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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 12:01 | kados | morning jaron |
| 12:01 | jaron: just got your email :-) | |
| 12:02 | jaron | good morning |
| 12:02 | :) | |
| 12:04 | btw, was able to poke around and find a public but unannounced svn repo to grab the code. | |
| 12:05 | kados | cool |
| 12:06 | yea, it's there, but you have to look closely :-) | |
| 12:08 | jaron | cool, thanks for responding. |
| 12:14 | paul | hello kados & jaron |
| 12:14 | jaron | morning paul |
| 12:18 | kados | hiya paul |
| 12:28 | owen | Hi #koha |
| 12:28 | kados | hiya owen :-) |
| 12:28 | owen | What've you been up to kados? |
| 12:29 | kados | yesterday we had a meeting with a client at our new offices |
| 12:30 | and we got a fishtank :-) | |
| 12:30 | paul | a fishtank ??? |
| 12:31 | owen | Good news! |
| 12:31 | kados | paul: an acquarium |
| 12:31 | small one, 35 gallons | |
| 12:31 | that's been fun :-) | |
| 12:31 | owen: you'll have to stop by and see our fish :-) | |
| 12:31 | owen | Now you nead a fishtank cleanup roster |
| 12:32 | And every time someone feeds the fish, they make a commit to the fish-git repository | |
| 12:33 | kados | heh |
| 12:35 | paul | kados : what is the relation btw the client & the fishtank ? you have a fishtank vendor using Koha ? |
| 12:36 | owen | Or can libraries now pay you in fish? |
| 12:36 | We'll give you three carp for a reporting module. | |
| 12:37 | kados | hehe |
| 12:37 | paul: nope, we just got one for the office | |
| 12:37 | :-) | |
| 13:02 | owen | paul, I noticed yesterday that the holds page gave me a warning about "The patron isn't in his own library" even though independent branches is set to 0. Is that a bug? |
| 13:05 | When I'm placing a hold, after entering the patron number, I get a message onscreen that says "The borrower isn't in is own library" | |
| 13:07 | kados | and yep, that sounds like a bug to me |
| 13:08 | paul | patron is registered in branch ???, the hold is taken by a librarian in branch ???, for a book that is in branch ??? and a pickup at branch ??? |
| 13:09 | owen | I don't understand |
| 13:10 | paul | kados : the ip "detector" address works only if you have entered ip address, otherwise it does nothing |
| 13:10 | owen | Yeah, that's not turned on |
| 13:10 | paul | owen : what is the branch you're logged as ? |
| 13:10 | (aslibrarian) | |
| 13:10 | what is the pickup location you choose ? | |
| 13:10 | what is the branch of your member ? | |
| 13:11 | owen | I'm logged in at Chauncey, the patron's branch is Main, and I haven't chosen a pickup location yet |
| 13:11 | But with IndependentBranches turned off, what does it matter? | |
| 13:11 | I should be able to place a hold for any patron at any branch and have it sent to any branch | |
| 13:12 | paul | gotcha ! |
| 13:12 | the warning is just a warning. It doesn't forbid you to do the hold. | |
| 13:13 | because usually, a patron calls it's own branch for a reserve. even if the book is at another one | |
| 13:13 | owen | Is the warning useful if IndependentBranches is turned off? |
| 13:14 | paul | good question... |
| 13:15 | this feature has been added by SAN-OP, that is independantBranches=OFF | |
| 13:15 | so they think it's useful ! | |
| 13:17 | kados | owen: how about NPL? |
| 13:17 | paul | if he ask, I suspect he will find this useless ;-) |
| 13:18 | maybe we should have 2 classes for "warnings". | |
| 13:18 | owen | Our librarians will be confused by a warning on the screen that isn't relevant to the hold process |
| 13:18 | paul | atm we have only 1, and it's red. |
| 13:18 | owen | Yes, in fact we've started that process |
| 13:18 | paul | we could have a "warning, danger", and "warning, maybe useful" |
| 13:18 | owen | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]global_stylesheet |
| 13:18 | We came up with warning, error, message, and dialog | |
| 13:19 | paul | so this message is a message, not a dialog. |
| 13:20 | sounds ok to me & I can convince SANOP I think | |
| 13:20 | owen | kados, I have a question about terminology |
| 13:20 | kados | sure |
| 13:20 | owen | We've agreed that "holds" is the most-preferred term, right? |
| 13:20 | kados | yep[ |
| 13:20 | because 'reserves' means something else in academic environments | |
| 13:21 | owen | What is the transitive form? Place a hold? Add a hold? Should the title say "Adding a hold for <title>" ? |
| 13:21 | kados | and holds is universal |
| 13:21 | place a hold | |
| 13:21 | place a hold on | |
| 13:21 | I think | |
| 13:21 | place a hold on <title> | |
| 13:24 | owen | Have you ever polled your libraries on whether patrons should be displayed lastname, firstname or firstname, lastname? How about you, Paul? |
| 13:25 | paul | nope. but saying "Hello POULAIN Paul" sounds very administrative where "Hello Paul POULAIN" sounds more friendly & close |
| 13:25 | (and it's "Paul POULAIN" without comma in french | |
| 13:26 | maybe that's why some of us spell lastname in capitals, to differenciate last & first ;-) | |
| 13:27 | owen | Sounds like a good system--I've been called "Leonard Owen" often throughout my life |
| 13:30 | kados | hehe |
| 13:30 | owen: yea, I agree, Firstname Lastname makes sense | |
| 13:30 | owen | Still looking at request.pl... Is the 'reserve this item' checkbox used if you want an item-level hold? |
| 13:30 | kados | also, on the prob of ALL CAPS |
| 13:30 | can't that just be a font style? | |
| 13:30 | paul: ? | |
| 13:30 | paul | yep. |
| 13:31 | kados | paul: yep to which question? :-) |
| 13:31 | paul | we hare a problem here, I agree... (yep to calling me) |
| 13:31 | s/hare/have/ | |
| 13:31 | kados | calling? |
| 13:31 | paul | Using a font-style is not what SANOP want. |
| 13:31 | kados | ahh |
| 13:31 | paul | but upcasing everything is bad, I agree |
| 13:32 | owen | We can add class="surname" to all relevant fields, and have a custom stylesheet defining text-transform "all-caps" |
| 13:32 | paul, what is SANOP asking for? | |
| 13:32 | paul | except that when or exporting we will have small caps! |
| 13:32 | kados | right |
| 13:32 | paul | they want to have "Paul POULAIN" everywhere. |
| 13:32 | kados | so you need a JS transform, but it will have to be wrapped in a syspref |
| 13:33 | paul | I'll teach them git in 10 days. |
| 13:33 | kados | the sysprefs that is |
| 13:33 | and they are still quite small overall | |
| 13:33 | paul | they'll discover the power of git rebase orign :-) |
| 13:33 | and i'll tell them they can keep their "ucase" behaviour locally easily | |
| 13:34 | kados | ok, that's another option |
| 13:34 | (though I think it's a nice feature to have built in with a syspref for libraries that like it) | |
| 13:35 | paul | we have a BorrowerMandatoryField, that decide which fields are mandatory for patron typing |
| 13:35 | we could have a BorrowerUpcaseField as well | |
| 13:36 | because maybe some ppl will want the city to be ucased as well | |
| 13:36 | kados | or BorrowerMandatoryField could have a special way to represent uppercase? |
| 13:50 | owen | Okay, so...still looking at request.pl... Is the 'reserve this item' checkbox used if you want an item-level hold? |
| 13:50 | kados | owen: yep, as I understand it |
| 13:50 | owen | Should that be a radio button instead of a checkbox? Or does checking multiple boxes mean, "give me the next one that comes back" ? |
| 13:51 | ..the next one of these two, as opposed to the next one of all, for instance? | |
| 13:52 | kados | paul: ? |
| 13:52 | paul | (on phone) |
| 13:57 | owen : i think you're right, it should be a radio button. Because i would bet a lot that you can't choose 2 different items... | |
| 13:58 | "the next one that come back" is the "1st available" option ;-) | |
| 14:09 | kados : mail in your mailbox. | |
| 15:28 | kados | paul: thx, I'll respond soon |
| 15:28 | paul: did you see MJ's post about 2.2.10? | |
| 15:30 | owen | paul, I'm curious about the 'cancel a reserve' link on requests.pl |
| 17:18 | ryan | owen: there's code in dev_week that manages reserve on multiple specific items. |
| 17:18 | just cancels other reserves for same biblio when one item reservve is filled. | |
| 17:19 | paul | hello ryan. |
| 17:19 | ryan | hi paul |
| 17:19 | paul | is it your code or a port of SANOP code in dev_week ? |
| 17:20 | ryan | rangi added it. |
| 17:21 | well, if sanop did it, then it was done twice :) | |
| 17:21 | it's a small thing, but a nice feature imo. | |
| 17:21 | paul | right? |
| 17:21 | right. | |
| 17:22 | and, best of the best, all checkboxes are unchecked if you select "1st available" ? | |
| 17:24 | ryan | or, i think 'first available' is greyed out if you select a specific item. |
| 17:25 | paul | ryan: kados told us you'll teach koha to 2 new employees next week. 2 more, or 2 replacing ppl that leaved ? |
| 17:25 | (how many "LibLimers" now ?) | |
| 17:25 | ryan | paul: new |
| 17:26 | we'll have 5 developers in U.S. | |
| 17:26 | plus team NZ | |
| 17:57 | owen | That business about 'first available' being greyed out isn't in 3.0. Is that what's in dev_week? |
| 17:59 | kados | ryan: ? |
| 18:10 | it's addicting, I'll tell ya | |
| 18:10 | owen | I look forward to seeing a fish-git commit for "bubbling treasure chest" |
| 18:10 | kados | apparantly, people who watch fish live longer :-) |
| 18:10 | hehe | |
| 18:10 | so the toolbar on circ's coming along eh? | |
| 18:11 | do you have a plan for priorities? | |
| 18:12 | owen | I've been pretty unfocused. I think you and I need to sit down together soon and discuss some of the questions that have arisen from trying to sort out toolbars and sidebars |
| 18:12 | kados | any luck with that js library for the toolbars? |
| 18:12 | yea | |
| 18:12 | owen | I haven't even touched the js for toolbars yet |
| 18:12 | kados | ahh |
| 18:58 | ryan | owen: nvm the greyed out business. |
| 18:59 | just replying to the radio v checkbox bit - | |
| 18:59 | i say go with checkboxes, since you _can_ select multiple specific items for reserve. | |
| 19:00 | owen | Ah, you can? In 3.0? |
| 19:00 | And the first one that becomes available fulfills the reserve? | |
| 19:00 | ryan | code just needs ported to 3.0 |
| 19:00 | rught. | |
| 19:00 | er.. right. | |
| 19:01 | owen | I wonder how much other stuff needs to be ported to 3.0... |
| 19:08 | From my point of view "next available" should be checked by default, and checking one of the 'hold this item' boxes would uncheck the 'next available' one | |
| 19:09 | johnb | kados, got a sec? |
| 19:29 | kados | johnb: sure do |
| 19:29 | johnb: hat's up? | |
| 19:29 | what's up I mean :-) | |
| 19:30 | johnb | kados: sorry got asked away from my desk |
| 19:30 | Kados: We had a problem with "not" not working in title search | |
| 19:31 | kados | oh, yea that is a problem |
| 19:31 | johnb | cm: youu teel him |
| 19:31 | cm | hey owen & ryan! i found a fix for the problem with 'not' searches |
| 19:31 | kados | one solution is we could change the syntax |
| 19:32 | cm | in the ccl properties where the operators are defined, |
| 19:32 | i changed '@not not' to '@not -' | |
| 19:32 | so just the minus sign is used for not. like google. ;) | |
| 19:32 | kados | we could replace not with ! |
| 19:32 | or we could replace it with - | |
| 19:32 | which do you guys prefer | |
| 19:32 | cm | i used - |
| 19:32 | you could define both, couldn't you? | |
| 19:33 | kados | yep, you could |
| 19:33 | lets see, you'll also need to make sure you don't have '-' mapped to ' ' in the record.abs | |
| 19:33 | cm | i'll check. |
| 19:35 | kados | and unfortunately, if you do, you'll have to reindex |
| 19:35 | cm | i don't think i do. there are too many hyphens in that file to simply search for it. |
| 19:35 | it's not that way by default, is it? | |
| 19:36 | kados | hmmm |
| 19:37 | cm | i'm not seeing it in there. |
| 19:38 | kados | sort-string.utf8 |
| 19:41 | cm | I don't have that in my record.abs. |
| 19:41 | kados | look for the file sort-string-utf.chr |
| 19:41 | should be in biblios/tab/ dir | |
| 19:41 | there's a line: | |
| 19:42 | space {\001-\040}!"#$%&'\()*+,-./:;<=>?@\[\\]^_|} | |
| 19:42 | remove the '-' from that line | |
| 19:42 | and reindex :-) | |
| 19:42 | repeat for all of the .chr files | |
| 19:42 | (well, you can edit them, then reindex once for all changes) | |
| 19:42 | make sense? | |
| 19:43 | cm | ok. what about the ! if i want to use that too? |
| 19:43 | i've been reindexing every night anyway. | |
| 19:44 | kados | yea, ditto on ! |
| 19:44 | cm | ok. thanks! |
| 19:45 | kados | lemme know if you have any other questions |
| 19:47 | cm | okay, thanks kados. |
| 20:03 | kados | back |
| 20:12 | cm | i do have another question for you. in 3.0, will the facets show all the results instead of just the ones for the first page? |
| 20:13 | kados | they could do that now if you want them to |
| 20:13 | the problem is it's too expensive | |
| 20:13 | (load wise) | |
| 20:14 | index data have been waiting for money (about $20K or so) to build facets into zebra itself | |
| 20:14 | so there would be a facet index | |
| 20:14 | which would make that possible | |
| 20:14 | but we have to wait until that sponsorhip goes through | |
| 20:15 | cm | that would be cool. |
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