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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:25 | kados | paul: you aroudn? |
| 12:26 | paul | i'm around, but not aroudn. Is that OK ? |
| 12:26 | kados | hehe |
| 12:26 | paul | (hi) |
| 12:26 | which one ? | |
| 12:26 | kados | it's the french translation one |
| 12:26 | I'm invistigating some changes to en stuff | |
| 12:26 | that may have slipped in by accident? | |
| 12:26 | owen | Hi folks |
| 12:26 | kados | hiya owen |
| 12:26 | paul | yep, for sure ! |
| 12:27 | it's supposed to contain only fr/... datas | |
| 12:27 | (hi owen) | |
| 12:27 | kados | /prog/en/modules/catalogue/moredetail.tmpl is the first line |
| 12:27 | and I _think_ it reverts something I did yesterday | |
| 12:27 | paul | it's a mistake, for sure. |
| 12:28 | kados | also, all of the marc21 plugins are included |
| 12:28 | maybe they are improved, I don't know :-) | |
| 12:28 | paul | ??? |
| 12:28 | I don't see that. | |
| 12:28 | kados | look for marc21_ |
| 12:29 | paul | it's the french version of those templates |
| 12:29 | kados | ahh |
| 12:29 | paul | (the translation being ugly) |
| 12:29 | kados | ok, that makes sense |
| 12:29 | paul | (as it will be useless for most us) |
| 12:29 | kados | so how much can you rely on the translator? |
| 12:29 | and how much must be done manually? | |
| 12:29 | paul | 100% done by translator ! |
| 12:29 | kados | ahh, great |
| 12:29 | paul | fortunatly ! |
| 12:30 | kados | so can't we just have a .po file, and generate the translation on installation? |
| 12:30 | (or anytime after installation) | |
| 12:30 | paul | we could. And I suggest it can be done anytime, in admin/, to let the library add/remove languages |
| 12:30 | (you won) | |
| 12:30 | kados | heh |
| 12:32 | ok, I've pushed up french translation patch | |
| 12:32 | everybody rebase :-) | |
| 12:32 | morning owen | |
| 12:32 | paul | (everybody: also note that it's already outdated by owen last changes...) |
| 12:32 | owen | So kados, you not only want the toolbars to look good, you want them to work? ;) |
| 12:33 | kados | paul: (that's why i think auto-generating will be easier for you) |
| 12:33 | owen: hehe | |
| 12:33 | paul | kados: ++ |
| 12:33 | owen: kados always want more and more... it's a pity :-D | |
| 12:34 | kados | in this case, for my sake it's OK to have french translations in Git, but for you sake, it's a pain :-) |
| 12:35 | owen: I committed fixes to the moredetail.pl status stuff last night, it worked just as it should on a fresh install | |
| 12:36 | owen | Speaking of fresh install, kados you said I needed to reinstall the other day, but I can't remember why |
| 12:36 | kados | yea, it's not a bad idea |
| 12:36 | and pretty easy to accomplish | |
| 12:44 | hdl | kados : can you explain to me the callnumber management you sent us ? |
| 12:46 | kados | hdl: which part, I believe I explained it last week |
| 12:47 | owen: for your list: the News edit page doesnt' have a calendar plugin for the expiry date | |
| 12:48 | owen | It does, but it doesn't pop up if you simply tab to that field |
| 12:48 | kados | ahh |
| 12:48 | owen | Not sure if there's a way around that |
| 12:49 | kados | huh, also doesnt' seem to expire news |
| 12:50 | hdl | kados : you speak of the comment you sent with the commit ? |
| 12:50 | kados | hdl: yes |
| 12:51 | owen | kados: Bug 1508 |
| 12:52 | kados | ahh |
| 12:52 | y'know, I don't think that the rank is saved either | |
| 12:52 | hdl | use of this feature is not explained. |
| 12:52 | We donot know What we should do to index. | |
| 12:52 | kados | hdl: for call numbers? |
| 12:53 | hdl | yes. |
| 12:53 | owen | Rank was getting saved in my tests yesterday, but I'm not sure the rank value gets loaded when you go to edit |
| 12:53 | kados | ahh, that must be it |
| 12:53 | hdl | nor if we have to do some things to get it work. |
| 12:53 | It seems there are new pages in admin. | |
| 12:54 | kados | the MARC framework doesn't seem to work to display the other 942 fields (other than itemtype) |
| 12:54 | and I'm not sure why that is | |
| 12:54 | http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]guing/addbooks.pl | |
| 12:54 | admin / default | |
| 12:54 | oops | |
| 12:54 | admin / demo | |
| 12:54 | add a new MARC record and look at tab 9 | |
| 12:55 | there should be several fields there | |
| 12:55 | http://staff-jmf.dev.kohalibra[…]42&frameworkcode= | |
| 12:55 | hdl: until i can resolve that issue I'm afraid I don't have much news on the cn_* front as all of the cn_* fields are in 942 for my framework :-) | |
| 12:59 | anyone else having a similar problem? | |
| 13:00 | hdl | what problem ? |
| 13:00 | owen | kados, should the default framework show fields other than itemtype? |
| 13:00 | I'm only seeing 942c | |
| 13:03 | kados | owen: yea, me too, that's the problem I'm describing |
| 13:03 | if you look in the framework, there are a lot of 942 fields, but only itemtype shows up in the MARC editor | |
| 13:05 | hdl | maybe a problem with Template IF or javascript. |
| 13:05 | dbs | where |
| 13:05 | whoops :) | |
| 13:06 | hdl | kados : 5 js errors. |
| 13:06 | when loading addbiblio page | |
| 13:07 | No. | |
| 13:07 | Problems on plugins | |
| 13:09 | js calls should have a closing ) | |
| 13:15 | kados | hdl: I don't see any js errors ... where are you seeing those? |
| 13:16 | hdl | when clicking on ... near 008 |
| 13:16 | or any ... on addbiblio page. | |
| 13:17 | kados | strange, no errors for me |
| 13:20 | atz | is freenode down for everybody? |
| 13:21 | kados | not for me |
| 13:22 | atz | hrm... |
| 13:23 | i get: The connection to irc://freenode.com/ (irc://freenode.com/) was aborted with error (null): Component returned failure code: 0x804b000d [nsIBinaryOutputStream.writeBytes] | |
| 13:23 | kados | ouch, doesn't look healthy :-) |
| 13:23 | could be your local freenode hub is down or sth | |
| 13:25 | atz | actually, i'm betting it's DNS... |
| 13:27 | kados | ahh, could be |
| 13:27 | morning guys | |
| 13:28 | atz | cya |
| 13:30 | owen | hi northfox , gmcharlt , atz |
| 13:31 | gmcharlt | hi owen |
| 13:31 | atz | what's up, owen? |
| 13:31 | northfox | hey owen |
| 13:31 | how's ext coming along? | |
| 13:31 | did you manage to get the custom build working? | |
| 13:31 | hdl | owen : |
| 13:32 | owen | No, and when Frederic came through with an improved version of the YUI toolbar I went with that |
| 13:32 | Yes, hdl? | |
| 13:32 | hdl | have you checked this : |
| 13:32 | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]3f277c2aa818f1989 | |
| 13:33 | ? | |
| 13:33 | seems it brings funny plugin calls in js. | |
| 13:33 | Paul recoded for authorities. | |
| 13:34 | But plugins are also impacted. | |
| 13:34 | owen | I'm not sure I understand |
| 13:34 | It's not working properly? | |
| 13:38 | hdl | as far as I am concerned, no. |
| 13:38 | And i dinf funny to have : | |
| 13:39 | Clictag_000_subfield_00_972254_20131('tag_000_subfield_00_972254_20131'; return false; ) | |
| 13:39 | owen | Right, that's not going to work. |
| 13:43 | Yeah, just a misplaced ) | |
| 13:48 | hdl | Maybe. But even changing that was not enough on my copy to get plugins work. |
| 13:49 | But this is not your fault. | |
| 13:49 | Changes in addbiblio are quite deep. | |
| 13:50 | And plugins HAVE to be adapted to them | |
| 15:24 | paul | kados : the Ecole des MInes de St Etienne is working on a OAI-PMH project for all "mines school". As paris & nantes already use koha, they are working on OAI-PMH on Koha. it should be available in the next weeks, as it's being tested (dev for Koha 3.0) |
| 15:25 | they will add a systempref to activate it & a oai-pmh script will be available under opac/ | |
| 18:20 | owen-away | I see intranetreadinghistory and ReadingHistory in system preferences. Are they the same, or are they supposed to do different things? |
| 19:39 | hdl | owen: seems to be French/English names of same variable |
| 19:45 | owen | Okay, I wanted to make sure I wasn't misunderstanding |
| 19:47 | chris | lol |
| 19:49 | pretty close :) | |
| 20:16 | fbcit | kados: Any reason I can't run two instances of koha on the same machine for dev purposes? |
| 20:17 | kados | fbcit: nope, no reason |
| 20:17 | you can even run them off the same codebase | |
| 20:18 | fbcit | well, I want one running unmodified over mysql so that I can see what things should look like while I do mods on the other. |
| 20:19 | I took a dive into the installer today for a bit. It looks like things started off in a multi-db direction but did not get too far. | |
| 20:21 | kados | yea, that's absolutely true |
| 20:21 | time constraints -- | |
| 20:21 | hdl wrote most of the installer | |
| 20:22 | so you can complain to him :-) | |
| 20:22 | and if there is a way to fix it and make it more universal, feel free to send in patches | |
| 20:26 | fbcit: and btw: please send in your kohastructure for postgres :-) | |
| 20:28 | fbcit | kados: I'll get it in tomorrow. I'm headed out for the day. |
| 20:28 | kados | cheers |
| 20:28 | fbcit | Mondays are incredibly busy for me.. :-P |
| 21:47 | thd | kados |
| 21:47 | kados: ping | |
| 21:47 | kados | thd: hi |
| 21:47 | thd | hello |
| 21:48 | are you still in CT? | |
| 21:48 | kados | yep ... back to Columbus this evening, and then on to MD tomorrow afternoon :/ |
| 21:48 | traveling-- | |
| 21:48 | thd | kados: I have two questions but I may not be able to type them fast enough |
| 21:49 | kados | :) |
| 21:51 | thd | kados: how would an updating Perl script find a framework that is know where the framework lives without hard coding or reading the directory and forming a list to present?? |
| 21:52 | kados | I don't quite understand the question :-) |
| 21:53 | thd | kados: it is about replacing the post installation update SQL scripts with a Perl script that drops and then recreates the framework tables then applies the framework SQL |
| 21:54 | kados | thd: I'm here, no need to call me :-) |
| 21:55 | thd | kados: I thought I could get an answer over phone that I would not get when you close your computer in a few seconds |
| 21:55 | kados | I should get going |
| 21:56 | thd: I'll be back later this evening ... around 9pm or so for a few hours | |
| 21:56 | thd | OK thanks :) |
| 01:16 | kados: ping | |
| 01:17 | kados | hi thd |
| 01:17 | thd | hello |
| 01:17 | Do you suffer jet lag between CT and Ohio? | |
| 01:19 | kados: My earlier question was about replacing the post installation update SQL scripts with a Perl script that drops and then recreates the framework tables then applies the framework SQL. | |
| 01:19 | kados | I don't see the utility of that approach |
| 01:20 | thd | kados: as opposed to a giant redundant post-installation SQL file? |
| 01:20 | kados | ahh, you could make it non-redundant? |
| 01:21 | thd | kados: exactly, because it need only drop and recreate the frameworks tables |
| 01:23 | kados: However, the script then needs to find the relevant updated frameworks SQL scripts. How will it know where to find them? | |
| 01:24 | does it use a relative path? | |
| 01:32 | kados: maybe I should investigate adding a post installation installer to the web installer | |
| 01:33 | kados: where is the nice description for how I can set up 3.0 if the installer is still broken? | |
| 01:33 | kados | my feeling is that if someone needs a post installation update SQL script, they will be competant enough to build their own |
| 01:34 | I don't think it makes sens to offer it | |
| 01:34 | there are much more pressing issues at hand | |
| 01:34 | like finishing the unimarc frameworks and finishing the simiple frameworks | |
| 01:34 | thd: priorities, man! :-) | |
| 01:34 | thd | kados: well certainly, but that is trivial |
| 01:34 | I meant for after that | |
| 01:35 | kados | not really, it's been weeks and weeks ! :-) |
| 01:35 | after that we can discuss the next steps :-) | |
| 01:36 | thd | kados: not until yesterday did you comment about how UNIMARC frameworks could be installed :) |
| 01:37 | I just needed a stable model | |
| 01:38 | kados | ok |
| 01:38 | just a sec | |
| 01:39 | thd: what if we did: | |
| 01:39 | installer/data/en/frameworks/unimarc | |
| 01:39 | installer/data/en/frameworks/marc21 | |
| 01:39 | then the frenchies could have | |
| 01:39 | installer/data/en/frameworks/unimarc/ | |
| 01:40 | thd | with mandatory and optional underneath each of those? |
| 01:40 | kados | hmmm |
| 01:40 | atz | probably installer/data/fr/frameworks/unimarc/ ? |
| 01:40 | kados | atz: :-) |
| 01:40 | atz | just a guess :) |
| 01:41 | kados | heh |
| 01:41 | thd | :) |
| 01:41 | kados | basically we're just missing a 'choose your MARC flavour' step from the installer |
| 01:41 | thd | yes |
| 01:41 | kados | and based on that choice it should offer you a list of frameworks, some optional, some mandatory |
| 01:42 | thd: that's of secondary importance to actually having working unimarc en frameworks :-) | |
| 01:42 | thd | yes of course, mine are partly better than the French ones |
| 01:43 | kados | I'd suggest committing them to optional and then I can move them around when I get around to refactoring the installer |
| 01:43 | (or whoever has time can do it then) | |
| 01:43 | thd | I took some time to correctly translate and map an up to date version of Recommendation 995 |
| 01:44 | kados | cool |
| 01:44 | thd | however, I have a comment that says not safe for production because I did not have time to verify every line for free |
| 01:45 | kados | *nod* |
| 01:46 | thd | and I know that the person from whom you received them used out of date documentation and missed much that was in the documents which he did consult |
| 01:47 | I think he worked from the incomplete French frameworks and then looked at the English UNIMARC documentation | |
| 01:47 | atz | did you see the swedish linux users group that was going to hire 2 translators to translate koha into swedish? |
| 01:47 | (or was it norwegian? i forget) | |
| 01:47 | thd | maybe Norwegian |
| 01:48 | kados: my other general question I will postpone but it addresses translation and framework proliferation | |
| 09:41 | yesan | i would like to know whether or not a dedicated ip address is required if we use web hosting agencies like bluehost.com to install koha on our website |
| 09:42 | presently we are given a shared ip address from bluehost.com. our domain name is www.jlcopac.org | |
| 09:42 | is someone there to answer my query | |
| 09:45 | masonj, atleast you can help me to answer my query | |
| 09:46 | it looks taking time to get my query answered | |
| 09:48 | 03 does any one there to help | |
| 09:50 | masonj | hiya yesan |
| 09:50 | whats your query? | |
| 09:50 | yesan | i would like to know whether or not a dedicated ip address is required if we use web hosting agencies like bluehost.com to install koha on our website |
| 09:51 | masonj, Did you get my query | |
| 09:52 | masonj | hmm.. |
| 09:52 | yesan | 03 i hope you got it |
| 09:53 | 03 do you an answer, MasonJ | |
| 09:53 | masonj | u might be able to use a dynamic dns service, to handle your non-static ip address |
| 09:53 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic_DNS | |
| 09:54 | but the short answer is no, u dont need a dedicated ip address | |
| 09:55 | yesan | Thank u masonJ, I have another query. Please forgive me for my ignorance on these |
| 09:55 | masonj | and i do recall other people sucessfully setting up koha's on bluehost.com too |
| 09:56 | yesan | could you please let me know if there are some who have used bluehost for hosting koha |
| 09:56 | masonj | but having said that... |
| 09:57 | yesan | we need perl modules for Red Hat Linux version 4 (enterprise) for koha installation. has any one got. |
| 09:57 | masonj | running koha without a static ip, will give you all the pain-in-the-ass issues that running *any* web app without a static ip will have |
| 09:58 | lemme have a google thru the koha mailing-list archive... | |
| 09:59 | yesan | So you mean to say that is wiser to have static/dedicated ip. which takes away $35.00 annnually |
| 09:59 | masonj | http://tinyurl.com/ypxhas |
| 10:01 | yeah, if u are using it for anything other than personal use, then go for a static ip | |
| 10:02 | yesan | It will be union catalogue of Joint Library Committtee, Bangalore (15 libraries will be participating in this) |
| 10:02 | masonj | i dont think a dynamic dns setup is suitable for production boxes |
| 10:03 | lol, ok, definitely pay the extra 35 bucks for the static ip :) | |
| 10:04 | yesan | does any one has perl modules for RH4 |
| 10:04 | masonj | add if you can , try to find a hosting company that offers debian boxes, rather than redhat |
| 10:05 | all the developers (that i know) use debian, | |
| 10:06 | yesan | what is the advantage of debian over RH |
| 10:06 | masonj | all the developers use it :) |
| 10:06 | so you will get better help from them | |
| 10:07 | thats the one big reason | |
| 10:08 | i wont go into the technical differences between them right now :) | |
| 10:10 | so, perhaps set up a deb and redhat box, and see which one u find easier | |
| 10:11 | yesan | You are right, masonj |
| 10:11 | You are right | |
| 10:11 | thank you masonj for being available to answer my queries. | |
| 10:11 | masonj | the perl modules u can get from cpan.org too |
| 10:12 | from either a redhat or debian box | |
| 10:13 | u dont need to look for the perl modules as *.rpm files on the net | |
| 10:13 | yesan | that' |
| 10:13 | that's wonderful | |
| 10:15 | masonj | so from a redhat box.... |
| 10:15 | perl -MCPAN -e shell | |
| 10:16 | cpan> install DBD::mysql | |
| 10:17 | from the cpan> prompt, you can grab your perl modules from cpan.org that way | |
| 10:19 | ok yesan, ive gotta go.... | |
| 10:19 | but, think about setting up a debian box too, your install will be *much* easier | |
| 10:20 | simply because we are all very familiar with debian, not so much redhat... | |
| 10:21 | yesan | Masonj thank for your help. |
| 10:21 | masonj | cool, sing out if you get stuck and need a hand :) |
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