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Time | Nick | Message |
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12:56 | kados | morning all |
12:59 | paul | hello kados |
13:03 | owen | Hi paul |
13:04 | paul | hi owen. |
13:04 | masonj | hi guys, im up too |
13:04 | owen | I thought it was required by law in France :) |
13:04 | paul | owen : I haven't seen any commit from monday. you had no success with patrons ? |
13:05 | owen : it's required by law , maybe, but i'm a Rebel :-D | |
13:05 | owen | paul, I submitted a patch, but it didn't get approved yet |
13:05 | paul | ok. kados, feel free to approve owen patch then ;-) |
13:05 | I have a quick question for you : | |
13:05 | http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]?borrowernumber=1 | |
13:06 | (login abel / abel) | |
13:06 | there is a breadcrumb on the left and an "action" bar on the right (my css) | |
13:06 | should not one of them be removed ? | |
13:07 | (and if it's action, were should we store all actions that are not in breadcrumb ?) | |
13:07 | owen | Our plan was to have "views" on the left, and "actions" in a toolbar at the top of the main content area |
13:07 | paul | Fines, Read reco, modif log are "views", right ? |
13:08 | owen | yes |
13:08 | paul | is there a page where it's done ? |
13:08 | owen | No, unfortunately. That's next on our list |
13:09 | paul | OK. So, next question : |
13:09 | http://i15.bureau.paulpoulain.[…]qui/acqui-home.pl | |
13:09 | the menu on the left will disappeard, right ? | |
13:09 | owen | It will be replaced with an acquisitions-specific menu |
13:10 | paul | (that is atm the "submenu" : "Add supplier, Late orders,... |
13:10 | right ? | |
13:10 | owen | Yes, and anything else that is missing |
13:10 | paul | ??? |
13:11 | owen | I mean we can put anything we want in the menu, it doesn't have to be just like the one that's there now |
13:11 | paul | but just acqui related things, isn't it ? |
13:11 | owen | yes |
13:11 | paul | OK |
13:12 | what about letting me play with acqui module design, to see if I have understood the concepts ? | |
13:13 | owen | Sure, I don't mind |
13:13 | paul | which module do you consider as "most advanced" |
13:13 | (/me suspect a frenchism) | |
13:13 | owen | I'm not doing things module-by-module. I'm adding one piece to everything, then another piece to everything, etc. |
13:13 | For instance, toolbars are not done on any pages | |
13:13 | Breadcrumbs are done for many pages | |
13:14 | paul | ok, so I may let you play with everything. |
13:14 | do you have an idea of the timeline to have something correct ? | |
13:25 | owen | Sorry, paul, I don't have a timeline. I know that is frustrating. |
13:26 | paul | not frustating : very frustrating ! |
13:26 | kados | there are still non-template things we're waiting to finalize anyway |
13:26 | paul | kados: installer is done and members on the way. anything else ? |
13:27 | kados | for instance, we still need to 'walk the database' and make sure all the db design is correct |
13:27 | the installer is far from done | |
13:27 | paul: have you tried it? | |
13:27 | paul | (something like half the bugs on bugs.koha.org are related to members & I plan to deal with them asap) |
13:27 | kados | (cool) |
13:27 | paul | kados: nope, could not find time for that |
13:27 | kados | paul++ |
13:28 | paul | why, it does not work ? |
13:29 | kados | the installer is not finished |
13:31 | paul | what do you mean by "not finished" ? it is bugguy in what it does or it does not do everything ? |
13:33 | kados | perhaps both |
13:33 | definitely doesn't do everything | |
13:33 | for instance, it doesn't set up zebra at all | |
13:34 | it's really just a matter of moving files into place | |
13:34 | paul | misc/rebuild_zebra.pl can help a lot anyway |
13:34 | kados | but the installer doesn't do that yet |
13:34 | paul | so, maybe the installer could do that. |
13:34 | Note that it depends wether you want Zebra or NoZebra ;-) | |
13:36 | kados | :_) |
13:50 | owen | Paul, do you plan to do some template work? |
13:50 | paul | not today. I'll wait for some more commits |
13:51 | + as kados spoke of the installer, i'll give it a try ;-) | |
13:53 | owen | Lots of other fun bugs in Bugzilla too ;) |
13:53 | paul | affected to v3 ? |
13:53 | I see 16 bugs | |
13:55 | owen | There are also many marked "HEAD" which should be reviewed and corrected if they're not really v3 bugs |
14:21 | kados | tim: |
14:21 | [Tue Sep 18 08:42:05 2007] [error] [client 192.168.1.33] Q2 : select distinct m1.bibid from biblio,biblioitems,marc_biblio,marc_word | |
14:21 | as m1,marc_word as m2,marc_word as m3,marc_word as m4,marc_word as m5,marc_word as m6,marc_word as m7,marc_word as m8,marc_word as | |
14:21 | m9 where biblio.biblionumber=marc_biblio.biblionumber and biblio.biblionumber=biblioitems.biblionumber and m1.bibid=marc_biblio.bibi | |
14:21 | d and (m1.bibid=m2.bibid and m1.bibid=m3.bibid and m1.bibid=m4.bibid and m1.bibid=m5.bibid and m1.bibid=m6.bibid and m1.bibid=m7.bib | |
14:21 | id and m1.bibid=m8.bibid and m1.bibid=m9.bibid) and ((m1.word like 'Speed' and m1.tagsubfield in ('245a'))and (m2.word like 'show' | |
14:21 | and m2.tagsubfield in('245a'))and (m3.word like 'How' and m3.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m4.word like 'Nascar' and m4.tagsubfield in | |
14:21 | ('245b'))and (m5.word like 'won' and m5.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m6.word like 'heart' and m6.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m7.word | |
14:21 | like 'of' and m7.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m8.word like 'America' and m8.tagsubfield in('245b'))and (m9.word like 'Caldwell' and m | |
14:21 | 9.tagsubfield in('100a'))) order by biblio.title ASC term is Speed show How Nascar won the heart of America Caldwell Dave Kingfish | |
14:21 | er at /home/kohatest/intranet/modules/C4/SearchMarc.pm | |
14:22 | tim: that's one heck of a query :-) | |
14:22 | tim: I have a feeling that FindDuplicate routine is acting up | |
14:36 | foxnorth: how's it going? | |
14:37 | foxnorth | kados: making a little progress |
14:39 | kados | foxnorth: with searching? |
14:39 | foxnorth | kados: i'm trying out the cvs marc-file-xml. I don't think it fixed the problem...i'm trying to track down why search results aren't displaying properly right now |
14:39 | kados | *nod* |
14:39 | foxnorth | kados: i'm disabling the target filtering code to see if that's the cultprit in results not displaying |
14:57 | kados | paul: did you see my email about moving the MARC type (UNIMARC, MARC21, etc.) to the framework instead of a syspref? |
14:57 | paul: i was wondering what you thought about that | |
14:57 | paul | yep. sounds a good idea. |
14:57 | although it may be tricky & could confuse users that we support more than 1 marc at at once. | |
14:57 | kados | should we add something to the table in kohastructure.sql to allow that, even if we don't have time to code it before 3.0? |
14:58 | paul: ahh, I thought it would be a feature, some ILSes claim to support more than 1 marc at once | |
14:58 | paul | yes, but what about getting records from various z3950 servers ? |
14:58 | or indexing multimarc in zebra ? | |
14:58 | that will fail miserabily | |
14:59 | kados | zebra you're right, we'd have to have biblios/usmarc biblios/unimarc |
14:59 | two separate databases | |
14:59 | unless maybe the new xpath stuff could handle it | |
14:59 | paul | that will be more complex than just a new field ;-) |
14:59 | kados | :-) |
15:00 | paul | I think DublinCore is the best way to go on the long term |
15:00 | kados | yea, DC++ |
15:05 | paul | kados : mail sent to koha-devel about installer |
15:05 | tim | kados: I get a brain cramp trying to wrap my head around that query. |
15:06 | kados | paul++ |
15:06 | tim: hehe, yea, that's why no-one's fixed it :-) | |
15:06 | paul: did you know there's a severe bug in FindDuplicate that causes mysql to come to a screeching halt under certain circumstances? | |
15:06 | it happens pretty rarely, but when it does it's catestrophic | |
15:06 | paul | I don't think it's FindDuplicate... |
15:07 | kados | yep, it is |
15:07 | paul | I think it's the 2.2 search structure. |
15:07 | tim | Just about everyone here's probably more prepared to fix it than I am. Maybe the challenge will motivate me. |
15:07 | kados | for certain long titles or authors |
15:07 | paul | because when you search for |
15:07 | /password, and only that. | |
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15:07 | oups... | |
15:07 | because when you search for | |
15:07 | Speed show How Nascar won the heart of America Caldwell Dave Kingfish | |
15:08 | it search each word separately and LEFT join each search. | |
15:08 | I bet that some words like "HOW", "WON", "America" have 1000 answers. | |
15:08 | so the query is LLLLOOOOONNNNGGGG | |
15:08 | kados | yea |
15:08 | paul | even if there are just a few results |
15:08 | tim | I use the heck outta left join in my queries |
15:08 | paul | heck outta ??? |
15:09 | (tim : remember i'm french, english is not native to me ;-) ) | |
15:09 | kados | tim means that he uses left join queries a lot :-) |
15:10 | tim | It's the first join I figured out how to use so I stuck with it. |
15:10 | paul | yep, but this one is 10 left join (stopword should remove THE and OF I think) |
15:10 | kados | 'use the heck outta' or ... 'to use the heck out of' ... means 'use a lot' :-) |
15:10 | paul | and 10 left join are really a lot ! |
15:11 | tim | I'll try to use real English here. |
15:11 | Or at least something close. | |
15:13 | kados | :) |
15:20 | owen | Is there a difference between import.pl and breeding.pl? |
15:20 | paul | owen: breeding is for the reservoir. |
15:20 | i don't know what import is done for. | |
15:21 | owen | The look the same. The both say MARC acquisition system: Import into the reservoir |
15:26 | hdl | owen : |
15:26 | a diff between the two files showed no diff but the template name. (and some versionning history.) | |
15:27 | kados | git-rm is in order :-) |
15:27 | hdl | < # Changing import script name (breeding.pl) to import.pl |
15:28 | line 126. | |
15:52 | owen | Can anyone confirm that tools/printerConfig.tmpl is no longer used? |
15:52 | paul | you should ask chris, he may have some suggestions about that |
15:52 | afaik, you're right | |
15:53 | mmm... nope, i'm wrong | |
15:53 | it was something related to barcode printing iirc | |
15:53 | kados | I thought it was for the old unix printer |
15:53 | which I'm not sure anyone uses anymore | |
15:54 | grep -r printerConfig.tmpl * | |
15:54 | just shows some po files on my install | |
15:54 | paul | iirc, admin/printer.pl is for the old unix printer |
15:54 | printerConfig was used by the old barcode module | |
15:54 | kados | ahh, right |
15:54 | yea, we can safely remov that I think | |
15:54 | git-rm ++ | |
15:54 | paul | (we can remove both I think...)à |
15:55 | kados | ye |
15:55 | a | |
15:55 | but lets make sure hlt aren't still using printers.pl | |
15:55 | paul | (except we should ask chris about printers.pl) |
15:55 | (that's what I was meaning) | |
15:55 | kados | and if it works, no sense in removing it just because no--one uses it ... someone in the future might want to :-) |
15:59 | I'm confused about the distinction between tools/ and admin/ | |
16:00 | and BTW: ading a printer, queue, and type works OK | |
16:00 | whether it actually _does_ anything is another story :-) | |
16:00 | so tools vs admin? | |
16:00 | paul: do you know the diff? | |
16:01 | paul | tool is for librarian tools, admin is to set up parameters. |
16:01 | printerConfig was related to configuring a printer for PDF generator (barcode) | |
16:01 | it was something like "page size", orientation... | |
16:01 | iirc | |
16:02 | kados | ok, I see now |
16:02 | reservoir, export, news, these are librarian tools | |
16:02 | and the admin stuff is just for the sys admin | |
16:02 | got it | |
16:02 | paul: would you object to changing the name of 'Letters' to 'Notices' ? | |
16:03 | Letters doesn't make much sense in english, we usually say 'Notices' | |
16:03 | paul | not at all. "letters" is a frenchism i'm afraid |
16:03 | you're better in english than me, definetly ;-) | |
16:03 | kados | hehe |
16:05 | and maybe 'News' should be 'Library Blog' ? | |
16:05 | paul | it's not really blogging. |
16:06 | on OPAC, it's more a small tool to inform the users that the library is closed next monday, that books related to X are available,... | |
16:06 | kados | ahh, ok |
16:07 | paul | will appear on OPAC or on librarian interface, depending on the librarian choice |
16:07 | SANOP uses them on librarian interface to announce bugfixing & specific koha-related things. | |
16:07 | kados | why is overdue rules a tool, but circulation rules an admin? |
16:07 | paul | good question... |
16:07 | they should probably be at the same place. | |
16:07 | kados | probably admin IMO |
16:08 | and clean borrowers seems like an admin function too | |
16:08 | and 'Show lost items' is a report, right? | |
16:09 | so shouldn't it go in reports? | |
16:09 | and what about log viewer, isn't that admin function? | |
16:09 | paul | clean borrower = mmm... I don't think it's an admin function. |
16:09 | kados | k |
16:09 | paul | (at least in france, were we have a law specifying the rules) |
16:10 | show lost items : maybe it's a report. In fact, I think we should divide the reports in 2 parts : the lists and the stats | |
16:10 | owen | clean borrowers is not an admin function because it needs to be performed by non-admin users? |
16:10 | kados | we have a new report writer too |
16:10 | paul | log viewer: can be discussed wether it's a tool or an admin. |
16:10 | kados : really, we have ? | |
16:10 | kados | paul: chris is developing it |
16:10 | paul | owen : I think yes |
16:10 | owen | I see |
16:11 | kados | paul: it's a 'guided report wizard' |
16:11 | paul | kados : when will something be commited to git ? |
16:11 | kados | we'll have to check with russ |
16:12 | it's quite nice from what I've seen | |
16:12 | he's working on a 'dictionary' currently | |
16:13 | paul | a dictionary ? |
16:13 | dewey | rumour has it a dictionary is not entirely correct, as you will see |
16:13 | owen | NPL is impatient to see it too ;) |
16:13 | kados | it allows you to define a generic category, and map it to a group of fields in the db |
16:14 | so you can create a category called, for instance, 'young borrowers' and map it to a range of borrower birthdays | |
16:15 | anyway ... | |
16:15 | owen: so we can move Overdue Rules to admin | |
16:15 | and Items Lost shoudl be in reports | |
16:16 | I will volunteer to do it if noone else wants to | |
16:16 | (and re-name Letters to 'Notices') | |
16:16 | owen: should I wait until you push your latest changes, have there been massive updates to tools/ and admin/ templates? | |
16:17 | owen | I just did a lot of commits to Tools and some to Admin |
16:17 | kados | cool, I'll wait then |
16:17 | owen | I can submit patches now if that helps move things along |
16:17 | kados | naw, no rush |
16:18 | I've got plenty to do :-) | |
16:18 | owen | Imagine that. |
16:18 | kados | hehe |
16:18 | one thing I noticed | |
16:18 | is that the tools subnav is a bit different than the tools 'dashboard' | |
16:19 | owen | Thanks, I'll review it |
16:20 | kados | and I was thinking about those dashboards |
16:20 | what I think we should do there | |
16:20 | is have a four column design | |
16:20 | no left-hand panel | |
16:20 | or maybe a three column design | |
16:20 | so we can fit more toolname+description on the page | |
16:20 | owen | that makes sense |
16:23 | kados | each tool could have an icon too if we wanted to get fancy :-) |
16:25 | owen | Add that to your wish list |
16:27 | kados | hehe, yea |
16:31 | paul | kados : i have some commits that could be interesting for owen. |
16:31 | can I send them directly to you ? | |
16:31 | (so you validate them quickly & owen can retrieve them) | |
16:34 | kados | well, Chris is QA |
16:34 | they have to go through him first | |
16:34 | but you can send them to owen separately | |
16:34 | and he can submit to chris | |
16:35 | we're running in distributed mode now, remember? :-) | |
16:36 | paul | owen : mail with some patches sent. |
16:36 | kados : yep, although i'm still a little bit troubled by that ;-) | |
16:39 | kados | heh |
16:39 | bug fixes? | |
16:40 | paul | member editing + a hardcoded CPL branch in some templates |
16:40 | kados | CPL? |
16:40 | ahh, removing CPL you mean? | |
16:40 | paul | yes, I really don't know what it means. It was written <input type=hidden name="branch" value="CPL"> |
16:41 | owen | Ah, a badly-done cut and paste on my part |
16:41 | paul | probably ;-) |
16:41 | owen | Should have had a <!-- TMPL_VAR --> instead, sorry. |
16:41 | paul | the patch fixed that owen |
16:41 | the patch fixes that owen | |
16:41 | the patch fix that owen (is the correct way to write it isn't it ?) | |
16:42 | owen | #2 is correct |
16:47 | paul_away | see you tomorrow world |
17:40 | kados | scarry, I'm almost caught up with my todo list |
17:41 | that never happens :-) | |
18:05 | owen: I've seen the light w/respect to virtual shelves btw | |
18:05 | owen | Shine it on me, man |
18:06 | kados | well, we need to re-implement them, and the book bag |
18:06 | basically merge the two, plus add some new features | |
18:06 | rather than have 'types' of virtual shelves, we should have them owned by a user and make them 'sharable' to individuals or globally | |
18:07 | and we should rename them to something like 'Lists' | |
18:07 | 'my lists' or something | |
18:07 | cuz the're not really shelves in the first place :-) | |
18:08 | and the staff ones could be 'staff picks' | |
18:09 | basically the idea is good, but we need to expand it a bit | |
18:10 | owen | Sounds good to me. Is this what happens when you finish your todo list? |
18:12 | kados | hehe |
18:12 | well, I don't have time to work on that unfortunately, I just noticed the thread on NPL's forums | |
18:13 | but we do have a customer who's going to be sponsoring this work in early 08 | |
18:17 | jaron | liblime customers who sponsor changes I like++ :) |
18:18 | kados | hehe, me too :-) |
18:18 | staying_in_business++ :-) | |
18:54 | johnb | Kados you around? |
18:54 | kados | johnb: sure am |
18:55 | johnb | At ALA we talked about a way to take the fuzziness out of the Intranet side of things? |
18:55 | kados | right, I think I gave cindy that info |
18:56 | no luck with it yet? | |
18:56 | johnb | Well, it worked but we lost sorting:( |
18:57 | kados | hmmm |
18:57 | johnb | My librarians really want it and frankly I do too |
18:57 | I know this will take time and time is money | |
18:58 | If you could give this some thought and get abck to me | |
18:58 | sorry back | |
18:58 | kados | well I'll have to look at what cindy changed to figure out what happened to sorting |
18:58 | which I'd be happy to do | |
18:58 | johnb | The other thing is John H. from Pailnet stoped by last week |
18:59 | Please forgive spelling | |
19:04 | kados | *nod* |
19:06 | johnb | We talked about setting up a vm version of dev week |
19:07 | Cindy is with me and said she will try again with you instructions concerning the sorting she is muttering something about we're running a new version of zebra | |
19:08 | kados | ok, sounds good |
19:09 | johnb | Thans, Kados |
19:09 | I can't even spell thanks | |
19:09 | kados | :) |
19:38 | owen | kados those patches that paul sent me: none of them applied |
19:38 | I'm pretty vague about the whole patch process, so I'm not sure what to do about it | |
19:42 | kados | owen: right |
19:42 | ok, so don't worry abotu them | |
19:42 | paul can submit to chris I'd say | |
19:43 | owen | Fair enough. |
19:43 | kados | owen: I assumed you checked everything in before the attempt? |
19:43 | owen | yes |
19:43 | kados | if so, you can clean up by just doing a fresh checkout with -f for that branch |
19:43 | owen | Why would I need a fresh checkout? |
19:44 | Because of possible conflicts with my unapproved changes? | |
19:44 | kados | I guess if there were conflicts you might want to start fresh |
19:44 | but if you didn't even get that far, I think everything's in the .dotest dir | |
19:44 | so you can just delete that | |
19:44 | chris: that sound right? | |
19:45 | owen: so that virtual shelves script is exiting after get_template_and_user, it's weird | |
20:03 | chris | yep |
00:41 | Brooke | hola hola! |
00:42 | kados | hey Brooke |
00:43 | Brooke: I've got some good news for you :-) | |
00:43 | Brooke | oooooh |
00:43 | spill it | |
00:43 | kados | chris and russ finished the integrated help writer on Friday |
00:43 | you wanna try it out? | |
00:43 | Brooke | sure why not? |
00:44 | chris | i think the v3 might still be broken :( or have you fixed it joshua? |
00:44 | kados | k, sec and I'll get you creds |
00:44 | chris: it was working for me earlier | |
00:44 | chris | (by broken i mean uninstalled ) |
00:44 | kados | yea, I'll just give her my one |
00:45 | chris | cool |
00:55 | heya dan | |
00:55 | dbs | Hi chris |
00:55 | Another late night... sigh | |
00:56 | [K] | *** join #kohaFreeNode: rangi n=nnchris203.118.134.114 |
00:56 | chris | whats keeping you up tonight? |
00:58 | dbs | Prepping for a faculty meeting tomorrow; I have three or four different agenda items to present on. Sigh. |
00:58 | chris | ahh meetings |
00:59 | thinkgeek has a great poster about them | |
01:00 | dbs | On the bright side: I'll be hiring a good student who will be able to give me ten hours/week of support |
01:00 | chris | http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/posters/5cd9/ |
01:00 | oh excellent | |
01:01 | dbs | Hey - am I blind? Who wrote http://blogs.liblime.com/open-[…]a-zoom-stacks-up/ |
01:01 | chris | tina |
01:01 | dbs | Ah, okay |
01:01 | Karen's comments on feedback from spellcheck looked very familiar | |
01:02 | lol - great poster | |
01:03 | chris | working lists would be cool |
01:04 | shouldnt be too hard to add, we do pretty decent session handling, so it would be just adding to that | |
01:05 | dbs | hah |
01:05 | moi aussi | |
07:22 | hdl | chris around ? |
07:33 | chris | yep hdl |
07:38 | paul | chris : did you recieve my patches about systempreferences ? |
07:38 | I don't know why it doesn't apply... | |
07:38 | chris | i got an email, it only had one file attached |
07:38 | is that right? | |
07:38 | paul | nope, should have 2 |
07:38 | (1 .sql, 1 .txt) | |
07:38 | sending it again... | |
07:39 | chris | cool |
07:39 | paul | sent |
07:40 | chris | weird seems to just be the sql |
07:40 | paul | the .txt is very small (2 or 3 lines) |
07:41 | chris | i wonder if the mailserver is mashing it, can you try sending it to chrisbigballofwax.co.nz |
07:41 | paul | done |
07:42 | chris | Ce fichier contient la definition des preferences systemes pour une installation UNIMARC en Francais. |
07:42 | is that the text? | |
07:42 | paul | yep |
07:43 | chris | ok and what file does that go in? |
07:44 | unimarc_standard_systemprefs.txt ? | |
07:44 | paul | chris : joshua told me you were working on a new report wizard too. Anything to show ? |
07:44 | yes. | |
07:44 | chris | not really yet, should have something to show by the end of the week though |
07:45 | :) | |
07:53 | ok, committed and pushed up to joshuas repository | |
08:30 | http://dfiji.blogspot.com/2007[…]ive-in-samoa.html |
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