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| 13:13 | frederic | Hi |
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| 13:27 | hdl | kados ? |
| 14:01 | kados | hi hdl |
| 14:09 | paul | hi kados |
| 14:12 | kados | hiya paul |
| 14:14 | paul | (in fact, I think my train ticket has been stolen, but that's another story...) |
| 14:15 | kados | :( |
| 14:15 | no heat in the house and it's quite cold in Ohio atm :-) | |
| 14:16 | paul | (does it mean some fever or the heat in your appartment ?) |
| 14:16 | woops... | |
| 14:16 | kados | (no heat in my apartment) |
| 14:16 | :-) | |
| 14:16 | paul | and hdl feces some problems to come to code4lib (as you may have seen on ggl groups) |
| 14:16 | kados | about 7 degrees Celsius |
| 14:16 | yes, I saw that | |
| 14:17 | paul | +7° ? outside or IN your home ? |
| 14:17 | kados | hhe, outside |
| 14:20 | paul | git is quite calm since 1 week. does it means things are stabilized, or there are zillions of patches waiting impatiently for your approval ? |
| 14:23 | kados | paul: no patches waiting, excelt a couple |
| 14:23 | paul: i think it's because people are on holiday :-) | |
| 14:23 | paul | (including some from me ;-) ) |
| 14:23 | are there holidays in US now ? | |
| 14:24 | kados | today is MLK day |
| 14:24 | paul | MLK ? |
| 14:24 | Milk ? | |
| 14:24 | kados | Martin Luther King |
| 14:25 | civil rights leader | |
| 14:26 | I'm sure :-) | |
| 14:43 | gmcharlt | greetings #koha |
| 15:04 | paul: about? | |
| 15:04 | paul | yep |
| 15:04 | hello gmcharlt | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | hi paul -- how are you doing? |
| 15:04 | paul | (will leave in something like 1 hour) |
| 15:04 | not that fine today... | |
| 15:04 | gmcharlt | quick question about the 995 and SUDOC recommendations |
| 15:05 | (shouldn't be too bad :) )in both scenarios, exactly one field is used for each item | |
| 15:05 | i.e., you don't have the data for one item split over two tags, correct? | |
| 15:06 | paul | yes, correct (although SUDOC can handle that, librarians using it all says that they never need so many informations) |
| 15:06 | (I mean : SUDOC can have items information splitted in 930, 917 and some other fields I don't remember atm) | |
| 15:07 | (915,917,919,930,931,932,955,956,957,958,980,985,990,991,992,997,999 !!! | |
| 15:08 | (ha had the paper just near me. don't ask me to give to you, it's not publicly accessible, which is really ridiculous...) | |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | paul: OK, thanks |
| 15:08 | and yikes! re SUDOC | |
| 15:08 | paul | (I only have a print made from a place that can look at it) |
| 15:08 | gmcharlt | non_electronically_accessible_standards-- |
| 15:08 | paul | note that they are really cutting hairs in 10 or more, as we have : |
| 15:08 | - call number | |
| 15:08 | - local cll number | |
| 15:08 | - previous call number | |
| 15:09 | - future call number | |
| 15:09 | gmcharlt | pluferfect call number? |
| 15:10 | paul | pluferfect ??? |
| 15:10 | gmcharlt | or should I say plus que parfait call number? |
| 15:10 | paul | lol |
| 15:32 | frederic | Kados? gmcharlt? |
| 15:32 | gmcharlt | hi frederic |
| 15:33 | frederic | You (kados) said yesterday that some improvements to autorities were to be expected in the 1st February beta release. |
| 15:33 | Will it include a better handling of autority/biblio synchronization? | |
| 15:33 | Lets explain... | |
| 15:33 | gmcharlt | frederic: that's one of my goals |
| 15:34 | frederic | When you add a biblio record in koha with the web interface (addbiblio.pl), biblio fields linked with thesaurus are used to add/update authorities if there is syspref BiblioAddsAuthorities. A function do that: BiblioAddAuthorities. |
| 15:34 | But when you add a biblio record programmaticaly (bulkmarcimport.pl or a specific program), authorities aren't updated. | |
| 15:34 | Wouldn't it have sense to move this function (BiblioAddAuthorities) from addbiblio.pl to Biblio.pm? | |
| 15:34 | gmcharlt | frederic: yes, i agree that this needs to be moved to C4 instead of addbiblio.pl |
| 15:35 | frederic | I don't understand well Koha architecture... So... |
| 15:35 | gmcharlt | also, that batch jobs need to treat authority handling the same way as adding a bib from the web interface |
| 15:58 | matthew | Hello. I've got a database dump error I have a question about. |
| 15:58 | mysqldump: Got error: 1016: Can't open file: 'marc_subfield_table.MYI' (errno: 145) when using LOCK TABLES | |
| 16:00 | I've researched error 1016 and it seems as if I can delete the corresponding .frm file (/var/lib/mysql/Koha/marc_subfield_table.frm) to fix the problem. Does anyone have experience with an issue like this? | |
| 16:21 | I backup up the file by moving it to another location. I then ran msqyl dump again and it seems to work. The funny thing is that the dump is much smaller than previous dumps. I hope I'm getting all my information. | |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt | hdl: about? |
| 16:44 | hdl | yes |
| 16:44 | hi galen | |
| 16:44 | gmcharlt | hi henri |
| 16:44 | about to finish up work on items and send through your patches | |
| 16:45 | had a question about the last one you sent, adding an eval to _add_unlinked_marc_fields | |
| 16:45 | under what conditions did the add_subfields call fail? | |
| 16:49 | fbcit | g'morning koha |
| 16:49 | gmcharlt | hi fbcit |
| 16:49 | fbcit | where do I setup Patron types (as opposed to categories)? |
| 16:50 | I would think under "Patron types and categories", but I seem to be missing it. | |
| 16:50 | gmcharlt | fbcit: patron category == patron type |
| 16:50 | kados | fbcit: types are hard-coded in Koha 3.0 |
| 16:50 | gmcharlt: not quite :-) | |
| 16:51 | fbcit | hrmmm... |
| 16:51 | kados | types = Adult, Child, Professional, Organization |
| 16:51 | fbcit | I saw sample types |
| 16:51 | kados | then categories can be built off of those types |
| 16:51 | fbcit | so just another db field? |
| 16:51 | kados | fbcit: sample types? I think you mean sample categories |
| 16:51 | fbcit | maybe so... |
| 16:51 | gmcharlt | kados: what most systems refer to as type is category in Koha, I should have said |
| 16:51 | fbcit | kados: so I can just edit the db directly to adjust types? |
| 16:52 | gmcharlt | also, editor for patron category refers to a "category type", not a "patron type" |
| 16:52 | kados | yea, so you can have, say, 25 patron categories of type 'Adult' |
| 16:52 | Student, Patron, Homebound, etc. | |
| 16:53 | oh, maybe the label is wrong in the patron editor | |
| 16:53 | gmcharlt | personally, I'd prefer fully spelled-out "patron category type" rather than plain "patron type" |
| 16:53 | hdl | gmcharlt: it failed whe ppl tried to add void item. |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | hdl: thanks -- and how would a void item be attempted -- in serials receiving? |
| 16:54 | fbcit | kados: so category type == patron type? |
| 16:54 | and patron == category? | |
| 16:55 | kados | fbcit: I think I understand what you mean, and yes :-) |
| 16:55 | there's no such thing as a 'category type' in Koha | |
| 16:55 | hdl | gmcharlt: yes. I found that the old bug I fixed came up again. |
| 16:55 | kados | there are 'types' and 'categories' |
| 16:55 | hdl | gmcharlt: I have to fix it. |
| 16:55 | gmcharlt | kados: then language in edit category page needs to be changed |
| 16:55 | kados | types are hard-coded: Adult, Child, Proffessional, Organization, and Staff |
| 16:55 | and you can build out Categories from there | |
| 16:56 | hdl | bbs |
| 16:56 | kados | so you can have a Category called 'Homebound' which is of type 'adult' |
| 16:56 | and another called 'Under 12' which is of type 'Child' (and child accounts have guarantors) | |
| 16:56 | fbcit | k, so types are the LCD? |
| 16:56 | kados | yea |
| 16:57 | so a label for 'Category type:' shoud probably be re-named as 'Type:' | |
| 16:57 | I assume it lists the five hard-coded types? | |
| 16:57 | fbcit | yup |
| 16:57 | kados | yea, so it's miss-labeled |
| 16:58 | should just be 'Type' | |
| 16:58 | someone recently said they wanted to be able to customize the 'Types' | |
| 16:58 | fbcit | I remembered that discussion. |
| 16:58 | kados | so maybe that will be in 3.2 or a future version |
| 16:58 | fbcit | shouldn't be too hard. |
| 16:58 | kados | *nod* |
| 16:58 | hehe | |
| 17:00 | fbcit | kados: so "types" also show up as "Patron types/categories" in the New Patron section....? |
| 17:01 | or rather... | |
| 17:01 | I can have patrons that are members of a type as opposed to a category? | |
| 17:02 | kados | ? |
| 17:02 | no, you can only have patrons that are members of a category | |
| 17:02 | but the categories are grouped by type :-) | |
| 17:02 | fbcit | kados: with no categories built... |
| 17:02 | I go to add a patron.... | |
| 17:02 | kados | I think you have to add a category |
| 17:03 | fbcit | and the "New" button displays the five types as options. |
| 17:03 | kados | yea, but I don't think you can choose them |
| 17:03 | fbcit | :) |
| 17:03 | kados | try it :-) |
| 17:04 | interesting | |
| 17:04 | fbcit | seems a restraint is missing? |
| 17:04 | kados | well, that's a bug, I don't think you should be able to assign a raw type to a patron, you should be forced to first defined some categories |
| 17:04 | fbcit | I agree based on what I have learned in the past 5 min. |
| 17:04 | kados | chris cormack is our resident circ and patrons expert, so he'd be the one to ask |
| 17:05 | fbcit | How about I open a bug on it and he can close it if it is by design? |
| 17:05 | kados | sounds good |
| 19:39 | fbcit | kados: so what other logic is based on patron 'type' other than 'category'? |
| 19:41 | gmcharlt ? | |
| 19:42 | gmcharlt | fbcit: it's all tied to patron categories |
| 19:42 | but functionally, type 'S' is for staff (user) records | |
| 19:42 | 'C' for child implies an 'A' adult as a guarantor | |
| 19:43 | and no doubt other implications | |
| 19:43 | chris is now around to ask as well | |
| 19:43 | atz | there are age limits |
| 19:44 | different circ and fine structure, enrollment fees, etc. | |
| 19:44 | fbcit | I'm just wondering what I'll have to contend with if I work toward making 'type' user-definable... |
| 19:45 | chris | id leave that for 3.2 |
| 19:45 | atz | it breaks everything, imho |
| 19:45 | fbcit | :-( |
| 19:45 | chris | i didnt do the type things, not im not quite sure |
| 19:45 | atz | for example, we have a script that used to work... promote juvenile members to adults |
| 19:45 | check if they juveniles are 18, if so, convert them to adults | |
| 19:46 | but it gets messed up with all the other stuff | |
| 19:46 | gmcharlt | yeah, for user-definiability, patron_types table would have to have columns for behavior, like patron_types.needs_guarantor, patron_types.can_be_staff_user, etc. |
| 19:46 | at least as one approach | |
| 19:46 | chris | but from my bugfixing i have done, im fairly sure it would be quite a bit of effort to change, and unlikely to get accepted for 3.0 |
| 19:46 | fbcit | that's the info I was looking for... I'm sufficiently scared off now... ;-) |
| 19:46 | atz | patron_types.can_be_promoted_to = @{....}; |
| 19:47 | patron_types.must_be_promoted_to = $...; | |
| 19:47 | patron_types.new_enrollment_fee_applies_for =@{...} | |
| 19:48 | it seems like an easy thing, right? | |
| 19:48 | all the kids who aren't kids yet, make'm adult users. | |
| 19:48 | fbcit | hehe |
| 19:48 | atz | *anymore (not yet) |
| 19:48 | fbcit | how about the adults who are not adults yet... |
| 19:49 | atz | don't give'm cards :) |
| 09:07 | custard | hiho. If Koha 3.0 is running on MacOS, do the z39.50 lookups work? |
| 09:08 | chris | yes |
| 09:08 | assuming your mac isnt behind a firewall blocking them that is :) | |
| 09:08 | custard | have to find that one out. |
| 09:09 | chris | you can try from the commandline with yaz |
| 09:09 | if that works, then from koha should too | |
| 09:09 | custard | Was looking at it for a rather large and diverse home collection, and really wasn't looking forward to entering it all in by hand. |
| 09:09 | chris | chances are it will work fine |
| 09:21 | lloyd_ | hey chris, you go a mo? |
| 09:22 | chris | yep |
| 09:23 | lloyd_ | staged an import, searched for it in cataloguing, added biblio... but not coming up in search? |
| 09:23 | chris | ahh i may have forgotten to start the reindexing daemon |
| 09:23 | 2 secs | |
| 09:24 | lloyd_ | ah ha |
| 09:26 | chris | hows that now? |
| 09:26 | custard | I read that there's some things that are being replaced in 3.0? Is there much variation in the dependencies and install process? |
| 09:26 | lloyd_ | perfect! |
| 09:27 | chris | /etc/init.d/koha-zebraqueue-daemon restart |
| 09:27 | is what i did | |
| 09:27 | lloyd_ | cool, didnt know it was stopped hehe |
| 09:27 | chris | yeah i stopped it to reindex manually to clear out the deleted records (faster than letting the queue do it one by one) but didnt restart |
| 09:28 | custard: the install for 3 is much nicer than for 2.2 | |
| 09:29 | the INSTALL file should explain it all | |
| 09:29 | i know of at least 3 people who have it running on OS X | |
| 09:30 | lloyd_ | when in the cataloguing menu and you search, then click add.. any way to stop people from editing that page and going directly to the one after (when you click save) |
| 09:30 | chris | so that they cant change what they are adding? |
| 09:30 | custard | Righto. Thanks :) |
| 09:30 | lloyd_ | exactly |
| 09:31 | chris | currently no |
| 09:31 | lloyd_ | they'll be able to add new items, but not change what they're adding |
| 09:32 | I guess that wouldnt work so well.. if they added an item chances are they'll want to edit it at some stage | |
| 09:32 | chris | *nod* |
| 09:32 | lloyd_ | but we don't want them changing paid for marc records |
| 09:32 | chris | currently if you can add you can edit |
| 09:33 | sounds like a tech solution for a human problem :-) | |
| 09:33 | but thats often the way | |
| 09:33 | lloyd_ | you got it :) |
| 09:33 | chris | life would be so much easier if you could trust users :-) |
| 09:34 | we could do something with permissions | |
| 09:34 | split them | |
| 09:34 | lloyd_ | 28 branches, all independent... trusting would be unwise |
| 09:34 | chris | to allow for editing items, but not editing records |
| 09:35 | so you could add or edit an item, but not change the marc record .. ... but i guess its only some records | |
| 09:35 | lloyd_ | yeah that would be great for all the items that have been imported |
| 09:37 | say they added a record that wasn't in the pool. then added the item, what would they be able to change in the item? | |
| 09:38 | chris | hmm anything at the item level |
| 09:38 | classification, branch, barcode etc | |
| 09:39 | lloyd_ | and if they spooned it when adding, they would need to add it again and request the other record be deleted by the super librarian? |
| 09:39 | chris | yep |
| 09:40 | or anyone who had record editing privs | |
| 09:40 | lloyd_ | what if 1 month later we get a proper marc record for it. Easy to replace the made up record with the proper marc record? |
| 09:45 | chris | with the new cataloguing tool, biblios (which was worked on over the google summer of code) and is nearing completion yet |
| 09:45 | yet=yep | |
| 10:05 | lloyd_ | great. in for 3.0 final? |
| 10:10 | hdl | chris ? |
| 10:11 | Your work for merging biblios will be integrated into 3.X ? | |
| 10:31 | lloyd_ | he's gone to bed now |
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