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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 14:01 | owen | paul? |
| 14:25 | paul | hi owen |
| 14:25 | owen | Hi paul, I had a question about your RSS bug |
| 14:25 | I found the markup that got taken out | |
| 14:26 | It's wrapped in TMPL_IF "RSS"... Is that a system pref? | |
| 14:26 | paul | no, iirc |
| 14:33 | owen | ? |
| 14:33 | And where does <!-- TMPL_VAR name="site_url"--> come from? | |
| 14:36 | paul | (and i'm the author of that, so I should, sorry) |
| 14:36 | owen | Shall I reassign the bug to you? |
| 14:38 | paul | it used to work, so someone should have removed something. but assign it to me, i'll investigate when I have some time. Note that "opensearch" pb is not for me |
| 14:39 | owen | the opensearch stuff I copied from dev_week, thinking it was coming along with other fixes coming over from dev_week. |
| 14:39 | It's easily removed if opac-rss.pl provides the same functionality | |
| 14:44 | paul | owen, does opac work for you atm ? |
| 14:45 | (because it does not work for me, on an uptodate opac setup) | |
| 14:45 | http://o16.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]koha/opac-main.pl (search "histoire") | |
| 14:45 | while the staff works fine | |
| 14:46 | owen | Yeah, except for a problem with the layout of the advanced search page, everything seems to be working okay for me. I'm not getting the error that you are. |
| 14:47 | paul | mmm... there's something wrong with the translator... |
| 14:48 | owen | Could that be what's causing the problem with the layout? Looks much different from mine: http://oleonard.dev.kohalibrar[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 14:49 | paul | i've switched to english, and the look is the same |
| 14:50 | owen | Really? It fixes it for me, on your site |
| 14:51 | paul | i mean same as you. |
| 14:51 | but still impossible to search :-( | |
| 15:02 | fbcit | g'morning koha |
| 15:02 | paul | hi fbcit |
| 15:18 | owen : strange, OPAC works for 2 of my 3 setups, but not for o16... | |
| 15:18 | (works fine for o11 and o15) | |
| 15:24 | hdl | paul : have you checked that your QueryStemming QueryFuzzy and other is disable ? |
| 15:24 | (32 enables it by default.) | |
| 15:24 | paul | yep, the search works for staff |
| 15:25 | it does not work only for opac | |
| 15:25 | I get the following query in zebra : | |
| 15:25 | 16:23:50-29/11 zebrasrv(20) [request] Search biblios ERROR 114 1 1+0 RPN @attrset Bib-1 @not chaos @or @and @and @and lost st-numeric gt 0 @not @attr "1=_ALLRECORDS" @attr 2=103 '' @attr 1=8002 @attr 2=103 '' | |
| 15:35 | hdl | lost st-numeric gt 0 |
| 15:35 | set off hide lostitems. | |
| 15:35 | paul | |
| 15:36 | it should work. | |
| 15:36 | paul | it's already off, sorry |
| 15:37 | hdl | then... you should NOT have lost st-numeric gt 0 |
| 15:37 | I already bugged kados about that. | |
| 15:38 | I set it on then back off and | |
| 15:38 | search happend to work. | |
| 15:39 | paul | gotcha !!! |
| 15:39 | it works !!! | |
| 15:59 | fbcit | can someone provide me with a concise set of symlinks that need to be created to run koha from my clone (aka dev install)? |
| 16:00 | owen | Line 342 of circulation.pl: |
| 16:00 | if ($getiteminfo->{'holdingbranch'} ne $num_res->{'branchcode'} ) { | |
| 16:00 | $getWaitingReserveInfo{waitingat} = GetBranchName( $num_res->{'branchcode'} ); | |
| 16:00 | } | |
| 16:01 | That's supposed to show the location of the item if the item is not waiting at the branch where the librarian is logged in? | |
| 16:11 | If only dewey were here, he'd know | |
| 16:19 | fbcit | owen: any thoughts on why when I go to change marc framework under "Add MARC Record" the resulting form has no fields? |
| 16:19 | am I missing a setting somewhere? | |
| 16:20 | owen | fbcit: from addbiblip.pl? |
| 16:20 | sorry: addbiblio.pl? | |
| 16:20 | fbcit | that's it |
| 16:21 | owen | Do you have "Default" in the framework drop-down? |
| 16:21 | fbcit | Default displays ok, the sample frameworks do not. |
| 16:22 | owen | So you know you have more than just the default framework, but they're not showing up? |
| 16:22 | fbcit | I have dropped the db and reinstalled it twice now with the same effects.. |
| 16:22 | right | |
| 16:24 | the drop-down shows all 8 sample frameworks as available... | |
| 16:24 | owen | Ah, but when you choose one, the page reloads as empty? |
| 16:24 | fbcit | exactly |
| 16:26 | owen | Sorry, no clue. But then again, the only framework I have is the default one. |
| 16:30 | fbcit | :-( |
| 16:31 | ryan | fbcit: fbcit works ok for me |
| 16:32 | must have been an error in adding the framework data | |
| 16:32 | fbcit | ryan: it worked for me yesterday too, but then I dropped the db and reinstalled and you know the rest... |
| 16:34 | owen | fbcit, did your install come with 8 sample frameworks? |
| 16:35 | fbcit | owen: yes. they are in installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql I believe.... |
| 16:37 | hrm... probably unrelated, but "circulation.pl: Warning: something's wrong at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/kohaclone1/circ/circulation.pl line 199." | |
| 16:39 | it looks like the sample frameworks loaded ok. | |
| 16:47 | ryan | owen: i do get a wacky flash of multicolored lines behind the 'loading' box |
| 16:49 | owen | Is it the graphic? |
| 16:52 | ryan | related, anyway. |
| 16:52 | might just be css issue | |
| 16:52 | i'll file a bug if it persists | |
| 16:52 | paul | ok, problem solved for me : I can search on opac and the behaviour is the same in french and in english ! |
| 16:53 | was tricky... | |
| 16:53 | ryan | fbcit: must be problem with installer. |
| 16:55 | fbcit: you can manually apply installer/data/mysql/en/marcflavour/marc21/optional/marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql | |
| 16:56 | fbcit | I don't think that's it as when I do the import manually, mysql complains about dup keys |
| 16:56 | and bails out | |
| 16:56 | so it would appear the data is already loaded... | |
| 16:57 | ryan | and /cgi-bin/koha/admin/biblio_framework.pl |
| 16:57 | what do you see frm 'MARC Structure' links there ? | |
| 16:59 | fbcit | Create framework for SR (Audio Cassettes, CDs) using Default... |
| 16:59 | with no other options in the drop-down | |
| 16:59 | ? | |
| 17:20 | ryan: you were right... the framework data did not fully load for some reason... | |
| 17:21 | I'll take a look at install.pl... | |
| 17:21 | tnx ryan, owen | |
| 17:24 | ryan | fbcit: there's quite a bit of work being done on installer right now, with a bunch of patches in the queue |
| 17:33 | owen | ryan and/or atz: have we got the date-picker widget working properly with the dateformat system pref? |
| 17:33 | atz | yes |
| 17:33 | owen | I get errors from the ones on memberentry.pl, and the format is wrong for the one on circulation.pl |
| 17:33 | atz | but not every script uses it yet |
| 17:33 | owen | It's a script issue? |
| 17:34 | atz | if you see "use C4::Date" |
| 17:34 | instead of "use C4::Dates" | |
| 17:34 | then it is still the "old style" | |
| 17:34 | somewhere my patches of C4 modules were reverted recently too | |
| 17:35 | so basically, the module is fine but the integration is lacking | |
| 17:36 | that's on my plate after I polish up my LDAP integration | |
| 17:36 | owen | Forgive the Perl-ignorant question, but what does C4:Dates do compared to Date::Calc? |
| 17:37 | atz | Calc allows you to say "how many days between X and Y dates" |
| 17:37 | C4::Dates just provides the format-independent and syspref-aware date storage | |
| 17:37 | it doesn't do computation | |
| 17:38 | owen | gotcha |
| 17:39 | So atz, you'll be doing a systematic look at date-handling in scripts, so I shouldn't file bugs for date problems? | |
| 17:39 | atz | if it is still using C4:Date, then you don't need to bother |
| 17:40 | but if it is Dates, then please do | |
| 17:40 | owen | Okay |
| 17:40 | ryan | owen: circulation.pl should be correct. |
| 17:41 | atz | there are likely to be some snags w/ different javascript validation functions that are not in the same pattern of usage |
| 17:41 | owen | ryan, I'm getting iso format dates from the date picker even though my sys pref says US |
| 17:42 | ryan | ah, i see. |
| 17:42 | i'll update that. | |
| 17:42 | atz | i think that was a patch from paul recently |
| 17:42 | moving the default from "if object declared in a format, then remember the format" to "forget declared format, default to syspref" | |
| 17:43 | which I can see now fits our application better | |
| 17:44 | ryan | so DHTMLformat => C4::Dates->DHTMLcalendar(), |
| 17:46 | seems to return wrong format now. | |
| 17:46 | atz | ? |
| 17:46 | ryan | should return syspref fmt , right ? |
| 17:46 | not iso ? | |
| 17:48 | atz | sub DHTMLcalendar ($;$) { # interface to posix_map |
| 17:48 | my $class = shift; | |
| 17:48 | my $format = (@_) ? shift : $prefformat; | |
| 17:48 | return $posix_map{$format}; | |
| 17:48 | } | |
| 17:49 | not much to it. | |
| 17:49 | ryan | i'm not seeing the problem. |
| 17:49 | atz | me either. |
| 17:50 | lol | |
| 17:50 | nice. | |
| 17:51 | ryan | huh |
| 17:51 | ok, owen's right | |
| 17:51 | atz | if you had iso syspref... you get iso |
| 17:53 | try this: perl -MC4::Dates -e 'print C4::Dates->DHTMLcalendar, "\n";' | |
| 17:54 | perl -MC4::Dates -e 'print C4::Dates->new->format(), "\n";' | |
| 17:59 | rch: i have a high degree of certainty those tests will produce correct results | |
| 18:00 | ryan | yeah - is template bug. |
| 18:00 | my fault | |
| 18:02 | atz | i get some updatedabase errors |
| 18:02 | updatedatabase.pl: DBD::mysql::db do failed: Duplicate column name 'damaged' at /home/atz/koha/production/intranet/cgi-bin/installer/data/mysql/updatedatabase.pl line 561. | |
| 18:05 | also duplicates: column name 'itype' (line 584), entries 'QueryStemming','QueryFuzzy','QueryWeightFields' for key 1 (lines 711-713) | |
| 18:05 | ryan | np there |
| 18:05 | atz | i assume this is fine, since it's just dups |
| 18:05 | ryan | yep |
| 19:13 | fbcit | uhoh... |
| 19:14 | when attempting to add a marc record retrieved from loc.gov, I get the following: | |
| 19:14 | Can't coerce array into hash at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/kohaclone1/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 690. | |
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| 20:03 | fbcit | hi chris |
| 20:04 | chris | hi |
| 20:06 | fbcit | chris: what is the relationship between authorities and marc records? |
| 20:08 | chris | ahhh thats a librarian question :) basically from what ive gathered, you have authority records to stop you having 28 slightly different spellings of an authors name |
| 20:08 | or subjects | |
| 20:09 | fbcit | I'm trying to figure out why things break when I go to save a marc record imported from loc.gov... |
| 20:10 | owen-away | Did you get an error when you tried that? |
| 20:10 | chris | http://authorities.loc.gov/help/auth-faq.htm#1 |
| 20:10 | fbcit | yes |
| 20:10 | Can't coerce array into hash at /usr/lib/cgi-bin/kohaclone1/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl line 690. | |
| 20:10 | owen | I got an error yesterday when I tried to save something that I grabbed via z3950. |
| 20:10 | fbcit | looks like there is no authority record.... |
| 20:10 | owen | But then the next time I tried something it worked okay. |
| 20:11 | fbcit | and the 'else' breaks |
| 20:11 | do I have to create authorities for each 'foo'... whatever 'foo' is? | |
| 20:11 | owen | I don't understand--why do you think it's related to authority records? |
| 20:12 | chris | no you shouldnt have to |
| 20:12 | fbcit | owen: only because it breaks in the section of code which looks like it builds an authority record when none exists.... |
| 20:16 | gmcharlt | fbcit: this is code that is automatically trying to create authority records for each bib heading |
| 20:17 | if this is blocking something else you're pursuing, you can turn off the BibloAddsAuthorities preference | |
| 20:17 | to disable this | |
| 20:18 | fbcit | gmcharlt: I'm actually trying to get a copy into production here. Is turning it off a "safe" option? |
| 20:18 | owen | gmcharlt: Koha now creates authority records every time a record is saved? |
| 20:18 | gmcharlt | yes -- automatically creating authorities is not something every library will want turned on |
| 20:18 | chris | ohh how cool |
| 20:19 | fbcit | should it work ok? |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | fbcit: yes, it should |
| 20:19 | fbcit | bugzilla? |
| 20:19 | gmcharlt | yeah, go ahead and file a bug |
| 20:20 | it may be a configuration issue -- either missing framework or setting up Zebra authority index | |
| 20:20 | but if it is just config, probably indicates install doc bug | |
| 20:20 | chris | i suspect youd get a bunch of duplicates ... but for places like NZ .. where the national library charges an arm and a leg for authority records |
| 20:21 | a lot of libraries will like it | |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | main issue I have it with is that it happens completely silently to the cataloger at the moment |
| 20:21 | aklibrarian | As a librarian, I would like it if it asked my approval before adding it. |
| 20:21 | gmcharlt | cataloger should have an option to review the new records first |
| 20:21 | aklibrarian | gm, I agree with you |
| 20:21 | chris | ahhh yep good point |
| 20:22 | fbcit | so authority records basically help enforce rules? |
| 20:22 | data entry rules? | |
| 20:22 | for marc records? | |
| 20:23 | gmcharlt | fbcit: that's a part of it |
| 20:23 | here's authority records in a nutshell: | |
| 20:23 | 1. create unique entry for each name or subject heading | |
| 20:23 | 2. related different forms of names (e.g., think of Shakespeare's name in every language his plays were published in) | |
| 20:24 | 3. link subjects -- i.e., urology is a part of medicine; or if you're interested in cars, see automobiles | |
| 20:25 | 4. link variant forms of titles for the same work -- e.g., "War and Piece" is the English name of whatever the Russian title is | |
| 20:25 | War and Peace, rather | |
| 20:25 | 5. (and in a way, this is the least important function) catch typos when entering access headings | |
| 20:25 | here endeth the nutshell | |
| 20:25 | chris | :) |
| 20:26 | fbcit | gmcharlt: so authorities can be added after the fact? |
| 20:26 | gmcharlt | often |
| 20:26 | e.g., if you're cataloging the first book by an author, no authority exists yet, so you can create one for that person | |
| 20:27 | owen | fbcit: In the U.S. libraries are probably most accustomed to buying their authority records from someone else, rather than creating them from scratch |
| 20:27 | gmcharlt | national libraries and library collectivies like LC, OCLC, NLA, NLNZ, etc maintain big authority files |
| 20:27 | owen | I think in France the records are free to Frech libraries |
| 20:27 | gmcharlt | so yeah, as owen said, most catalogers try to look up and get a valid authority record before creating one from scratch |
| 20:27 | fbcit | I notice that loc.gov has auth records for free |
| 20:28 | gmcharlt | yep, but at present not in the most convenient fashion to actually get at |
| 20:28 | so people often end up paying OCLC or so-called authority control vendors for the records | |
| 20:29 | the authority control vendors can also analyze a library's bib file, determine which authorities fit, and supply the authorities in a MARC file | |
| 20:29 | authority control vendors can also correct outdated forms of various headings | |
| 20:30 | owen | Someone's gotta add a year to all the recently-dead authors... |
| 20:30 | fbcit | :-) |
| 20:30 | gmcharlt | and you'd be amazed about the long and bitter debates about author death dates in name authority records |
| 20:31 | owen | Wow, I can think of better things to do with my time! |
| 20:31 | fbcit | so really I should: 1. turn off the BibloAddsAuthorities && |
| 20:32 | 2. Get some accurate auth records | |
| 20:32 | aklibrarian | I don't know anyone that has enough time to worry about death dates. |
| 20:32 | fbcit | 3. Add marc records...? |
| 20:32 | owen | fbcit, there's no reason why you /need/ authority records |
| 20:35 | gmcharlt | right -- MARC 21 authority support is in fact in need of tweaking atm |
| 20:35 | fbcit | do authority records assist in patron searches as well? |
| 20:35 | owen | One benefit of having authority records is that the patron can browse by authority in the OPAC |
| 20:36 | I'm not sure how Koha does it, but other systems use authority records to provide feedback to the patron about "see also" references | |
| 20:36 | fbcit | ok, so I think I'll proceed w/o them for the time being. |
| 20:37 | tnx everyone for the MARC 21 Authorities 101 class... :-) | |
| 20:39 | aklibrarian | I don't think they help that much Either that or I haven't taught my patrons enough about their use. |
| 20:39 | owen | aklibrarian: With Koha, or another system? |
| 20:42 | aklibrarian | Any system |
| 20:42 | Koha will the third I have used. | |
| 20:43 | I don't know if any of my patrons use it as much as they should, but I am trying this year. | |
| 20:43 | This is the first year we will have interlibrary loan between branches. | |
| 20:44 | masonj | morning #koha |
| 20:44 | fbcit | hi masonj |
| 20:46 | aklibrarian | I love being at my desk. I am trying to install Koha on Ubuntu this morning. It is much easier to do from your own desk and not in a different village. |
| 20:47 | masonj | hiya back fbcit |
| 20:48 | fbcit | one other librarian type question.... |
| 20:49 | when importing a marc record, does one modify the dewey decimal classification number to match the local copy? | |
| 20:51 | aklibrarian | I change it |
| 20:51 | The local copy gets it from 082 | |
| 20:52 | fbcit | tnx aklibrarian |
| 21:11 | owen | chris? |
| 21:12 | chris | yep |
| 21:12 | owen | do you have ReservesNeedReturns turned on in sys prefs? |
| 21:12 | chris | lemme check |
| 21:13 | ahh that'll be it | |
| 21:13 | its off | |
| 21:14 | owen | Off for me too |
| 21:14 | chris | hmm then maybe not |
| 21:14 | weird | |
| 21:14 | ill turn it on and retest | |
| 21:17 | ok reserved it to be picked up at southwest bend | |
| 21:17 | gonna return it to main | |
| 21:18 | i get hold found | |
| 21:18 | and a button to confirm and transfer | |
| 21:18 | clicked that | |
| 21:18 | now im gonna go return it at southwest bend | |
| 21:19 | hold found (item is already waiting) | |
| 21:19 | seems to be working fine | |
| 21:19 | hmm do you have independentbranches on? | |
| 21:20 | owen | Dang, working for me now too. I wonder if I've got the steps wrong |
| 21:20 | Or maybe I'm just crazy | |
| 21:20 | chris | heh |
| 21:21 | owen | Are you seeing the "hold waiting" message on the circ screen of the patron you reserved for? |
| 21:21 | chris | havent looked, ill go check |
| 21:21 | yep there it is | |
| 21:23 | owen | Right there on the screen, rather than down in the "holds" tab? |
| 21:24 | chris | its in both places |
| 21:24 | on the right, and in the holds tab | |
| 21:24 | owen | I'm not seeing the message on the right for my patron. Does that patron have other messages? |
| 21:24 | chris | yep, overdue and fines |
| 21:25 | that might be the issue a misplaced tmpl_if maybe | |
| 21:25 | owen | There must be a bug in the template for those with no other messages. I'll have to check it out tomorrow |
| 21:25 | Thanks for your help chris | |
| 21:25 | chris | no worrie |
| 21:25 | s | |
| 23:31 | aklibrarian | Chris, I am back to installing Koha. I am trying to Open Hints and I can't do it. It tells me permission denied. Any ideas? I am using Ubuntu |
| 23:31 | chris | open hints? |
| 23:32 | aklibrarian | I tried that and i get permission denied. Unable to open vt 7 |
| 23:32 | chris | i meant what is open hints? im unsure what you are trying to do |
| 23:34 | aklibrarian | Hints is one of the files in the program |
| 23:34 | I want to open it before I go on to see how it could help me, I seem to need a lot of help. | |
| 23:35 | chris | ahh im fairly sure nothing in there will be helpful, let me just check |
| 23:37 | nope thats old and out of date | |
| 23:37 | aklibrarian | lol, I have been trying to open it for an hour now. |
| 23:38 | chris | you have the installing koha on ubuntu webpage eh ... thats about the best resource there is for getting 2.2.9 going on ubuntu |
| 23:39 | basically you have to get all the software koha depends on, like mysql, and apache and the perl modules installed, then as root run perl installer.pl | |
| 23:41 | aklibrarian | That worked. Thanksz |
| 23:49 | I found that I only thought I had all the prerequisistes done for this. | |
| 01:10 | Is YAZ 2.1.8 earlier than 2.1.5 I am getting an installation error for this. | |
| 01:11 | masonj_ | hmm, its a later version. |
| 01:12 | aklibrarian | I thought it was, but I get an error message that I have YAZ 2.1.8 AND I need at least 2.1.50 |
| 01:13 | masonj_ | ah, 2.1.5 is 45 versions behind 2.1.50 :) |
| 01:14 | aklibrarian | Got it. I thought the numbering was different. |
| 01:14 | masonj_ | yeah, 2.1.50 isnt 2.1.5.0 |
| 01:15 | its got me before too :) | |
| 01:18 | aklibrarian | Does the command sudo perl -MCPAN -e ' install "You will need PDF::AP12 for barcode generator"' Sound correct |
| 01:20 | masonj_ | try, sudo perl -MCPAN -e ' install "PDF::AP12"' |
| 01:21 | aklibrarian | Cannot install PDF::AP12, don't know what it is |
| 01:22 | masonj_ | ooh, typo |
| 01:22 | API2, not AP12 | |
| 01:23 | I not 1 | |
| 01:32 | aklibrarian | Correct words makes all the difference |
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