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| Time | Nick | Message |
|---|---|---|
| 15:16 | owen | foxnorth, are you around? |
| 15:21 | kados | morning owen |
| 15:21 | owen | Hi kados |
| 15:21 | kados | meetings-- |
| 15:22 | owen | Got your message. Sent you some patches to cover the whole </head><body> change. |
| 15:22 | kados | cool |
| 15:22 | owen++ | |
| 15:22 | owen | (Sent you => submitted) |
| 15:22 | kados | excellent |
| 15:22 | that was fast! | |
| 15:23 | owen | I worked on it yesterday afternoon |
| 15:23 | I've been poking around this morning looking and what kind of javascript issues we've got that can be addressed by the reorganization. | |
| 15:23 | kados | right |
| 15:24 | owen | I was hoping to get foxnorth's opinion on a default js lib. |
| 15:24 | kados | he's around, probably just deep in code :-) |
| 15:24 | foxnorth | hey owen-- here i am |
| 15:24 | owen | We'll want to have something loaded by default to give us a baseline of functionality for the staff-global.js |
| 15:24 | Hi foxnorth | |
| 15:25 | foxnorth | you were wondering which javascript toolkit to use as a default? |
| 15:26 | owen | Yeah. I'm thinking of situations like adding a class to a form field so that onload it will get focus. Little interface things that don't require big js lib plugins |
| 15:27 | foxnorth | yeah i mean, jquery sounds perfect for that |
| 15:27 | no need to for big widgets as w/ yui or ext | |
| 15:27 | although keep in mind i really don't know dojo, scriptaculous or prototype, so i'm missing part of the picture | |
| 15:28 | owen | Yeah, I think at some point we just pick and go with it. |
| 15:29 | If we have jquery loaded by default, then it's "hard-coded" into the page header... | |
| 15:29 | Then what if I want to use ext for a calendar widget or tabs or something | |
| 15:29 | Is that going to be a problem because jquery hasn't been properly integrated into ext? Instead they're being loaded on top of each other? | |
| 15:30 | kados | I think there's some way to avoid the global function problem |
| 15:30 | by defining a local variable for the object or something | |
| 15:30 | owen | Part of what we'll have to do in the next stages is choose how we're going to handle common widgets like calendars, tabs, etc. |
| 15:30 | kados | yep |
| 15:31 | owen | I'd like to ditch the current calendar widget because it seems to depend on inline <script> tags |
| 15:31 | We've got several pages that use tabs to show/hide content, and it makes sense to me to use one of the js libs to standardize that | |
| 15:32 | foxnorth | bbias |
| 15:36 | owen | kados: I think there are ways to use namespaces to get around conflicts, but I'm really hazy on the concept |
| 15:37 | Even something as simple as the top-level nav which you mentioned in your email depends on making a js lib decision, if we're going to have our "more" drop-down menu | |
| 15:38 | I'm not sure how to handle graceful degradation for that...maybe link it by default back to intranet-main | |
| 15:38 | kados | well, we should always have page markup that fills the content of any menus |
| 15:39 | ie, not use the strictly js methods of a toolbar or drop-down menu | |
| 15:39 | IMO | |
| 15:41 | owen | Sure. I'm saying that if we've got a 'more' link that triggers a drop-down menu, what's the non-js result of clicking it? You'd need to send the user somewhere where they can get an overview |
| 15:43 | there are lots of places where we'll have to make hard decisions about what to make functional without js and what not to. I can't see making addbiblio work without js | |
| 15:43 | kados | yea, addbiblio's especially tricky |
| 15:43 | but highly deprecated as a core part of Koha IMO ... or at least should be soon | |
| 15:44 | hard choices | |
| 15:44 | I guess we just do our best | |
| 15:51 | owen | kados: with head content now getting added to templates directly, do we still need to set css and js parameters in the script? |
| 16:31 | kados | hmmm |
| 16:31 | well, I dunno | |
| 16:32 | I still think it's useful to distinguish between types of css and js | |
| 16:32 | ie, global, module, page, widget | |
| 16:50 | libtux | hi..if i run sudo apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:50 | then i cant install mysql4.1 on ubuntu.. | |
| 17:25 | jaron | libtux: what version of ubuntu? that might just be a transitional package to mysql 5 |
| 18:17 | libtux | jaron: i have a ubuntu6.06 version but still i cant install mysql-server4.1 |
| 18:18 | owen | "autolocation" defines the users branch based on their IP? |
| 18:22 | kados | there is some IP-based location determination in 3.0 but I haven't played iwth it |
| 18:27 | owen | I may not like the markup that Koha's calendar widget requires, but I sure can't find a js lib replacement that has as many features |
| 18:28 | kados | yea, that's the prob |
| 18:28 | the includes/calendar.inc markup isn't too bad | |
| 18:28 | what about it don't you like, the inline stuff? | |
| 18:32 | hdl | kados : Is liblime working on members pages ? |
| 18:32 | kados | hdl: nope |
| 18:34 | hdl: but it must be re-written before 3.0 can be released, it's very buggy and doesn't conform to our coding standards | |
| 18:35 | hdl | I know. |
| 18:35 | owen | I don't like that you have to embed a <script> block in the main body of the page for each input you want to connect to a calendar widget. |
| 18:35 | hdl | I am loosing my hair trying to debug it. |
| 18:35 | owen | Some other versions I've seen can put all the scripts in <head> and work off an input class or id |
| 18:36 | hdl | I have a first page on member adding I can show. But it doesnot work at all at the moment. |
| 18:37 | http://i20.hdlaurent.paulpoula[…]d&category_type=A | |
| 18:37 | If you want to see. | |
| 18:38 | kados | looks much better |
| 18:38 | hdhttp://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lates_style_guide | |
| 18:38 | hdl: http://wiki.koha.org/doku.php?[…]lates_style_guide | |
| 18:38 | hdl | Is that written coding standards or your internal coding standard. |
| 18:38 | kados | hdl: I started a template guide |
| 18:39 | the Dos and Donts section is where we're going to try to establish conventions for the project | |
| 18:39 | such as: | |
| 18:39 | For block elements, use <div>, not <p>. | |
| 18:40 | hdl | Sure. But these statements are done way after it was first written. |
| 18:40 | And our previous code relied on <p> and not <div> | |
| 18:41 | kados | if it was just p vs div I wouldn't be complaining |
| 18:41 | I believe I sent an email a while ago explaining my problems with the members code | |
| 18:41 | the primary one was that the html code had been bloated 8000% from the previous version | |
| 18:42 | and it is completely unmanagable | |
| 18:42 | hdl | I agree. |
| 18:42 | This is why I try to do it again. | |
| 18:43 | kados | it also has some very unfriendly defaults (like ALL CAPS for last names) |
| 18:43 | (which is still a problem BTW) | |
| 18:43 | hdl:++ | |
| 18:43 | hdl | But belive me, going from this Code is quite a trouble. |
| 18:43 | kados | I can imagine |
| 18:43 | hdl | ALL Caps for French is Default for lastnames. |
| 18:44 | kados | yep, but no where else it seems :-) |
| 18:45 | but librarians won't like it | |
| 18:48 | owen | All caps for last names should be handled by custom CSS and/or js |
| 18:49 | kados | hdl: most libraries in the US ask for a patron entry screen that allows all 'required' info to be filled out in one page |
| 18:49 | hdl: other pages can be used for supplemental information if there is time | |
| 18:49 | hdl: but often the patron must be added very quickly and there is not time to fill out all the data | |
| 20:33 | chris | i thought i fixed the all caps with a system preference |
| 20:34 | maybe it never got committed | |
| 20:38 | kados | morning chris |
| 20:38 | hdl | hi gang |
| 20:38 | kados | chris: should be a few patches waitin fr ya :-) |
| 20:39 | chris | ill go look, yeah i made a systempreference that controlled wether the js in the template converted surnames to caps, i wonder what happened to that |
| 20:40 | kados | for some reason a change I'm 100% sure I committed and patched was lost too |
| 20:41 | i fixed the CGI header that was causing the page to be downloaded | |
| 20:41 | ages ago | |
| 20:41 | chris | oh this one was well before git |
| 20:41 | kados | ahh |
| 20:41 | chris | was i think the first koha project day |
| 20:41 | kados | wow, that does go back a bit |
| 20:42 | chris | ill track it down |
| 20:42 | it wasnt to tricky | |
| 20:42 | kados | cool |
| 20:43 | chris | 3 from owen, 3 from you, going to read them now |
| 20:43 | kados | cool |
| 20:45 | chris | hmm owen has gone, problem with his patch |
| 20:45 | kados | bummer |
| 20:45 | what's the prob? | |
| 20:45 | chris | error: koha-tmpl/intranet-tmpl/prog/en/css/staff-global.css: does not exist in index |
| 20:47 | ill apply the rest and bounce that one back with the error message, it seems it needs a patch to creae that file first | |
| 20:48 | kados | huh |
| 20:48 | that was one from me | |
| 20:48 | maybe apply mine first? | |
| 20:49 | ahh | |
| 20:49 | I know | |
| 20:49 | there were a couple of template patches that I pushed directly | |
| 20:49 | chris: you probably need to pull | |
| 20:49 | chris | ahh ill try that |
| 20:50 | yep that worked | |
| 20:50 | pushing_directly-- :-) | |
| 20:50 | kados | yea, I know |
| 20:50 | chris | its tempting tho eh |
| 20:59 | did you just get a push email? | |
| 20:59 | kados | nope |
| 20:59 | ahh, yes | |
| 21:00 | hdl | kados : problem with one page entry screen as you suggest is that it would mix both Personnal information and Librarian information, which would be in two separate screens on edition.... But I am going to bed now. Sorry. |
| 21:01 | kados | hdl: g'night |
| 01:26 | CGI412 | Hello everyone. |
| 01:27 | I am looking for an application that will allow me to sort my eBook collection. I read a lot, and such, have a lot of ebooks, but sometimes they are hard to locate. Will koha do this? If not do you know of a product that might. That runs on linux, preferable oss? | |
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| 09:21 | chris | just over 1 week to go paul :-) |
| 09:21 | paul | hi chris |
| 09:22 | chris | hi paul |
| 09:22 | paul | only 55% of kiwis think you'll win I hear on the radio... |
| 09:22 | chris | hehe |
| 09:22 | i think it will be nz, south africa or france | |
| 09:23 | anyone of those 3 teams could win i think | |
| 09:23 | australia dont have good forwards | |
| 09:23 | england are horrible this year | |
| 09:24 | argentina are my outside bet .. they sometimes play way better than they should :-) | |
| 09:25 | paul | 1st match : argentina/france. |
| 09:25 | chris | yeah that will be an interesting one |
| 09:25 | paul | everybody says it will be a tough match for is |
| 09:25 | chris | i think you will beat them |
| 09:25 | paul | s/think/hope/ ! |
| 09:25 | chris | because you are more match fit |
| 09:25 | paul | (for me at least) |
| 09:25 | and we are at home... | |
| 09:26 | x0 000 ppl supporting us can make a diff | |
| 09:26 | chris | if they had a few more warm up games ... then it would be closer but yes france at home .. very hard to beat |
| 09:28 | i will be watching that game, its at 7am here | |
| 09:28 | so good time | |
| 09:29 | paul | what time is it for you atm ? |
| 09:29 | almost time to go to bed I think... | |
| 09:29 | chris | 9.28pm |
| 09:29 | paul | will you be back for the chat ? |
| 09:29 | chris | ill try to be |
| 09:30 | but as its at 4am | |
| 09:31 | not too likely unless kahurangi decides to wake up then | |
| 09:31 | hehe | |
| 09:31 | laurel will come round to your house and yell at you if the phone goes at 4am :-) | |
| 09:31 | how is ben rach? | |
| 09:31 | and how was the marae? | |
| 09:32 | rach | was good |
| 09:32 | chris | paul: i might have to read the logs and add my comments in an email |
| 09:32 | rach | Jo did a nice mihi |
| 09:32 | chris | cool |
| 09:32 | paul | chris : i've just thrown a mail about DB management, to prepare the meeting |
| 09:32 | (koha-devel) | |
| 09:32 | chris | cool paul |
| 09:33 | rach | but is always hard to have essentially an 11 hr client meeting |
| 09:33 | chris | *nod* |
| 09:34 | did you end up using that waiata? | |
| 09:34 | rach | yes I think so |
| 09:34 | chris | cool, youtube comes in handy sometimes |
| 09:34 | rach | yeah - jo knew it the best so she lead |
| 09:35 | it wasn't actually on the marae which was good - just their offices, so less formal was nice, but still quite formal welcome | |
| 09:35 | chris | yep |
| 09:35 | rach | and we met the head librarian from puke ariki as well |
| 09:35 | chris | ohh cool |
| 09:36 | rach | poor old walter had some more hours doing training last night and today |
| 09:36 | he sounded beat by the time he got home | |
| 09:36 | chris | i bet |
| 09:36 | rach | but is all looking good for Kete |
| 09:36 | chris | excellent |
| 09:37 | rach | Puke Ariki are thinking it might be better than the wiki they are using |
| 09:38 | Paul - in case you weren't aware, we've been writing an open source digital library/archive system called Kete. And we've just had 3 clients secure a second round of funding which is great | |
| 09:38 | paul | but never got a look at it |
| 09:40 | rach | http://kete.net.nz/ |
| 09:40 | chris | paul: i agree with your email, we should deal with the 2 cases separately |
| 09:41 | http://horowhenua.kete.net.nz/ is good too (for seeing it in action) | |
| 09:41 | paul | can I dl kete somewhere ? see some screenshots ? have some tech information (platform, requirements...) ? |
| 09:42 | rach | today, slightly tricky, next few weeks yes - one of the bits of funding was to get the website etc all up and running, and by the end of the next round of work have a 1.0 release ready |
| 09:43 | there is some stuff up already = http://kete.net.nz/site/all/topics/ | |
| 09:45 | paul | rach : what does "is fully compatible with Koha" mean exactly ? |
| 09:46 | rach | more context? Kete uses Zebra and z39:50 and other standards so I'm picking it will mean thay you can easily do federated searching Of Kete from Koha and vice versa |
| 09:47 | chris | yep |
| 09:47 | paul | OK. but no SSO for instance ? |
| 09:47 | rach | they both run on Debian, but Kete is a ruby on rails application |
| 09:47 | chris | SSO? |
| 09:47 | rach | what's sso |
| 09:47 | paul | Single Sign On |
| 09:47 | 1 login for both apps | |
| 09:48 | chris | hmm you could do |
| 09:48 | they both store their user info in mysql | |
| 09:49 | would take a little tweaking | |
| 09:49 | rach | kete is generally "looser" in who can be a member than Koha - For HLT it doesn't require you to be a library member for example, but yes if you could decide on your policies etc I would think they could be |
| 09:51 | you could do something simple like import all your koha users into Kete - you'd still need more verification before you let a kete member become a koha member I think | |
| 10:00 | chris | yeah that would work rach |
| 10:02 | rach | would be possible to add someone to be a kete member when they become a koha member I think, and maybe just a "work flow" thing to punt people through to Koha to sign up if they come in from Kete |
| 10:02 | chris | yeah shouldnt be too hard |
| 10:04 | rach | good night - happy meeting I really hope I'm *not* awake for it :-) |
| 10:04 | chris | hehe |
| 10:17 | hdl | chris : Does kete and greenstone have anything in common ? |
| 10:18 | chris | well greenstone is more for a traditional digital library |
| 10:18 | where the librarian adds the data, catalogues it etc | |
| 10:18 | kete is closer to say wikipedia | |
| 10:18 | in that its community driven | |
| 10:20 | does that make sense? | |
| 10:21 | hdl | Yes. |
| 10:21 | chris | cool |
| 10:22 | i forget, do you watch rugby too hdl? or just paul? | |
| 10:24 | hdl | I am not a rugby fan. |
| 10:25 | chris | ahh |
| 10:25 | hdl | In fact, I am not a sport fan. I had rather do some sport than watch guys training sports :D |
| 10:25 | chris | :-) |
| 10:26 | hdl | But sometimes, I enjoy watching good sport performances. |
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