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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:37 | Brooke | howdy |
| 13:41 | slef | hi |
| 13:44 | paul | hi slef : could you summarize the status of the installer ? (what works & what it does) |
| 13:45 | slef | it checks dependencies (and installs if you run it via install-CPAN.pl) and moves files about |
| 13:45 | I'm just committing the bit that generates configuration files. | |
| 13:45 | Next I'll write the INSTALL | |
| 13:46 | paul | so it's almost here ? |
| 13:46 | slef | yes, there's "only" the debugging to do |
| 13:46 | Have you done $C4::Context::VERSION? | |
| 13:47 | paul | nope. with all database discussions, i've delayed that, to fix everything at the same time |
| 13:47 | slef | I'll do it - I need it... what is current release number? 3.000.000_0001? |
| 13:48 | 3.00.00.002 | |
| 13:48 | I was close ;-) | |
| 15:08 | paul: latest installer work is available in http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/koha-installer/ | |
| 15:29 | Brooke | hi dbs |
| 15:29 | dbs | Hello Brooke |
| 15:29 | Brooke | :) |
| 16:06 | kados | slef: you workin on the installer today? |
| 16:07 | slef: so are you giving the user an option for install location, or just using /opt/koha or sth? | |
| 16:24 | slef | kados: optional (set PREFIX, BASE_DIR and other common handy environment variables) |
| 16:24 | (was on phone) | |
| 16:37 | Brooke | hi tim |
| 16:38 | tim | Hi Brooke |
| 16:38 | Brooke | :) |
| 16:38 | slef | kados: what would be clever would be if rewrite-config.PL could see the value of PREFIX, which it doesn't seem to be able to, hence you have to set BASE_DIR too :-/ |
| 16:39 | tim | I have a problem that started today and I can't figure it out. It might not be a Koha problem, but it's sure making it slow. |
| 16:40 | I'm getting 99% CPU usage on the server and can't find any processes that are causing it. | |
| 16:40 | slef | looked in top? |
| 16:40 | otherwise, what's the server? | |
| 16:41 | (operating system, hosting package, or whatever) | |
| 16:57 | kados | slef: so in the original installer, I had the option to specifiy a desired location for htdocs and cgi-bin for both interfaces |
| 16:57 | slef: are you saying I'd have to edit a config file to get that functionality now? | |
| 16:59 | tim | Looked on top. OS=Debian Sarge. 1.8GHz Celeron, 1G RAM |
| 16:59 | slef | kados: no, just put it on the command line |
| 16:59 | kados: erm | |
| 16:59 | kados | so no more dialog when running the installer? |
| 16:59 | slef | kados: actually, that particular split would require a config file edit and moving the files around yourself |
| 17:00 | kados | suxor |
| 17:00 | I'd say that's a pretty important issues that needs to be addressed | |
| 17:00 | at least IMO | |
| 17:00 | because we've got people who want to install multiple versions of Koha on the same box | |
| 17:00 | slef | having 1001 different koha tree layouts is a problem |
| 17:00 | kados | why's that? |
| 17:00 | slef | so they just put them under different PREFIX or INST_* setups |
| 17:01 | kados: complexity in the installer | |
| 17:01 | kados | I guess we could have a wrapper install script that did all the stuff you're doing in an automated fashio |
| 17:01 | slef | kados: multiple kohas with the old installer meant setting environment variables anyway IIRC |
| 17:01 | kados | n |
| 17:02 | slef | yes, can have lots of wrappers, but need the basic non-interactive FHS-compliant perl/CPAN-friendly installer first |
| 17:02 | kados | 100% agree |
| 17:02 | slef | phone again |
| 17:02 | kados | slef++ |
| 17:10 | slef | back |
| 17:10 | one of the problems on the 2.2 installer, IMO, was the number of questions | |
| 17:11 | kados | agreed |
| 17:11 | slef | 3.0 installer asks nothing and uses whatever half-sane defaults I |
| 17:11 | could figure out how to obtain | |
| 17:11 | kados | part of that is fixed by moving them to the web installer |
| 17:11 | ok, that works | |
| 17:11 | so long as I can write a wrapper later that allows some dialog | |
| 17:12 | ie, where there could be choices, I should be able to make choices | |
| 17:12 | slef | many of them can be overridden, by passing environment variables to either MakeMaker or through |
| 17:12 | rewrite-config.PL | |
| 17:12 | kados | yea, the env var is the wy to go IMO |
| 17:12 | slef | Have you see Havoc's rant against choices? |
| 17:12 | kados | that way I can ask questions, then set the env vars based on that, then go do it |
| 17:12 | no | |
| 17:12 | but I agree | |
| 17:12 | I just know that some choices are going to be necessary | |
| 17:13 | maybe not for 90% of the people installing | |
| 17:13 | but there will always be a few that want to set things up a certain way | |
| 17:13 | slef | "Havoc Pennington is a bright enough fellow, but I think he's got |
| 17:13 | issues." hehe | |
| 17:13 | well, can 10% cope with putting them on the command-line or tweaking their install after the installer's finished? | |
| 17:14 | kados | don't thikn so |
| 17:14 | so we write a wrapper | |
| 17:14 | but your thing comes first | |
| 17:14 | so as long as you use env variables where there shoudl be choices, and use a config r something to set defaults, well be golden | |
| 17:14 | slef | I've passed a tarball dev release to pray for him to try. |
| 17:19 | Brooke | I know I'll be shot on sight for this, but if it's really that large, can there be 2 installers? One no choice and one customiseable? |
| 17:19 | slef | *BANG* |
| 17:20 | Brooke | Shooting me just makes Ugh mad. |
| 17:20 | slef | Seriously, the installer has lots of choices, but sane defaults and just won't ask you about it. |
| 17:20 | you can tell it if you want a different choice and it shouldn't be hard to write a "question everything" wrapper | |
| 17:21 | Brooke | question everything, trust no one, who's counting *duck* |
| 17:21 | slef | http://ometer.com/features.html |
| 17:22 | http://ometer.com/free-software-ui.html under "The Question of Preferences" | |
| 17:22 | is a better reference | |
| 17:23 | Brooke | *nod* |
| 17:24 | I'm gonna jet, too | |
| 17:31 | tim | Killed MySQL and CPU went down to nothing. Started it up again and it's ok so far, but hasn't been used. |
| 17:33 | slef | tim: check your mysql logs, but that's fiddly. Did you see what state the mysql daemon was in? If D, then it may be a filesystem fault. |
| 17:33 | but actually, D won't usually push the CPU up until it's almost unrecoverable | |
| 17:33 | so I don't know | |
| 17:33 | increase your monitoring and cross your fingers | |
| 17:35 | tim | Thanks. It's strange because we didn't have this problem before and it's been under lots heavier use than this. |
| 17:39 | cm | kados, are you around? I'm puzzling over my title search problem. |
| 17:51 | ryan | win 3 |
| 17:51 | slef | lose 99 |
| 18:59 | tim | This is strange. I killed MySQL and CPU usage dropped. Restarted it and it was fine till we try to add a biblio record. Then CPU is back to 99%. |
| 19:00 | top doesn't show any processes using that much CPU. | |
| 19:54 | thd` | ryan: ping |
| 19:55 | thd | tim: how had you measured your 99% CPU usage? |
| 19:58 | tim | Just with top |
| 22:09 | apeiron | whois apeiron |
| 22:09 | whoops. | |
| 23:09 | MattNZ | Hey guys |
| 23:10 | chris | hey matt |
| 23:10 | rach | hello |
| 23:10 | MattNZ | Just looking at Koha for the first time, just trying to get my head around it all.... |
| 23:10 | how long have you guys been using it? what do you like about it? | |
| 23:11 | chris | you are probably best to ask that question on the mailing list |
| 23:11 | mostly developers on irc | |
| 23:11 | MattNZ | Do you know what development support fees are generally? |
| 23:12 | chris | it depends entirely on who is doing your support and what level of support you need |
| 23:12 | MattNZ | ok, fair enough |
| 23:12 | So where are you based? | |
| 23:13 | chris | im in wellington |
| 23:13 | you? | |
| 23:13 | MattNZ | Christchurch |
| 23:13 | chris | i work for liblime, who do a bunch of support and development around Koha, here in NZ and in the US |
| 23:14 | MattNZ | Do you charge hourly, yearly ? for support / development |
| 23:15 | chris | its pretty flexible, we have some kinda set deals, they are based around yearly |
| 23:15 | you probably want to talk to Russel he knows all that kinda stuff :) | |
| 23:15 | MattNZ | Do you have these set deals published anywhere that you know of? :) |
| 23:15 | chris | lemme ask, 2 secs |
| 23:16 | kados | we don't |
| 23:16 | MattNZ: http://liblime.com/about/quote | |
| 23:16 | someone will contact you if you submit that form | |
| 23:16 | MattNZ | thanks |
| 23:18 | How do you find the support of Koha? are most queries just user knowledge? or software issues? | |
| 23:18 | kados | a lot of feature requests |
| 23:19 | chris | lots of user knowledge one toos, though people tend to ask those ones on teh mailing lists |
| 23:19 | kados | yea |
| 23:19 | chris | customising/changing features to work in a way a client wants is often a big part |
| 23:20 | MattNZ | fair enough, being open source I guess the user can implement these functions themselves? |
| 23:20 | chris | yep sure can |
| 23:21 | MattNZ | I know there are lots of library systems out there, other than the open source thing what would you say is the major benefit of koha (just in your experience)? |
| 23:22 | chris | well, the opac of the latest version, and koha zoom, is probably better than any opac ive seen |
| 23:22 | MattNZ | do you have this online ? I would like to take a look |
| 23:22 | chris | that stems from the fact that the development is steered by libraries/librarians ... not by marketing teams :-) |
| 23:23 | MattNZ | yeah, fair enough... do you happen to know any live sites using this opac / koha zoom? that I could take a look at? |
| 23:23 | chris | there are ton of libraries using koha, ill find one using koha zoom for ya now |
| 23:24 | MattNZ | thanks |
| 23:24 | chris | http://search.athenscounty.lib[…]koha/opac-main.pl |
| 23:24 | http://www.rangitikeilibrary.org.nz/ <-- koha classic | |
| 23:24 | or www.library.org.nz <-- koha classic too | |
| 23:25 | MattNZ | great! thanks |
| 23:25 | chris | http://opac.smfpl.org/ <-- theres another zoom one |
| 23:25 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?id=kohausers <-- some of the libraries we know that are using koha | |
| 23:26 | heres a neat thing you can do in zoom | |
| 23:27 | http://search.athenscounty.lib.oh.us/search?q=the | |
| 23:27 | find the album called 'the' by macy gray | |
| 23:28 | MattNZ | ok, found it |
| 23:28 | chris | (its a pet peeve of mine, i know the wellington city library has albums by 'the the' .. but i cant find them in the catalogue) |
| 23:29 | because the is a stop word | |
| 23:29 | and stripped from the searches | |
| 23:29 | MattNZ | ok, cool |
| 23:29 | does it do video, audio attachments? | |
| 23:30 | chris | yep can do |
| 23:30 | you just have to add the link to them when you catalogue an item | |
| 23:30 | MattNZ | to an electronic file? is this stored in the database? or just a link? |
| 23:32 | chris | you could store it in the db if you want, but its best usually using some content management system to manage those type and file,s and just provide a link to them in the catalogue |
| 23:33 | MattNZ | ok |
| 23:33 | certainly looks interesting | |
| 23:33 | how long would it have taken to set up the web interface like the athens one? | |
| 23:34 | chris | kados would know the answer to that one, not long i dont think, thats pretty close to the standard templates that come with zoom i think |
| 23:34 | that right kados? | |
| 23:35 | hmm its 7.30pm where he is, he might have gone to eat :) | |
| 23:36 | MattNZ | ok, lol |
| 23:40 | so is koha zoom something you can download or do you have to buy this component? | |
| 23:41 | chris | you can download, but its very tricky to get going, koha 3.0 will have the features of zoom, but be much easier to install |
| 23:41 | thats what we are working on now | |
| 23:42 | MattNZ | ahhh I see |
| 23:42 | are there detailed instructions on how to get it going with 2.28 that you know of? | |
| 23:43 | chris | yeah they are a bit out of date though, but what there are is at |
| 23:43 | http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]ingzebraplugin226 | |
| 23:44 | MattNZ | thanks |
| 23:45 | oh well, thanks for your help... I will go have a play.... may come back if I can't get things working, lol | |
| 23:46 | chris | cool |
| 23:49 | cht | hi folks |
| 23:49 | chris | hi chris |
| 23:50 | cht | its been a while since i've been in here |
| 23:50 | but, as always, i'm here for a reason :) | |
| 23:51 | chris | :) |
| 23:51 | cht | i'm trying to load the marc data for npl in samoa but... |
| 23:52 | the bulkmarcload.pl gives me the following: | |
| 23:52 | Can't locate object method "ignore_errors" via package "MARC::Charset" at ... line 24 | |
| 23:54 | that should have been bulkmarkimport.pl, sorry | |
| 23:54 | any ideas? | |
| 23:55 | i'm thinking, comment line 24 out and see what happens :) | |
| 23:56 | chris | hmmm |
| 23:56 | yeah worth a shot | |
| 23:56 | i suspect MARC::Charset has changed since that script was written | |
| 23:58 | cht | wish me luck! ;) |
| 23:58 | chris | good luck :) |
| 23:59 | cht | sigh... |
| 23:59 | it looks like MARC::Record has dropped the encoding method used at line 218 | |
| 00:03 | chris | ahh, i wonder if theree is a newer bulkmarcimport in git |
| 00:03 | lemme look | |
| 00:06 | cht | it looks like bulkmarcimport.pl uses the encoding method in at least three places, some of which are important |
| 00:06 | chris | http://git.koha.org/cgi-bin/gi[…]4a54ff2af1b44319e |
| 00:07 | is the latest version i can find | |
| 00:08 | cht | i see the the MARC::Charset on line 24 is commented out :) |
| 00:10 | and the encoding method of MARC::Record is only called once on line 149 and looks easy to comment out | |
| 00:11 | chris | hmmm |
| 00:11 | what version of MARC::Record do you hve installed | |
| 00:12 | masonj | hmmm |
| 00:13 | just my 2 cents, ive been using a similar version of bulkmarcimport.pl | |
| 00:13 | with the 'MARC::Charset->ignore_errors(1);' uncommented , and hasnt been grizzling | |
| 00:15 | i wonder if certain versions of M::Charset dont like/use that sub? | |
| 00:15 | chris | bound to be |
| 00:16 | cht | sorry - i'm back |
| 00:16 | whats the best way to check the M:Record version? | |
| 00:17 | dbs | perldoc MARC::Record |
| 00:17 | gives you a version under the second heading | |
| 00:19 | cht | MARC::Recod 1.38 |
| 00:19 | chris | ahh |
| 00:19 | its up to 2.0.0 now | |
| 00:19 | cht | oh! |
| 00:20 | chris | i reckon upgrading marc::record will fix the issue with the encoding (which you want fixed, badly encoded records = nightmare) |
| 00:20 | cht | i wonder if it will compile under debian etch? |
| 00:20 | masonj | yeah, it should |
| 00:20 | chris | yeah, i installed it on debian just yesterday |
| 00:20 | with CPAN | |
| 00:21 | cht | ok |
| 00:21 | masonj | FYI: my ignore_errors(1) friendly M::Charset version is 0.97 |
| 00:22 | cht | i just have to wait for the CPAN module to navigate usp's proxy server |
| 00:22 | masonj | with M::Record 2.0.0 |
| 00:22 | chris | proxies arent fun |
| 00:23 | cht | while this tries to run, i'm gunna grab some lunch |
| 00:23 | i will report back in a while :) | |
| 00:23 | masonj | cool, cya then |
| 00:23 | cht | geez i use too many smileys |
| 00:23 | chris | its cos u are in friendly fiji |
| 00:44 | Brooke | yo |
| 00:44 | chris | hi brooke |
| 00:44 | Brooke | \/\/00+ chris is up :) |
| 00:44 | chris | heh |
| 00:46 | kados | hey chris if you're bored, I think selectbranchprinter.pl is still busted |
| 00:46 | :-) | |
| 00:46 | I think it must use the old sessions stuff or sth | |
| 00:46 | chris | ill go look, this is 3.0 right? |
| 00:46 | kados | but basically, if you change branches, it doesn't save that choice properly |
| 00:46 | yea | |
| 00:46 | chris | ill take a look now |
| 00:46 | kados | the login one works fine |
| 00:47 | so prolly a copy/paste job would do it | |
| 01:05 | cht | ok, i updated both MARC::Record and Charset off od CPAN with no trouble and bulkmarkimport.pl (the original version) is now running against about 45,000 records |
| 01:27 | thx kados! | |
| 01:28 | dum dee dum... CPU at 100%... mysql at the top of the process list... i guess that's a good sign ;-) | |
| 02:08 | thd | chris: I have a question about submitting compressed git patches. |
| 02:08 | chris | yep |
| 02:10 | cht | unrelated question: are there any other opac or intranet templates available anywhere? |
| 02:10 | thd | chris: I have submitted several patches to patches at koha.org but only one patch which did not depend on previous compressed patches ever made it into the main repository. |
| 02:11 | chris | not really cht, the idea was that contribs.koha.org would be a place to put them but no one really has yet |
| 02:11 | hmmm, i wonder if the mail server ate them | |
| 02:12 | thd | chris: the very first patch I submitted is now irrelevant but all the others are still relevant. |
| 02:12 | chris | can u remmebr the commit lines |
| 02:12 | thd | chris: what do you mean by commit lines? |
| 02:13 | chris | Major change switching Koha record ID from field 090 to 999 |
| 02:13 | thd | that is one |
| 02:13 | chris | ok what was the irrelevant one? |
| 02:13 | thd | no that was one of the last ones |
| 02:17 | chris: the irrelevant one is "Corrected internal versioning and treatment of authority types" from 21 August. | |
| 02:18 | chris | ok ill go hunting for the others and try to reapply them |
| 02:18 | thd | chris: I updated git subsequent to submitting the next batch of patches so their should be no dependency on the first one. |
| 02:19 | chris | k |
| 02:20 | 0001-Major-change-switching-Koha-record-ID-from-field-090.patch | |
| 02:20 | didnt apply | |
| 02:20 | error: misc/marc21_simple_bib_frameworks.sql: does not exist in index | |
| 02:20 | ill have a look at it to see why | |
| 02:20 | thd | chris: "Correcting authoritytypecode values" was the first in a set of sequential patches from 24 August. |
| 02:21 | chris: "Correcting fields and subfields included in authority frameworks" is second. | |
| 02:22 | chris | hmm right ill try applying them in that order |
| 02:22 | thd | chris: "Adding custom authority frameworks" is third. |
| 02:23 | chris | first 2 applied ok |
| 02:23 | doing the 3rd one now | |
| 02:23 | thd | chris: "Correcting custom authority frameworks installation instructions" is forth. |
| 02:24 | chris: "Major MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks change" is fifth and last so far. | |
| 02:24 | chris | first 3 applied and pushed up to the rm repo |
| 02:25 | thd | chris: the only issue I noticed was that git would give a warning about the trailing white space in some of my comment lines. |
| 02:26 | chris | yeah it doesnt like trailing whitespace |
| 02:26 | but its just a warning | |
| 02:27 | ok that Major one still doesnt want to apply clean | |
| 02:27 | ill take a look | |
| 02:27 | the rest all applied fine | |
| 02:27 | thd | chris: I could fix the trailing white space in my comments in future to avoid confusing diff but the amount of white space is not a serious issue presently. |
| 02:28 | cht | folks: where is the item type supposed to go? 942 subfield something? |
| 02:29 | thd | cht: that sounds right if you mean the internal Koha SQL column. |
| 02:30 | chris | sorted and pushed up, so when joshua has checked it, should all appear on git.koha.org thd |
| 02:30 | thd | chris: what was the problem with the last one? |
| 02:31 | chris | misc/marc21_standard_bib_framework.sql and the simple one didnt exist, so i just git added them and it was happy |
| 02:32 | thd | chris: were they moved or something? |
| 02:33 | chris | could be, seems all happy now tho, so just check it when it appears at git.koha.org |
| 02:34 | thd | chris: I would have thought that some of the other patches had a dependency on those files but I guess I will check the final status to see that it all went well |
| 02:36 | chris: can file additions not be included in a patch? | |
| 02:36 | chris | yep they can |
| 02:36 | im not sure why it didnt like them, but its happy now | |
| 02:36 | thd | I guess I ma happy if git is happy :) |
| 02:37 | chris | the messages had got caught by my filters as they didnt have the [PATCH] text in them, so i didnt spot them |
| 02:38 | (get so much spam to the @koha.org addresses) | |
| 02:38 | thd | chris: should subject line should include [PATCH]? |
| 02:38 | chris | thats what git send email does, so i have a filter that spots them |
| 02:38 | thd | when I send patch messages? |
| 02:39 | chris | yeah that would be handy |
| 02:39 | thd | chris: I have not been using git to send them because I have to compress to many of them before sending. |
| 02:40 | chris: I cannot send a 22-25 MB frameworks patch over my mail system | |
| 02:41 | chris | yeah fair enough, if you put PATCH onthe subject line itll make it easier to spot |
| 02:41 | and we should be all good | |
| 02:41 | gzipped is fined, i just didnt spot them | |
| 02:43 | thd | cht: biblioitems.itemtype is in 942 $c by default for the Koha MARC 21 bibliographic frameworks |
| 02:50 | cht | thd: perfect, thx |
| 02:53 | one more question... i loaded the data before i set the item types, which is something that chris told me not to do... | |
| 02:53 | do i need to set the item types and then do a fresh reload or can i just enter the items types now? | |
| 02:53 | chris | you can just enter them now, that should be ok |
| 02:56 | cht | k |
| 02:59 | oops. i forgot about the 4 char limit on the item type - i guess i will have to reload after all | |
| 07:03 | paul__ | World Rugby Cup begins today in France |
| 07:09 | chris | yes, im watching interviews live in marseille |
| 07:09 | i didnt see you though :) | |
| 07:09 | paul | ;-) |
| 07:09 | chris | saw zidane kicking a rugby ball |
| 07:10 | paul | yes, we have some ads with Zizou and F. Galtier speaking of sport |
| 07:10 | chris | hehe |
| 07:10 | 12 hours till kickoff | |
| 07:11 | paul | the rugby man explaining to Zizou that the Rugby ball is oval and the rules differents (give the ball behind you to advance :-D ), but the sport spirit is the same |
| 07:11 | or something like that | |
| 07:11 | chris | :-) |
| 07:11 | masonj | but keeps it nearby.... |
| 07:11 | chris | the bar in marseille where russel and I had dinner with HDL was in the newspaper here today |
| 07:12 | being the only rugby bar in marseille | |
| 07:12 | paul | of course : Marseille is THE soccer city in France. |
| 07:13 | chris | http://oregonstate.edu/~reeset/blog/archives/448 |
| 07:13 | hdl | and zizou being badly hit by a quarterback. |
| 07:13 | chris | new marcedit |
| 07:13 | paul | (even our new bishop said when he arrived last year : "I come from a Rugby city, but i'm happy to discover a soccer city" ;-) ) |
| 07:13 | chris | hi hdl |
| 07:13 | hehe | |
| 07:14 | hdl | hi chris |
| 07:15 | Marcedit still relies on .net :S | |
| 07:15 | chris | yeah, but it should work with MONO |
| 07:16 | i havent tried it though | |
| 07:16 | hdl | I tried on a windows engine. |
| 07:16 | But it was quite slow. | |
| 07:16 | chris | right |
| 07:17 | hdl | (.net on windows 2000 professional) |
| 07:22 | paul | chris, a git question... |
| 07:22 | chris | yes |
| 07:22 | paul | we did some tests with hdl, and I have something like 10+ commits on my repo. |
| 07:22 | chris | yep |
| 07:22 | paul | something like 3-4 of them are "useless" and you don't need to apply them on official repo |
| 07:22 | chris | right |
| 07:22 | paul | how to tell git "OK, forget those ones" |
| 07:23 | chris | i dont think you can, but you can tell git which ones you want to make patches for |
| 07:23 | paul | (of course, they are mixed with useful ones. For example A-B-C-D-E-F : B, C and E are useless) |
| 07:24 | right, but they will still appear on my branch. And a .patch file file will be generated each time I git-format-patch | |
| 07:24 | right ? | |
| 07:24 | chris | yes unless you tell format patch to ignore them |
| 07:24 | im just looking how to do that | |
| 07:26 | --ignore-if-in-upstream | |
| 07:26 | Do not include a patch that matches a commit in <until>..<since>. This will examine all patches reachable from <since> but not from <until> and compare them with the patches being generated, and any patch that matches is ignored. | |
| 07:26 | maybe that .. but im not sure | |
| 07:26 | there must be some way to do it, people must have run into this before | |
| 08:28 | slef | hi |
| 08:28 | chris: about? | |
| 08:58 | paul | hi slef |
| 09:03 | chris | am now |
| 09:41 | slef | chris: sorry, was on phone (50 minutes!) |
| 09:41 | chris: still there? I've got a FHS patch to the installer which might actually get us a working and half-sane tarball | |
| 09:44 | chris | cool :) |
| 09:44 | slef | I'll email it in now, as you're around, instead of waiting for pray to test |
| 09:44 | chris | cool, ill take a look and apply it and push it up to the RM repo, and joshua can push it out when he wakes up |
| 09:45 | slef | you have mil |
| 09:45 | anyone else, the patches are on serene | |
| 09:46 | serene is http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/ | |
| 09:46 | serene? | |
| 09:46 | dewey | serene is http://serene.ttllp.co.uk/~mjr/ |
| 09:47 | chris | sweet that looks good |
| 09:48 | done | |
| 09:49 | slef | not 100% sure about it, as I've not found anyone doing this the same way yet |
| 09:49 | chris | right |
| 09:49 | slef | but then, installation of perl webapps seems to be as neat as a bag of cats |
| 09:49 | chris | yeah, everyone seems to do it differently |
| 09:50 | slef | some people like Module::Install, some like PAR, so I'm staying with MakeMaker for now because it's everywhere |
| 09:50 | chris | right |
| 09:54 | that tarball looks pretty deent | |
| 09:55 | decent too | |
| 09:55 | slef | beware: it will splatter /usr if you don't give it a PREFIX on both Makefile.PL and make |
| 09:55 | chris | ahh right |
| 09:55 | slef | but most people seem to like to splatter /usr with koha - strange people ;-) |
| 09:56 | chris | hehe |
| 09:56 | slef | perl Makefile.PL 'PREFIX=/tmp/koha' |
| 09:56 | PREFIX=/tmp/koha make install | |
| 09:56 | chris | good way to test |
| 09:57 | slef | for testing... looks sane... not been brave enough to try install-CPAN.pl on my main coding system yet! |
| 09:57 | chris | ill have a try on that, and see what happens :) |
| 09:58 | slef | I've not tried yet, but you may even be able to dh-make-perl the tarball |
| 09:58 | that's the eventual plan... probably needs debugging | |
| 10:09 | chris | seems to be working |
| 10:11 | at least its installing a pile of modules from cpan | |
| 10:11 | (was a fresh debian etch so its needing to install all the modules) | |
| 10:13 | slef | cool |
| 10:13 | did you install mysql and zebra first, like in the README? | |
| 10:13 | ;-) | |
| 10:13 | chris | yep |
| 10:13 | slef | good man! You are a rare hacker, RTFMing |
| 10:14 | chris | heh i even read the install-CPAN.pl to figure out how to run it |
| 10:14 | i think if its a fresh cpan | |
| 10:14 | we need one more mkdir | |
| 10:14 | to make the id dir .. before we make id/K | |
| 10:14 | slef | fresh = unused? |
| 10:14 | chris | yeah, unconfigured CPAN |
| 10:15 | slef | ah, that doesn't happen during configuration? |
| 10:15 | chris | it makes author |
| 10:15 | slef | You need to have configured CPAN |
| 10:15 | chris | but not author/id |
| 10:15 | slef | ok, shall I add and send-email? |
| 10:15 | chris | that would be cool |
| 10:22 | slef | done |
| 10:22 | chris | sweet, ill apply then i might head to bed, gotta be up early for the first game of the rugby world cup in the morning |
| 10:23 | slef | I was wondering about going to watch that at the local cinema... not sure I'll bother |
| 10:23 | chris | luckily kahurangi will wake me up, he never sleeps past 6am |
| 10:23 | slef | I think I have 4 free tickets |
| 10:23 | ultimate big screen sport ;-) | |
| 10:23 | no beer, though | |
| 10:23 | chris | to the france vs argentina game? |
| 10:23 | slef | no, to RWC @ cinema |
| 10:23 | chris | ahh :) |
| 10:23 | slef | I think it's 4 for all matches |
| 10:23 | chris | sweet |
| 10:24 | slef | after that, you have to pay... no idea what |
| 10:24 | as in 4 for the tournament | |
| 10:24 | chris | shame about the no beer rule |
| 10:24 | slef | no every match |
| 10:24 | rugby+beer+steeply raked seats? sounds dangerous ;-) | |
| 10:24 | chris | hehe |
| 10:26 | slef | I think I'm only going to report phishing emails for banks I like from now on. |
| 10:26 | It's too much work, otherwise. | |
| 10:26 | chris | yeah there are so many of them |
| 10:27 | slef | I already only report UK ones because I know the unified reporting system for them. |
| 10:27 | chris | right applied and pushed, time for some sleep |
| 10:27 | thanks for working on the installer | |
| 10:27 | slef | no probs, enjoy your snooze |
| 10:27 | oh, did it work? | |
| 10:27 | chris | its still cpanning :) |
| 10:28 | ill let you know tomorrow | |
| 10:28 | slef | ok, voyons! |
| 10:39 | kados | morning all |
| 10:39 | slef | morning... I shouldn't still be in this office :-/ |
| 10:40 | kados | slef++ # installer progress |
| 10:46 | slef | be interesting to see what chris's test turns up |
| 10:52 | kados | definitely |
| 11:09 | hdl | hi kados |
| 11:31 | kados | hey hdl |
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