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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 11:14 | lea | hi guys |
| 11:14 | lloyd: bnl just got back and yeah, £2K a year | |
| 11:15 | That's really steep for us. We just want to do a one-off batch convert, with the odd access now and again to update our catalogue when new books come in. | |
| 11:31 | lloyd | annoying isn't it |
| 11:33 | we're going to stage the back catelogue and stage weekly updates (dewey 610-620 only) and have access to the z39.50 server for importing books not in that dewey range | |
| 11:42 | lea | what's annoying is we'll only have max 100 new books a year |
| 11:42 | so that's at least £20 per marc21 record | |
| 11:42 | we can't do that | |
| 11:42 | so I'm looking at other options | |
| 11:43 | getting the inital bulk will be ok | |
| 11:43 | lloyd | you know when buying a book most suppliers will supply you with the marc21 record for around 50p |
| 11:43 | lea | really? |
| 11:43 | lloyd | yep |
| 11:43 | lea | but will that be inconsistant with the BNL ones? |
| 11:43 | lloyd | Well it's a full marc21 record, so no |
| 11:44 | lea | what worries me is that edition #1 of a book will have say, Equine, as a subject (from the bnl), and the publisher record for edition #2 will have, say "Horses" or something. |
| 11:44 | lloyd | I know for a fact tomlinsons and waterstones offer that service |
| 11:45 | lea | maybe i don't get how these things work |
| 11:45 | is the marc21 data created by the publisher? | |
| 11:45 | lloyd | I have no idea |
| 11:46 | lea | well, I guess it's easy to manually "normalise" the data after adding it |
| 11:46 | thanks for that. I'll go tell our librarian | |
| 11:46 | lloyd | np |
| 11:50 | lea | ok, you know when koha imports records |
| 11:50 | how does it deal with multiple copies? | |
| 11:50 | i seem to recall it used the imports to create the biblio | |
| 11:51 | meaning, just one "copy" | |
| 11:51 | reason i ask s that I'll be moving over 20K books and want to make sure i get the file format correct. | |
| 11:55 | lloyd | yes, that's correct |
| 11:58 | Morning paul | |
| 12:06 | lea | lol |
| 12:06 | so lloyd, how do you "retain" quanities? | |
| 12:07 | when migrating | |
| 12:36 | fbcit | g'morning koha |
| 12:53 | chris around? | |
| 12:53 | opps... guess not. | |
| 12:53 | kados ? | |
| 13:05 | lloyd | lea - well i'm getting the librarys to export there records in a csv. isbn/item type/class mark |
| 13:05 | then going to ask liblime to write me a script to import these items from the staging area | |
| 13:08 | all items not in staging area will be z39.50 lookup | |
| 13:08 | all items without isbn will be manually added | |
| 13:10 | thats my plan anyways | |
| 13:26 | lea | ok |
| 13:27 | i sure hope micro librarian have fixed their marc21 export | |
| 13:27 | they were exporting bad records, which i only knew because i had my head stuck in a marc21 spec for 3 days >.< | |
| 13:27 | managed to write a script to fix them but when my boss said in the summer he wasn't going down this route i deleted them.... | |
| 13:27 | :( | |
| 13:28 | ah brilliant. I had the nouce to upload the scripts to the koha wiki. forgot about that :) | |
| 13:40 | Fallor | hi again |
| 13:50 | kados | g'morning foxnorth |
| 13:56 | owen | Hi folks |
| 13:56 | kados | hey owen |
| 13:57 | owen++ | |
| 14:03 | Fallor | apache drives me crazy |
| 14:03 | all i get is forbidden | |
| 14:05 | why does it have to be so difficule :( | |
| 14:05 | lea | heh. it isn't :) |
| 14:05 | Fallor | difficult |
| 14:05 | it's terrible | |
| 14:05 | i've never quite understood it's logic | |
| 14:05 | and now this apache2 which is completely different from 1.3 | |
| 14:06 | lloyd | apache is great, but a little bloated |
| 14:07 | Fallor | it used to be enough if i just threw Include /etc/koha-httpd.conf to the end of httpd.conf |
| 14:07 | but now that doesn't seem to work | |
| 14:07 | and i have no idea what's wrong | |
| 14:26 | ok, it's changed | |
| 14:26 | no more forbidden | |
| 14:26 | but now i just see apache's testpage :D | |
| 14:27 | Then if I comment out DocumentRoot and <Directory> thingys from httpd.conf, it's forbidden again | |
| 14:28 | oh well... | |
| 14:32 | doesn't seem to be a permission-problem either | |
| 14:40 | no, i don't get this :( | |
| 14:40 | i give up | |
| 14:59 | kados | owen: the 'limit to currently avaialble items' link in th OPAC is linking to the staff client's filename |
| 15:01 | owen | Got it. Will be patched today. But I'm not sure the availability limit is working |
| 15:02 | http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]n&limit=available | |
| 15:16 | fbcit | g'morning folks |
| 15:17 | gmcharlt | hi fbcit |
| 15:24 | fbcit | gmcharlt: Makefile.PL breaks on win32 now... :( |
| 15:24 | gmcharlt | what's it doing? |
| 15:24 | fbcit | dmake returns an error when using the -x switch to export the env vars |
| 15:25 | I ran an older copy from the old installer branch and it works ok | |
| 15:25 | a diff of Makefiles generated by each did not turn up anything obvious | |
| 15:29 | run dmake w/o -x and things go ok except the env vars are incorrect. | |
| 15:36 | lea | lloyd, in your research for MARC21 record providers, did you find anywhere that'll do it for free for < 1500 records a year? |
| 15:37 | gmcharlt | fbcit: just got a report that it's not working on FreeBSD (though presumably for different reason) |
| 15:37 | fbcit: please send me the context diff between the versions of the Makefile (or perhaps file a bug and attach it there) | |
| 15:38 | fbcit | gmcharlt: I haven't kept up with the changes and did not have alot of time to look at it. |
| 15:38 | it'll be tonight as the win32 box is at home | |
| 15:38 | gmcharlt | ok, thanks |
| 15:54 | fbcit | kados ? |
| 15:58 | owen around? | |
| 15:58 | owen | Yes |
| 15:59 | fbcit | question regarding theme selection/fallback |
| 16:00 | should the user be able to set the order themes failover in or should it simply be alphabetical or... or... | |
| 16:00 | lloyd_ | lea : sorry no we didn't |
| 16:01 | fbcit | right now, the template only allows selection of a single theme based on a list generated by getallthemes |
| 16:01 | owen | Good question, fbcit... It seems like theme failover isn't something you really should be planning for, because if you're planning for anything it should be that you have a valid theme |
| 16:02 | Right now the failover scheme is to try the theme specified, and if that fails to try 'prog' ? | |
| 16:02 | fbcit | yes |
| 16:03 | but I understand that it is desired to walk through all available themes with prog being last | |
| 16:03 | owen | Who desires that? |
| 16:03 | fbcit | then there is the case when 'prog' is missing for some reason |
| 16:04 | I understood that from my discussions with chris | |
| 16:04 | seems that an earlier version of koha did this...? | |
| 16:05 | owen | I wonder if it's better to fail first to the default (prog), and then to any other. Reason being, prog, being the default, is most likely to be the best-maintained (and properly working) theme |
| 16:06 | In the past, extra themes have been contributed but not necessarily well-maintained | |
| 16:07 | ..and are we talking specifically about the opac, or both opac and staff client? | |
| 16:07 | fbcit | you mentioned in bug 1790 that if 'prog' is missing opac fails... |
| 16:08 | opac at present, I have not looked at staff yet | |
| 16:09 | ...so we at least need to gracefully handle a missing 'prog' and maybe forget rotating through all available themes ? | |
| 16:09 | owen | Yeah...but how do you give patrons a friendly 'missing template' error when you'd have to use a template to do so? |
| 16:10 | fbcit | maybe by redirecting them to the page that states opac is down for maintenance... or something similar :-) |
| 16:10 | owen | Sure, but where does that page come from? And if it's not in templates, how does it get translated? |
| 16:13 | Yeah, I agree | |
| 16:14 | fbcit | ok... so maybe this bug should be marked as a feature request and move off of major status? |
| 16:14 | lea | kados: are you there? |
| 16:16 | owen | fbcit, I'd just mark it as fixed. The bug is really about the theme switching not working. I don't think you can expect Koha to work if you delete required files |
| 16:54 | fbcit | owen: one further question... is template == language or theme? |
| 16:55 | owen | I don't understand the question |
| 16:55 | paul | fbcit: template is a set of tmpl file, specific to a given theme and language. |
| 16:56 | the language file being generated automatically from the english + translator tool | |
| 16:56 | does that sound more comprehensible ? | |
| 16:56 | fbcit | yes |
| 16:57 | so is there ever .../prog/fr/ or only ../prog/en ? | |
| 16:57 | paul | the developpers use prog/en |
| 16:57 | owen | fbcit, it depends on what translations the users create |
| 16:57 | paul | and the translator too generate prog/fr-FR and other languages when requested |
| 16:59 | fbcit | that helps, tnx paul, owen |
| 17:12 | hrmm.. @languages in themelanguage is never defined... afaics | |
| 17:39 | theme defaults to 'prog' when all else fails now.... | |
| 18:54 | lea | see ya. |
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| 22:10 | fbcit | gmcharlt: did you want a unified or context diff on makefile? |
| 22:11 | gmcharlt | fbcit: context, please |
| 22:18 | fbcit | gmcharlt: being slightly >1M this will take a century over dialup, but its dripping up now. |
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