ... | |
| 20:30 | ie, when it's invalid, it sleeps 20 seconds and tries agin or something | |
| 20:30 | atz | i haven't looked inside zebraqueue much at all |
| 20:32 | probably should just do my $dbh = C4::Context->dbh or sleep/warn /whatever | |
| 20:33 | kados | that would work once |
| 20:33 | atz | my $sth = $dbh->prepare ("blahblah") or sleep/warn/whatever |
| 20:33 | kados | woudln't it also throw an error with my ? |
| 20:34 | if that variable is used later? | |
| 20:34 | atz | it should declare the variable somewhere, if it uses it |
| 20:35 | it doesn't matter (to me) what scope it does the declaration in. the Context call failing is the important thing to catch. | |
| 20:35 | kados | zebraqueue is a deamon, so it's persistant |
| 20:35 | we don't want it dieing | |
| 20:36 | atz | i didn't say die anywhere |
| 20:36 | kados | well, if I go: |
| 20:36 | my $dbh = C4::Context->dbh or sleep 3; | |
| 20:36 | $dbh->prepare(something) | |
| 20:36 | that will kill the script if C4::Context->dbh doesn't evaluate as true | |
| 20:36 | atz | you would need to kick out to redo the loop |
| 20:37 | kados | because $dbh woudln't exist |
| 20:37 | atz | right, see above |
| 20:37 | kados | what loop? |
| 20:37 | I think that's just it, we need a loop | |
| 20:37 | atz | whatever block |
| 20:37 | kados | every time there's a dbh call |
| 20:37 | so I'm thinking maybe an internal function for managing all dbhes? | |
| 20:38 | does that make sense? | |
| 20:38 | but then I begin wondering if that should, in fact be handled by ->dbh :-) | |
| 20:38 | atz | you can do unless ($dbh = C4::Context->dbh ) { sleep 30; warn "hey!~"; &some_log_function();} |
| 20:39 | there are many references to dbh, but only 1 connection | |
| 20:39 | (per session) | |
| 20:39 | so there is nothing to manage any further, as far as that goes | |
| 20:40 | you might do something like C4::Daemon | |
| 20:40 | and add the loopified, conditionally sleepy dbh stuff there | |
| 20:41 | but I don't think it's much worth it, just for this | |
| 20:42 | kados | the alternative is 34,000 lines in your error logs every hour :-) |
| 20:42 | atz | any problem w/ the unless version? |
| 20:42 | kados | so that version still needs a loop |
| 20:43 | because what happens is after 30 seconds it logs the error and proceeds normally | |
| 20:43 | what I think we need, is to capture the dbh call and make it sleepy every time it's called in this script | |
| 20:43 | and re-try when it times out | |
| 20:44 | ie, after 30 seconds, we want it to try again | |
| 20:44 | and then wait another 30 seconds | |
| 20:44 | atz | while (!$dbh) { the_rest_of_it } |
| 20:44 | kados | and so-on |
| 20:44 | make sense? | |
| 20:44 | atz | this isn't that hard |
| 20:44 | kados | my $dbh; |
| 20:44 | while (!$dbh) { $dbh = C4::Context->dbh } | |
| 20:44 | like that? | |
| 20:46 | atz | while (!$dbh) { $dbh = C4::Context->dbh; ($dbh) or warn/sleep/log;} |
| 20:48 | or you can do while (1){ ... ; $dbh and last; warn;sleep;log;} | |
| 20:49 | kados | *nod* |
| 20:49 | atz | i'd recommend the escalating kind of delay like TCP does. |
| 20:50 | having already declared: my $minsleep = 30; my $maxsleep = 5000; | |
| 20:51 | the sleep line becomes like: | |
| 20:51 | sleep $minsleep *= 2; | |
| 20:52 | sleep ($minsleep *= 2 > $maxsleep) ? $maxsleep : $minsleep; | |
| 20:53 | kados | I like it |
| 20:53 | thanks | |
| 20:53 | atz | yeah, that kind of thing is reasonable machine (or protocol) behavior |
| 20:54 | it's like, "well, you've been broken 6 times in a row now, maybe I shouldn't still be expecting you to be online in next second" | |
| 20:54 | kados | *nod* |
| 20:58 | atz | someday, i might like to get deeper into zebra/zebraqueue code |
| 20:59 | look at benchmarking it (inside vs. ouside a VM), optimize caching, etc. | |
| 01:02 | thd | Is there a problem with git.koha.org or is it just me? |
| 01:03 | kados | thd: working for me |
| 01:03 | thd: long time no see! | |
| 01:03 | qiqoqo | wow so you guys are releasing beta? |
| 01:03 | coool! | |
| 01:04 | kados | qiqoqo: soon my friend, soon |
| 01:05 | hopefully in time for Code4libCon | |
| 01:05 | qiqoqo | hehe wow great job guys |
| 01:05 | thd | kados: I have remote: aborting due to possible repository corruption on the remote site |
| 01:06 | qiqo | i can see the release notes for beta |
| 01:06 | i always get that error when i use the git repository,, sorta like with the indexing or stuff | |
| 01:06 | kados | qiqo: yep, they're not completely done |
| 01:07 | qiqo | so excited.. our university launched it's own ils.. i dont like it.. it's over priced and they wont opensource it. hehe |
| 01:07 | thd | qiqo: If you get that error, how do you use git? |
| 01:08 | qiqo | i just folow the installation instruction on debian.. |
| 01:08 | sorry i just merely forgot how to do that, im on a windows server machine at the moment, | |
| 01:09 | copied and pasted the one which is in debianinstall which is option one.. | |
| 01:10 | anyway i never get successful with it so i always use option two | |
| 01:11 | which is to download koha manually.. | |
| 01:17 | thd | kados: when did you last fetch from git? |
| 01:17 | kados | thd: this morning IIRC |
| 01:18 | thd: I'll try right now | |
| 01:18 | thd: working fine for me thusfar | |
| 01:19 | thd | Yet I have this fatal error |
| 01:19 | for the past 3 hours | |
| 01:19 | kados | :( |
| 01:22 | pianohacker | Hello there |
| 01:23 | How should I add smart-rules to the admin-home page? | |
| 01:24 | gmcharlt | pianohacker: add links to koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/modules/admin/admin-home.tmpl |
| 01:24 | and koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/includes/admin-menu.inc | |
| 01:24 | pianohacker | Okay, cool |
| 01:24 | gmcharlt | in same fashion as links to issuingrules.pl |
| 01:25 | pianohacker | How to deal with the overlap of functionality, though? |
| 01:25 | Call it Circulation and Fines Rules (NEW) ? | |
| 01:27 | gmcharlt | Circulation and Fines Rules (alternative interface), perhaps |
| 01:27 | title can be changed later once everybody is comfortable with it and ready to remove (or deemphasize) the existing issuingrules.pl | |
| 01:29 | pianohacker | You guys use 4-space indentation, right? |
| 01:30 | bbl | |
| 01:30 | pianohacker|foo | Engfeh |
| 01:34 | gmcharlt | pianohacker|afk: 4-space indents in Perl code |
| 01:34 | pianohacker|afk: in practice, less disciplined indented in the HTML templates ;) | |
| 01:34 | kados | indenting html templates consistently is hard |
| 01:36 | gmcharlt | hmm, is http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]oding%20standards all there is on the wiki -- could stand a little more meat, if so |
| 01:39 | kados | there's also a page on the kohadocs.org site |
| 01:39 | http://www.kohadocs.org/codingguidelines.html | |
| 01:39 | that unfortunately isn't easy to edit | |
| 01:39 | until we move to plone | |
| 01:53 | fbcit | g'night koha. I'm off to sleep. |
| 01:55 | thd | kados: what does git --version report for you? |
| 01:56 | kados | git --version |
| 01:56 | git version 1.5.3.7 | |
| 01:57 | thd | I have the same so that cannot be the problem |
| 01:57 | kados | try a fresh clone |
| 01:57 | thd | :( |
| 01:57 | qiqo | is there a way to recheck the database of koha? it seems that my problem is about the database.. i really cannot print spinelabels, i only get barcodes and item type, no call number |
| 01:59 | thd | qiqo: did you create items for your bibiographic records with ca numbers? |
| 02:00 | s/ca/call/ | |
| 02:01 | qiqo | yeah |
| 02:01 | 082, 900 series right? | |
| 02:01 | both of them are filled up | |
| 02:03 | thd | qiqo: I do not mean the MARC 21 standard location for call numbers but the one specific for Koha items |
| 02:04 | qiqo | where is that? |
| 02:04 | because i only see "null" on the itemcallnumber field on the items table | |
| 02:04 | thd | ]qiqo: I should know immediately but let me verify |
| 02:04 | qiqo | that field is never populated |
| 02:05 | thd | qiqo: which version are you testing |
| 02:05 | ? | |
| 02:05 | qiqo | 2.2.8 on windows |
| 02:05 | win 2003 server sp2 | |
| 02:06 | will it be fine if the cardinality of records from items table is not equal to the number of records in biblioitems? | |
| 02:09 | thd | qiqo: Koha should manage the incrementation for you and if it has done that should not be a problem |
| 02:10 | qiqo | ahh ok |
| 02:10 | thd | qiqo: Koha items should be in 952 for rel_2_2 |
| 02:11 | qiqo | let me check |
| 02:11 | thd | and also for 3.0 |
| 02:11 | qiqo | it's 942 in mine |
| 02:14 | thd | qiqo: I suspect that you are confusing 952 and 942 |
| 02:15 | qiqo: 942 call numbers are only used for sorting | |
| 02:15 | a result set | |
| 02:16 | qiqo: of course you may have changed the defaults but unless you remember changing them you probably did not | |
| 02:17 | qiqo: have you followed the step for some test records of adding items (copies) to your biblio records? | |
| 02:17 | qiqoqo | sorry bout that |
| 02:17 | got disconnected | |
| 02:18 | darn isp | |
| 02:18 | thd | qiqo: have you followed the step for some test records of adding items (copies) to your biblio records? |
| 02:18 | qiqoqo | nope.. i started from a blank db |
| 02:18 | previously i was on linux | |
| 02:19 | and it's like i was printing spine labels manually | |
| 02:20 | thd | qiqooqo: well you cannot expect good results with an empty db but I expect that you did not mean to say that your DB is empty :) |
| 02:20 | qiqoqo | ah.. only the framework |
| 02:20 | hehe | |
| 02:20 | hmm.. i already have 300 records.. aww.. | |
| 02:21 | is started with 2.2.7, there was no spine label printing then | |
| 02:21 | thd | qiqoqo: and do those records have items (copies) attached for holdings? |
| 02:22 | qiqoqo | yup |
| 02:22 | i use koha for my library | |
| 02:23 | thd | qiqoqo: in the same field as the one holding the barcode, probably 952 on a Koha MARC 21 system, do you have call numbers? |
| 02:23 | qiqoqo | i started up with it.. so im in the middle of cataloguing things |
| 02:25 | field on the database? | |
| 02:26 | as far as im concerned, the field that only has the call number is biblioitems.classification | |
| 02:26 | nothing for items.itemcallnumber, it's empty | |
| 02:26 | thd | qiqoqo: items.itemcallnumber |
| 02:26 | qiqoqo | and if i put something on items.itemcallnumber it prints to the pdf |
| 02:27 | thd | qiqoqo: hooray |
| 02:28 | qiqoqo | but the problem is, i cant paste data from biblioitems.classification to items.itemcallnumber |
| 02:28 | they dont have the same cardinality | |
| 02:28 | and the titles wont also print | |
| 02:29 | thd | qiqoqo: if you edit your items manually and add call numbers to each item then you should be fine |
| 02:29 | qiqoqo | aww.. |
| 02:29 | that's 300 records.. a | |
| 02:29 | hehe | |
| 02:29 | atz | you can script yourself a mysql update |
| 02:29 | might be easier | |
| 02:30 | qiqoqo | haha,, i only have a limited knowledge on mysql |
| 02:30 | but hmm. | |
| 02:30 | thd | atz: qiqoqo is worried about a difference in cardinality |
| 02:31 | qiqoqo: there is something that can help | |
| 02:31 | qiqoqo: what classification scheme are you using? | |
| 02:31 | qiqoqo | also the title is not printing im suspecting that its a miscommunication between items and biblioitems tables |
| 02:31 | DDC | |
| 02:32 | thd | qiqoqo: is 082 populated for your records? |
| 02:32 | qiqoqo | 082 and 942 |
| 02:34 | OMG i really dont want to startr over again, books are already on the shelves. | |
| 02:34 | thd | qiqoqo: can you export your records successfully in MARC 21? |
| 02:35 | qiqoqo | hold on i'll try |
| 02:35 | ok i exported it | |
| 02:36 | thd | qiqoqo: are you more comfortable with Perl than SQL? |
| 02:37 | qiqoqo | neither of them hehe.. |
| 02:37 | i actually check the perlscripts.. label-print.pl | |
| 02:38 | the sql statements there seem to be fine | |
| 02:38 | i really think it's with my database structure which causes the problem | |
| 02:39 | thd | qiqoqo: items.itemcallnumber is not filled automatically |
| 02:39 | qiqoqo | well i havent tested this on 3.0 because im getting a "frey 50" thing on field 100 |
| 02:40 | thd | frey 50? |
| 02:40 | atz | that's a marc21 error |
| 02:40 | i thought it was fixed though... | |
| 02:41 | thd | atz: qiqoqo is using 2.2.8 |
| 02:41 | qiqoqo | oh i already reported it |
| 02:41 | thd | when does that error occur? |
| 02:42 | qiqoqo | yeah when i exported 2.2.8, then it goes successfully |
| 02:42 | when i search the opac.. it has 'frey 50' after the author | |
| 02:42 | and if a title does not have an author, system replaces it with a date in YYYYMMDD format + frey 50 | |
| 02:43 | tried it on zebra and non zebra | |
| 02:43 | edjarima | good night |
| 02:43 | qiqoqo | gmcharlt already saw this.. and he said you're fixing it |
| 02:43 | we were on remote desktop connection last time | |
| 02:43 | :) | |
| 02:43 | edjarima | good night |
| 02:43 | thd | good night edjarima |
| 02:44 | qiqoqo | nyty edjarima |
| 02:46 | so this problem was already fixed? | |
| 02:46 | i can try it again.. | |
| 02:48 | thd | qiqoqo: I assume that the fix requires updating to a CVS version of Koha |
| 02:49 | qiqoqp: but maybe you could merely copy one file which fixed the issue | |
| 02:52 | qiqoqo: do you care what your barcodes are or anything else already in your items? | |
| 02:52 | qiqoqo | barcodes are printing fine |
| 02:53 | my only concern is the title and the call number.. | |
| 02:53 | i really cant do the manual thing anymore,, causes me stress. | |
| 02:54 | thd | qiqoqo: So you do not care about retaining some particular barcodes as long as they are unique? |
| 02:54 | qiqoqo | hmm.. what do you mean.. |
| 02:55 | i have to retain barcodes actually | |
| 02:55 | because some of the stuff, merely 200 items already have their barcodes | |
| 02:55 | and are on the shelves already | |
| 02:55 | thd | qiqoqo: OK |
| 02:55 | qiqoqo | sorry if i dont understand it right.. |
| 02:56 | thd | you understood |
| 02:56 | qiqoqo | oh cool.. hehe |
| 02:56 | my only frustration is that.. it's an ILS, automation, i should not go on with the manual thing | |
| 02:59 | thd | qiqoqo: there is some automation for adding call numbers in 2.2.8 but it is limited to adding something like 082 $a but misses $b so you would miss the cutter number |
| 02:59 | qiqoqo | ohhh.. |
| 02:59 | so can this be seen on 3.0? | |
| 03:00 | thd | qiqoqo: this feature in 2.2.8 also only works if you configure it and operates as part of the manual process for adding items |
| 03:01 | qiqoqo: your records could most easily be fixed from an exported set of records | |
| 03:01 | qiqoqo | uhuh |
| 03:01 | but will mess up my barcode right? | |
| 03:01 | thd | qiqoqo: no |
| 03:01 | qiqoqo | ahh ok |
| 03:02 | pianohacker|afk | Hrmfrgldammit |
| 03:02 | I can't get postfix to send correctly | |
| 03:02 | thd | the current version of my script would move them but you do not want that either |
| 03:02 | pianohacker|afk | Is there some other way to get patches to the right place? |
| 03:02 | qiqoqo | hmmm.. |
| 03:02 | so im really traped.. | |
| 03:03 | thd | qiqoqo: no I could fix the script |
| 03:03 | qiqoqo | really? |
| 03:03 | but ill be shifting to 3.0 soon.. | |
| 03:03 | so.. i guess i'll have to wait until the frey 50 thing is fixed | |
| 03:03 | thd | qiqoqo: are you issuing items on loan already? |
| 03:04 | qiqoqo | nope not yet |
| 03:04 | i'll be going to thailand and india to enter data from there | |
| 03:04 | after that i'll open this library | |
| 03:04 | my server is located here in manila | |
| 03:05 | thd | pianohacker: you could email an attachment to the correct address |
| 03:05 | pianohacker | thd: That won't cause any problems? |
| 03:06 | Cause if it would make their lives easier, I'll try to get this godforsaken thing working | |
| 03:06 | thd | pianohacker: you need the special magic word in the subject line to pass the spam filter |
| 03:06 | qiqoqo | lol |
| 03:06 | thd | pianohacker: do try to fix postfix of course |
| 03:07 | pianohacker | thd: Weird thing is, it doesn't seem to be postfix; I can't telnet to any of gmail's incoming SMTP servers. Ah well |
| 03:08 | thd | pioanohacker: add [patch] to the subject line of a manual message with the patch attached and the appropriate comment about its function in the subject and or body |
| 03:09 | qiqoqo | hey i'll try 3.0 and see if things will get fixed |
| 03:09 | pianohacker | Well, hope that worked |
| 03:11 | thd | qiqoqo: call numbers are poorly automated in Koha record creation because of a lack of understanding by most of the programmers working on Koha about how they are used. |
| 03:11 | qiqoqo | the last time gmcharlt screenshared with me, he saw some irregularities with my marc records and i think he fixed it |
| 03:12 | yeah thd, that's what my professor thinks about koha.. | |
| 03:12 | but anyway, he is also waiting for version 3.0 since they are going to deploy it in our National Library | |
| 03:13 | thd | qiqoqo: If you know someone who wants to sponsor much improved automation of adding call numbers it is not difficult to achieve but just time consuming to generalise properly. |
| 03:13 | qiqoqo | he already sent some staff to learn perl |
| 03:13 | thd | qiqoqo: which nation? |
| 03:13 | qiqoqo | Philippines |
| 03:14 | hold on ill be transfering to my macbook | |
| 03:14 | brb | |
| 03:16 | pianohacker | Night all |
| 03:17 | kados | thd: you may want to look more closely at call number handling in 3.0 |
| 03:17 | thd: it's improved considerabley | |
| 03:17 | thd | kados: you did what you said there was no time to do? :) |
| 03:17 | kados | thd: no, but gmcharlt did :- |
| 03:18 | ) | |
| 03:18 | though I will point out that apparantly call numbers are less and less important to libraries | |
| 03:19 | for instance, worldcat local doesn't even support searching by call numbers | |
| 03:19 | qiqo | hmm then how do you search for the physical location of items? |
| 03:20 | well we're still old school here.. "location, co location" | |
| 03:20 | thd | kados: only ignorant librarians like the WorldCat who manage the WorldCat local project believe that |
| 03:20 | s/like the /like the ones/ | |
| 03:21 | qiqo | @thd i dunno about worldcat, never heard it in library school |
| 03:21 | thd | qiqo: WorldCat is the name of the OCLC union catalogue |
| 03:22 | qiqo | ahh ok |
| 03:22 | oclc.. i get it | |
| 03:22 | it may have been the name | |
| 03:22 | we still rely on lc though.. | |
| 03:22 | well it's a part of the curiculum | |
| 03:23 | thd | qiqo: WorldCat local is OCLC's new OPAC which does not have other ILS features |
| 03:23 | qiqo | well gonna research on that, i might teach at the university |
| 03:24 | thd | qiqo: kados just told me that 3.0 development has some call number management features which I have not seen |
| 03:24 | qiqo | ohh that's good |
| 03:24 | im installing debian at the moment.. etch right? | |
| 03:25 | i already changed servers so i have no choice but to install it again | |
| 03:25 | thd | qiqo: If you can wait until 3.0 is usable you would be much better off than migrating from 2.2.X |
| 03:25 | qiqo | hmmm... when would that be? |
| 03:26 | kados | 3.0 is usable now |
| 03:26 | qiqo | it's fine for me to test it anyways.. |
| 03:26 | yeah i think 3.0 is usable | |
| 03:26 | kados | several libraries are in production with 3.0 |
| 03:26 | thd | kados: are there no terrifying bugs left? |
| 03:26 | qiqo | i mean, the most important thing for us here is opac |
| 03:26 | kados | thd: nope, only one annoying one with zebra |
| 03:27 | zebraqueue specifically | |
| 03:27 | thd | kados: I will have to file some ;) |
| 03:27 | kados | but nothing that doesn't have a workaround to my knowledge |
| 03:27 | thd: :-) | |
| 03:28 | qiqo | aw.. |
| 03:28 | thd | qiqo: is the Philippine national library also the largest library in the Philippines? |
| 03:28 | qiqo | nope,, the second one |
| 03:29 | the largest library is my university: University of the philippines | |
| 03:29 | 1.5Million records | |
| 03:29 | national lib i think only has 260,000 | |
| 03:29 | more or less | |
| 03:29 | thd | qiqo: is the University library also a copyright depository library for the Philippines? |
| 03:30 | qiqo | when you publish a book in the philippines, you have to send a copy to national library and UP |
| 03:31 | thd | qiqo: do you have the Z39.50 server parameters for those libraries? |
| 03:31 | qiqo | hmmm i think there's none |
| 03:31 | they dont invest on those things | |
| 03:32 | no z3950 servers here in the philippines to the best of my knowledge | |
| 03:32 | atz | wow, that's remarkable |
| 03:32 | thd | qiqo: what classification and subject heading thesauri do they use? |
| 03:32 | qiqo | libraries here rely on manual copycat from lc or ohio |
| 03:33 | UP is using LC classification and LC subject heading | |
| 03:33 | kados | qiqo: you will have a Z-server if you instal 3.0 :-) |
| 03:33 | qiqo | wow! |
| 03:33 | hahaha | |
| 03:33 | atz | ohio? (i live in ohio) |
| 03:33 | kados | as will the national library |
| 03:33 | qiqo | ohiolink |
| 03:33 | cool! | |
| 03:33 | kados | qiqo: a SRU server too |
| 03:33 | atz | i used to work w/ INFOhio (the k12 version of OhioLink) |
| 03:34 | qiqo | cool |
| 03:34 | yeah... but they have to customize things in the national lib | |
| 03:34 | thd | qiqo: what is done for cataloguing locally published material not in LC or OCLC? |
| 03:35 | qiqo | LC SH and LC C is very limited for the US.. so they designed a customized LC SH and LC C |
| 03:35 | and sometimes we produce our own local theusaurus | |
| 03:36 | as for the national library, it's DDC which they use | |
| 03:36 | i dunno why? hehe | |
| 03:36 | well gotta invite you guys to go to manila sometime.. | |
| 03:36 | haha | |
| 03:36 | thd | qiqo: what are the titles of the published standard for Philippine thesauri? |
| 03:37 | s/standard/standards/ | |
| 03:38 | qiqo | well we have thesauri on local languages.. like we have 80 languages and dialects here in the philippines |
| 03:38 | we also have philippine medical thesaurus | |
| 03:38 | and i tell you guys, if our asian neighbours here in the philippines see that the national library is using koha, they might follow us | |
| 03:39 | we have thesaurus for women studies | |
| 03:40 | thd | qiqo: can you send me a list of the titles of those thesauri? |
| 03:40 | qiqo | hold on ill check |
| 03:41 | thd what is your email? | |
| 03:41 | or can i just post here? | |
| 03:41 | thd | qiqo: koha AT agogme.com |
| 03:41 | qiqo: but you could post it here | |
| 03:42 | qiqo: after all everyone should want to know | |
| 03:43 | qiqo: you should have a little help migrating your exported 2.2.X records to Koha 3.0 | |
| 03:44 | qiqo | ahmm yeah i think so |
| 03:44 | like indexing zebra and stuff | |
| 03:45 | thd | qiqo: Koha specific default fields and subfields have been rearranged so the records should be changed accordingly. |
| 03:46 | qiqo | ohh what does that ean |
| 03:46 | mean | |
| 03:46 | thd | qiqo: If you have no patrons, loans, etc. to migrate then the task should be fairly easy. |
| 03:47 | qiqo | ahh nope, dont have that yet |
| 03:47 | i have a question, since im only the librarian here in our organization.. | |
| 03:48 | thd | qiqo: EAN? European Article Number or standard barcode symbology for products |
| 03:49 | qiqo | and the task for the national library is to deploy koha as replacement for TLC |
| 03:49 | since there is division of work there.. my professor asks if they could like assign priviledges? | |
| 03:50 | thd,, im using code39 | |
| 03:50 | like for the ones who only catalogues... or on the circulation desk | |
| 03:50 | kados | qiqo: has the national library considered getting support from a koha vendor? |
| 03:51 | qiqo: or your university even? | |
| 03:51 | thd | qiqo: yes, Koha has a very flexible system for restricting different librarians to different types of privileges |
| 03:51 | qiqo | oh ok |
| 03:52 | @kados we are thinking about that, but at the moment, i guess they need training first | |
| 03:52 | thd | qiqo: privileges are documented very well in one or more of the documents on setting up Koha http:www.kohadocs.org |
| 03:52 | qiqo | oh ok |
| 03:53 | ill talk to my professor one of this days,, we will have a beer session or something | |
| 03:53 | well i need to tell him to request from one of you guys to go here in manila | |
| 03:54 | thd | qiqo: migrating any large collection should have assistance |
| 03:54 | qiqo | because they are actually fed up paying $30,000 every year for a lousy ILS |
| 03:54 | yeah,, ill be telling him about that | |
| 03:54 | atz | amen! |
| 03:55 | thd | qiqo: even with only 300 books so far in the database that you have been using, fixing something simple is more work than you want to undertake manually |
| 03:56 | qiqo | hehe |
| 03:57 | look at their opac: http://basilio.nlp.gov.ph/ | |
| 03:59 | thd | kados: I think I found the answer |
| 03:59 | qiqo | brb i'll take a shower |
| 03:59 | thd | kados: "Trying again somewhat later went through flawlessly [not for me]. Might have been git running out of memory." |
| 04:00 | kados: I no longer have enough free RAM to update my git repository even in console mode | |
| 04:12 | qiqo | back.. |
| 04:19 | mygosh you a daemon killer... you're archangel lolz | |
| 04:30 | thd | apparently I did not kill enough daemons |
| 04:40 | git is working so far now hooray | |
| 04:41 | kados: do you have any spare RAM cards for me? | |
| 04:42 | qiqo | how much ram do you have thd? |
| 04:43 | thd | qiqo: 256 MB with many daemons running |
| 04:43 | git finally failed although at a much later point | |
| 04:44 | qiqo | ohh ok |
| 04:44 | ddr or ddr2? | |
| 04:45 | thd | qiqo: pre DDR SDRAM |
| 04:47 | qiqo: my money always goes to pay for non-computer necessities each month with nothing remaining to fix these little problems | |
| 04:48 | qiqo | awww.. |
| 04:48 | wish i could help you ther | |
| 04:48 | i have spare here, but shipping might have been a lot more expensive than buying a new one | |
| 04:48 | :) | |
| 04:50 | thd | qiqo: RAM is very cheap now but my landlord is very expensive :) |
| 04:52 | s/cheap now/cheap now compared to even 2 years ago/ | |
| 04:53 | qiqo | yeah |
| 04:54 | like ddr2 is a lot cheaper | |
| 04:54 | if could fit 4GB in my macbook id love to do that | |
| 04:54 | but im only limited with 2 | |
| 04:55 | hmm brb lunck | |
| 04:55 | hmm brb lunch |
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