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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 14:33 | owen | kados around? |
| 14:51 | Hi paul | |
| 14:53 | paul | how are things ? |
| 14:54 | or not yet arrived in main repo | |
| 14:55 | owen | Yes, sometimes there are disadvantages to having so few people |
| 14:57 | atz | my patches have been failing to merge. git says they're "not applicable" |
| 14:58 | i haven't figured out why | |
| 14:58 | paul | doesn't that mean : "someone else already did that" ? |
| 14:59 | owen : a quick question about YUI tabbing (i'm working on a specific plugin) | |
| 14:59 | we need : | |
| 14:59 | - <!-- TMPL_INCLUDE NAME="yui-toolbars.inc" --> | |
| 15:00 | owen | No. The tab system I've been using is not YUI, it's jquery, and all the required js is already included globally |
| 15:00 | So the tabs you put together for MARCdetail are jquery, not YUI | |
| 15:00 | paul | by what/who ? (as my script is special, so don't use classic tmpl include |
| 15:00 | ) | |
| 15:01 | owen | /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/jquery.js |
| 15:01 | /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tabs.pack.js | |
| 15:01 | /intranet-tmpl/prog/en/lib/jquery/plugins/jquery.tabs.css | |
| 15:03 | paul | and you just need : |
| 15:03 | - to run the function at the beginning : | |
| 15:03 | $(document).ready(function() { | |
| 15:03 | $('#addbibliotabs').tabs(); | |
| 15:03 | }); | |
| 15:04 | owen | Right, where #addbibliotabs is the ID of the containing div |
| 15:04 | paul | 2- have the tab list in : |
| 15:04 | <div id="tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"> | |
| 15:04 | oups, it's the tab content... | |
| 15:04 | the tab list is : | |
| 15:04 | <div id="addbibliotabs" class="toptabs numbered"> | |
| 15:04 | <ul><!-- TMPL_LOOP name="BIG_LOOP" --> | |
| 15:04 | <li> <!-- TMPL_IF name="number" --> | |
| 15:04 | <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl#tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"><!-- TMPL_VAR name="number"--></a> | |
| 15:04 | <!-- TMPL_ELSE --> | |
| 15:04 | <a href="/cgi-bin/koha/cataloguing/addbiblio.pl#tab<!-- TMPL_VAR name="number" -->XX"><!-- TMPL_VAR name="number"--></a> | |
| 15:04 | <!-- /TMPL_IF --></li> | |
| 15:04 | <!-- /TMPL_LOOP --></ul> | |
| 15:04 | am I right ? | |
| 15:05 | GOT it ! | |
| 15:05 | very easy when you know how to make it work ! | |
| 15:06 | owen, i've found a small bug on addbiblio. | |
| 15:07 | when open to MODIFY a biblio. | |
| 15:07 | all filled subfields are expanded automatically. | |
| 15:07 | You use the toggle() when the user clic on ExpanField. | |
| 15:07 | Thus all filled fields are hidden, and all empty fields are displayed. | |
| 15:07 | if you click again, you get the opposite. | |
| 15:08 | but the correct behaviour would be : | |
| 15:08 | - show all filled fields | |
| 15:08 | - when the user clic => show everything | |
| 15:08 | owen | Can you file a bug? I'm about to leave for an afternoon meeting and won't be able to work on it until tomorrow |
| 15:08 | paul | - click again => hide everything |
| 15:08 | OK | |
| 15:08 | owen | You can just paste this conversation as the description |
| 15:11 | paul | http://bugs.koha.org/cgi-bin/b[…]w_bug.cgi?id=1513 |
| 16:41 | fbcit | by what name to I apt-get "git"? |
| 16:43 | ping kados | |
| 16:46 | dbs | atz: it's your sirsidynix api training causing mental blocks |
| 16:49 | atz | it's bizarre how secret/valuable they imagine it is |
| 16:49 | paul_ | fbcit : try git-core ? |
| 16:49 | gmcharlt | atz: that perception not limited to SirsiDynix, btw :) |
| 16:50 | atz | gmcharlt: certainly, since my employer (and dozens of others) send their staff to attend |
| 16:50 | they must believe they're getting something out of it | |
| 16:51 | fbcit | paul_:ok, got it... but git config --global commands seem not to work here. |
| 16:51 | atz | and then they teach you that the "prtuser" command is for printing info about users... |
| 16:51 | paul_ | yep, even free software are "closed by knowledge" : if we give you the source code without any help, it's quite useless. Same if we don't open our tools & docs as well. (of, it's not the case of Koha. and a lack of doc is more due to time than decision...) |
| 16:52 | dbs | atz: well, it's your employer who presumably signed the contract with SD agreeing that they wouldn't be eligible for the special (read: extra $$) CC support available for API-related mishaps unless they had API-certified people |
| 16:52 | your former employer | |
| 16:52 | atz | right |
| 16:52 | dbs | it's a great racket |
| 16:52 | paul | fbcit: i'm not a git geek, i'm afraid you will have to ask someone else. |
| 16:53 | atz | the funny part about that is how often their own updates, or just old buggy code caused errors for our production instances |
| 16:53 | dbs | suffering that right here, right now atz |
| 16:53 | atz | :( |
| 16:54 | and then, the clincher, was their decade-long ripping off open source | |
| 16:54 | gmcharlt | ouch |
| 16:55 | atz | (i didn't want to get into on list, but that is what i referred to obliquely... |
| 16:55 | fbcit | paul:tnx. the rest works ok. |
| 16:55 | atz | ... saying I think I take legal issues more seriously than they (at least the former mgmt) do.) |
| 16:55 | paul | almost time for dinner in france... I smell some food... |
| 16:58 | dbs | atz: understood |
| 16:58 | paul: please send some fine french food this way! | |
| 16:58 | atz | dbs: what is the problem you have presently? |
| 16:59 | dbs | notices to our french-language users have broken accented characters, and labels / dates in English |
| 16:59 | paul | ??? |
| 17:00 | dbs | Yes, instead of é à our users get * *. Horrible. |
| 17:00 | paul | where, when, since what ? |
| 17:00 | dbs | SD support doesn't have a clue how to fix it. |
| 17:00 | paul: this is with our unicorn system | |
| 17:00 | don't worry :) | |
| 17:00 | paul | ah, ok. |
| 17:00 | atz | dbs: there was a guy in my training class that was send there JUST for that |
| 17:01 | he was from em.... price edward islands? no... the other one... | |
| 17:01 | the canadian province that is officially bilingual | |
| 17:03 | so his provincial library was constitutionally required to provide services in both languages (user's choice) | |
| 17:04 | New Brunswick | |
| 17:05 | that's the one | |
| 17:07 | dbs | yup, we're an officially bilingual university, so this is a *very bad thing*. |
| 17:07 | atz | yeah, it looks bad... too bad language and character set were such an afterthought to Unicorn |
| 17:11 | are you running java workflows? | |
| 17:14 | asterisk is a weird character to substitute... usually I see space, square, '?' or some non-displaying value | |
| 17:15 | dbs | C Workflows |
| 17:16 | but the notices have nothing to do with workflows (as you're probably aware) | |
| 17:17 | they were just ANSEL-encoded text files for the body of the message, that had the relevant data (user name, date, overdue book biblio info) prepended or appended to it | |
| 17:19 | atz | right |
| 17:19 | it's all on the back end | |
| 17:20 | we had ongoing problems with diacritics... | |
| 17:21 | Web2 wouldn't display them, or couldn't return hits if the query included them, etc. | |
| 17:45 | fbcit | is it ok to install MARC::Record via CPAN? |
| 17:45 | chris | yep |
| 17:46 | CPAN is up to date now | |
| 17:46 | fbcit | tnx |
| 18:00 | chris | heya darla |
| 18:00 | paul_ | hi chris. |
| 18:00 | AKLIBRAIAN | Hi Chris. |
| 18:01 | I need some help | |
| 18:01 | paul_ | a quick question before leaving : do you have recieved my 17 tgz patches ? |
| 18:01 | chris | sent today your time? |
| 18:01 | paul_ | nope, yesterday |
| 18:01 | AKLIBRAIAN | I am trying to set up a Linux Browser and it is not being nice to me. |
| 18:01 | chris | yep, unpacking those now paul |
| 18:01 | paul_ | (with 2 translations, thus the .tgz) |
| 18:02 | chris | yep, you shoudl get emails when i apply them and forward them to joshua |
| 18:02 | paul_ | ok. I'll just send the new patches in a few minuts (nothing major) |
| 18:02 | AKLIBRAIAN | Chris you were right on who this is. |
| 18:02 | chris | cool |
| 18:02 | ahh, a linux web browser darla? | |
| 18:02 | AKLIBRAIAN | Yep |
| 18:02 | Ubuntu | |
| 18:02 | chris | i use firefox |
| 18:02 | AKLIBRAIAN | The problem comes in getting mysql server 4.1 |
| 18:03 | chris | ahh |
| 18:03 | get 5 | |
| 18:03 | AKLIBRAIAN | Not web browser sorry. I am trying to set up a machine to run Koha. |
| 18:03 | chris | the latest version of koha works with mysql 5 |
| 18:03 | AKLIBRAIAN | GREAT. |
| 18:03 | Which version is that? IF it uses 5 then I think I am close to being ready to install. | |
| 18:04 | I am happy now because I took my MAC away for a fix and I am actually chatting in this room. I have been trying that for a year. | |
| 18:04 | chris | lemme just check that i havent put you wrong, but afaik 2.2.9 works with 5 .. is that right paul? |
| 18:04 | AKLIBRAIAN | I think I love my Linux machiine. |
| 18:04 | chris | hehe |
| 18:05 | AKLIBRAIAN | Last night someone who programs in Linux said I was trying to hard and this may be out of my learning curve. |
| 18:06 | chris | ubuntu is pretty sweet |
| 18:06 | it pretty much just works | |
| 18:07 | AKLIBRAIAN | I figure the computer is just a machine. I might have to know the right words, but I can learn them. |
| 18:07 | Wow, that is good name dropping. | |
| 18:07 | chris | exactly |
| 18:08 | AKLIBRAIAN | You are suppose to say that something you said was the impetus of Ubuntu too. |
| 18:08 | chris | and the good thing with linux is, you are allowed to learn the right words without having to pay exorbitant amounts of money to someone |
| 18:08 | ahh this was after ubuntu was started, i wish i could have said that :) | |
| 18:08 | AKLIBRAIAN | That is why I am here. I hate giving money to software builders. |
| 18:09 | chris | i dont mind giving them money |
| 18:09 | thats how i feed my family | |
| 18:09 | AKLIBRAIAN | The software doesn't do all you want it to and it takes forever for them to fix things. |
| 18:09 | chris | i hate paying for stuff and not owning it |
| 18:09 | AKLIBRAIAN | I don't mind giving them money, if they understand that I am a district of 15 sites -- but that is only 1700 jkids. |
| 18:10 | chris | ie if i but some software, i should be able to do with it whatever i like |
| 18:10 | but=buy | |
| 18:10 | AKLIBRAIAN | They would charge a school of 1700 kids a reasonable price, but I get charged 15 times the price. |
| 18:10 | chris | *nod* |
| 18:10 | AKLIBRAIAN | I am happy to pay for the services, just don't overcharge me. |
| 18:11 | so 2.2.9 will work with mysql 5 I will try it and let you know how easy it was for me later. I have a class to teach now. | |
| 18:11 | Thanks for your help. | |
| 18:12 | chris | no problem |
| 18:12 | if you get stuck, sing out | |
| 18:36 | fbcit | chris: any thoughts on why Net::Z3950::ZOOM would fail on make test? |
| 18:38 | chris | yeah |
| 18:38 | it tries to connect to a z3950 server | |
| 18:38 | there are a multitude of reasons why that might not work | |
| 18:38 | id make install it anyway :) | |
| 18:43 | fbcit | chris: did 'apt-get install libnet-z3950-zoom-perl' and we're off... |
| 18:44 | chris | sweet |
| 19:15 | Aloha rex | |
| 19:15 | rex | aloha no |
| 19:15 | howzit? | |
| 19:17 | chris | so far so good |
| 19:17 | nice and sunny outside | |
| 19:19 | rex | what's up w/this? |
| 19:19 | http://www.nzherald.co.nz/feat[…]objectid=10470189 | |
| 19:20 | chris | oh yeah, police being retards |
| 19:21 | and nz has tons of rednecks | |
| 19:21 | as you will see by reading the comments | |
| 19:21 | rex | yeah. I think they fall more in the "cracker" category than "redneck" :D |
| 19:21 | chris | i think Hone Harawira summed it up best "Govt not doing well in the polls, time to bash some Maori" |
| 19:24 | it was very 'coincidental' the did the raids on the very day that the amendment to the terrorism suppression act was being read | |
| 19:25 | rex | yeah |
| 19:27 | chris | its pretty much all wait and see now, see if anyone actually gets charged for anything other than unlawful firearm possesion |
| 19:27 | of which hundreds of ppl are charged every year | |
| 19:28 | without heavily armed police bashing down doors | |
| 19:29 | at least we have the green and maori party in parliament asking questions | |
| 19:29 | so it could be worse | |
| 19:33 | but hei aha, at least the sun is shining :-) | |
| 19:37 | hi rh | |
| 19:37 | rh | hey whats up.. im checking out koha for a possibility on a project.. figured i'd join the channel |
| 19:39 | chris | cool |
| 19:39 | whats the project? | |
| 19:42 | rh | its a portal integration with a bunch of different 3rd party apps.. they have some requirements for a library that will only contain about 300 books or so |
| 19:42 | chris | ahh |
| 19:42 | koha might be overkill for that | |
| 19:43 | rh | yeah i agree.. but they originally specd out inmagic genie.. which is just as bad |
| 19:43 | chris | *nod* |
| 19:44 | rh | is it easy to scale down koha and just use the peices you want? |
| 19:44 | chris | yeah is just a big webapp |
| 19:45 | rh | or also do you happen to have any ideas for more lightweight library apps? |
| 19:45 | chris | do they actually want to run a library with it, or just an catalog search? |
| 19:45 | ie acquisitions, circulation, patron management etc .. or just a searchable catalog? | |
| 19:46 | rh | I'd say acquisitions and patron managment are more of a requirement than a searchable catalog |
| 19:47 | we are actually implementing a google search box in with the portal... so really we can have that crawl a catalog | |
| 19:47 | chris | right |
| 19:48 | librarians might freak out at that, but it will probably work just fine | |
| 19:48 | rh | well they only want one part time librarian i think.. the purpose is to automate checkout |
| 19:48 | chris | right, Koha will work fine for that |
| 19:49 | its in use from libraries about that size, thru to millions of items | |
| 19:49 | rh | I tried looking at the opac for the self checkout.. i saw where you can reserve a book .. but then it just goes to pending status |
| 19:49 | wouldnt librarian intervention be required there? | |
| 19:49 | chris | ahh yeah there is a selfcheckout module for Koha |
| 19:50 | for reserves yes | |
| 19:50 | rh | oh |
| 19:50 | chris | if you see kados around ask him about it :) |
| 19:50 | im actually watching hte logs of a 3m self check machine talking to koha right now | |
| 19:50 | but thats way overkill :-) | |
| 19:51 | rh | cool.. yeah I haven't set this up locally yet so I havent gotten an idea for everything |
| 19:52 | The organization wants the ability to grow.. how fast and how big is yet to be determined.. so I'd rather have something that can scale | |
| 19:53 | oh also.. is kohaZOOM a product by the liblime guys.. or is everything liblime does just using koha and implementing it themselves | |
| 19:53 | chris | the latter |
| 19:54 | all the code for zoom is in cvs | |
| 19:54 | so there for everyone to use | |
| 19:54 | id wait for 3.0 which comes with zebra | |
| 19:55 | and which we are doing final bugfixing on at the moment | |
| 19:55 | rh | oh really? |
| 19:55 | chris | you can watch progress at http://git.koha.org/gitstat/ |
| 19:55 | rh | that is good to know |
| 20:35 | fbcit | chris: does 3.0 use Event? |
| 20:35 | chris | not afaik |
| 20:35 | fbcit | seems I remember kados mentioning it was not used any longer |
| 20:35 | chris | the z3950 stuff used to use it, but with the new net::z3950::zoom |
| 20:35 | we dont needit | |
| 20:36 | fbcit | tnx. Makefile.PL still check for it. |
| 20:36 | *checks | |
| 20:36 | chris | ahh ill fix that |
| 20:38 | fbcit | I assume all other modules are needed...? |
| 20:38 | chris | yep |
| 20:38 | i just did a grep "use Event" -r * | |
| 20:38 | nothing using it | |
| 20:39 | so ill take taht out of hte Makefile.PL | |
| 20:39 | and learn to type while im at it | |
| 20:39 | fbcit | hehe |
| 20:46 | chris: is it ok to force install of MARC::File::XML? | |
| 20:55 | chris | hmm whats the error its giving you? |
| 20:57 | fbcit | it was failing on 'make test'... |
| 20:58 | Makefile.PL does not see it, but cpan does. | |
| 20:59 | chris | ah well, if you get weird xml errors we'll know why :-) |
| 20:59 | fbcit | I'm going to remove it and reinstall. |
| 21:00 | I also get 'Makefile.PL could not find ParserDetails.ini' | |
| 21:00 | unrelated I think... | |
| 21:02 | kados | fbcit: I just pushed up a new version of MARC::File::XML |
| 21:02 | fbcit: try the development version, I know some folks had trouble installing the 0.87 version | |
| 21:03 | fbcit | kados: where to get it? |
| 21:03 | kados | http://search.cpan.org/dos/MAR[…]/MARC/File/XML.pm |
| 21:03 | look for Latest Release: | |
| 21:04 | fbcit | hrmm... "Not Found" |
| 21:05 | maybe /kados/MARC....? | |
| 21:05 | kados | http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/ |
| 21:05 | oops | |
| 21:05 | http://search.cpan.org/dos/MARC-XML-0.87/ | |
| 21:05 | huh ... | |
| 21:05 | fbcit | Ahhh ~kados/ |
| 21:06 | kados | ahh, I know |
| 21:06 | fbcit | http://search.cpan.org/~kados/[…]/MARC/File/XML.pm |
| 21:06 | kados | it's my screen session |
| 21:06 | stripping out the tilda | |
| 21:06 | control_characters-- | |
| 21:08 | fbcit: if that doesnt work, install 0.86 | |
| 21:11 | fbcit | ended up with 0.88_1... |
| 21:12 | makefile checks for 0.86... | |
| 21:12 | kados | ahhh |
| 21:13 | I bet if you used install-CPAN it would work | |
| 21:13 | install-CPAN.pl | |
| 21:13 | maybe | |
| 21:13 | fbcit | I was unclear on install-CPAN... does it install all necessary modules... |
| 21:14 | kados | I think that's what it's supposed to do |
| 21:19 | fbcit | kados: where should 'path/to/koha.tgz' be? I see no such file. |
| 21:19 | kados | huh, I'm not sure |
| 21:25 | fbcit: any luck? | |
| 21:26 | fbcit: maybe just make something up? | |
| 21:27 | maybe it compiles a tgz for you, I dunno :-) | |
| 21:27 | we need to bug MJ about this | |
| 21:27 | wonder where he's been the last few weeks | |
| 21:27 | fbcit | argghhh... |
| 21:28 | kados | fbcit: sup? |
| 21:28 | huh, weird | |
| 21:28 | what error are you getting? | |
| 21:29 | jesus, there are like 40 patches today | |
| 21:29 | fbcit | Makefile.PL warns 'prerequisite MARC::File::XML 0.86 not found' |
| 21:30 | it also cannot find ParserDetails.ini.... | |
| 21:30 | kados | ahh, you must be missing the SAX parser |
| 21:30 | you'll want to do : | |
| 21:30 | fbcit | I CPAN'd XML::SAX... |
| 21:31 | kados | you'll want to delete your cpan one and do: |
| 21:31 | apt-get install libxml-simple-perl | |
| 21:31 | you're probably missing libxml2 | |
| 21:31 | the C library | |
| 21:35 | fbcit | kados: I have to head out. I think on monday I'll start over with a fresh install of debian. |
| 21:35 | kados | k |
| 21:35 | sorry, hopefully your pain will lead to a more sane installation procedure | |
| 21:35 | :-) | |
| 21:36 | fbcit | me 2. |
| 21:36 | I'll try the install-CPAN.pl script first after a clean install. | |
| 21:37 | kados | actually, Id' recommend agains that now that I think about it |
| 21:37 | esp XML::Simple should be installed by your debian package | |
| 21:37 | fbcit | ? |
| 21:37 | kados | because it has dependencies |
| 21:37 | C-library ones | |
| 21:37 | like libxml2 | |
| 21:37 | that CPAN can't install for you | |
| 21:37 | fbcit | apt blows chunks on it right now. |
| 21:37 | kados | yea, it will, because you've already got it installed |
| 21:38 | there's an easy solution | |
| 21:38 | fbcit | libxml-libxml-perl is not configured... |
| 21:38 | kados | lemme give you this script ... just a sec |
| 21:38 | fbcit: email address? | |
| 21:39 | fbcit | cnighswongergmail.com |
| 21:39 | kados | sent |
| 21:40 | fbcit: http://www.mail-archive.com/pe[…]org/msg01006.html | |
| 21:40 | fbcit: there's a bit of background there, I'd take some time to read that if you have a moment | |
| 21:40 | fbcit: pint #4 especially | |
| 21:40 | Using incompatible version of XML::SAX::LibXML and libxml2 ... | |
| 21:40 | fbcit | got it... |
| 21:43 | kados: will having three flavors of MARC::File::XML installed be an issue? | |
| 21:43 | kados | I wouldn't recommend it |
| 21:43 | easy to uninstall them though | |
| 21:43 | with that script I sent you | |
| 21:44 | fbcit | I installed the last two from the command line... |
| 21:44 | ie perl makefile.pl && make && make install... | |
| 21:45 | kados | that's fine, that's all cpan does anyway |
| 21:45 | fbcit | ahh.. |
| 21:46 | then on monday I'll pick up here. | |
| 21:47 | ttyl | |
| 04:48 | Brooke | anyone around? |
| 04:49 | chris | sorta |
| 04:49 | im feeding Kahurangi dinner | |
| 04:49 | so one handed typing | |
| 04:50 | Brooke | *nod* |
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