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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 13:17 | kados | hey jaron |
| 13:17 | jaron: got a sec? I've got a question about keystroke behavior in your marc editor | |
| 13:18 | jaron | one sec... |
| 13:18 | kados | sure |
| 13:19 | jaron | ok, what's up? |
| 13:19 | kados | I'm basically just wondering what the rules should be for tab / enter in various contexts |
| 13:19 | so maybe tab between subfields, then to the next line, field indicators, subfields ? | |
| 13:19 | enter to create a new field? | |
| 13:20 | ctrl-sth to create a new subfield ? | |
| 13:20 | jaron | I see. |
| 13:20 | right off the top of my head | |
| 13:21 | my marc editor right now is vim :) | |
| 13:21 | kados | really? |
| 13:21 | not binary MARC though | |
| 13:21 | jaron | yeah, I use yaz-marcdump to put it in line format and then convert it back |
| 13:21 | kados | gotcha |
| 13:22 | jaron | but I do like vim style home key stuff over emacs ctrl-x stuff, but that's just me |
| 13:23 | but I also know that most folks don't get that and wouldn't work for the kind of one mode editor you're dealing with | |
| 13:23 | kados | *nod* |
| 13:23 | jaron | is this for that summer of code marc editor? |
| 13:23 | kados | yep |
| 13:24 | jaron | are you breaking up subfields or leaving them all in one text box per field? |
| 13:24 | kados | they're broken up |
| 13:24 | into delimiter and value | |
| 13:24 | by spans I think | |
| 13:25 | jaron | ah, ok |
| 13:25 | kados | foxnorth has started working on the keymap |
| 13:25 | jaron | maybe tab for each subfield--taking you to the content of the subfield and then shift tab to go back through them. |
| 13:25 | kados | yea, that's what we had in mind |
| 13:26 | what about when you get to the last one? | |
| 13:26 | jaron | arrow keys to go up and down through fields? |
| 13:26 | kados | shoudl it go to the next line? |
| 13:26 | *nod* | |
| 13:26 | jaron | last tab takes you to the next line |
| 13:26 | kados | to the field, or indicators? or subfield? |
| 13:27 | I guess it depends also on wheher it's a new record or you're editing an existing one | |
| 13:27 | jaron | last tab takes you to the next field first subfield |
| 13:27 | that definitely matters. I guess I'm thinking editing existing mostly. | |
| 13:27 | not much original cataloging going on these days | |
| 13:27 | kados | new record should make a new field delimiter I suppose |
| 13:27 | *nod* | |
| 13:28 | and what about the 'enter' key? | |
| 13:28 | do you know if there's a convention for that in marc editors? | |
| 13:28 | jaron | that could behave in two ways |
| 13:29 | the way I've seen in the ils I use now it doesn't go to the next field but it keeps hightlight on the current field but disables editing | |
| 13:29 | of the current fields | |
| 13:29 | s/fields/field | |
| 13:30 | I'd think it would go to the next fields | |
| 13:30 | argh s/fields/field/ | |
| 13:30 | kados | right |
| 13:30 | jaron | you'd probably want a ctrl-x type or F3 type thing to create new fields |
| 13:31 | that's how what I have to use now does | |
| 13:31 | kados | yea, that's in the works too ... new field, new subfield, delete field, delete subfield |
| 13:31 | jaron | and it'd be best if there were defaults but they can be configured |
| 13:31 | kados | yea, there's gonna be a config keymap section |
| 13:35 | jaron | in what I use now tab goes from field to indicators to subfields. subfield box is just a plain textbox without any movement through the subfields other than regular editing functions like word by word. and enter and shift-enter go up and down through the subfield boxes. |
| 13:36 | kados | interesting |
| 13:36 | so does it let you create subfield delimitors that have more than one character ($aaaa) | |
| 13:36 | jaron | ctrl-insert and ctrl-delete operate on a whole field--deleting the field, indicators and subfeilds |
| 13:36 | it is completely freeform textbox. | |
| 13:37 | kados | wow, interesting |
| 13:37 | jaron | never tried that though. might send back and error. |
| 13:37 | kados | what system is this? |
| 13:37 | jaron | unicorn |
| 13:37 | kados | and how do you distinguish between subfield delimiter and value? |
| 13:37 | jaron | pretty recent version |
| 13:37 | kados | a space? |
| 13:38 | jaron | |a is never entered. it's assumed that the first text is subfield a |
| 13:38 | there are no spaces |aThe Hobbit | |
| 13:38 | kados | gotcha |
| 13:38 | jaron | makes it difficult to read on some lines |
| 13:38 | kados | shoot, phone ... brb |
| 13:44 | jaron | no prob. btw, I'm not in front of my workstation right now, so this is all from memory :) You should probably catch me one weekday while I'm at work. |
| 13:46 | family's up--gotta go | |
| 19:51 | thd | kados: ping |
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